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Forget about what?

WHAT?

Then send them to me and I will give them proper care then send them when they are ready.

No thanks for the non-answer Mr. Fishing "Three Dollar Bill" Guitarman...

Multi-fold answer...

Cuban cigars aren't always necessarily manufactured in the same factory from month to month. At one time, the factory codes were known, now, not so much. Some factories are better than others, although in recent years, the provincial factories have improved greatly.

Vintage is also something worth noting with Cuban cigars since they are sometimes shipped a bit fresh.

Lastly, from a counterfeiting perspective, it's not uncommon for the counterfeiters to use a valid factory, month and year combo, but on the wrong brand. ie: they might stamp a box of marque "A" counterfeits with factory code ABC JAN09. While it's a valid factory, month and year code, it might only be valid for marque "B", as for that month and year, marque "A" might only have been stamped with XYZ JAN09.

Some non-Cuban cigars might have date codes, but factory of production is usually not necessary since a particular vitola in a marque is typically always made in the same place. It's also not as important with the date code since NC's typically use aged tobacco - Cuban cigars, who knows. Hit and miss - sometimes it's aged, sometimes it's not as much.

PS: Please quit calling them ISOMs Lightning isn't going to strike you down for calling them Cuban cigars. Show some respect.

Yeah, right. The reason I used ISOM instead of Cuban was to show disrespect to the country or its cigars. You got me. I bet that really stung them. I didn't use Cuban because I thought it might be discourteous to the owners of a forum to do so unless they had specifically invited a discussion of Cuban cigars. I realize buying and selling are different than discussing them, but whatever. Kind of like uttering "MacBeth" inside the theatre.

But, TG, other than that, your info was very helpful. Thanks.

LOL. You posted in a 5 page long thread that is blatantly a discussion about Cuban cigars, where they are mentioned many times by name and origin, but yet didn't call them Cuban as not to be discourteous to the owners of this site? Laughable. By your own explanation, you simply posting in this thread would be discourteous.

Anyway, it's ridiculously silly term which has long since outlived it's usefulness. Don't take it too hard, most people use the term when starting out.

BTW - wanted to add that when I was speaking of the first three letters of the box codes and how sometimes the same cigars are made at different factories, a change of codes from month to month does not necessarily indicate a change in factories. It's not uncommon now, with the current coding system, for a single factory to get a new code each month, even if they are still producing the same cigar they were last month. There is also speculation that multiple factory codes can be issued to the same factory for the same month for different cigar marques/ vitolas.

Yeah, it's kludgey, no one has figured the new system out yet.

Thanks. Don't worry -- I wasn't taking the fact that you corrected my terminology too hard, I just didn't like the dismissive and condescending directive to "show some respect." And, Adam, it is uncool to call my rationale for how I worded my post "laughable." What is the point? If others on the thread want to use "Cuban" and I wasn't sure if that was acceptable, who cares? I appreciate you sharing the info -- it is helpful -- but going out of your way to insult just isn't cool IMO.

I wasn't trying to insult you, it seems that maybe you didn't realize that referring to a Country and Peoples by such terms as "ISOM" / "Island South of Miami" can be considered disrespectful and possibly even insulting & derogatory by definition in some of their eyes. Unfortunately, a common oversight since the term is tossed around so loosely without thought. That's what I was referring to.

Thanks for clarifying. And you are right that if the Cuban people take offense at that term, that is news to me. I used the term to refer to the cigars from Cuba, not the country or people. Based on what I have seen, the phrase's etimology seems to stem from the desire of some not to specifically reference cigars that are illegal. If it is a derogatory term that some use outside the cigar context to refer to Cuba, I did not know that.

I personally enjoy making fun of people in other countries..

I love jokes about Ethiopians and Hungarians,,,
and fat Wisconsin chick jokes are always a crowd pleasr..

That's because you're from ASSO.


(ASSO = A State South of Oklahoma)

What are you brainstormin now?

Goin shoppin next month!

Still recovering from Christmas....

But I want more

PSD4
PLPC
Juan Lopez #2
BoliPC


for starters

PMSent

Know your source.....find a vendor you can trust, and stick with them.

Buying Cubans private party (I.e OLH) is risky business. Again, know your source. If you don't, I would ask plenty of questions at the very least before pulling the trigger.

You're almost better off mooching for CCs than buying private party. That way at least you wouldnt be out of pocket any money if you ended up with fakes.

I'd go with the find a good vendor route first though. Mooching will always be there when you need it.

Also, start with minimmum order. Do test runs. Don't place a big order until you are comfortable.

BTW...Thanks APBTMarcel

Minimal huh?

Maybe I can help with that

Just saying

DUDE! Your PM box is FULL!!!

Thanks!