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January 6: The Season Finale
Brewha Offline
#51 Posted:
Joined: 01-25-2010
Posts: 12,182
Trump said today on Trump Social that the FBI stole the election.

Guess that lets the Dems off the hook….
DrMaddVibe Offline
#52 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,440
drglnc wrote:
I can stop reading right here... The people voted... PERIOD... it wasn't stolen... it wasn't fraud... Trump... LOST... By a Landslide...



As I imagine you would've. Words. As for how the people voted...

https://brilliantmaps.com/2020-county-election-map/

Hardly a landslide.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2021/02/10/wapo-the-gop-came-within-90000-votes-of-controlling-congress-and-keeping-the-white-house-n2584521

You can choose that Pedo Joe really garnered the most votes of any Presidential candidate...ever. The first Black President? The first woman candidate? No, a man that was forced to quit a Presidential campaign twice in disgrace holds that distinction. What you fail to understand is that in all that was Trump garnered the most votes for an incumbent. That's not a landslide.

When you want to match the mental faculties of both men, I can imagine you'd say Biden is the clear winner despite the facts he cannot complete sentences, forgets where he's supposed to sit on stage and shakes hands with invisible people multiple times. I'll choose to remember Trump in the press room with no prepared statement, off the cuff rapid firing answers and calling out agencies like CNN, MSNBC and a slew of others as "Fake News"...because they were and they still are.

So, please by all means stop.
rfenst Offline
#53 Posted:
Joined: 06-23-2007
Posts: 39,330
Brewha wrote:
Just to give perspective- you read this whole thing line for line, but did not watch the hearings, right?

Isn't that the direct way way to make rational decisions?
Brewha Offline
#54 Posted:
Joined: 01-25-2010
Posts: 12,182
DrMaddVibe wrote:
As I imagine you would've. Words. As for how the people voted...

https://brilliantmaps.com/2020-county-election-map/

Hardly a landslide.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2021/02/10/wapo-the-gop-came-within-90000-votes-of-controlling-congress-and-keeping-the-white-house-n2584521

You can choose that Pedo Joe really garnered the most votes of any Presidential candidate...ever. The first Black President? The first woman candidate? No, a man that was forced to quit a Presidential campaign twice in disgrace holds that distinction. What you fail to understand is that in all that was Trump garnered the most votes for an incumbent. That's not a landslide.

When you want to match the mental faculties of both men, I can imagine you'd say Biden is the clear winner despite the facts he cannot complete sentences, forgets where he's supposed to sit on stage and shakes hands with invisible people multiple times. I'll choose to remember Trump in the press room with no prepared statement, off the cuff rapid firing answers and calling out agencies like CNN, MSNBC and a slew of others as "Fake News"...because they were and they still are.

So, please by all means stop.


Yeah, but you are walking around that fact that Trump lost.
Still won’t admit it, and continues to claim that is was stolen - with ZERO evidence.
And talked people into overrunning the capital with intent of stopping the election.

Btw if you think he is more grounded than Joe - go read Truth Social.
The guy is cray cray.
RayR Online
#55 Posted:
Joined: 07-20-2020
Posts: 8,892
The rationale of a Show Trial is that the victim is first guilty of a predetermined manufactured crime against the state and no defense will be considered or have any consequence to the guilty verdict.
ZRX1200 Offline
#56 Posted:
Joined: 07-08-2007
Posts: 60,613
I can’t wait for a Republican President to gut the FBI and enact a Truth Ministry to make sure any lies are stamped out…..

#tyannyisokifitistherightcolor
RayR Online
#57 Posted:
Joined: 07-20-2020
Posts: 8,892
The TRUTH that Brewha can't face no matter his single-minded preoccupation is AMERIKA Trump or no Trump has lost big time with that crook and imbecile Biden and his crime family...and it ain't over yet.
8trackdisco Offline
#58 Posted:
Joined: 11-06-2004
Posts: 60,078
DrMaddVibe wrote:
A Case Of Hope Over Experience: The J6 Referral Falls Short Of A Credible Criminal Case



This week the January 6th Committee voted to make criminal referrals to the Justice Department, including the proposed indictment of former President Donald Trump. 

However, the Committee’s splashy finale lacked any substantial new evidence to make a compelling criminal case against former President Donald Trump. The Committee repackaged largely the same evidence that it has previously put forward over the past year.

That is not enough.

Indeed, the reliance on a new videotape of former Trump aide Hope Hicks seems a case of putting “hope over experience” in the criminal Justice system.

While still based largely on the failure to act, Rep. Adam Schiff (D., Cal.) insisted that “if that’s not criminal, nothing is.” The opposite may be true from a First Amendment perspective. If the failure to act is criminal, it is hard to see what would not criminal under this standard.

After members like Schiff, again, promised new evidence to support criminal charges, the Committee continued its pattern of rehashing previously known evidence with network-quality videotapes.

The failure of the Committee to offer any new and direct evidence of criminal conduct was obvious at the outset, Vice Chair Liz Cheney began her remarks by again detailing what Trump failed to do. It was a repeat of the prior hearings and for some likely left the impression of actors who are refusing to leave the stage long after the audience departed.

The one new piece of evidence was largely duplicative. It shows former aide Hope Hicks saying that she also called upon Trump to make a public statement calling for peace and telling him that there is no evidence of systemic fraud. Nevertheless, the videotape has been heralded by figures like former acting Solicitor General Neil Katyal on MSNBC as “evidence I’ve never seen before from Hope Hicks.” Katyal bizarrely claims “I think that tells you all you need to know about premeditation. Call it criminal intent. The House committees evidence here is very strong.”

The fact is that the J6 Committee failed to change many minds largely because of what was on display in the final public meeting. It was the same highly scripted, one-sided account repeated mantra-like for months. There is justifiable anger over these accounts but this hearing was billed as presenting the case for criminal charged. It missed that mark by a considerable measure.

Of course, to raise obvious legal barriers to prosecution today is to invite an Internet flash mob accusing you for being an insurrectionist or fellow traveler. Major media from the Washington Post to National Public Radio routinely refer to the riot as an insurrection despite a deep disagreement over the characterization of the criminal conduct. The media unrelentingly echoes this one view despite polls showing most citizens view that day as a reprehensible “riot” motivated by loyalty to Trump.

The media also downplayed the glaring failure of the J6 Committee to produce what it described as bombshell evidence of a criminal conspiracy by Trump. Members like Rep. Adam Schiff (D., Ca.) repeatedly promised that the next hearing would reveal such direct evidence only to have the same rehashing of the prior claims for prosecution.

The Committee was playing to the same audience and knew that they did not have to produce such evidence to make their case. Experts like Harvard law professor Laurence Tribe have previously declared Trump’s felonies were shown “without any doubt, beyond a reasonable doubt, beyond any doubt, and the crimes are obvious.” That included what Tribe suggested was a clear case of attempted murder of former Vice President Pence.

Likewise, experts like legal analyst and Michigan Law Professor Barbara McQuade told MSNBC viewers that Trump could be charged with manslaughter for riot.

The problem is that crimes actually require satisfaction of underlying elements and cannot be proven by soundbite or desire alone.

Instead, much of the evidence cited what an official failed to do. Yet the last hearing seemed to focus on a number of things that did not occur, from a draft tweet that was not sent to an executive order that was never signed. There were discussions of appointing Trump attorney Sidney Powell as a special counsel, seizing voting machines or replacing the Justice Department’s leadership. It is a chilling list but it is also notable in that no final action was taken on such proposals.

That is a far cry from evidence showing mens rea — “guilty mind.” However, crimes generally require both guilty minds and guilty acts. Building a criminal case on the failure to act to stop the violence is a notoriously difficult case to make.

The most damning evidence concerns what Trump failed to do in those 187 minutes.

However, while repeatedly omitted by the Committee, Trump told his supporters to go to the Capitol “peacefully” to support Republicans challenging the election. At 1:11 p.m., Trump concluded his speech. Around 2:10 p.m., people surged up the Capitol steps. At 4:17 p.m., Trump made his statement to stop — roughly an hour and a half later.

That speech appears protected by the First Amendment and existing Supreme Court precedent. In Brandenburg v. Ohio, the Supreme Court ruled in 1969 that even calling for violence is protected under the First Amendment unless there is a threat of “imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action.” The Trump speech, in my view, falls well below that standard for criminalization.

Repetition of same earlier points does little to strengthen the case for prosecution. The Committee has presented a powerful record of Trump’s failures on that day, including his reckless rhetoric and lack of response. Trump may be guilty of all of these failings, but that does not mean that he is a criminal actor. The reason that Mar-a-Lago presents a greater threat to Trump is that it is based on his actions, not inaction, in retaining classified material.

It is a disappointing end for the J6 Committee, which could have been so much more than it was. Both sides have pointed fingers at each other for the failure to have a single member nominated by the Republican party. However, even after that breakdown, the Committee could have strived to create greater balance by discussing alternative interpretations of key actions or statements. It could have allowed for greater public examination of witnesses rather than the tightly scripted accounts used in the hearings. It could have explored other issues in public hearing, including the failure of the Congress to adequately prepare for the riot despite prior warnings.

While some Democrats have asserted an almost proprietary claim to the January 6th riot, this was a desecration of our constitutional process that harmed us all. Indeed some of us were critical of Trump’s speech as he was giving it. At a minimum, that day was a failure of leadership — but that does not mean it was a violation of the criminal code.

While the members assured each other that history would honor their efforts, the judgment is likely to be more mixed. It is not a criticism not of what they became as much as what they could have become in investigating the tragedy of January 6th.

Despite the broad condemnation of Trump for his speech and conduct on that day, there is a difference between what is viewed as reprehensible and what is chargeable as criminal conduct.


https://www.zerohedge.com/political/case-hope-over-experience-j6-referral-falls-short-credible-criminal-case


https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/zero-hedge

CONSPIRACY-PSEUDOSCIENCE
Sources in the Conspiracy-Pseudoscience category may publish unverifiable information that is not always supported by evidence. These sources may be untrustworthy for credible/verifiable information; therefore, fact-checking and further investigation is recommended on a per article basis when obtaining information from these sources. See all Conspiracy-Pseudoscience sources.

Overall, we rate ZeroHedge an extreme right-biased conspiracy website based on the promotion of false/misleading/debunked information that routinely denigrates the left.

Detailed Report
Bias Rating: RIGHT CONSPIRACY/PSEUDOSCIENCE
Factual Reporting: LOW
Country: Bulgaria
Press Freedom Rating: LIMITED FREEDOM
Media Type: Website
Traffic/Popularity: High Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: LOW CREDIBILITY

History
Launched in 2009, ZeroHedge or Zero Hedge is a finance blog founded by Colin Lokey, also known as “Tyler Durden,” Daniel Ivandjiiski, and Tim Backshall. According to a Bloomberg Interview, the ZeroHedge founders/authors were anonymous until 2016. A Professional Service Subscription is required to read the rest of Bloomberg’s interview; however, a New Yorker article also covered their history.

ZeroHedge wrote a rebuttal article regarding the Bloomberg interview that can be found here. A quote reads: “Zero Hedge hired Colin after he approached us over a year ago begging for a job after being fired with cause from Seeking Alpha, following a fight with a co-worker.”

On 02/15/2022, U.S. intelligence officials accused Zero Hedge of amplifying Kremlin propaganda targeting Ukrainians and taking direction from Russian spies. Zero Hedge denies the claim.

Read our profile on Bulgaria’s government and media.

Funded by / Ownership
The website is registered in Bulgaria under the name Georgi Georgiev, a business partner of Krassimir Ivandjiiski.

According to Rationalwiki, the only writer “conclusively” identified is “Dan Ivandjiiski, who conducts public interviews on behalf of Zero Hedge.” The blog generates revenue from online advertising.

Analysis / Bias
A quote from the above New Yorker article summarizes the blog’s political stance, which Lokey told Bloomberg is: “Russia=good. Obama=idiot. Bashar al-Assad=benevolent leader. John Kerry= dunce. Vladimir Putin=greatest leader in the history of statecraft.”

ZeroHedge’s content has been classified as “alt-right” and has been criticized for presenting conspiracy theories.

In review, ZeroHedge publishes pro-right wing/Trump articles such as Pat Buchanan: “Trump Calls Off Cold War II.” As well as fake news stories regarding liberals: Anti-Trump Protesters Bused Into Austin, Chicago.

Editorial content is written under the pseudonym Tyler Durden and usually focuses on conspiracies related to economic collapse. Zero Hedge sources to factually mixed think tanks such as The Mises Institute, which promotes Austrian (Anarcho-Capitalism) economics. Finally, during the Coronavirus outbreak of 2020, they have frequently promoted false and misleading information, as evidenced by failed fact checks below.

Failed Fact Checks
Says China “stole Coronavirus from Canada and weaponized it into a Bioweapon.” – False
Craigslist ad proof counterprotesters at a white nationalist rally “paid to make chaos”? – False
It’s now against the law in California to shower and do laundry on the same day. – Mostly False
A “newly uncovered” photograph reveals Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was crying over an empty parking lot, not detained migrant children, at a protest in Texas. – False
“The Ukrainian government just indicted the Burisma gas company & named Hunter Biden for accepting millions of dollars from a slush fund.” – False
During the last hundred years the temperature increased about 0.1°C because of carbon dioxide. The human contribution was 0.01°C. – Incorrect
New Study Confirms EVs Considerably Worse For Climate Than Diesel Cars – Inaccurate
This coronavirus genome contained sequences of another virus […] the HIV virus (AIDS virus) – Inaccurate
Coronavirus contains ‘HIV insertions’ – Inaccurate
Fabricated genetic sequences used to support the hypothesis the virus arose naturally – False
”Pfizer launches final study for COVID drug that’s suspiciously similar to ‘horse paste’” ivermectin. – False
A preprint of an ivermectin study in the Brazilian city of Itajaí found that prophylactic ivermectin reduced COVID-19 hospitalization and mortality by half. – Unsupported
Overall, we rate ZeroHedge an extreme right-biased conspiracy website based on the promotion of false/misleading/debunked information that routinely denigrates the left. (8/18/2016) Updated (M. Huitsing 09/28/2022)

Pick a source with less of a bias and I'll read it.
Brewha Offline
#59 Posted:
Joined: 01-25-2010
Posts: 12,182
ZRX1200 wrote:
I can’t wait for a Republican President to gut the FBI and enact a Truth Ministry to make sure any lies are stamped out…..

#tyannyisokifitistherightcolor

Maybe they can have another war on drugs, cause the blacks and emigrates are kinda upidy.
Sunoverbeach Offline
#60 Posted:
Joined: 08-11-2017
Posts: 14,668
Internet's gonna need a new toner cartridge after some of these posts
drglnc Offline
#61 Posted:
Joined: 04-01-2019
Posts: 715
DrMaddVibe wrote:
As I imagine you would've. Words. As for how the people voted...

https://brilliantmaps.com/2020-county-election-map/

Hardly a landslide.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2021/02/10/wapo-the-gop-came-within-90000-votes-of-controlling-congress-and-keeping-the-white-house-n2584521

You can choose that Pedo Joe really garnered the most votes of any Presidential candidate...ever. The first Black President? The first woman candidate? No, a man that was forced to quit a Presidential campaign twice in disgrace holds that distinction. What you fail to understand is that in all that was Trump garnered the most votes for an incumbent. That's not a landslide.

When you want to match the mental faculties of both men, I can imagine you'd say Biden is the clear winner despite the facts he cannot complete sentences, forgets where he's supposed to sit on stage and shakes hands with invisible people multiple times. I'll choose to remember Trump in the press room with no prepared statement, off the cuff rapid firing answers and calling out agencies like CNN, MSNBC and a slew of others as "Fake News"...because they were and they still are.

So, please by all means stop.



In 2016 Trump Won with 304 EC votes and 46.1% of the popular vote compared to Clintons 227 and 48.2% so Trump lost the PV by 2.85 million votes and won the EC by 77

Trump Called it a Landslide Victory

In 2020 Biden Won with 306 EC votes and 51.3% of the popular vote compared to Trumps 232 and 46.8% so Biden won the PV by 7 Million votes AND won the EC by 74

Call him your little clever names and whatever you want... He still WON... By a LANDSLIDE according to trump math...
ZRX1200 Offline
#62 Posted:
Joined: 07-08-2007
Posts: 60,613
Immigrants?

To quote the creepiest dude from Scranton “C’mon man!”
8trackdisco Offline
#63 Posted:
Joined: 11-06-2004
Posts: 60,078
Sunoverbeach wrote:
Internet's gonna need a new toner cartridge after some of these posts


My initial post had just the rating of the Bulgarian news outlet. Then decided a short further description would provide contexts. Then figured - Fuq it. It's not like the Mad Doctor uses an economy of words when quoting this website, so...
RayR Online
#64 Posted:
Joined: 07-20-2020
Posts: 8,892
8trackdisco wrote:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/zero-hedge

CONSPIRACY-PSEUDOSCIENCE
Sources in the Conspiracy-Pseudoscience category may publish unverifiable information that is not always supported by evidence. These sources may be untrustworthy for credible/verifiable information; therefore, fact-checking and further investigation is recommended on a per article basis when obtaining information from these sources. See all Conspiracy-Pseudoscience sources.

Overall, we rate ZeroHedge an extreme right-biased conspiracy website based on the promotion of false/misleading/debunked information that routinely denigrates the left.

Detailed Report
Bias Rating: RIGHT CONSPIRACY/PSEUDOSCIENCE
Factual Reporting: LOW
Country: Bulgaria
Press Freedom Rating: LIMITED FREEDOM
Media Type: Website
Traffic/Popularity: High Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: LOW CREDIBILITY

History
Launched in 2009, ZeroHedge or Zero Hedge is a finance blog founded by Colin Lokey, also known as “Tyler Durden,” Daniel Ivandjiiski, and Tim Backshall. According to a Bloomberg Interview, the ZeroHedge founders/authors were anonymous until 2016. A Professional Service Subscription is required to read the rest of Bloomberg’s interview; however, a New Yorker article also covered their history.

ZeroHedge wrote a rebuttal article regarding the Bloomberg interview that can be found here. A quote reads: “Zero Hedge hired Colin after he approached us over a year ago begging for a job after being fired with cause from Seeking Alpha, following a fight with a co-worker.”

On 02/15/2022, U.S. intelligence officials accused Zero Hedge of amplifying Kremlin propaganda targeting Ukrainians and taking direction from Russian spies. Zero Hedge denies the claim.

Read our profile on Bulgaria’s government and media.

Funded by / Ownership
The website is registered in Bulgaria under the name Georgi Georgiev, a business partner of Krassimir Ivandjiiski.

According to Rationalwiki, the only writer “conclusively” identified is “Dan Ivandjiiski, who conducts public interviews on behalf of Zero Hedge.” The blog generates revenue from online advertising.

Analysis / Bias
A quote from the above New Yorker article summarizes the blog’s political stance, which Lokey told Bloomberg is: “Russia=good. Obama=idiot. Bashar al-Assad=benevolent leader. John Kerry= dunce. Vladimir Putin=greatest leader in the history of statecraft.”

ZeroHedge’s content has been classified as “alt-right” and has been criticized for presenting conspiracy theories.

In review, ZeroHedge publishes pro-right wing/Trump articles such as Pat Buchanan: “Trump Calls Off Cold War II.” As well as fake news stories regarding liberals: Anti-Trump Protesters Bused Into Austin, Chicago.

Editorial content is written under the pseudonym Tyler Durden and usually focuses on conspiracies related to economic collapse. Zero Hedge sources to factually mixed think tanks such as The Mises Institute, which promotes Austrian (Anarcho-Capitalism) economics. Finally, during the Coronavirus outbreak of 2020, they have frequently promoted false and misleading information, as evidenced by failed fact checks below.

Failed Fact Checks
Says China “stole Coronavirus from Canada and weaponized it into a Bioweapon.” – False
Craigslist ad proof counterprotesters at a white nationalist rally “paid to make chaos”? – False
It’s now against the law in California to shower and do laundry on the same day. – Mostly False
A “newly uncovered” photograph reveals Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was crying over an empty parking lot, not detained migrant children, at a protest in Texas. – False
“The Ukrainian government just indicted the Burisma gas company & named Hunter Biden for accepting millions of dollars from a slush fund.” – False
During the last hundred years the temperature increased about 0.1°C because of carbon dioxide. The human contribution was 0.01°C. – Incorrect
New Study Confirms EVs Considerably Worse For Climate Than Diesel Cars – Inaccurate
This coronavirus genome contained sequences of another virus […] the HIV virus (AIDS virus) – Inaccurate
Coronavirus contains ‘HIV insertions’ – Inaccurate
Fabricated genetic sequences used to support the hypothesis the virus arose naturally – False
”Pfizer launches final study for COVID drug that’s suspiciously similar to ‘horse paste’” ivermectin. – False
A preprint of an ivermectin study in the Brazilian city of Itajaí found that prophylactic ivermectin reduced COVID-19 hospitalization and mortality by half. – Unsupported
Overall, we rate ZeroHedge an extreme right-biased conspiracy website based on the promotion of false/misleading/debunked information that routinely denigrates the left. (8/18/2016) Updated (M. Huitsing 09/28/2022)

Pick a source with less of a bias and I'll read it.


The most disreputable sources of so-called unbiased information are those that claim they are unbiased fact-checkers.
Anybody that says they are unbiased are liars because there is no such thing.
This thing called mediabiasfactcheck.com is unmistakably LEFTY BIASED and their assertions are that anybody that is not LEFTY minded (which they don't like) needs to be labeled “alt-right” (a fuzzy undefinable term), an "extreme right-biased" "conspiracy theorist" and should be discredited and taken down first and foremost by character assassination and charges of spreading misinformation.

Of course, ZEROHEDGE is clearly RIGHTY BIASED toward free speech, conservative and libertarian politics, and free market economics. mediabiasfactcheck don't like that because they make the LEFTY BIAS look real bad.

8trackdisco Offline
#65 Posted:
Joined: 11-06-2004
Posts: 60,078
RayR wrote:
The most disreputable sources of so-called unbiased information are those that claim they are unbiased fact-checkers.
Anybody that says they are unbiased are liars because there is no such thing.
This thing called mediabiasfactcheck.com is unmistakably LEFTY BIASED and their assertions are that anybody that is not LEFTY minded (which they don't like) needs to be labeled “alt-right” (a fuzzy undefinable term), an "extreme right-biased" "conspiracy theorist" and should be discredited and taken down first and foremost by character assassination and charges of spreading misinformation.

Of course, ZEROHEDGE is clearly RIGHTY BIASED toward free speech, conservative and libertarian politics, and free market economics. mediabiasfactcheck don't like that because they make the LEFTY BIAS look real bad.


When it comes to calling something down the middle, you aren't the first source I seek out.

Btw, if you spend more than a minute on the sight, you can sort by the type of bias (more or less) that you prefer.

Here is a site marked as in the middle, Mostly Factual.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/world-news

World News
World News - Least Biased - Mostly Credible - Reliable - Low BiasFactual Reporting: Mostly Factual - Mostly Credible and Reliable
LEAST BIASED
These sources have minimal bias and use very few loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using an appeal to emotion or stereotypes). The reporting is factual and usually sourced. These are the most credible media sources. See all Least Biased sources.

Overall, we rate World News (WN) Least Biased based on balanced source selection. We also rate them Mostly Factual rather than High due to a lack of transparency with ownership and use of some sources that have failed fact checks.
Detailed Report
Bias Rating: LEAST BIASED
Factual Reporting: MOSTLY FACTUAL
Country: USA
Press Freedom Rating: MOSTLY FREE
Media Type: Website
Traffic/Popularity: Medium Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: HIGH CREDIBILITY

History
Founded in 1998, World News (WN) is free and offers a broad range of media content from various sources. They claim to be a “global leader in online news, WN Network presents news from over 2,000 reputable sources including mainstream providers BBC, CNN, Reuters, Washington Post, The New York Times, etc to more regional and localized sources.” They further claim, “WN catalogs more than 200,000 articles each day, in over 80 languages. Included are more than 1.5 million biographies and information on almost a million locations.”

Read our profile on the United States government and media.

Funded by / Ownership
World News (WN) does not openly disclose ownership and therefore is downgraded in credibility.

Analysis / Bias
In review, WN does not produce original news content but rather links to curated content such as this Israel’s Netanyahu, unbeaten in elections, is going on trial. This story comes from the Associated Press, and most other stories are derived from credible sources that range from left to right. In general, this is a balanced site based on source selection.

Failed Fact Checks
None in the Last 5 years; however, some of the sources they aggregate have failed fact checks.
Overall, we rate World News (WN) Least Biased based on balanced source selection. We also rate them Mostly Factual rather than High due to a lack of transparency with ownership and use of some sources that have failed fact checks. (D. Van Zandt 7/10/2016) Updated (10/17/2022)

Source: https://wn.com/

I do agree all people have some inherit bias in them.

Thank you for sharing your opinion.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#66 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,440
8trackdisco wrote:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/zero-hedge

Pick a source with less of a bias and I'll read it.



Pick a source, any source...just not the one you picked eh? Sometimes Colonel Jessep was right...sometimes he was wrong. Right for yelling out "You can't handle the truth!" and wrong for ordering the Code Red that killed that Private. Unlike that movie, nobody is being killed. Maybe...maybe some brain cells (lol!). Maybe an audible "Ugh!" ( I heard that!) and I'm quite certain with some a "Not him again". Meh. I remember TW being opposed to Zerohedge as well. Tried to call it a website of lies too. Went tit for tat with him on this too as well as on Covid19. He was hung up on the Tyler Durden angle which was a surname multiple people write articles under on the site. He tried to make me a one horse rider. Not my fault they're a virtual clearinghouse of information. Where else on the web do you find this kind of format...Drudge Report? When he couldn't find the lies or untruths...well....where is he now? Hiding. He was the liar. He was making up lies to spread here. He wasn't alone. I favor Zerohedge because it does slant to my mind. It tickles my fancy. I LOVE the smarmy wit they write with. I especially enjoy the comment sections. Oh, the "gold" hidden in there with the zingers flying back and forth the way this site used to. Zerohedge popped up on my radar due to their insight and knowledge of the Financial sector. That matters the most to me. What's the old saying, "Follow the money". I do. What I found was that they tie in other news worthy articles that affect the ebb and flow of commerce and yes some clickbait for subscribers. What site doesn't? You can read the articles I post or don't. That's up to you. What you should do is read and pick them apart. Take great delight shredding them and showing that. Where are the inconsistencies with them? You posted only a few and a couple that I did share here. Ivermectin, I still believe the word is out on that as nations that were ravaged by Covid19 like India and Pakistan adopted the drug and actually held weekend "parties" where they would take the medicine. In one of the most populous nations they eradicated it to the point where it wasn't news. Even here it received very little. It was relegated to horse dewormer and laughed upon, when it has won a Nobel Prize for it's effectiveness and cheap delivery to this day. Pfizer made as much as 65 billion dollars in 2 years from their shot.

One of the things that made me really like Trump was his calling out "Fake News" and pursuing them doggedly for a game they've been actively playing since WWII. The media became drunk at their own vine. They were high on their own supply and over time...believed what they peddled. The New York Times has a seat at that large table. Choosing not to report on the genocide of the Jews, Gypsies and "Undesirables" while glamorizing the Soviet Union at the same time. A world war, people dying and they were paid not to cover the real atrocities committed. George Soros, (a real live James Bond villain) has manipulated currencies throughout the world to create instabilities and line his pockets. This man with his Open Society Foundation has multiple "fact checkers" doing his bidding through social media platforms around the globe. He learned as a Nazi conscript that the winner gets to write the History. Doesn't make it true though. While he lined his pockets for turning in Jews they were herded off to concentration camps to an almost certain death. The New York Times had an obligation to tell the world about it and buried their head in the sand just like they did with the "Russia, Russia, Russia" and the two Trump impeachments. The NYT won Pulitzer Prizes for their "journalism" which was proven to be a mountain of lies. They pushed narratives. Other outlets ran with them like a pack of rabid dogs. We all know what happened. We all know they lied. We all know nothing happened to them because of it. Yet, they still stand to spread the "news". I'll use them as a contrarian point sometimes...laughing about it to myself when I do.

There are no unbiased sites. There never were. There never will be. Running around trying to find this unicorn, this windmill, this pipe dream one will be severely let down. Anyone wanting to chose that hill to die on is a fool chasing lies. Finding the outright lies? Well, you can spot them a mile away! Usually hidden with "unsubstantial witnesses", "facts still coming in", "unnamed sources" and a slew of other clouds of smoke. They will run on each other and use each other to back up a narrative they want to tell for effectiveness. Most readers or viewers...will never bother. They consume their product and put in their grey matter to tell at the water cooler. They nod in agreement. "It has to be fact! All the stations are saying the same thing!" they say. Alas, there are people that still are doing what they were taught while becoming journalists in school and along the way. Following leads where they may, reporting back and getting the message out. It doesn't jive with the scripts they've been handed. The truth is inconvenient and upturns the apple carts of Knowledge. Applesauce is made because of it. Outlets will smear them with it and try to push them back down into the blackhole of irrelevance because they aren't decent "choirboys".

Been here for decades, as you have too. You should know me by now. I'm not perfect. I know that. I might post a story like the Ivermectin one and get called a liar for it. Know, that I'm not just cherry picking articles and that I have researched them myself. The articles posted back up my point of view or an opposing point of view. I try really hard to weed the lies out. I realize what 98.2% of the media does and am diametrically against that. I know people don't like to wake up and rub their eyes to find out that they'd been lied to and the "emperor" isn't wearing any "clothes". Ever see them admit it? Ever see the contractions printed on Page One? Ever see awards stripped away and people fired for lying? Ever see agencies go tits up because they went all in on lies? There's been a few. Look what they did to the mighty Associated Press. They told us that it was too expensive to put reporters all over the globe with multiple sources. We had to believe the "company" and they needed to maintain profitability so you get one. One. We're living in a world where one doesn't cut it. Look around. It almost seems like the foot is on the gas pedal, the clock is being ran at double speed to make up or push their agenda. I really don't believe its just me seeing and feeling that either.

Read the posts, don't read the posts...It doesn't matter to me. I'm not going to stop. Neither is Tyler Durden. The imaginary consumer of everything everyone is buying. Its not going to stop "them" from selling either.
8trackdisco Offline
#67 Posted:
Joined: 11-06-2004
Posts: 60,078
DrMaddVibe wrote:
Pick a source, any source...just not the one you picked eh? Sometimes Colonel Jessep was right...sometimes he was wrong. Right for yelling out "You can't handle the truth!" and wrong for ordering the Code Red that killed that Private. Unlike that movie, nobody is being killed. Maybe...maybe some brain cells (lol!). Maybe an audible "Ugh!" ( I heard that!) and I'm quite certain with some a "Not him again". Meh. I remember TW being opposed to Zerohedge as well. Tried to call it a website of lies too. Went tit for tat with him on this too as well as on Covid19. He was hung up on the Tyler Durden angle which was a surname multiple people write articles under on the site. He tried to make me a one horse rider. Not my fault they're a virtual clearinghouse of information. Where else on the web do you find this kind of format...Drudge Report? When he couldn't find the lies or untruths...well....where is he now? Hiding. He was the liar. He was making up lies to spread here. He wasn't alone. I favor Zerohedge because it does slant to my mind. It tickles my fancy. I LOVE the smarmy wit they write with. I especially enjoy the comment sections. Oh, the "gold" hidden in there with the zingers flying back and forth the way this site used to. Zerohedge popped up on my radar due to their insight and knowledge of the Financial sector. That matters the most to me. What's the old saying, "Follow the money". I do. What I found was that they tie in other news worthy articles that affect the ebb and flow of commerce and yes some clickbait for subscribers. What site doesn't? You can read the articles I post or don't. That's up to you. What you should do is read and pick them apart. Take great delight shredding them and showing that. Where are the inconsistencies with them? You posted only a few and a couple that I did share here. Ivermectin, I still believe the word is out on that as nations that were ravaged by Covid19 like India and Pakistan adopted the drug and actually held weekend "parties" where they would take the medicine. In one of the most populous nations they eradicated it to the point where it wasn't news. Even here it received very little. It was relegated to horse dewormer and laughed upon, when it has won a Nobel Prize for it's effectiveness and cheap delivery to this day. Pfizer made as much as 65 billion dollars in 2 years from their shot.

One of the things that made me really like Trump was his calling out "Fake News" and pursuing them doggedly for a game they've been actively playing since WWII. The media became drunk at their own vine. They were high on their own supply and over time...believed what they peddled. The New York Times has a seat at that large table. Choosing not to report on the genocide of the Jews, Gypsies and "Undesirables" while glamorizing the Soviet Union at the same time. A world war, people dying and they were paid not to cover the real atrocities committed. George Soros, (a real live James Bond villain) has manipulated currencies throughout the world to create instabilities and line his pockets. This man with his Open Society Foundation has multiple "fact checkers" doing his bidding through social media platforms around the globe. He learned as a Nazi conscript that the winner gets to write the History. Doesn't make it true though. While he lined his pockets for turning in Jews they were herded off to concentration camps to an almost certain death. The New York Times had an obligation to tell the world about it and buried their head in the sand just like they did with the "Russia, Russia, Russia" and the two Trump impeachments. The NYT won Pulitzer Prizes for their "journalism" which was proven to be a mountain of lies. They pushed narratives. Other outlets ran with them like a pack of rabid dogs. We all know what happened. We all know they lied. We all know nothing happened to them because of it. Yet, they still stand to spread the "news". I'll use them as a contrarian point sometimes...laughing about it to myself when I do.

There are no unbiased sites. There never were. There never will be. Running around trying to find this unicorn, this windmill, this pipe dream one will be severely let down. Anyone wanting to chose that hill to die on is a fool chasing lies. Finding the outright lies? Well, you can spot them a mile away! Usually hidden with "unsubstantial witnesses", "facts still coming in", "unnamed sources" and a slew of other clouds of smoke. They will run on each other and use each other to back up a narrative they want to tell for effectiveness. Most readers or viewers...will never bother. They consume their product and put in their grey matter to tell at the water cooler. They nod in agreement. "It has to be fact! All the stations are saying the same thing!" they say. Alas, there are people that still are doing what they were taught while becoming journalists in school and along the way. Following leads where they may, reporting back and getting the message out. It doesn't jive with the scripts they've been handed. The truth is inconvenient and upturns the apple carts of Knowledge. Applesauce is made because of it. Outlets will smear them with it and try to push them back down into the blackhole of irrelevance because they aren't decent "choirboys".

Been here for decades, as you have too. You should know me by now. I'm not perfect. I know that. I might post a story like the Ivermectin one and get called a liar for it. Know, that I'm not just cherry picking articles and that I have researched them myself. The articles posted back up my point of view or an opposing point of view. I try really hard to weed the lies out. I realize what 98.2% of the media does and am diametrically against that. I know people don't like to wake up and rub their eyes to find out that they'd been lied to and the "emperor" isn't wearing any "clothes". Ever see them admit it? Ever see the contractions printed on Page One? Ever see awards stripped away and people fired for lying? Ever see agencies go tits up because they went all in on lies? There's been a few. Look what they did to the mighty Associated Press. They told us that it was too expensive to put reporters all over the globe with multiple sources. We had to believe the "company" and they needed to maintain profitability so you get one. One. We're living in a world where one doesn't cut it. Look around. It almost seems like the foot is on the gas pedal, the clock is being ran at double speed to make up or push their agenda. I really don't believe its just me seeing and feeling that either.

Read the posts, don't read the posts...It doesn't matter to me. I'm not going to stop. Neither is Tyler Durden. The imaginary consumer of everything everyone is buying. Its not going to stop "them" from selling either.


DMV,
Appreciate you taking the time to explain why you like this source, how you don't look at the site as scripture, and it scratches a specific itch. The impression I have been under is you fully believed in (or at least 98.2%) of what you were posting. Now I understand this is directionally what you believe and where your values are. Like you said, we've both been here for decades (ouch), and we know we are both right of center on most things. My personal mission is to search out Least Biased sites and sources. If I'm searching those out, reading and understanding what they are saying, it challenges my perspectives. I'd like to think we are always learning, calibrating and growing, at the same point in our lives where we are dying faster.

I'll respond to some of your above later on in the day/week.

Peace be with you.


DrMaddVibe Offline
#68 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,440
And to you and yours this blessed holiday season.

I'm looking forward to donning THE "suit" again this year...quite possibly the last year as the kids...they grow up so fast and are in a big hurry to hear the stories of other little rotten kids with rotten parents that can't teach that special little something to make the season that much more cheerful and enjoyable.

HOHOHO!!! Merry Chirstmas (Happy Hanukkah where applicable!) and here's to a happier New Year.

One can hope.
8trackdisco Offline
#69 Posted:
Joined: 11-06-2004
Posts: 60,078
DMV,

Here is from above where my perspective is different from yours- doubt is is debate worthy.

I remember TW being opposed to Zerohedge as well. Tried to call it a website of lies too. Went tit for tat with him on this too as well as on Covid19. He was hung up on the Tyler Durden angle which was a surname multiple people write articles under on the site. He tried to make me a one horse rider. Not my fault they're a virtual clearinghouse of information. Where else on the web do you find this kind of format...Drudge Report? When he couldn't find the lies or untruths...well....where is he now? Hiding. He was the liar. He was making up lies to spread here. He wasn't alone.

Perhaps (and I don't know) Tim thought, like I did, thought you were All In with this aggregator.

Hiding.
He was a liar.
Making up lies to spread here.


Am not challenging you to provide any proof. I've only seriously cracked heads with him twice. Once on some Cigarbid Fantasy Football bs that I don't even remotely remember the contents of, and my hang up on his consuming a Lime Water prior to paying for it.

The guy had or still has an unenviable difficult job. Even Jesus had a boss. The guy's heart is in the right place. Made mistakes, got stuff wrong- yeah. Probably. He's an azzhat trying to do the best he can with what he had to work with.
There is a difference between Hiding and just Leaving. He left.

It was more fun when he was here, but he was worn down, knew he wasn't appreciated by many and became the Covid lightning rod of hate. when the Misery of posting here outweighs the Joy, I'd leave too.

Don't really have a point beyond that. But, I did want to address that part at least in our exchange.
DrafterX Offline
#70 Posted:
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,552
I thought he out was looking for CROS.... Think
8trackdisco Offline
#71 Posted:
Joined: 11-06-2004
Posts: 60,078
DrafterX wrote:
I thought he out was looking for CROS.... Think


Think CROS posts here more now, so.... Who's looking for whom?
8trackdisco Offline
#72 Posted:
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Posts: 60,078
Still have some roid energy, so I'll address this one as well- from your response.

There are no unbiased sites. There never were. There never will be. Running around trying to find this unicorn, this windmill, this pipe dream one will be severely let down. Anyone wanting to chose that hill to die on is a fool chasing lies.

Maybe I should say I'm on a search for Least Biased sites. Sites that both left, right and middle can agree with one day and disagree their next. Best I can come up with is this page of this side.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/center

Least Biased
These sources have minimal bias and use very few loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes). The reporting is factual and usually sourced. These are the most credible media sources.

For me, that is a start.
I haven't perused the list yet, but happy to find this much.
So there is Hope. There is always Hope.



RayR Online
#73 Posted:
Joined: 07-20-2020
Posts: 8,892
8track, yer a dreamer, like that John Lennon line from that commie song, “You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. I hope someday you'll join us. And the world will live as one.”

Why can't we just all get along! ?? Crying
DrafterX Offline
#74 Posted:
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Posts: 98,552
Fox News is Fair and Balanced.... Mellow
RayR Online
#75 Posted:
Joined: 07-20-2020
Posts: 8,892
DrafterX wrote:
Fox News is Fair and Balanced.... Mellow


That's what I heard. Not talking
Brewha Offline
#76 Posted:
Joined: 01-25-2010
Posts: 12,182
DrafterX wrote:
Fox News is Fair and Balanced.... Mellow

That’s why Dominion is suing them over slandering their voting machines.
rfenst Offline
#77 Posted:
Joined: 06-23-2007
Posts: 39,330
What the Jan. 6 Committee Report Misses

The truth they don’t stress enough is that U.S. institutions held.


WSJ Editorial Board

The final House Jan. 6 committee report—at 845 pages—contains no surprises, and we’ve already assessed its lack of evidence to prove criminal behavior by former President Trump. The committee’s demonstration of his moral and political culpability—and shameful refusal to act immediately to stop the riot—is damning enough.

But the report shouldn’t pass into history without noting what the evidence reveals that the media largely ignores. To wit, the failure of Mr. Trump’s attempt to overturn the 2020 election shows that U.S. democratic institutions, and their checks and balances, held up well. Despite today’s partisan polarization, Mr. Trump’s effort had no chance to succeed because it was opposed by nearly all Republicans in positions of authority.

Mr. Trump’s allies in his effort included relatively few White House staff, some second-raters at the Justice Department, crony-cranks like Roger Stone (who took the Fifth Amendment before the committee), a few Members of Congress without influence, some backbench state legislators, and dubious legal advisers like John Eastman and Rudy Giuliani. Talk about a crew of banana Republicans.

Now consider those who opposed the Trump effort, or examined his claims of election fraud and rejected them. They included: His own White House counsel and legal staff; Attorney General William Barr and other leaders at the Justice Department; his entire Cabinet; senior military officials; most GOP state legislators; GOP governors and secretaries of state; all but a handful of GOP Senators; federal judges appointed by Mr. Trump; and, most famously, his own Vice President Mike Pence.

The Jan. 6 committee acknowledges this GOP opposition in its effort to show that Mr. Trump knew his fraud claims about the election were false. But the committee suggests that the President’s attempt to overturn the election was a close-run thing. It wasn’t. The opposition by Members of Mr. Trump’s own Administration, and his own party, was too broad and deep to have had any chance.

Even if Mr. Pence had tried to delay or reject the electoral votes, he could not have succeeded. There wasn’t enough support in the contested state legislatures to overturn the popular vote count. And even if enough states had done so to deny Joe Biden 270 electoral votes, Speaker Nancy Pelosi would not have reconvened the Congress to count them. The Supreme Court would have eventually intervened, and our guess is that it would have ruled 9-0 against Mr. Trump.

None of this absolves Mr. Trump for his actions, but it does underscore the strength of U.S. democracy and the dedication to it by most elected and appointed officials. It also shows the value of having had men of principle like Messrs. Pence and Barr willing to take on the duty of working in the Trump Administration.

They were criticized as Trump-enablers when they made decisions the left didn’t like. But those decisions were made based on the policy merits and the law. And when it mattered most, when Mr. Trump sought to overturn an election, the country was lucky to have had these men and others like them in office. It’s a shame the Jan. 6 committee and the press won’t give them the credit they deserve.
ZRX1200 Offline
#78 Posted:
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Posts: 60,613
Who’s in charge of the Capital Police?
Sunoverbeach Offline
#79 Posted:
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Posts: 14,668
There's half a million jobs in the world, yet we pick careers based on studying 10-15 subjects by age 18-21
Brewha Offline
#80 Posted:
Joined: 01-25-2010
Posts: 12,182
ZRX1200 wrote:
Who’s in charge of the Capital Police?

Yeah! And WHY were they at the Capital when they should have been out arresting all those peeps who stole the election?

Think
frankj1 Offline
#81 Posted:
Joined: 02-08-2007
Posts: 44,221
ZRX1200 wrote:
Who’s in charge of the Capital Police?

the answer to that:
The Capitol Police Board oversees and supports the United States Capitol Police in its mission, and helps to advance coordination between the Department and the Sergeant at Arms of the House of Representatives and the Sergeant at Arms and Doorkeeper of the Senate, in their law enforcement capacities, and the Congress. Consistent with this purpose, the Capitol Police Board establishes general goals and objectives covering its major functions and operations to improve the efficiency and effectiveness of its operations.

The Capitol Police Board consists of the Sergeant at Arms of the U.S. House of Representatives, the Sergeant at Arms and Doorkeeper of the U.S. Senate, and the Architect of the Capitol. The Chief of the United States Capitol Police serves in an ex-officio non-voting capacity. The Chairmanship alternates annually between the House and Senate Sergeants at Arms.

the real question that insurrection deniers are asking is who should have called them?
Probably Pelosi and McTurtle and..........TRUMP.

Only one of whom was sitting comfortably on a couch with the TV remote in hand.

Everyone is picking the one that fits their personal narrative of the events of that dark day.
HockeyDad Offline
#82 Posted:
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Posts: 46,134
I was gonna go with the “Central Park Rangers”
ZRX1200 Offline
#83 Posted:
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Wait, insurrection deniers?!!!! LMAO that’s a good one 🤣

Frank you know Kennedy didn’t commit suicide right?
Brewha Offline
#84 Posted:
Joined: 01-25-2010
Posts: 12,182
ZRX1200 wrote:
Wait, insurrection deniers?!!!! LMAO that’s a good one 🤣

Frank you know Kennedy didn’t commit suicide right?

He’s got you Frank - one would have to be a fool to deny that there was an insurrection.

I mean come on - who would buy that?
HockeyDad Offline
#85 Posted:
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2020 - the year of insurrections.
RayR Online
#86 Posted:
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Posts: 8,892
I heard it was an insurrection to overthrow da gubment and install a dicktator for Life. bwahaha!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#87 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,440
8trackdisco wrote:
Still have some roid energy, so I'll address this one as well- from your response.

There are no unbiased sites. There never were. There never will be. Running around trying to find this unicorn, this windmill, this pipe dream one will be severely let down. Anyone wanting to chose that hill to die on is a fool chasing lies.

Maybe I should say I'm on a search for Least Biased sites. Sites that both left, right and middle can agree with one day and disagree their next. Best I can come up with is this page of this side.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/center

Least Biased
These sources have minimal bias and use very few loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes). The reporting is factual and usually sourced. These are the most credible media sources.

For me, that is a start.
I haven't perused the list yet, but happy to find this much.
So there is Hope. There is always Hope.



If this is the only reason for consuming rinsed information then you're going to miss alternative sites like ZeroHedge that provide content. Almost NOBODY is doing what they're doing. Like I stated earlier, the site...and I really implore you to take advantage on this...they really are slanted from a purely Financial information clearinghouse POV. Want to see how the sausage is made, dig in to see behind the curtains. Occasionally they have other tidbits that dwell on the geopolitical/political because as we both know...our government is in the business of picking winners and losers. The information I've seen on the site have come from some of the most highest places in the Banking and Regulatory businesses and organizations. Some are charts or insights that find their way all the way down to the trading desks. They're using information and monetizing it. I see what they're doing and follow. If you saw the websites I go to on a daily basis you would really step back in amazement. Democratic Underground? I go there. NPR? I go there. AP? Of course. Bloomberg? A must. NYT? Sure, why not. I LOVE to poke torpedo sized holes in their hull. Those are just a few I visit daily. I'm not pigeonholed into one source. I really have a soft spot for ZeroHedge though. It covers a lot of ground and sends me down spider holes for more information. It's like the way the Drudge Report used to operate on, a real muckraking clearinghouse of content all placed there for your perusal. So, you stay to your path and you'll get what you get. I don't wear blinders and get what I get. If the information isn't factual then by all means call it out. PLEASE. When you can't and other point of views cloud your path use that to become more informed. This is a major part of why I stopped watching the alphabet "news". They all read from the same "hymnal". All of them have been busted doing it.

https://youtu.be/TnIQalprvR8

We can thank our own government for allowing the mergers and acquisitions and the media companies for downplaying the necessity of real information. Just like the radio stations. It's been sanitized for you. You can go to one town and 93.3 is going to play the "Urban Hits" and go to another in another state on the other side of the country and 93.3 is playing the same thing. I gave up on CoWHOREperate Radio a long time ago. Just check out the music I post on Wheel's thread "What Are You Listening To" thread. It's 98.2% of the time music most have never heard of, or so cutting edge and innovative it will be. I just love good music. I love being informed too. I've just had to get better at how to obtain both to do it well. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss any site because you don't like the articles. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#88 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,440
8trackdisco wrote:
The guy had or still has an unenviable difficult job. Even Jesus had a boss. The guy's heart is in the right place. Made mistakes, got stuff wrong- yeah. Probably. He's an azzhat trying to do the best he can with what he had to work with.
There is a difference between Hiding and just Leaving. He left.

It was more fun when he was here, but he was worn down, knew he wasn't appreciated by many and became the Covid lightning rod of hate. when the Misery of posting here outweighs the Joy, I'd leave too.

Don't really have a point beyond that. But, I did want to address that part at least in our exchange.



I have no idea what people do for a living. It doesn't bother me, and I truly hope they're successful and enjoy what they do to earn a living that provides us comforts like a decent cigar. The real reason we're here. We are BOTL's after all. Some of the side journeys most of us have taken since arriving here are monumental and astounding. Herfs, RAOKs, uplifting people in times of need, praying, donating cigars to the troops that are used in pics to celebrate Saddam Hussein being pulled out of his hole (LIFE CHANGING! In how a community like ours can make an impact) and partaking in other hobbies that we've only heard about or wanted to try but needed a bit more information or education to make it gel. HockeyDad taught me how to make my own beer and ale. Something I'd always wanted to do, but was afraid of blowing up the house or making a Niagara Falls of failed product. I'm forever thankful for his wisdom and guidance in that. There are other people here that have pinpointed how they cook, what they cook and it makes me want to try that. It usually turns out great. So, when someone says they're an "Expert" in a field I'll pick their brain. Most won't even see me coming either. In this particular guy's "avenue"...he made himself a lightning rod. He put himself on the perch and proclaimed he was the defacto "expert". None of us knew what he knew and had the information at his fingertips. Lives were at stake. People were clamoring for information they believed could save their Life. What were we served with? I don't want a reply. I want you to honestly answer that one to yourself quietly. When you want to proclaim something and set yourself up as the guy to go to...let's get real. He was lying. He got called on it. He wasn't alone. He got caught up in the frenzy and he took his "ball" and left. Sayonara. Arrivederci. Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya. No, when you claim to be knowledgeable and lie about it...sorry. Take it personal and elevate the lies? I want to believe that we both know that's wrong. Double goodbye, don't need ya anymore.

Appreciate you addressing it, but I'm not alone in believing what I do about the guy. Good luck. We've seen the best of times and we've seen the worst of times.
Sunoverbeach Offline
#89 Posted:
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Posts: 14,668
The real online IQ test is whether or not you'll pay to see the results
DrMaddVibe Offline
#90 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,440
frankj1 wrote:
the answer to that:
The Capitol Police Board oversees and supports the United States Capitol Police in its mission, and helps to advance coordination between the Department and the Sergeant at Arms of the House of Representatives and the Sergeant at Arms and Doorkeeper of the Senate, in their law enforcement capacities, and the Congress. Consistent with this purpose, the Capitol Police Board establishes general goals and objectives covering its major functions and operations to improve the efficiency and effectiveness of its operations.

The Capitol Police Board consists of the Sergeant at Arms of the U.S. House of Representatives, the Sergeant at Arms and Doorkeeper of the U.S. Senate, and the Architect of the Capitol. The Chief of the United States Capitol Police serves in an ex-officio non-voting capacity. The Chairmanship alternates annually between the House and Senate Sergeants at Arms.

the real question that insurrection deniers are asking is who should have called them?
Probably Pelosi and McTurtle and..........TRUMP.

Only one of whom was sitting comfortably on a couch with the TV remote in hand.

Everyone is picking the one that fits their personal narrative of the events of that dark day.


Um...Trump has no authority over the Capitol Police. Nice try.

As expected, the bulk of the 845-page document spun a well-worn tale that portrayed Donald Trump as the sole villain in a so-called “insurrection” the committee wants us to believe was engineered to keep him in the White House. Page after page included dramatic interpretations of snippets from witness testimony intended to bolster the committee’s preconceived conclusions.

Analysis of how law enforcement and intelligence services failed to prepare for the “attack,” a promise made by the committee in its original sell job to the public, is buried in a relatively brief appendix at the end. And despite confirmation the government was aware violence might occur—the FBI used a threat tag, “CERTUNREST2021,” purportedly to categorize in advance information related to January 6—federal and local agencies did not prevent what the Biden regime branded a terror attack comparable to 9/11. (FBI Director Christopher Wray’s name is not mentioned once in the report and it appears unlikely he sat for a transcribed interview.)

Even so, in the face of extensive evidence that those agencies were on high alert, committee members still faulted Trump: “Few in law enforcement predicted that the President of the United States would incite a mob attack on the Capitol, that he would send them to stop the joint session knowing they were armed and dangerous, that he would further incite them against his own vice President while the attack was underway, or that he would do nothing to stop the assault for hours,” the report dishonestly stated.

Another official who escaped accountability in the report is House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), the lawmaker mainly responsible for protecting Capitol grounds. Committee members avoided any criticism of Pelosi, instead allowing her to write the foreword. (It’s also unclear whether committee investigators interviewed the speaker.)

For two years, Pelosi has played the role of victimized bystander in the events of January 6 rather than being recognized as the incompetent steward of public safety she is—or worse, someone who was complicit in manufacturing the entire spectacle. After all, her filmmaker daughter just happened to be on site as the historic event, one usually considered a pro forma ceremony, went down.

But a competing report also released last week by a handful of Republican House members did not let Pelosi off the hook; to the contrary, “Security Failures at the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021” presented new disclosures about how Pelosi’s staff spent weeks ostensibly preparing for the electoral certification vote that afternoon.

“[Then] House Sergeant at Arms Paul Irving—who served on the Capitol Police Board by virtue of his position—succumbed to political pressures from the Office of Speaker Pelosi and House Democrat leadership leading up to January 6, 2021,” the report authored by Representatives Jim Jordan (R-Ohio), James Banks (R-Ind.) and others revealed.

“He coordinated closely with the Speaker and her staff and left Republicans out of important discussions related to security. Irving only provided information to Republicans after receiving instruction from the Speaker’s office. In one case, Irving even asked a senior Democratic staffer to ‘act surprised’ when he sent key information about plans for the Joint Session on January 6, 2021 to him and his Republican counterpart. The senior Democratic staffer replied: ‘I’m startled.’”

(Jordan and Banks were appointed to the January 6 select committee before being bounced by Pelosi.)

According to records obtained by House Republicans, Irving maintained constant communication with two of Pelosi’s top aides—Terry McCullough, her chief of staff, and Jamie Flood, a shared staffer for Pelosi and the House Administration committee—about January 6 in early December 2020. 

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/what-did-nancy-know-when-did-she-know-it


Still trying to blame anyone else but the people responsible...covering it up...lying about it...shame. Why is Lefty afraid of really getting to the heart of their fears?
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well…..I always said Trump had no control over thing while he was President….
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Handicap jokes are so cruel I can't stand them
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Brewha wrote:
well…..I always said Trump had no control over thing while he was President….


He STILL has your mind.
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When someone calls me ugly, I become sad and hug them. I know how tough life can be for the visually impaired
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House Sergeant-At-Arms Claims J6 Response Would Have Been "Vastly Different" If Rioters Were Black



Authored by Chris Menahan via Information Liberation,

The Capitol police would have carried out a bloodbath if the mostly white Jan 6 protesters were black, according to House sergeant at arms William Walker.

From NBC News, “Jan. 6 response would have been ‘vastly different’ if rioters were Black, House sergeant at arms told investigators”:

The House sergeant at arms, who was the head of the D.C. National Guard during the attack on the Capitol, told the Jan. 6 committee that the law enforcement response would have looked much different had the rioters been Black Americans.

“I’m African American. Child of the sixties. I think it would have been a vastly different response if those were African Americans trying to breach the Capitol,” William J. Walker told congressional investigators, in an interview transcript released Tuesday.

“As a career law enforcement officer, part-time soldier, last five years full but, but a law enforcement officer my entire career, the law enforcement response would have been different.”

His testimony echoed the observations of many Americans, including President Joe Biden, who noted the stark difference in the law enforcement response to protests in Washington following the May 2020 murder of George Floyd and the lax security at the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.


I agree it would have been vastly different. 

The feds would have taken a knee.

pic.twitter.com/jAL81tyPjA
— Jim Manico @ Cobb (@manicode) June 5, 2020

Corporate American would have donated $1.7 billion to their cause and Kamala Harris would have touted their bail fund.


NBC News continues:

William J. Walker, the head of the D.C. National Guard during the insurrection, also indicated he thought more people in the crowd would have died if the mob had been largely Black instead of overwhelmingly white.

“You know, as a law enforcement officer, there were — I saw enough to where I would have probably been using deadly force,” he said.

“I think it would have been more bloodshed if the composition would have been different.”


Five people died on Jan 6 (1 overdose, 3 natural causes, and 1 homicide)

Ashli Babbitt, an unarmed, white veteran of the Air Force, was shot in the neck by the cowardly Capitol police officer Lt. Michael Byrd, who was black.

There wouldn’t have been any bloodshed on January 6th if Byrd didn’t execute Babbitt. 


No other cops felt it necessary to shoot any of the other unarmed Trump supporters who arrived that day (evidence suggests other Trump supporters may have died as a result of heart attacks induced by police flashbanging the elderly crowds).

Meanwhile, there’s video showing a black police officer welcoming the peaceful J6 protesters into the Capitol building while telling them he disagrees with their protest but “respects” their right to do so.

Capitol police open doors for the protestors. They stand aside and invite them inside. pic.twitter.com/OnSd3KGzz5
— Christina Bobb (@christina_bobb) January 8, 2021

Another black cop felt comfortable putting a MAGA hat on. 

In the clip before he is seen with MAGA cap, USCP Lieutenant Johnson can be seen entering with officers tailed by several Oath Keepers.

Footage by YouTuber Rico La Starza (https://t.co/75qTGftGl4) shows Johnson wearing the cap and asking for Oathkeepers' help moments earlier. pic.twitter.com/dEAhUumVJ7
— Ford Fischer (@FordFischer) August 18, 2022

Since the incident, Rico La Starza's footage went viral, and Lieutenant Johnson was suspended.

He has since claimed that he wore the MAGA hat to "win the trust" of the protesters and help extract officers who were trapped.https://t.co/i99WeBZeti
— Ford Fischer (@FordFischer) August 18, 2022

The reason so few protesters were killed by police is because they were by and large entirely peaceful and respectful of the Capitol.

Their genuinely mostly peaceful protest stands in stark contrast to the BLM riots which killed dozens and caused an estimated $2 billion in damages.


https://www.zerohedge.com/political/house-sergeant-arms-claims-j6-response-would-have-been-vastly-different-if-rioters-were


Insurrection my a$$. Whenever anyone refers to that day to it...I'm LMMFAO internally. They have no understanding of what the word means and apparently is refusing to use a dictionary. Most likely they lack the ability and cognitive functionality to do so. Now, with this we see it's about race baiting and another club to just bash on Trump. Nothing more.
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Da Nile ain’t just wide - it’s deep too…
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January 6 should be a national holiday.
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HockeyDad wrote:
January 6 should be a national holiday.


Gotta come up with a catchy name.
It worked for Juneteenth.
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tailgater wrote:
Gotta come up with a catchy name.
It worked for Juneteenth.



How's Pelosi's Hammer Day sound?
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Biden's Yimmer Yammer Jibber Jabberteenth?
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