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fishinguitarman Offline
#1 Posted: Wed, Aug 31 2011, 6:09 PM EST
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OK...The PIB didn't exactly catch on fire and it's it's prolly cause nobody has any... Wink Wink Wink


But because I'm curious, as I'm sure some others are, let's talk about these. I, for one, would like to expand my horizons and get edumacated.


So post your likes/dislikes...Which vitolas...mild/med/full......you get the picture.

If some trades....not that anybody has any...Wink Wink Wink ....can come outta this, all the better! CC 4 CC...CC 4 domestic...Domestic 4 CC


Come on you elitists! Post up!
wheelrite Offline
#2 Posted: Wed, Aug 31 2011, 6:12 PM EST
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Monte #2
Juan Lopez #
Sancho Panza Beli
Bolivar

just to mention a few...
gmdrews Offline
#3 Posted: Wed, Aug 31 2011, 6:13 PM EST
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The onlyone i smoked was a PSD4 and i thought it was great but thats all i know and im a noob so...
fishinguitarman Offline
#4 Posted: Wed, Aug 31 2011, 6:13 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
Monte #2
Juan Lopez #
Sancho Panza Beli
Bolivar

just to mention a few...




JL # ?
wheelrite Offline
#5 Posted: Wed, Aug 31 2011, 6:15 PM EST
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fishinguitarman wrote:
JL # ?



oops,,
#2..

although the #1 is great too..
fishinguitarman Offline
#6 Posted: Wed, Aug 31 2011, 6:15 PM EST
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Wrong forum?
wheelrite Offline
#7 Posted: Wed, Aug 31 2011, 6:19 PM EST
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fishinguitarman wrote:
Wrong forum?


No,

it's happy hour...

They'll come around soon..
fishinguitarman Offline
#8 Posted: Wed, Aug 31 2011, 6:23 PM EST
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Oh...gotcha...I Just wanted to talk about 'em....but....maybe trade....not that anybody's got any Wink Wink Wink
muhren Offline
#9 Posted: Wed, Aug 31 2011, 6:24 PM EST
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I've enjoyed some Partagas lately, but to be honest, I've not noticed a HUGE difference in brands. Brick wall

They all taste "Cuban" on the first puff (and throughout) but if blindfolded, I would be lost. I assume that's due to inexperience though more so than them all tasting the same...ya know.

I'll be reading this thread as well...waiting to hear from the vets!

M
bdrizzle Offline
#10 Posted: Wed, Aug 31 2011, 6:26 PM EST
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I have 12. smoked 2. loved one hated the other. give me more. I'll write review.
nnightmar Offline
#11 Posted: Wed, Aug 31 2011, 6:30 PM EST
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Well I agree somewhat with you Mike. Cuban cigars will taste similar being from Cuba. But there are indeed differences. Just takes time for the palette to discern I guess.

Personally a fan of Monte 2s, PSD4 and PSP2s, Lusitanias, HdM Epicure and Punch Punch. Have had a smattering of many others.
KPP Offline
#12 Posted: Wed, Aug 31 2011, 6:38 PM EST
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I'll start of with the WHY Cubans....as I, for a long time, thought they were over-rated. I'm sure many can attest to that, I wasn't shy about that opinion. And that opinion was formed after smoking ones acquired in trades/box passes etc. No idea of their origin, legitimacy or whatever. Not saying they were fakes whatsover...but 75% of them had crappy draws, and flavors were just meh. Also I was going for the LEs (i.e. Bolivar 09 Petit Beli, and Upmann Mag 48 etc.)....which come to find out, I really still don't care for.

Then I started acquiring some of my own...and I'm not sure if the quality/construction of cc's has improved over recent years or what...although that seems to be the case if you do some research (as I have done far too much of). 2008, 2009, 2010...all theoretically been great years for cuban tobacco.....and from everything I've smoked (many from those 3 years), I haven't had one that just plain sucked yet. Quite the opposite. Loved em'.

To sum up my feelings.... i'm going to borrow a thought...as I read this a while back and thought, hey, that's pretty much my thoughts verbatim...

I started off smoking NCs but there were several things I really disliked,
-the marketing
-new cigars out every month
-they left a bad taste in my mouth (literally)
-the ones I enjoyed were pricey
-too much pepper (don peppers as someone said on here lol)
-taste too much like ash

I switched to smoking habanos exclusively a year and a half ago (though I was smoking them intermittently) and have not had an NC since. CCs just have a wonderfully organic natural flavor to me, complex, lovely aging potential plus the fact that they never lose value (last factor I'm not too concerned with but it's nice to know). I never wake up with a bad taste in my mouth, cigars don't taste like ash and quite often have incredibly interesting flavor profiles that taste delicious.

As for likes dislikes....unlike many, I don't care for the Bolivar profile....but since you're a Maduro lover FGM i'd highly recommend you starting there. They've got a strong core IMO of chocolate/earth that should be right up your ally.
KPP Offline
#13 Posted: Wed, Aug 31 2011, 6:42 PM EST
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I'd also add the caveat to that borrowed thought that I still smoke NC's.....just not as often.

Liga Privada for example will always have a place in my humidor. If I want something beefy, full, and jam packed with flavor....give me a LP T 52. Same goes for the Tatuaje 7th Reserva...and a handful of others. I don't want to miscontrue that I'm an ALL CC guy, as my other post might make it out to seem, but rather FAR more selective on the NCs I smoke...as I spent several years (most of that time here) trying to figure out just what exactly it was that I liked.
wheelrite Offline
#14 Posted: Wed, Aug 31 2011, 6:45 PM EST
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on another note...

I can spend $150 or so on a Box of CCs and get a fantastic smoke..
I think they're a much better value than other Premium non CCs.

wheel,,
KPP Offline
#15 Posted: Wed, Aug 31 2011, 6:48 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
on another note...

I can spend $150 or so on a Box of CCs and get a fantastic smoke..
I think they're a much better value than other Premium non CCs.

wheel,,


Bingo.....also very, very true. Although PSD4s are around 170-180ish now...but give me a box of those over just about any NC right now, and I'm happy. NCs I was buying were $250+. Those that think cc's are elitist and more expensive etc. etc....just don't have a good source to buy em' from I guess.
wheelrite Offline
#16 Posted: Wed, Aug 31 2011, 6:52 PM EST
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I don't buy Cohibas.Not that they're not great but they are over priced and over hyped...
KPP Offline
#17 Posted: Wed, Aug 31 2011, 6:53 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
I don't buy Cohibas.Not that they're not great but they are over priced and over hyped...


I alreay told you Wheel....

You need to stop buying your Cohibas in Mexico! whip
gimbel Offline
#18 Posted: Wed, Aug 31 2011, 6:54 PM EST
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The PSD4 is still my favorite CC. I need to source another box since I traded away my last one.
wheelrite Offline
#19 Posted: Wed, Aug 31 2011, 6:57 PM EST
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KPP wrote:
I alreay told you Wheel....

You need to stop buying your Cohibas in Mexico! whip


Ha !!
never bought any !

But,
I know a place in Playa del Carmen where I can get Havan Club7yr for $14 a bottle and I do sneak it back in whenever we're there..
fishinguitarman Offline
#20 Posted: Wed, Aug 31 2011, 6:58 PM EST
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KPP wrote:
I'll start of with the WHY Cubans....as I, for a long time, thought they were over-rated. I'm sure many can attest to that, I wasn't shy about that opinion. And that opinion was formed after smoking ones acquired in trades/box passes etc. No idea of their origin, legitimacy or whatever. Not saying they were fakes whatsover...but 75% of them had crappy draws, and flavors were just meh. Also I was going for the LEs (i.e. Bolivar 09 Petit Beli, and Upmann Mag 48 etc.)....which come to find out, I really still don't care for.

Then I started acquiring some of my own...and I'm not sure if the quality/construction of cc's has improved over recent years or what...although that seems to be the case if you do some research (as I have done far too much of). 2008, 2009, 2010...all theoretically been great years for cuban tobacco.....and from everything I've smoked (many from those 3 years), I haven't had one that just plain sucked yet. Quite the opposite. Loved em'.

To sum up my feelings.... i'm going to borrow a thought...as I read this a while back and thought, hey, that's pretty much my thoughts verbatim...

I started off smoking NCs but there were several things I really disliked,
-the marketing
-new cigars out every month
-they left a bad taste in my mouth (literally)
-the ones I enjoyed were pricey
-too much pepper (don peppers as someone said on here lol)
-taste too much like ash

I switched to smoking habanos exclusively a year and a half ago (though I was smoking them intermittently) and have not had an NC since. CCs just have a wonderfully organic natural flavor to me, complex, lovely aging potential plus the fact that they never lose value (last factor I'm not too concerned with but it's nice to know). I never wake up with a bad taste in my mouth, cigars don't taste like ash and quite often have incredibly interesting flavor profiles that taste delicious.

As for likes dislikes....unlike many, I don't care for the Bolivar profile....but since you're a Maduro lover FGM i'd highly recommend you starting there. They've got a strong core IMO of chocolate/earth that should be right up your ally.






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wheelrite Offline
#21 Posted: Wed, Aug 31 2011, 7:04 PM EST
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FGM

remember most (not all)CCs need to age a good deal of time.

But, I found Juan Lopez and Punch Punch are really good when they're young (but get great with age)..
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#22 Posted: Wed, Aug 31 2011, 7:14 PM EST
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Good thread. I've only smoked a few cubans and they were ok but im not sure if they were authentic cc's. I would like to find out a reliable place Brick wall to get some and find out for myself what i like.
fishinguitarman Offline
#23 Posted: Wed, Aug 31 2011, 7:24 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
FGM

remember most (not all)CCs need to age a good deal of time.

But, I found Juan Lopez and Punch Punch are really good when they're young (but get great with age)..






Thanks, Bill!
TMCTLT Offline
#24 Posted: Wed, Aug 31 2011, 7:25 PM EST
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Thanks for starting this Raymond as I too am CC curious and would very much like to learn more and perhaps eventually get in on some box splits er sumpin......
critter2 Offline
#25 Posted: Wed, Aug 31 2011, 7:36 PM EST
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scdlh and bolivar are my mainstays, although the wife asked me to quit having them sent here and i haven't purchased since about the first of the year. have gone from a cc/day to a cc/sunday. 2 unopened boxes and about a 1/2 box of various and then i am done, unless i pick up some in trade...and there ain't many trades to be had going nc for cc.
critter2 Offline
#26 Posted: Wed, Aug 31 2011, 7:38 PM EST
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and i will be honest, there are a lot of nicarauguans that are as good a smoke, just no twang
wheelrite Offline
#27 Posted: Wed, Aug 31 2011, 7:39 PM EST
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critter2 wrote:
scdlh and bolivar are my mainstays, although the wife asked me to quit having them sent here and i haven't purchased since about the first of the year. have gone from a cc/day to a cc/sunday. 2 unopened boxes and about a 1/2 box of various and then i am done, unless i pick up some in trade...and there ain't many trades to be had going nc for cc.


I usually only smoke my CCs on special occassions. and, I prolly only smoke 3-4 cigars a week,,,
jimbud Offline
#28 Posted: Wed, Aug 31 2011, 7:43 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
Thanks for starting this Raymond as I too am CC curious and would very much like to learn more and perhaps eventually get in on some box splits er sumpin......


Could not have said it better.
fishinguitarman Offline
#29 Posted: Wed, Aug 31 2011, 7:45 PM EST
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WOW! LMAO! THIS...will be a good thread!
fishinguitarman Offline
#30 Posted: Wed, Aug 31 2011, 7:48 PM EST
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Come on Robert...I See you lurkin....


Comment?
dubleuhb Offline
#31 Posted: Wed, Aug 31 2011, 7:51 PM EST
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I have started a shift to acquiring cc's more the last few months. I haven't smoked many at all but have enjoyed every one I have torched. My intent is to start buying and just putting them away to age. If I have enough self control to keep my fingers out of those boxes for a few years and continue acquiring them at this rate I should have a good selection for some time to come. I will continue enjoying my Fuente's, Padron's and the like but as KPP stated the flavor to me is richer and just more natural IMO. The price is another factor that was hit spot on, You can spend the same for a quality box of cc's as you can on any of your big name non cc's today.
rfenst Offline
#32 Posted: Wed, Aug 31 2011, 7:54 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
FGM

remember most (not all)CCs need to age a good deal of time.

But, I found Juan Lopez and Punch Punch are really good when they're young (but get great with age)..


Partagas Shorts are one of the CCs that require little to no aging over the past few year according to what i have read. Some even say OTT.

'08 through '10 are considered to be very good years for CC. Many are ready very young. I have seen some credible reiews from '11 that report some are already good and ready to smoke.
engletl Offline
#33 Posted: Wed, Aug 31 2011, 8:37 PM EST
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SCdlH El Principe & La Punta
RASS
Boli Royal Corona

are my favorites
maxharry Offline
#34 Posted: Wed, Aug 31 2011, 10:37 PM EST
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Somewhat torn about this subject, I think part of the issue is that you go into smoking a cuban with such great expectations that there could be a letdown sometimes.

Kind of agree with the statement that there are so many dam new releases of non CCs coming out that you just can't smoke enough of any one stick to really determine whether you like them or not. I think guys who do not get into the new release buz and really figure out what fits them will have similar experiences to the guys that only smoke CCs.

What I have found is that the 1st third of most cubans I have smoked is a bit of let down but once you get into the second third on they just hit all the right buttons. They are sneaky strong.

Cohiba Esplendido
Monty #2
Cohiba Robusto
PSD4
RASS

Have not really tried any other ones in a large enough quantity to judge.
kcramer Offline
#35 Posted: Wed, Aug 31 2011, 10:51 PM EST
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I theoretically have quite a few on hand. If I had cc's they would be:
Bolivar Coronas Extra
Cohiba Robusto
Cohiba Siglo iv
Partagas Lusitanias
PSD4
Ramon Allones
RyJ Short Churchill
H. Upmann #2
Punch???

I haven't tried the Lusitanias yet (just maybe received them today). The Cohiba Robusto is my favorite followed very close by the PSD4. I thought I was really going to LOVE the Bolivar Coronas Extra being it's one of the strongest Boli's out there, and I really enjoyed the Boli Beli Finos I had. Turns out I didn't love it like I thought I would but it's still a damn fine smoke.

If anyone wants to do a trade for a 3er of the Coronas Extra I'm interested in PSD4's or PSP2's. Of course we could throw a few extra NC's in there for packing material.
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#36 Posted: Wed, Aug 31 2011, 11:51 PM EST
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Theoretically speaking, I have tried every marca and most vitolas produced in the last 10+ years with the exception of a few EL and regional releases. As was stated in another thread, there are probably few who want to trade from their stash since they have invested time in aging what they like for their own consumption.

That being said, I think the maddieheadedho might like to try a Cohiba Secretos Maduro say from PLM '07 origional release? Think

DED
ZRX1200 Offline
#37 Posted: Thu, Sep 1 2011, 12:10 AM EST
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My favorites are :

H Upmann 46
PSD4
Boli (any)
RyJ short churchill

In that order. I have had singles of Punch Punch so no real opinion on it yet.......

Want to try? :

I know better than to list.
TMCTLT Offline
#38 Posted: Thu, Sep 1 2011, 12:40 AM EST
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Really enjoying the read so far, interesting takes and interesting tid-bits of "good to know" stuff!!!
ie: some already ready / pricepoint comparisons Beer
ZRX1200 Offline
#39 Posted: Thu, Sep 1 2011, 12:48 AM EST
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Paul......also there are many 10 ct boxes to be had at pretty similar price points (per stick) if you're not wanting to jump all in on a 25ct box (but splits are easy to find).

I've actually gifted most of mine. When life settles down I'll probably look.
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#40 Posted: Thu, Sep 1 2011, 4:20 AM EST
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KPP wrote:
I'll start of with the WHY Cubans....as I, for a long time, thought they were over-rated. I'm sure many can attest to that, I wasn't shy about that opinion. And that opinion was formed after smoking ones acquired in trades/box passes etc. No idea of their origin, legitimacy or whatever. Not saying they were fakes whatsover...but 75% of them had crappy draws, and flavors were just meh.


This was my initial experience too, and I'd add that most Habanos I'd had were also mild/medium in body and I've becoming more of a full-bodied guy.

Then someone recommended a Bolivar Royal Corona, and while on vacation I picked one up ... huh, it was really good! Anomaly? Then someone at a herf gave me a Bolivar Corona Extra ... Habanos can be spicy? Wow, I like this!

So I compromised and said "I like Bolivar, that's about it." Well, since then I've found a number of others I really like (it helps living in Japan).

In general, I still love Bolivar the most probably, followed by Partagas. I also really dig Trinidad and HdM, although they are both a bit milder than I usually prefer, they have very unique flavor profiles. I'm just starting to explore H. Upmann (LOVE the Mag 46) and Cohiba. Beyond those lines I"m still very inexperienced, and even within those lines I've not yet tried every vitola, and others only once or twice.

Something I'd like to do is track down a couple examples of some of the classics that I've not yet tried (Sir Winston, Fundadores, Esplendidos, Siglo IV with age, Regios, Wide Churchill, Monte Especiales and Petite Edmundo, etc. etc.)

If I had to pick my top sticks at this moment, I'd say the following are all cigars that I've "really liked," the Top 5 listed first, the rest grouped according to marca.

Bolivar Corona Extra
Trinidad Robusto T
Partagas Short
H. Upmann Mag 46
Hoyo de Monterrey le Hoyo Des Deux
*Cohiba Behike (while very good, I'm not sure the 1 sample I had was enough to get a very expensive box)

Bolivar Royal Corona
Bolivar Petite Corona
Bolivar Belicoso Fino
Bolivar Corona Junior
H. Upmann #2
R&J Short Churchill
Partagas 898v
Partagas SP#2
Trinidad Robusto Extra
Trinidad Reyes
Trinidad Coloniales
Hoyo de Monterrey le Hoyo du Roi
Hoyo de Monterrey le Hoyo du Gormet
Hoyo de Monterrey Petite Robusto
Hoyo de Monterrey Epicure #1
Cohiba Lancero
Cohiba Robusto
Cohiba Siglo VI

Two cigars I don't "get" yet are the PSD4 and the Montecristo #4. I've had 5-6 of each of these, 1 was horrible, 3 were "meh," 1 was good, but 1 of each were fanfrickintastic. I've not given up on them, but if QC is this bad I don't want to waste my time.
fishinguitarman Offline
#41 Posted: Thu, Sep 1 2011, 5:24 AM EST
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deadeyedick wrote:
Theoretically speaking, I have tried every marca and most vitolas produced in the last 10+ years with the exception of a few EL and regional releases. As was stated in another thread, there are probably few who want to trade from their stash since they have invested time in aging what they like for their own consumption.

That being said, I think the maddieheadedho might like to try a Cohiba Secretos Maduro say from PLM '07 origional release? Think

DED




I've had 1 of the more recent ones, but not the OR. It was good but not great.


I don't know about scratchin your chin deal there...
fiddler898 Offline
#42 Posted: Thu, Sep 1 2011, 7:27 AM EST
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I've probably tried a dozen or so varieties, not nearly so much as some posters above, and from the get-go (starting about 20 years ago) the PSD4 has been my personal favorite. Right now I have a handful of PSD4 LEs, and think they are stellar, and will get even better. However, just a couple weeks ago tried my first Party 898, and was blown away. I've never had a cigar - CC or NC - say to me before, "If you could only have one kind for the rest of your life, this would be it" but that's what the 898 did for me. Wow, just wow. Also partial to Monte #2 & Boli Belicoso Fino; still, I think so much of it is less "what is the best" and more "what do you really enjoy?" My 2 cents, anyway.

Thanks for getting this thread going; I've often wondered why there isn't more discussion of the topic on these boards.
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#43 Posted: Thu, Sep 1 2011, 7:52 AM EST
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Sad to say,but I've only tried the PSD4.Really enjoyed it,just don't know a reliable place to get CCsThink
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#44 Posted: Thu, Sep 1 2011, 7:58 AM EST
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This thread is useless as far as what "likes and dislikes" are without a relation to the age of the sticks and how they have been stored. Since many only experience these cigars at first through a trade or gift they may be smoking cigars that are going through secondary fermentation (sick period) or need age to be ready.

DED
KPP Offline
#45 Posted: Thu, Sep 1 2011, 8:41 AM EST
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fishinguitarman wrote:
I've had 1 of the more recent ones, but not the OR. It was good but not great.


Not surprising.....although i've smoked only 2 of the Cohiba Maduros now (Genios & a Magicos)...

I was left with 2 thoughts:

1) I won't ever be buying any
2) If I want a Maduro, the NCs do a Maduro better...and cheaper.
ZRX1200 Offline
#46 Posted: Thu, Sep 1 2011, 8:43 AM EST
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DED mine are not gifted, all 09 and stored at 72* and 65%RH.
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#47 Posted: Thu, Sep 1 2011, 9:12 AM EST
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A lot of repeats here in the way of favorites.

I enjoy these the most out of what I have tried:
RASS
PSD4
Monte #2
Sancho Panza beli
Cohiba robusto
Punch Punch

Not to say I have had a lot by any means. I find the Montes fluctuate in enjoyability more than most the others I mention. The RASS is always excellent, but seem to need 3-4 years of chill time.
My .02
fishinguitarman Offline
#48 Posted: Thu, Sep 1 2011, 10:09 AM EST
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RASS = Ramon Allones Specially Selected
JohnE1000 Offline
#49 Posted: Thu, Sep 1 2011, 11:40 AM EST
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I like the idea of cc/pib, but the execution will be difficult. Most CC requires aging. Some for few months, and others for many years. Most noobs obtain CC through trading or bombs, and in the process the origin of CC is lost. And, some others don't have the patience. If CC in not properly aged, it tastes like a dodo. Not to mention the number of fakes out there. Once I traded with a brother here, and I received fake CC. It was an honest mistake, he got them from someone else, and he didn't know better. (I didn't even tell him)

So, when you trade or buy CC, make sure you trade with someone who knows CC, has the box, or bought it himself.

To help you decide on some CC:

Full body:
Monte #2 (best 3+ year of age)
Partagas Serie P #2 (best 2+ year of age)

Medium:
Ramon Allones SS (best value for money 1+ year of age)
Juan Lopaz #1, #2 (Very underrated cigar 1+ year of age)
Partagas Serie D #4 (Best between 1-3 years after that looses flavor)
Partagas 8-9-8(3+ years)
San Cristobal La Punta(2+ years of age)
Bolivar Gold Medal (2+ years)
Bolivar Corona Extra(2+ years)
Por Larranaga Petit Corona ( 5+ years, It tastes very different if not aged)
Cuabo Salomon (It has flavor resemble EDS, 2+ years)
RyJ Short Churchill (3+ years)
Punch Royal Seleccion No. 12 (3+ years)


Light:
Saint Luise Rey Regios (Good out of the box)
R y J Seleccion #3 (3+ years)
H.Upmann #2 (2 + years)
APBTMarcel Offline
#50 Posted: Thu, Sep 1 2011, 12:26 PM EST
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Great thread btw. I have been getting into them more and have been starting to put some away. The problem is aging them and actually waiting long enough to try them. My other problem is gifting them away. It's hard to say if I think they are that good compared to NC's, right now I would say no honestly. I think a big problem is that I have smoked some poorly kept cc's, I'm sure some fakes from buying online from people I don't know well enough, and cigars with not much age.

I have pretty much stopped buying them online because I don't trust most of the people. The people I trust are all pretty much on this site and there aren't any sales, so I am on a quest to find good sources with some aged smokes. I think I have a couple good sources but mainly for newer cigars. It's hard to put cigars away for a few years, taking up all that humi space, and not know if you are going to like the cigars or not. And then lets say in three years you love a certain cigar, well then you have to go and try to find a box from that year and normally people start price gouging.

So for me it's almost too much to think about. I want to smoke my cigars and enjoy them. If I can get an Illusione with a month rest and enjoy it a lot then I'm happy. I really wish CC's smoked great rott because I could judge them and put some away, but so far that has not been the case. I'll take a great nc rott over almost any CC.

I'm sure things will change, but at the moment it's hard for me to put cigars away for a couple of years with my limited space and I don't trust most online auctions as far as aged smokes go.
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