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January 6: The Season Finale
HockeyDad Offline
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Anybody watching the final episode? This is the one where the beg for the justice department of the DNC to file charges!

Love a good cliffhanger!
Stogie1020 Offline
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Did this sitcom get picked up for a season 2?
ZRX1200 Offline
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Remember why the Romans had gladiators.
HockeyDad Offline
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Stogie1020 wrote:
Did this sitcom get picked up for a season 2?


No. It got cancelled so this is it.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Remember why the Romans had gladiators.


‘Cause of the ghey?
Brewha Offline
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Wow - Congress handed down 4 recommendations to indict Donald J.
And for things he hasn’t even denied.

Quick! Crank up the “It’s Witch Hunt” machine!
What a POS.

Think he will sell NTFs of the indictments?
Brewha Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Remember why the Romans had gladiators.

We know you like gladiator moves - but it’s not what you think…
HockeyDad Offline
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Brewha wrote:
We know you like gladiator moves - but it’s not what you think…

I just referred you to the DOJ for that micro aggression.
Brewha Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
I just referred you to the DOJ for that micro aggression.

It wasn’t me. The Proud Boys hacked my account…..
HockeyDad Offline
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Brewha wrote:
It wasn’t me. The Proud Boys hacked my account…..


Aren’t the Proud Boys basically just the FBI?
Brewha Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
Aren’t the Proud Boys basically just the FBI?

Wait, are some of the FBI “political prisoners “???
RayR Offline
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I heard it was Ray Epps and the Oath Keepers that were planning an attempted violent coup.Shhh
Sunoverbeach Offline
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Your dog thinks fetch is a game the two of you made up, and he loves you for that
Mr. Jones Offline
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Kangaroo court with absolutely no power to enforce the law
Mr. Jones Offline
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(made up of almost...ALL DEMOCRATS)

Brewha Offline
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Mr. Jones wrote:
(made up of almost...ALL DEMOCRATS)


And dozens upon dozens if eye witnesses and records.

Liz Cheney on the committee and rocking’ it.
She and her dad ain’t no Democrats.
RayR Offline
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Liz Cheney is the one and only Trotskyist among the Leninists.
Whistlebritches Offline
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Brewha wrote:
And dozens upon dozens if eye witnesses and records.

Liz Cheney on the committee and rocking’ it.
She and her dad ain’t no Democrats.


You are funny........if this were reversed and Cheney were a democrat attempting to crucify a democrat she would be a traitor.You are one of the most predictable libtards on the forum Brew.
Sunoverbeach Offline
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Using a dollar bill as a bookmark is probably cheaper than buying a bookmark.
ZRX1200 Offline
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Great trolling Brew…I hope you are laughing too. Mellow
Brewha Offline
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Whistlebritches wrote:
You are funny........if this were reversed and Cheney were a democrat attempting to crucify a democrat she would be a traitor.You are one of the most predictable libtards on the forum Brew.

No, this is about actions and circumstance.

Did you watch the committee, hear the testimony?

They found that Trump was the central cause of 1/6.
Brewha Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Great trolling Brew…I hope you are laughing too. Mellow

Z - are you resorting to artificial guilt trips?

Not that you would ever troll Liar
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And Hillary is responsible for the dead bodies in Bengazi right..?? Huh
Brewha Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
And Hillary is responsible for the dead bodies in Bengazi right..?? Huh

Shouldn’t you be looking for Joe Bidens’ laptop?
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Brewha wrote:
Shouldn’t you be looking for Joe Bidens’ laptop?



The FBI has had it for YEARS.
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Brewha wrote:
No, this is about actions and circumstance.

Did you watch the committee, hear the testimony?

They found that Trump was the central cause of 1/6.



You do realize you watched the equivalent of a prosecutor's opening statement and case in chief, but never heard the defense. I mean, it's right in the name "Select" committee. Are you concerned that, just like with the Russia collusion hoax (I mean you can at least admit that was all fake, right?) you were told to believe, that some of this info was minupulated to, once again, paint a specific picture for you to want to believe?

Rememeber, this wasn't on CSPAN, they hired a NBC producer to "produce" it...
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Stogie1020 wrote:
You do realize you watched the equivalent of a prosecutor's opening statement and case in chief, but never heard the defense. I mean, it's right in the name "Select" committee. Are you concerned that, just like with the Russia collusion hoax (I mean you can at least admit that was all fake, right?) you were told to believe, that some of this info was minupulated to, once again, paint a specific picture for you to want to believe?

Rememeber, this wasn't on CSPAN, they hired a NBC producer to "produce" it...


Dammmmit.....why ya gotta ruin the joke!

Look at the usual suspects upholding this sham...this Shifty Schiff $hitshow 3.0! Lured in again with the sweet sweet promises of Donald Trump's head. Even Willy E. Coyote would give up when he knew he'd been beaten. The DNC? They're still pushing for their "queen" and her dream of becoming the 1st female President...because...a list of dead people paved the way for it.
Brewha Offline
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Stogie1020 wrote:
You do realize you watched the equivalent of a prosecutor's opening statement and case in chief, but never heard the defense. I mean, it's right in the name "Select" committee. Are you concerned that, just like with the Russia collusion hoax (I mean you can at least admit that was all fake, right?) you were told to believe, that some of this info was minupulated to, once again, paint a specific picture for you to want to believe?

Rememeber, this wasn't on CSPAN, they hired a NBC producer to "produce" it...

This was Congress investigating why people overran the capital with intent to stop the election certification.

Now you may feel that Congress is corrupt and cannot be trusted. But their finding pointed to Trump.
Or is he as clean as the driven snow in your mind?
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This was not "Congress" and they were not "investigating" anything. This was a "select" group chosen becuase of their preconceived oppinions, who were not allowed to call unapproved witnesses, not allowed to ask for unapproved evidence, and not allowed to present contravening witnesses nor rebut any 'claim' made (not tha tthey likely would have based ontheir selection). In other words, this is the kind of kangaroo court we accuse third world countires of running. I might be mildly interested in their findings if this had actually been an equally represented proceeding, looking at all angles of the issue, but it was not.

Also, I am still waiting for Schiff's incontrovertable evidence of DJT's collusion with the Russians. Still waiting... Still waiting... Still waiting... Still waiting... But somehow I am supposed to trust his impartiality here? laughable from this side of the fence. Delusional from the other side.
Brewha Offline
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Stogie1020 wrote:
This was not "Congress" and they were not "investigating" anything. This was a "select" group chosen becuase of their preconceived oppinions, who were not allowed to call unapproved witnesses, not allowed to ask for unapproved evidence, and not allowed to present contravening witnesses nor rebut any 'claim' made (not tha tthey likely would have based ontheir selection). In other words, this is the kind of kangaroo court we accuse third world countires of running. I might be mildly interested in their findings if this had actually been an equally represented proceeding, looking at all angles of the issue, but it was not.

Also, I am still waiting for Schiff's incontrovertable evidence of DJT's collusion with the Russians. Still waiting... Still waiting... Still waiting... Still waiting... But somehow I am supposed to trust his impartiality here? laughable from this side of the fence. Delusional from the other side.

People treating Trump unfairly and falsely accusing him has become a mantra.



Do you think Trump was “central” to 1/6?
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Brewha wrote:
Do you think Trump was “central” to 1/6?


Hell no.
Stogie1020 Offline
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Brewha wrote:
People treating Trump unfairly and falsely accusing him has become a mantra.



Do you think Trump was “central” to 1/6?

To be clear, you just completely sidestepped all the issues raised in my post to ask me what I think about DJT.

Not playing your "litmus test" game now or ever.
drglnc Offline
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Brewha wrote:
People treating Trump unfairly and falsely accusing him has become a mantra.



Do you think Trump was “central” to 1/6?


Anyone that denies Trump had a major influence on the actions taken that day is either in denial or simply lying... Words Matter... That being said, this season of the 1/6 will fizzle out like so many other things and nothing will happen to Trump legally in the end...
DrMaddVibe Offline
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drglnc wrote:
Anyone that denies Trump had a major influence on the actions taken that day is either in denial or simply lying... Words Matter... That being said, this season of the 1/6 will fizzle out like so many other things and nothing will happen to Trump legally in the end...



What words did he say to make you feel this way?
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A Case Of Hope Over Experience: The J6 Referral Falls Short Of A Credible Criminal Case



This week the January 6th Committee voted to make criminal referrals to the Justice Department, including the proposed indictment of former President Donald Trump. 

However, the Committee’s splashy finale lacked any substantial new evidence to make a compelling criminal case against former President Donald Trump. The Committee repackaged largely the same evidence that it has previously put forward over the past year.

That is not enough.

Indeed, the reliance on a new videotape of former Trump aide Hope Hicks seems a case of putting “hope over experience” in the criminal Justice system.

While still based largely on the failure to act, Rep. Adam Schiff (D., Cal.) insisted that “if that’s not criminal, nothing is.” The opposite may be true from a First Amendment perspective. If the failure to act is criminal, it is hard to see what would not criminal under this standard.

After members like Schiff, again, promised new evidence to support criminal charges, the Committee continued its pattern of rehashing previously known evidence with network-quality videotapes.

The failure of the Committee to offer any new and direct evidence of criminal conduct was obvious at the outset, Vice Chair Liz Cheney began her remarks by again detailing what Trump failed to do. It was a repeat of the prior hearings and for some likely left the impression of actors who are refusing to leave the stage long after the audience departed.

The one new piece of evidence was largely duplicative. It shows former aide Hope Hicks saying that she also called upon Trump to make a public statement calling for peace and telling him that there is no evidence of systemic fraud. Nevertheless, the videotape has been heralded by figures like former acting Solicitor General Neil Katyal on MSNBC as “evidence I’ve never seen before from Hope Hicks.” Katyal bizarrely claims “I think that tells you all you need to know about premeditation. Call it criminal intent. The House committees evidence here is very strong.”

The fact is that the J6 Committee failed to change many minds largely because of what was on display in the final public meeting. It was the same highly scripted, one-sided account repeated mantra-like for months. There is justifiable anger over these accounts but this hearing was billed as presenting the case for criminal charged. It missed that mark by a considerable measure.

Of course, to raise obvious legal barriers to prosecution today is to invite an Internet flash mob accusing you for being an insurrectionist or fellow traveler. Major media from the Washington Post to National Public Radio routinely refer to the riot as an insurrection despite a deep disagreement over the characterization of the criminal conduct. The media unrelentingly echoes this one view despite polls showing most citizens view that day as a reprehensible “riot” motivated by loyalty to Trump.

The media also downplayed the glaring failure of the J6 Committee to produce what it described as bombshell evidence of a criminal conspiracy by Trump. Members like Rep. Adam Schiff (D., Ca.) repeatedly promised that the next hearing would reveal such direct evidence only to have the same rehashing of the prior claims for prosecution.

The Committee was playing to the same audience and knew that they did not have to produce such evidence to make their case. Experts like Harvard law professor Laurence Tribe have previously declared Trump’s felonies were shown “without any doubt, beyond a reasonable doubt, beyond any doubt, and the crimes are obvious.” That included what Tribe suggested was a clear case of attempted murder of former Vice President Pence.

Likewise, experts like legal analyst and Michigan Law Professor Barbara McQuade told MSNBC viewers that Trump could be charged with manslaughter for riot.

The problem is that crimes actually require satisfaction of underlying elements and cannot be proven by soundbite or desire alone.

Instead, much of the evidence cited what an official failed to do. Yet the last hearing seemed to focus on a number of things that did not occur, from a draft tweet that was not sent to an executive order that was never signed. There were discussions of appointing Trump attorney Sidney Powell as a special counsel, seizing voting machines or replacing the Justice Department’s leadership. It is a chilling list but it is also notable in that no final action was taken on such proposals.

That is a far cry from evidence showing mens rea — “guilty mind.” However, crimes generally require both guilty minds and guilty acts. Building a criminal case on the failure to act to stop the violence is a notoriously difficult case to make.

The most damning evidence concerns what Trump failed to do in those 187 minutes.

However, while repeatedly omitted by the Committee, Trump told his supporters to go to the Capitol “peacefully” to support Republicans challenging the election. At 1:11 p.m., Trump concluded his speech. Around 2:10 p.m., people surged up the Capitol steps. At 4:17 p.m., Trump made his statement to stop — roughly an hour and a half later.

That speech appears protected by the First Amendment and existing Supreme Court precedent. In Brandenburg v. Ohio, the Supreme Court ruled in 1969 that even calling for violence is protected under the First Amendment unless there is a threat of “imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action.” The Trump speech, in my view, falls well below that standard for criminalization.

Repetition of same earlier points does little to strengthen the case for prosecution. The Committee has presented a powerful record of Trump’s failures on that day, including his reckless rhetoric and lack of response. Trump may be guilty of all of these failings, but that does not mean that he is a criminal actor. The reason that Mar-a-Lago presents a greater threat to Trump is that it is based on his actions, not inaction, in retaining classified material.

It is a disappointing end for the J6 Committee, which could have been so much more than it was. Both sides have pointed fingers at each other for the failure to have a single member nominated by the Republican party. However, even after that breakdown, the Committee could have strived to create greater balance by discussing alternative interpretations of key actions or statements. It could have allowed for greater public examination of witnesses rather than the tightly scripted accounts used in the hearings. It could have explored other issues in public hearing, including the failure of the Congress to adequately prepare for the riot despite prior warnings.

While some Democrats have asserted an almost proprietary claim to the January 6th riot, this was a desecration of our constitutional process that harmed us all. Indeed some of us were critical of Trump’s speech as he was giving it. At a minimum, that day was a failure of leadership — but that does not mean it was a violation of the criminal code.

While the members assured each other that history would honor their efforts, the judgment is likely to be more mixed. It is not a criticism not of what they became as much as what they could have become in investigating the tragedy of January 6th.

Despite the broad condemnation of Trump for his speech and conduct on that day, there is a difference between what is viewed as reprehensible and what is chargeable as criminal conduct.


https://www.zerohedge.com/political/case-hope-over-experience-j6-referral-falls-short-credible-criminal-case
drglnc Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
What words did he say to make you feel this way?


Rhetorical question right?

I know you are not that obtuse...
Brewha Offline
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Stogie1020 wrote:
To be clear, you just completely sidestepped all the issues raised in my post to ask me what I think about DJT.

Not playing your "litmus test" game now or ever.

Oh, that - yes, politics does rule congress and those there in. And yes, the committee had a hard on for the 1/6 participants. I guess you don’t

My question about Trump was not Ph question (a matter of degree). It was kind of a yes or no.
Pleading the fifth are we?

Trump could use a guy like you….
Brewha Offline
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drglnc wrote:
Anyone that denies Trump had a major influence on the actions taken that day is either in denial or simply lying... Words Matter... That being said, this season of the 1/6 will fizzle out like so many other things and nothing will happen to Trump legally in the end...

Yes - I think we see this the same way.

He is not the only one that is above the law - on both sides.
RayR Offline
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I heard Trump use super secret code language like this, "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."
Which translates to mean "burn the place down!" ram27bat
Brewha Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
A Case Of Hope Over Experience: The J6 Referral Falls Short Of A Credible Criminal Case



This week the January 6th Committee voted to make criminal referrals to the Justice Department, including the proposed indictment of former President Donald Trump. 

However, the Committee’s splashy finale lacked any substantial new evidence to make a compelling criminal case against former President Donald Trump. The Committee repackaged largely the same evidence that it has previously put forward over the past year.

That is not enough.

Indeed, the reliance on a new videotape of former Trump aide Hope Hicks seems a case of putting “hope over experience” in the criminal Justice system.

While still based largely on the failure to act, Rep. Adam Schiff (D., Cal.) insisted that “if that’s not criminal, nothing is.” The opposite may be true from a First Amendment perspective. If the failure to act is criminal, it is hard to see what would not criminal under this standard.

After members like Schiff, again, promised new evidence to support criminal charges, the Committee continued its pattern of rehashing previously known evidence with network-quality videotapes.

The failure of the Committee to offer any new and direct evidence of criminal conduct was obvious at the outset, Vice Chair Liz Cheney began her remarks by again detailing what Trump failed to do. It was a repeat of the prior hearings and for some likely left the impression of actors who are refusing to leave the stage long after the audience departed.

The one new piece of evidence was largely duplicative. It shows former aide Hope Hicks saying that she also called upon Trump to make a public statement calling for peace and telling him that there is no evidence of systemic fraud. Nevertheless, the videotape has been heralded by figures like former acting Solicitor General Neil Katyal on MSNBC as “evidence I’ve never seen before from Hope Hicks.” Katyal bizarrely claims “I think that tells you all you need to know about premeditation. Call it criminal intent. The House committees evidence here is very strong.”

The fact is that the J6 Committee failed to change many minds largely because of what was on display in the final public meeting. It was the same highly scripted, one-sided account repeated mantra-like for months. There is justifiable anger over these accounts but this hearing was billed as presenting the case for criminal charged. It missed that mark by a considerable measure.

Of course, to raise obvious legal barriers to prosecution today is to invite an Internet flash mob accusing you for being an insurrectionist or fellow traveler. Major media from the Washington Post to National Public Radio routinely refer to the riot as an insurrection despite a deep disagreement over the characterization of the criminal conduct. The media unrelentingly echoes this one view despite polls showing most citizens view that day as a reprehensible “riot” motivated by loyalty to Trump.

The media also downplayed the glaring failure of the J6 Committee to produce what it described as bombshell evidence of a criminal conspiracy by Trump. Members like Rep. Adam Schiff (D., Ca.) repeatedly promised that the next hearing would reveal such direct evidence only to have the same rehashing of the prior claims for prosecution.

The Committee was playing to the same audience and knew that they did not have to produce such evidence to make their case. Experts like Harvard law professor Laurence Tribe have previously declared Trump’s felonies were shown “without any doubt, beyond a reasonable doubt, beyond any doubt, and the crimes are obvious.” That included what Tribe suggested was a clear case of attempted murder of former Vice President Pence.

Likewise, experts like legal analyst and Michigan Law Professor Barbara McQuade told MSNBC viewers that Trump could be charged with manslaughter for riot.

The problem is that crimes actually require satisfaction of underlying elements and cannot be proven by soundbite or desire alone.

Instead, much of the evidence cited what an official failed to do. Yet the last hearing seemed to focus on a number of things that did not occur, from a draft tweet that was not sent to an executive order that was never signed. There were discussions of appointing Trump attorney Sidney Powell as a special counsel, seizing voting machines or replacing the Justice Department’s leadership. It is a chilling list but it is also notable in that no final action was taken on such proposals.

That is a far cry from evidence showing mens rea — “guilty mind.” However, crimes generally require both guilty minds and guilty acts. Building a criminal case on the failure to act to stop the violence is a notoriously difficult case to make.

The most damning evidence concerns what Trump failed to do in those 187 minutes.

However, while repeatedly omitted by the Committee, Trump told his supporters to go to the Capitol “peacefully” to support Republicans challenging the election. At 1:11 p.m., Trump concluded his speech. Around 2:10 p.m., people surged up the Capitol steps. At 4:17 p.m., Trump made his statement to stop — roughly an hour and a half later.

That speech appears protected by the First Amendment and existing Supreme Court precedent. In Brandenburg v. Ohio, the Supreme Court ruled in 1969 that even calling for violence is protected under the First Amendment unless there is a threat of “imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action.” The Trump speech, in my view, falls well below that standard for criminalization.

Repetition of same earlier points does little to strengthen the case for prosecution. The Committee has presented a powerful record of Trump’s failures on that day, including his reckless rhetoric and lack of response. Trump may be guilty of all of these failings, but that does not mean that he is a criminal actor. The reason that Mar-a-Lago presents a greater threat to Trump is that it is based on his actions, not inaction, in retaining classified material.

It is a disappointing end for the J6 Committee, which could have been so much more than it was. Both sides have pointed fingers at each other for the failure to have a single member nominated by the Republican party. However, even after that breakdown, the Committee could have strived to create greater balance by discussing alternative interpretations of key actions or statements. It could have allowed for greater public examination of witnesses rather than the tightly scripted accounts used in the hearings. It could have explored other issues in public hearing, including the failure of the Congress to adequately prepare for the riot despite prior warnings.

While some Democrats have asserted an almost proprietary claim to the January 6th riot, this was a desecration of our constitutional process that harmed us all. Indeed some of us were critical of Trump’s speech as he was giving it. At a minimum, that day was a failure of leadership — but that does not mean it was a violation of the criminal code.

While the members assured each other that history would honor their efforts, the judgment is likely to be more mixed. It is not a criticism not of what they became as much as what they could have become in investigating the tragedy of January 6th.

Despite the broad condemnation of Trump for his speech and conduct on that day, there is a difference between what is viewed as reprehensible and what is chargeable as criminal conduct.


https://www.zerohedge.com/political/case-hope-over-experience-j6-referral-falls-short-credible-criminal-case


Just to give perspective- you read this whole thing line for line, but did not watch the hearings, right?
DrMaddVibe Offline
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drglnc wrote:
Rhetorical question right?

I know you are not that obtuse...



I read the speech. I heard the clips.

I did not hear anything remotely close to "storm the castle" and "kill them all". The ONLY person killed that day was a veteran woman by a Capitol Police officer. They swept that under the rug and conducted no investigation into that matter. Most of the people that still haven't been put in front of a judge for their part on Jan. 6th all have one thing in common. They were witnesses to the shooting.

The Shifty Schiff $hitshow 3.0 was a one way street. Witnesses weren't cross-examined. Evidence from the "Defense" wasn't allowed. I don't know what kind of Justice you're used to, but this sham...isn't any form of Justice I would put my name to. This is Treason in my eyes. A government politically going after someone because he's "abrasive", an outsider and upended a political belief this nation held since Teddy Roosevelt left office. Nevermind all of the good that was going on in this nation and the world under his administration. No, he had to go.

Please, tell me what you have, because I've seen what he said and it doesn't rise to the level the DNC wants. Even Trump is entitled to Free Speech.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Brewha wrote:
Just to give perspective- you read this whole thing line for line, but did not watch the hearings, right?



And you didn't either...WTF is your point?
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If the thumb is not a finger then there is no middle finger
drglnc Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
I read the speech. I heard the clips.

I did not hear anything remotely close to "storm the castle" and "kill them all". The ONLY person killed that day was a veteran woman by a Capitol Police officer. They swept that under the rug and conducted no investigation into that matter. Most of the people that still haven't been put in front of a judge for their part on Jan. 6th all have one thing in common. They were witnesses to the shooting.

The Shifty Schiff $hitshow 3.0 was a one way street. Witnesses weren't cross-examined. Evidence from the "Defense" wasn't allowed. I don't know what kind of Justice you're used to, but this sham...isn't any form of Justice I would put my name to. This is Treason in my eyes. A government politically going after someone because he's "abrasive", an outsider and upended a political belief this nation held since Teddy Roosevelt left office. Nevermind all of the good that was going on in this nation and the world under his administration. No, he had to go.

Please, tell me what you have, because I've seen what he said and it doesn't rise to the level the DNC wants. Even Trump is entitled to Free Speech.



He literally stoked the fire for months... Championed the lie that was the entire reason the events of that day unfolded... He and his inner circle stoked the fire...

“**** the Voting. Get Right to the Violence” Roger stone - never denounced by trump from what i can find...

“Let’s have trial by combat,” Giuliani, said before trump came on stage... speaking on trumps behalf... and before you say that's not trumps fault, he could have denounced the comment as soon as he went on stage... and didn't

Dec. 12

“WE HAVE JUST BEGUN TO FIGHT!!!” Trump ( i will give this one up to rhetoric even though we know some of his clan didnt take it that way based on the events that followed)

On Jan 4th
“If the liberal Democrats take the Senate and the White House — and they’re not taking this White House — we’re going to fight like hell, I’ll tell you right now,” Trump (more rhetoric?)

“We’re going to take it back,” Trump (How? peacefully? or with a literal fight? we know how his followers took it by the actions on the 6th ok... rhetoric)

Words have weight... do i think any of it will end in Trump being held responsible? not legally... Do i think he should be held responsible for causing the events of that day? Legally? probably not... he was smart enough to carefully choose words and phrases that we all know stoked the fire but in the end the actions were not his...but we all know what he did...

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#45 Posted:
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Cause he ate fried chikens with a knife and fork..?? Huh
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#46 Posted:
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drglnc wrote:
He literally stoked the fire for months... Championed the lie that was the entire reason the events of that day unfolded... He and his inner circle stoked the fire...

“**** the Voting. Get Right to the Violence” Roger stone - never denounced by trump from what i can find...

“Let’s have trial by combat,” Giuliani, said before trump came on stage... speaking on trumps behalf... and before you say that's not trumps fault, he could have denounced the comment as soon as he went on stage... and didn't

Dec. 12

“WE HAVE JUST BEGUN TO FIGHT!!!” Trump ( i will give this one up to rhetoric even though we know some of his clan didnt take it that way based on the events that followed)

On Jan 4th
“If the liberal Democrats take the Senate and the White House — and they’re not taking this White House — we’re going to fight like hell, I’ll tell you right now,” Trump (more rhetoric?)

“We’re going to take it back,” Trump (How? peacefully? or with a literal fight? we know how his followers took it by the actions on the 6th ok... rhetoric)

Words have weight... do i think any of it will end in Trump being held responsible? not legally... Do i think he should be held responsible for causing the events of that day? Legally? probably not... he was smart enough to carefully choose words and phrases that we all know stoked the fire but in the end the actions were not his...but we all know what he did...



Speak out about a stolen election? Seems like one would really want to do that. If it happened to you...I can imagine.

Quotes from Roger Stone, America's Governor Rudy? Thought they were crucifying Trump? I seem to remember states not adhering to their own constitutions to ratify a Biden victory...I'm pretty sure I'm not mistaken. Think

As for the kooks that went into the Capitol that day, that's on them. If you want to blame people for the words of another you're going to be...um...yeah. That's not ever going to work. EVER. I posted video after video here showing the Capitol Police removing barricades, opening doors, talking and posing for pics and standing around doing absolutely NOTHING while the building they were sworn to protect was overran. Part of that "evidence" Lefty doesn't want to admit or even hear is Trump's inner circle admitting that he had asked Pelosi and the mayor of DC if they needed more boots on the ground. He can't put them in place because...well, that would be a military show of force and being the Commander In Chief first and foremost he would be in control of said force if he did so without their signatures in place. That's inconvenient to the sham show you want to cling onto.
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Speak out about a stolen election? Seems like one would really want to do that. If it happened to you...I can imagine.


I can stop reading right here... The people voted... PERIOD... it wasn't stolen... it wasn't fraud... Trump... LOST... By a Landslide...
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#48 Posted:
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drglnc wrote:
I can stop reading right here... The people voted... PERIOD... it wasn't stolen... it wasn't fraud... Trump... LOST... By a Landslide...


And the people are reaping their rewards!!!!
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#49 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
And the people are reaping their rewards!!!!


Ok... not what's being discussed in this thread, ill leave that to other posts...
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DrafterX wrote:
Cause he ate fried chikens with a knife and fork..?? Huh

And NO waffles!

Communist!
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