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MACS Offline
#101 Posted: Wed, Sep 27 2023, 12:57 PM EST
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Tough call, there 8trizzle...

Maybe go along for emotional support and point out the pros/cons of each vehicle she looks at. Let her make the decision after you've pointed those things out... and then when she decides, assist in negotiations. Think
rfenst Online
#102 Posted: Wed, Sep 27 2023, 1:49 PM EST
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My best friend Jeff just called me.

His childhood buddy has been Jerry Seinfeld's manager or agent or something for like the last 25 years.

Every time Jeff has gone, he has had awesome tickets and gone backstage afterwards. It's in Tampa at the Hard Rock Casino.

And, I am going for free!!! Applause
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#103 Posted: Wed, Sep 27 2023, 1:54 PM EST
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ThumpUp Beer
rfenst Online
#104 Posted: Wed, Sep 27 2023, 2:04 PM EST
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8trizzle...

Depending on her age and finances, she might be better off with a lease.

Factory-set price. No haggling. Cheaper each month than buying, builds equity (at least Honda's do). I did this for my mom who is 85. Who knows if she'll even be driving in three years?

I have had like 4 new cars over the last 7 years. I have never put a single penny down on a lease. and have rolled my equity over each lease. I presently have $6,000 in equity and have moved up 2 levels to a very nice car that is just 2.5 years old.

Also, this is a great time of year to get a good deal on a 2003 model.

Others will disagree with this. YMMV.
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#105 Posted: Wed, Sep 27 2023, 2:52 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
8trizzle...

Depending on her age and finances, she might be better off with a lease.

Factory-set price. No haggling. Cheaper each month than buying, builds equity (at least Honda's do). I did this for my mom who is 85. Who knows if she'll even be driving in three years?

I have had like 4 new cars over the last 7 years. I have never put a single penny down on a lease. and have rolled my equity over each lease. I presently have $6,000 in equity and have moved up 2 levels to a very nice car that is just 2.5 years old.

Also, this is a great time of year to get a good deal on a 2003 model.

Others will disagree with this. YMMV.

Dang, you are living large, Robert....















BigGrin
HockeyDad Offline
#106 Posted: Wed, Sep 27 2023, 2:55 PM EST
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Need to make sure the car is electric.
Gene363 Offline
#107 Posted: Wed, Sep 27 2023, 3:01 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
8trizzle...

Depending on her age and finances, she might be better off with a lease.

Factory-set price. No haggling. Cheaper each month than buying, builds equity (at least Honda's do). I did this for my mom who is 85. Who knows if she'll even be driving in three years?

I have had like 4 new cars over the last 7 years. I have never put a single penny down on a lease. and have rolled my equity over each lease. I presently have $6,000 in equity and have moved up 2 levels to a very nice car that is just 2.5 years old.

Also, this is a great time of year to get a good deal on a 2003 model.

Others will disagree with this. YMMV.


I'm not a fan of leasing, but you make a good argument for this situation.
MACS Offline
#108 Posted: Wed, Sep 27 2023, 4:46 PM EST
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Yes. Leasing benefits the dealer. Always. You pay for a car you have to give back and then they sell it at a profit. If you put too many miles, you pay for that, too.

The point is to own and drive a car free and clear, right?

Now... in this situation... it may actually be a decent idea. IF the down/monthly is right.
Ram27 Offline
#109 Posted: Wed, Sep 27 2023, 5:41 PM EST
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One Zero NEINER ram27bat
Palama Offline
#110 Posted: Wed, Sep 27 2023, 5:53 PM EST
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Ram27 wrote:
One Zero NEINER ram27bat


One after 109

(Not quite the exact number but Beatles fans should get this)

https://youtu.be/Fd2QANK6hYg?si=TK072NmOSOjmDMcF
rfenst Online
#111 Posted: Wed, Sep 27 2023, 6:44 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Yes. Leasing benefits the dealer. Always. You pay for a car you have to give back and then they sell it at a profit. If you put too many miles, you pay for that, too.

The point is to own and drive a car free and clear, right?

Now... in this situation... it may actually be a decent idea. IF the down/monthly is right.

You do have a right to an end-of-lease buyout at the end that, in the case of every Honda we have ever owned (like 15), has resulted in the value exceeding the fixed buy-out price. Equity, so to speak. Built up with zero down...

You can make sure your lease includes enough miles to suit your need inexpensively...

And, if you don't buy out a Honda at the end of the lease, they let you lease it 6-12 months longer, which decreases the buyout price dollar for dollar and gives additional flexibility at a guaranteed monthly payment rate.

But, we have been over this before and YMMV!

(Amended)
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#112 Posted: Wed, Sep 27 2023, 8:26 PM EST
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Damnit, I misplaced my reading glasses. I had them about an hour ago but forgot where I set them down. I have a couple backup pairs somewhere but they are eluding me.

Could go to Wallyworld and pick up another set but it's not an emergency. Maybe just place another order to Amazon,

Speaking or WallyWorld, it's the end of the summer and beginning of fall. I need a new grill, They probably have a clearance sale on them but not the best for true smokers. I prefer charcoal but a small propane grill will probably fit the bill for steaks, burgers, hot dogs, chicken and stuff (throw a smoker box in there with the desired wood chips)

I'll also need a small smoker, I miss smoking the meat.
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#113 Posted: Wed, Sep 27 2023, 8:35 PM EST
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BuckyB93 wrote:
Damnit, I misplaced my reading glasses. I had them about an hour ago but forgot where I set them down. I have a couple backup pairs somewhere but they are eluding me.

Could go to Wallyworld and pick up another set but it's not an emergency. Maybe just place another order to Amazon,

Speaking or WallyWorld, it's the end of the summer and beginning of fall. I need a new grill, They probably have a clearance sale on them but not the best for true smokers. I prefer charcoal but a small propane grill will probably fit the bill for steaks, burgers, hot dogs, chicken and stuff (throw a smoker box in there with the desired wood chips)

I'll also need a small smoker, I miss smoking the meat.




Man……Not talking
deadeyedick Offline
#114 Posted: Thu, Sep 28 2023, 7:25 AM EST
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Wake up!

Buncha lazy bastids.
8trackdisco Offline
#115 Posted: Thu, Sep 28 2023, 7:31 AM EST
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Four dealerships, a couple of test drives, one negotiation.

We all know the world has changed, and changing so fast, we are all falling behind whether we realize it or not.

What mom can't get a grip on how the pricing landscape has changed so much in the last five years. Like wanting Chipotle meal on a single, Taco Bell burrito budget.

During the negotiations on a 2015 Ford Escape, they went through the "8 Point Inspction". 8? Even on our shpo's oil change check list there are 20 things they look at. Hmmm.

We agreed in principle to a deal, with the caveat of it passing the an inspection at my shop.

Upon arrival, our best mechanic sees the year, make, and model and says "Nope. Don't do it. Bring it back. This year make and model is nothing but problems. Coolent leaks, leading to cracked blocks. The transmisions are sketchy, the transfer cases are garbage. You are looking at $7,000 just in parts. 10k with labor and all the other bs,"

Tough spot to be in. Asked him to give it a look as mom and I went out for lunch. Wasn't 15 minutes later got the call and returned.

The coolent basin was completely dry, and he also confirmed there were no leaks. So much for the 8 Point Inspection. Told me to take the vehicle back immediately and get your downpayment back which we did and are back to Square 1.
danmdevries Offline
#116 Posted: Thu, Sep 28 2023, 8:30 AM EST
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Put in an application for a new job last night. PACU/recovery room. I more just want to ask a thousand questions than I want to try hard in an interview to take the job. I really don't want to give up my week on week off schedule. But it's just getting harder and harder the older I get. Nightshift and bedside in general. It's not something I particularly want to do but my job description/ duties are changing again in a month and it's just too much. I'll 99% sure I'll make no change eat my chit sammich and complain about the flies. But I'm looking.

I'm not willing to compromise on my less than minimum wage job with gridlife so I need a schedule that at the least I can get regular 4-5 day stretches off. I really enjoy that job and being a part of it from a conversation around a campfire to where we are today. That job gives me a sense of purpose and satisfaction that I don't think I can get in my paid job. So if I can't be sure of scheduling I'm not going to move.

Ram27 Offline
#117 Posted: Thu, Sep 28 2023, 8:40 AM EST
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Morning one & all.

Eight I hope you can find a decent vehicle & soon.

Good luck danm on what you decide.
Gene363 Offline
#118 Posted: Thu, Sep 28 2023, 9:26 AM EST
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Good Thursday Morning to All! It's an overcast 64° on the way to 79° today.
deadeyedick Offline
#119 Posted: Thu, Sep 28 2023, 10:54 AM EST
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8track, why not ask your mechanic for a list of used cars/suv that he thinks you should be looking for?
rfenst Online
#120 Posted: Thu, Sep 28 2023, 11:32 AM EST
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8trackdisco wrote:
Four dealerships, a couple of test drives, one negotiation.

We all know the world has changed, and changing so fast, we are all falling behind whether we realize it or not.

What mom can't get a grip on how the pricing landscape has changed so much in the last five years. Like wanting Chipotle meal on a single, Taco Bell burrito budget.

During the negotiations on a 2015 Ford Escape, they went through the "8 Point Inspction". 8? Even on our shpo's oil change check list there are 20 things they look at. Hmmm.

We agreed in principle to a deal, with the caveat of it passing the an inspection at my shop.

Upon arrival, our best mechanic sees the year, make, and model and says "Nope. Don't do it. Bring it back. This year make and model is nothing but problems. Coolent leaks, leading to cracked blocks. The transmisions are sketchy, the transfer cases are garbage. You are looking at $7,000 just in parts. 10k with labor and all the other bs,"

Tough spot to be in. Asked him to give it a look as mom and I went out for lunch. Wasn't 15 minutes later got the call and returned.

The coolent basin was completely dry, and he also confirmed there were no leaks. So much for the 8 Point Inspection. Told me to take the vehicle back immediately and get your downpayment back which we did and are back to Square 1.

Used Honda with a factory warranty to 100k miles? CRV is a GREAT car! So is the Accord if the seat isn't too low for her.
HockeyDad Offline
#121 Posted: Thu, Sep 28 2023, 11:40 AM EST
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Daughter had a used Honda CRV she got as an off lease turn in. Sold it when she moved to NYC.

Buy a new or used Honda. You won’t go wrong.
delta1 Offline
#122 Posted: Thu, Sep 28 2023, 2:14 PM EST
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My sister bought a 2013 Honda Civic. She loved that car. Then her physical ailments made it impossible for her to drive, so she gave the car to my daughter. Solid, trouble free gas sipper that's roomy enough for their young family of four.
DrafterX Offline
#123 Posted: Thu, Sep 28 2023, 3:01 PM EST
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My first bike was a Honda XL 100... Mellow
Ram27 Offline
#124 Posted: Thu, Sep 28 2023, 5:32 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
8trizzle...

Depending on her age and finances, she might be better off with a lease.

Factory-set price. No haggling. Cheaper each month than buying, builds equity (at least Honda's do). I did this for my mom who is 85. Who knows if she'll even be driving in three years?

I have had like 4 new cars over the last 7 years. I have never put a single penny down on a lease. and have rolled my equity over each lease. I presently have $6,000 in equity and have moved up 2 levels to a very nice car that is just 2.5 years old.

Also, this is a great time of year to get a good deal on a 2003 model.

Others will disagree with this. YMMV.





Robert how were you able to lease with "no money down on a lease ? Every lease I see by Honda or others require a down payment on the lease!?!
DrafterX Offline
#125 Posted: Thu, Sep 28 2023, 6:04 PM EST
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Ram..!! Laugh
dkeage Offline
#126 Posted: Thu, Sep 28 2023, 6:11 PM EST
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Ram27 wrote:

Robert how were you able to lease with "no money down on a lease ? Every lease I see by Honda or others require a down payment on the lease!?!



Nepotism? Think
Ram27 Offline
#127 Posted: Thu, Sep 28 2023, 6:15 PM EST
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X.....Herfing
BuckyB93 Offline
#128 Posted: Thu, Sep 28 2023, 7:58 PM EST
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Packers vs Lions. GO PACK GO!
BuckyB93 Offline
#129 Posted: Thu, Sep 28 2023, 8:02 PM EST
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One 2 NINE!
dkeage Offline
#130 Posted: Thu, Sep 28 2023, 8:02 PM EST
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BuckyB93 wrote:
Packers vs Lions. GO PACK GO!

Not looking good
Palama Offline
#131 Posted: Thu, Sep 28 2023, 8:21 PM EST
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dkeage wrote:
Not looking good


FINALLYY! Their first 1st down!

But yah, lookin’ pretty bad so far. Gonz
BuckyB93 Offline
#132 Posted: Thu, Sep 28 2023, 8:45 PM EST
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Agree, not looking good tonight. I'll still root for them.

Me and both of my kids are part owners of the team. Yeah I bought 3 shares of the team for me and both of my kids. They are not worth anything other than bragging rights (no dividends, cant sell them but you can pass them down when you die to family members).

The Packers are the only publicly owned team. If they are ever sold, the proceeds go to Packer charities. Originally the proceeds were to go to a local VFW or something but they changed that and the proceeds would go to the Packer's chosen charities. Bottom line is the Pack will never be sold or moved. The NFL passed a law in the 80's (I think) that no team can be publicly owned except for the Packers. They are grandfathered in and is the only team in the NFL which is owned buy the public and not a single billionaire.

I've had the the team running in my blood for generations. I remember when I was young and if we sat in front of the TV when the Packers (and Brewers) were on, grandpa would yell at us to move aside so he could watch the game.

Packers have had highs and lows over the years during my lifetime but I still root for them.

Wonder how they got their name and the history?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Bay_Packers

Lombardi Trophy.. cough, cough... named after the great Vince Lombardi, a Packer coach .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vince_Lombardi_Trophy

Another piece of history, the Packers have 13 NFL championships. Yep, more than any NFL team in history. Brady and Belechick are only halfway there and will not get any more.
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#133 Posted: Fri, Sep 29 2023, 1:26 AM EST
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I own a couple shares myself. While the ownership may be more symbolic than anything else, I can proudly say I am an owner. How many Dallas Cowgirls fans can say that? jester

Been a Packers fan since I was 7. Read the sports headline one morning: "GB Beats NY For NFL Title". Had no idea who GB, NY or NFL were but thought the picture of Jerry Kramer kicking a FG with the G on the side of the helmet was pretty cool. Slowly learned more but five years later I would buy two books, the "Bart Starr Biography" by John Devaney and a book with the 1966 NFL stats and that cemented my love for football as well as the Packers.

Best publication on the history of the Packers:

https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Greatest_Story_in_Sports_Green_Bay_P.html?id=SUy3zgEACAAJ&source=kp_book_description
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#134 Posted: Fri, Sep 29 2023, 5:15 AM EST
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Never read that book. I should put it on my list. Another good one is When Pride Still Mattered : A Life Of Vince Lombardi

Before they became head coaches, both Vince Lombardi and Tom Landry worked together as offense and defense coordinators for 5 years for the NY Giants in the late 50's.
MACS Offline
#135 Posted: Fri, Sep 29 2023, 5:32 AM EST
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Mornin' dudes...
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#136 Posted: Fri, Sep 29 2023, 5:37 AM EST
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Happy Friday fellas
deadeyedick Offline
#137 Posted: Fri, Sep 29 2023, 6:54 AM EST
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Morning folks.

Youse Packer owners better do something cuz they can't seem to protect their QB.
Cheno Offline
#138 Posted: Fri, Sep 29 2023, 7:15 AM EST
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Happy Friday y'all! 4 soccer games this weekend. Then switching to night shift next week to get all the welding done for the Chicago Marathon.
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#139 Posted: Fri, Sep 29 2023, 8:18 AM EST
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Cool Dudes...
Gene363 Offline
#140 Posted: Fri, Sep 29 2023, 8:39 AM EST
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Good Friday Morning to All! It's 68° on the way to 83° today.
Ram27 Offline
#141 Posted: Fri, Sep 29 2023, 9:01 AM EST
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X and youse all , have a great Friday. Beer
MACS Offline
#142 Posted: Fri, Sep 29 2023, 10:23 AM EST
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Dog walked, gym completed, washed my bits n pieces... doctor's appt at 12:45 and then we'll see what's in store for Friday afternoon.
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#143 Posted: Fri, Sep 29 2023, 1:39 PM EST
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hope all is well BOTL
Ram27 Offline
#144 Posted: Fri, Sep 29 2023, 4:29 PM EST
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Hey Robert waiting on reply for 124 post.Think

Evening gang.......
DrafterX Offline
#145 Posted: Fri, Sep 29 2023, 4:34 PM EST
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I heard he was banned... Mellow
Palama Offline
#146 Posted: Fri, Sep 29 2023, 4:40 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
8trizzle...

Depending on her age and finances, she might be better off with a lease.

Factory-set price. No haggling. Cheaper each month than buying, builds equity (at least Honda's do). I did this for my mom who is 85. Who knows if she'll even be driving in three years?

I have had like 4 new cars over the last 7 years. I have never put a single penny down on a lease. and have rolled my equity over each lease. I presently have $6,000 in equity and have moved up 2 levels to a very nice car that is just 2.5 years old.

Also, this is a great time of year to get a good deal on a 2003 model.

Others will disagree with this. YMMV.


At 20 years old, would the car be considered "vintage"?













jester
DrafterX Offline
#147 Posted: Fri, Sep 29 2023, 5:50 PM EST
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Someone's living in the past... Mellow
Palama Offline
#148 Posted: Fri, Sep 29 2023, 6:05 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Someone's living in the past... Mellow


Mebbe Ian Anderson?

https://youtu.be/m__wmsIn99E?si=K3Gt6b5rIpVW9yef
HockeyDad Offline
#149 Posted: Fri, Sep 29 2023, 6:55 PM EST
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Go Astros!
BuckyB93 Offline
#150 Posted: Fri, Sep 29 2023, 7:15 PM EST
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Palama wrote:
Mebbe Ian Anderson?

https://youtu.be/m__wmsIn99E?si=K3Gt6b5rIpVW9yef


BigGrin

I do enjoy Jethro Tull music. I used to have a bunch of their albums on vinyl but I sold them off back in the day and went to MP3 (in hindsight that was a wrong choice). I have the whole collection on MP3 and listen to them. I'm not sure Ian Anderson is in the stupid Rock and Roll Hall of Fame but if not, he should be.

They did a lot of great music and great lyrics. A good entry level of Jethro Tull is Thick As A Brick and Aquualung. Rock and Roll with a flute??? That doesn't happen much. The lyrics make you think and reflect on stuff. At least it has done for me.

Side note, HockeyDad missed a nine.
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