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Why isn't there a thread about the debacle in the House of Representatives?
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HockeyDad wrote:
Charcuterie is just a Lunchable for adults.




Served on a nice wood platter.
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They could come together with the Democrats and pass a balanced budget that brings in enough surplus to pay off the national debt in 33 years.

All they need to do is maintain spending at current levels and increase every federal tax source by 48.7% of what it is today.
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rfenst wrote:
Got a better, realistic, proposal?


It was an honest, realistic observance by the late conservative journalist, author and educator, M. Stanton Evans who said:

"We have two parties here, and only two. One is the evil party, and the other is the stupid party. ... I'm very proud to be a member of the stupid party. ... Occasionally, the two parties get together to do something that's both evil and stupid. That's called bipartisanship."

I propose that whenever the evil party and the stupid party get together doing bipartisanship, it's time to pause and reflect because the outcome will very likely be evil and stupid.

Of course, you are free to disagree and show me how that is wrong. Good Luck.

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HockeyDad wrote:
They could come together with the Democrats and pass a balanced budget that brings in enough surplus to pay off the national debt in 33 years.

All they need to do is maintain spending at current levels and increase every federal tax source by 48.7% of what it is today.


That kind of bipartisanship would be very unpopular with the proles and would likely lead to an insurrection so they do as they have always done...kick the can down the road and pray they are no longer alive when the chickens come home to roost.
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RayR wrote:
That kind of bipartisanship would be very unpopular with the proles and would likely lead to an insurrection so they do as they have always done...kick the can down the road and pray they are no longer alive when the chickens come home to roost.



That is exactly my strategy! They have my full support.
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I think we need to confiscate the wealth of every democrat with a net worth over $1million to pay the debt down before another penny is spent.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I think we need to confiscate the wealth of every democrat with a net worth over $1million to pay the debt down before another penny is spent.

If you believe in that, why not Republican's wealth too?


Donald Trump Built a National Debt So Big (Even Before the Pandemic) That It’ll Weigh Down the Economy for Years

The “King of Debt” promised to reduce the national debt — then his tax cuts made it surge. Add in the pandemic, and he oversaw the third-biggest deficit increase of any president.



ProPublica

One of President Donald Trump’s lesser known but profoundly damaging legacies will be the explosive rise in the national debt that occurred on his watch. The financial burden that he’s inflicted on our government will wreak havoc for decades, saddling our kids and grandkids with debt.

The national debt has risen by almost $7.8 trillion during Trump’s time in office. That’s nearly twice as much as what Americans owe on student loans, car loans, credit cards and every other type of debt other than mortgages, combined, according to data from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. It amounts to about $23,500 in new federal debt for every person in the country.

The growth in the annual deficit under Trump ranks as the third-biggest increase, relative to the size of the economy, of any U.S. presidential administration, according to a calculation by a leading Washington budget maven, Eugene Steuerle, co-founder of the Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center. And unlike George W. Bush and Abraham Lincoln, who oversaw the larger relative increases in deficits, Trump did not launch two foreign conflicts or have to pay for a civil war.


Economists agree that we needed massive deficit spending during the COVID-19 crisis to ward off an economic cataclysm, but federal finances under Trump had become dire even before the pandemic. That happened even though the economy was booming and unemployment was at historically low levels. By the Trump administration’s own description, the pre-pandemic national debt level was already a “crisis” and a “grave threat.”

The combination of Trump’s 2017 tax cut and the lack of any serious spending restraint helped both the deficit and the debt soar. So when the once-in-a-lifetime viral disaster slammed our country and we threw more than $3 trillion into COVID-19-related stimulus, there was no longer any margin for error.

Our national debt has reached immense levels relative to our economy, nearly as high as it was at the end of World War II. But unlike 75 years ago, the massive financial overhang from Medicare and Social Security will make it dramatically more difficult to dig ourselves out of the debt ditch.

Falling deeper into the red is the opposite of what Trump, the self-styled “King of Debt,” said would happen if he became president. In a March 31, 2016, interview with Bob Woodward and Robert Costa of The Washington Post, Trump said he could pay down the national debt, then about $19 trillion, “over a period of eight years” by renegotiating trade deals and spurring economic growth.

After he took office, Trump predicted that economic growth created by the 2017 tax cut, combined with the proceeds from the tariffs he imposed on a wide range of goods from numerous countries, would help eliminate the budget deficit and let the U.S. begin to pay down its debt. On July 27, 2018, he told Sean Hannity of Fox News: “We have $21 trillion in debt. When this [the 2017 tax cut] really kicks in, we’ll start paying off that debt like it’s water.”

Nine days later, he tweeted, “Because of Tariffs we will be able to start paying down large amounts of the $21 trillion in debt that has been accumulated, much by the Obama Administration.”

That’s not how it played out. When Trump took office in January 2017, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office was projecting that federal budget deficits would be 2% to 3% of our gross domestic product during Trump’s term. Instead, the deficit reached nearly 4% of gross domestic product in 2018 and 4.6% in 2019.


There were multiple culprits. Trump’s tax cuts, especially the sharp reduction in the corporate tax rate to 21% from 35%, took a big bite out of federal revenue. The CBO estimated in 2018 that the tax cut would increase deficits by about $1.9 trillion over 11 years.

Meanwhile, Trump’s claim that increased revenue from the tariffs would help eliminate (or at least reduce) our national debt hasn’t panned out. In 2018, Trump’s administration began hiking tariffs on aluminum, steel and many other products, launching what became a global trade war with China, the European Union and other countries.

The tariffs did bring in additional revenue. In fiscal 2019, they netted about $71 billion, up about $36 billion from President Barack Obama’s last year in office. But although $36 billion is a lot of money, it’s less than 1/750th of the national debt. That $36 billion could have covered a bit more than three weeks of interest on the national debt — that is, had Trump not unilaterally decided to send a chunk of the tariff revenue to farmers affected by his trade wars. Businesses that struggled as a result of the tariffs also paid fewer taxes, offsetting some of the increased tariff revenue.

By early 2019, the national debt had climbed to $22 trillion. Trump’s budget proposal for 2020 called it a “grave threat to our economic and societal prosperity” and asserted that the U.S. was experiencing a “national debt crisis.” However, that same budget proposal included substantial growth in the national debt.

By the end of 2019, the debt had risen to $23.2 trillion and more federal officials were sounding the alarm. “Not since World War II has the country seen deficits during times of low unemployment that are as large as those that we project — nor, in the past century, has it experienced large deficits for as long as we project,” Phillip Swagel, director of the CBO, said in January 2020.

[color=blue]Weeks later, COVID-19 erupted and made the financial situation far worse. As of Dec. 31, 2020, the national debt had jumped to $27.75 trillion, up 39% from $19.95 trillion when Trump was sworn in.
The government ended its 2020 fiscal year with the portion of the national debt owed to investors, the metric favored by the CBO, at around 100% of GDP. The CBO had predicted less than a year earlier that it would take until 2030 to reach that approximate level of debt. Including the trillions owed to various governmental trust funds, the total debt is now about 130% of GDP.

Normally, this is where we’d give you Trump’s version of events. But we couldn’t get anyone to give us Trump’s side. Judd Deere, a White House spokesman, referred us to the Office of Management and Budget, which is a branch of the White House.

OMB didn’t respond to our requests. The Treasury directed us to comments made by OMB director Russell Vought in October, in which he predicted that as the pandemic eases and economic growth rebounds, the “fiscal picture” will improve. The OMB blamed legislators for deficits when Trump submitted his proposed 2021 budget: “Unfortunately, the Congress continues to reject any efforts to restrain spending. Instead, they have greatly contributed to the continued ballooning of Federal debt and deficits, putting the Nation’s fiscal future at risk.”

Still, the deficit growth under Trump has been historic. Steuerle, of the Tax Policy Center, has done a comparison of every American president using a metric called the “primary deficit.” It’s defined as the deficit minus interest costs, because interest is the only budget expense that presidents and Congress can’t control unless they want to do the unthinkable and default on the debt. Steuerle examined the records of 45 presidents to see how the primary deficit had shrunk or grown relative to the size of the economy between the first and final years of each president’s administration.

Trump had the third-biggest primary deficit growth, 5.2% of GDP, behind only George W. Bush (11.7%) and Abraham Lincoln (9.4%). Bush, of course, not only passed a big tax cut, as Trump has, but also launched two wars, which greatly inflated the defense budget. Lincoln had to pay for the Civil War. By contrast, Trump’s wars have been almost entirely of the political variety.

Our national debt is now at its highest level relative to our economy since the end of World War II. After the war ended, the extraordinary military expenses disappeared, a postwar recovery began and the debt began to fall rapidly relative to the size of the economy.

But that’s not going to happen this time. When World War II ended 75 years ago, Social Security was in its infancy and Medicare didn’t exist. Today, many of our biggest and most rapidly growing expenses, especially Social Security and Medicare, are baked into the budget because of our nation’s aging population. These outlays are slated to rise sharply. Steuerle recently calculated that Social Security, health care and interest costs are projected to absorb 122% of the total growth in federal revenues from 2019 to 2030.

What’s more, our investment in the future — things like research and development, education, infrastructure, workforce training and such — is declining as a proportion of the budget. OMB data shows that in 1970, mandatory spending (such as Social Security and Medicare, but not including interest on the debt) and investment each made up around 30% of total federal spending. But as of 2019, the most recent available year, mandatory spending had doubled to around 61% of total federal spending while investment fell by more than half, to around 12.5%.

Mandatory Spending Outstrips Investment in the Future
Mandatory and investment spending as a percentage of total U.S. government spending from 1970 to 2019. Mandatory (also known as nondiscretionary) spending includes programs such as Social Security and Medicare, while investment includes infrastructure, research and development, education and training.

Spending more and more on past promises and shrinking the proportion of spending for the future doesn’t bode well for our kids and grandkids. Had Trump done what he said he’d do and paid off part of the national debt before COVID-19 struck rather than adding significantly to the debt, the situation would be considerably less dire. And had Trump done a better job of coping with COVID-19, the economic and human costs would’ve been greatly reduced.

In addition to forcing us to reduce the proportion of the budget spent on the future to help pay for the past, there’s a second reason that huge and growing budget deficits matter: interest costs.

Bigger debt ultimately means bigger interest costs, even in an era when the Federal Reserve has forced down Treasury rates to ultralow levels. The government’s interest cost (including interest paid to government trust funds) was around $523 billion in the 2020 fiscal year. That outstrips all spending on education, employment training, research and social services, Treasury data shows.

Interest costs are way below where they’d be if the Fed hadn’t forced rates down to try to stimulate the economy and mitigate the impact of the pandemic. One-year Treasury securities cost taxpayers a minuscule 0.10% in interest at year-end, down from 1.59% at the end of 2019. The 10-year Treasury rate was 0.93%, down from 1.92%.

In late December, the Fed reported boosting its Treasury holdings by more than $2 trillion from a year earlier. The increase is primarily in longer-term securities. That has kept the federal government from having to raise trillions of dollars in the capital markets, and therefore has kept longer-term interest rates way below where they would otherwise be.

But unless something changes, even the Fed’s promise to keep interest rates near current levels for several years won’t fend off future problems. Most of the government’s borrowing to fund pandemic relief has been shorter-term borrowing that will have to be refinanced in the coming years. If rates rise, so will the government’s interest expense.

Even with rates where they are, interest on the debt is already going to be the fastest-growing budget category this decade, according to the Peter G. Peterson Foundation, which tracks the issue. Annual net interest costs are projected to double in 10 years and grow so large beyond 2030 that interest will become a driving factor in annual deficit growth, according to Peterson estimates.

Listen to what CBO Director Swagel had to say on the subject in a report to congressional Republicans in December: “Although the current low interest rates indicate that the debt is manageable for now and that the United States is not facing an immediate fiscal crisis, in which interest rates abruptly escalated or other disruptions occurred, the risk and potential budgetary consequences of such a crisis become greater over time.”

As shooting rates among the young remain stratospheric, evidence suggests social media is serving as an accelerant to violence. Taunts that once could be forgotten now live on before large audiences, prompting people to take action.

Trump was asked about this risk during a virtual discussion with the Economic Club of New York last October. “If we have another stimulus bill out of Congress, are you worried that the entire amount of federal debt will be too large for us to pay off in a sensible way?” asked David Rubenstein, a private equity executive.

Trump answered by falsely claiming that the U.S. was starting to pay off the national debt before the pandemic, and he claimed that future economic growth would let it do so. “I think you’re going to see tremendous growth, David, and the growth is going to get it done,” Trump said.

Two months later, when Congress finally approved $900 billion of economic stimulus that is being financed with debt, Trump challenged Congress to spend — and borrow — even more. Then he went golfing.
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Robert, the STUPID PARTY couldn't have created that National Debt without the bipartisan support of the EVIL PARTY.
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RayR wrote:
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Robert, the STUPID PARTY couldn't have created that National Debt without the bipartisan support of the EVIL PARTY.

Duh...
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Nothing happens in a vacuum. Who all was involved again? I recall conversations about budgets over a couple POTUS now…. And I don’t remember sitting on a squishy fence post at any time and asking “daddy can I have another?”
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Nothing happens in a vacuum. Who all was involved again? I recall conversations about budgets over a couple POTUS now…. And I don’t remember sitting on a squishy fence post at any time and asking “daddy can I have another?”


Yep.
The debt went up 2.something trillion with Obama in.
7 trillion under the Trumpster. So....

Good luck to us.

We'd need a courageous leader who has to be okay with not getting re-elected, get the budget under 30 trillion and call it a day.

Of course the follow up president would splash the cash, giving the citizenry a cash-sugar rush and we'd be back at 33t, and the Dem Douche would get re-elected.

Last balanced budget- Bill Clinton.
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LMMFPWAO he got dragged kicking and screaming into that
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No more CRs…..pass a budget and put your names on it with the votes you cowards in both parties.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
No more CRs…..pass a budget and put your names on it with the votes you cowards in both parties.


That's just crazy talk there!

Sarcasm
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LMMFPWAO he got dragged kicking and screaming into that


It is going to take a whole lot more than Kicking and Screaming to get in the neighborhood of a balanced budget.

Indulge me… Definition of LMMFPWAO? I don’t have that one in my lexicon.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
No more CRs…..pass a budget and put your names on it with the votes you cowards in both parties.


Agree with that.

But first, can today be the day the Rs pull their heads out of their collective ashes?
Moderate, ham sandwich, a cashew. Buehler?

Figure out a formulary which for every dollar that goes to defending Israel and Ukraine, put $2 toward controlling out southern boarder and start killing off cartel people.

Really liked Bernie’s idea for additional funding for childcare.

We’ve got a declining birth rate and he pushes abortions, but there still needs more money for tax payer funded childcare? GTFOOH with that chit.
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Just saw some of the numbers.

60 billion (additional) for Ukraine.
15 billion for Israel.

Don’t know how much has gone to Ukraine, but they have had at least 150 billion.

What the government is essentially saying, is Ukraine is 10x more important than Israel?
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C Span live.

McCarthy just endorsed Jordan.
Now The 8 HAS TO shoot Jordan down because McCarthy is McCarthy, right?
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8trackdisco wrote:
Just saw some of the numbers.

60 billion (additional) for Ukraine.
15 billion for Israel.

Don’t know how much has gone to Ukraine, but they have had at least 150 billion.

What the government is essentially saying, is Ukraine is 10x more important than Israel?


Actually is worse than that.

There's ZERO accountability for the money/munitions/weaponry that's been sent. Multiple people have stolen it and we all know Ukraine is Pedo Joe's slush fund. The saying "Kick up 10% to the "Big Guy"" means something.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/24/world/europe/ukraine-corruption-firing-western-aid.html

https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-defense-ministry-embezzlement-food-sbu/32254492.html

https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/nigerian-president-says-weapons-moving-from-ukraine-to-africa/


Now, President Corky wants to send 100 million to Palestine? That's code for Hamas, whether you know it or not. The aid NEVER reaches the people that nobody wants and are used as shields by Hamas. It always has and always will be.

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/israel-hamas-war-biden/card/u-s-to-send-100-million-in-humanitarian-assistance-for-gaza-west-bank-haFpgFKa45grws0tP4sG


Now add the other hotspots around the globe Greece/Turkey, Syria/Russia/USA, China/Pakistan, Toss Iran into a couple of those as well and you can never discount North Korea...drain off our own Strategic Petroleum Reserve to levels we've not seen since it was built and our own dwindling military readiness to resupply our own forces and it's another day to fall down on the ground, mumble how you're doing something great with a whisper and then flail bay fists around with angry man tone the next minute to garner attention and we have the Biden Administration at its finest.
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Wonder how many cents on each dollar goes to graft and corruption. Am sure it is worse in Ukraine. Can’t we find a way to continue bleed Putin on a budget?

How much in yearly defense spending do we send to Israel currently? Any reliable source numbers?

The vote is going on now. They are in the Ns. 21 Other votes already.
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Final Score in America’s favorite game show- Republicans Can’t Find Their Asssssss.

Jeffries 210
Jordan 194
Other 25

Pending a couple stragglers.
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We don’t need a moderate….so sick of this argument.

If you’re using this language you’ve surrender to the unipartie’s rules of language appropriation.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
We don’t need a moderate….so sick of this argument.

If you’re using this language you’ve surrender to the unipartie’s rules of language appropriation.


Do you really want the government to ping pong between the extremes of each party? I’m in favor of reducing/eliminating the deficit. For a time, I was in favor of an amendment to the constitution requiring a balanced budget. Upon further review, it would have tied the government’s ability to maneuver in a case of a true emergency.

Restraint- not tying the hands. There is a difference. There does need to be a whole lot more restraint.

If you want no compromise, these last two and a half weeks has to be a near ultimate experience in your world. In that case, be thankful.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
We don’t need a moderate….so sick of this argument.

If you’re using this language you’ve surrender to the unipartie’s rules of language appropriation.


A pragmatic moderate is EXACTLY what this country needs. Anything else is dumber than the proverbial box of rocks. To think that any one agenda will have more than a 4 year shelf life is asinine. We need legislation that considers the vast majority of citizens, not **** that divides a country.

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We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


I'm amazed that anyone with more than 2 brain cells would think any MEANINGFUL legislation can pass without a consensus. Absent that, then the next time the pendulum swings the other way what was most recently passed will be undone. Without meaningful legislation we just have more of the same. Absent such we continue on the same path we're on. How the **** can anyone whose head is not buried up to their ass in sand not see that?

While I'm at it anyone who blames the Democrats for the absence of a speaker is equally stupid. The Republicans are the majority party. Yet, they can't find a candidate that they can vote into that position. The Democrats and for that matter every sane voter is watching them fail in their bid to lead.

It's absolutely no **** wonder that they were unable to take control of the Senate and win a larger majority in the house than they did while having a President of the opposition party who had an approval rating lower than a rattlesnake's belly. They are clueless.

If you offended by what I've posted, let me bend over so you can kiss my ass.
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8trackdisco wrote:
Do you really want the government to ping pong between the extremes of each party? I’m in favor of reducing/eliminating the deficit. For a time, I was in favor of an amendment to the constitution requiring a balanced budget. Upon further review, it would have tied the government’s ability to maneuver in a case of a true emergency.

Restraint- not tying the hands. There is a difference. There does need to be a whole lot more restraint.

If you want no compromise, these last two and a half weeks has to be a near ultimate experience in your world. In that case, be thankful.

+1
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Abrignac wrote:
A pragmatic moderate is EXACTLY what this country needs. Anything else is dumber than the proverbial box of rocks. To think that any one agenda will have more than a 4 year shelf life is asinine. We need legislation that considers the vast majority of citizens, not **** that divides a country.



I'm amazed that anyone with more than 2 brain cells would think any MEANINGFUL legislation can pass without a consensus. Absent that, then the next time the pendulum swings the other way what was most recently passed will be undone. Without meaningful legislation we just have more of the same. Absent such we continue on the same path we're on. How the **** can anyone whose head is not buried up to their ass in sand not see that?

While I'm at it anyone who blames the Democrats for the absence of a speaker is equally stupid. The Republicans are the majority party. Yet, they can't find a candidate that they can vote into that position. The Democrats and for that matter every sane voter is watching them fail in their bid to lead.

It's absolutely no **** wonder that they were unable to take control of the Senate and win a larger majority in the house than they did while having a President of the opposition party who had an approval rating lower than a rattlesnake's belly. They are clueless.

If you offended by what I've posted, let me bend over so you can kiss my ass.

Word.
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Abrignac wrote:
A pragmatic moderate is EXACTLY what this country needs. Anything else is dumber than the proverbial box of rocks. To think that any one agenda will have more than a 4 year shelf life is asinine. We need legislation that considers the vast majority of citizens, not **** that divides a country.



I'm amazed that anyone with more than 2 brain cells would think any MEANINGFUL legislation can pass without a consensus. Absent that, then the next time the pendulum swings the other way what was most recently passed will be undone. Without meaningful legislation we just have more of the same. Absent such we continue on the same path we're on. How the **** can anyone whose head is not buried up to their ass in sand not see that?

While I'm at it anyone who blames the Democrats for the absence of a speaker is equally stupid. The Republicans are the majority party. Yet, they can't find a candidate that they can vote into that position. The Democrats and for that matter every sane voter is watching them fail in their bid to lead.

It's absolutely no **** wonder that they were unable to take control of the Senate and win a larger majority in the house than they did while having a President of the opposition party who had an approval rating lower than a rattlesnake's belly. They are clueless.

If you offended by what I've posted, let me bend over so you can kiss my ass.



BTW Jamie this wasn’t directed at you. I was originally responding to your post then the natural course of things manifested.
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Nine (9) new R candidates for Speaker!
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Just thought of something...maybe this will speed things along in the House...President Patty Murray.

If Pedo Joe were to kick off someone would take out Kameltoes. Nobody wants to hear he cackling!
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I might not fully understand how this works. Here is what I thought was happening.

-Scalise came up X number of votes short, and got pulled.
-Jordan gets three attemps, and in each round he does worse each time.
-8 people, less popular than Scalise and Jordan, vying for the job.

Of the 8, the person with the most votes (Emmer) is going up for a vote.
-He finds out 26 Republicans plan to vote against him, so he withdraws.

Groundhogs Day.

The solution? Revote for someone even less popular.

If I'm not careful, I'm going to start feeling sorry for Repubicans. As a group, they should probably be wearing headgear and asking strangers Have you seen my baseball?
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Just thought of something...maybe this will speed things along in the House...President Patty Murray
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The Canadian singer that did Songbird and You Needed Me?

Think a ham sammich probably has the inside track, but I see it. Might be a deadheat.

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It’s fuqin disgraceful.
One party is corrupt, but somewhat functional.
The other party is dysfunctional, and somewhat corrupt.

We are so screwed…..
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KingoftheCove wrote:
It’s fuqin disgraceful.
One party is corrupt, but somewhat functional.
The other party is dysfunctional, and somewhat corrupt.

We are so screwed…..


Very succinct.
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Remember... the folks that said Trump would crash the economy and start WW3...

Have crashed the economy and started WW3.
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MACS wrote:
Remember... the folks that said Trump would crash the economy and start WW3...

Have crashed the economy and started WW3.


It's my observation that those same folks will deny that anything is wrong with the direction they've taken the economy and foreign policy will blame everything else on Trump.
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hmmm...I have more in common with Ant than I thought...what happened to the bombastic blowhard who spoke unintelligible nonsense? I loved that guy...
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KingoftheCove wrote:
It’s fuqin disgraceful.
One party is corrupt, but somewhat functional.
The other party is dysfunctional, and somewhat corrupt.

We are so screwed…..

Both corrupt.
Both dysfunctional.
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Al are you talking about stePHan?

America just got a big dose of Johnson!
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#89 Posted:
Joined: 06-23-2007
Posts: 39,349
Mike Johnson:

Abortion: Johnson supports a national abortion ban. While in Congress, he has supported bills outlawing it both at fertilisation and 15-weeks.

Climate change: During a town hall in 2017, Johnson questioned anthropogenic climate change.

Medical marijuana: In 2016, Johnson opposed the expansion of medical marijuana in Louisiana. He argued that medical marijuana can actually worsen some conditions.

Immigration: Johnson supported President Donald Trump's 2017 executive order to prohibit immigration from seven predominantly Muslim countries, saying: "This is not an effort to ban any religion, but rather an effort to adequately protect our homeland.

Donald Trump: In 2019, Johnson said, "President Trump cooperated fully with the [Special Counsel Mueller] investigation."

In December 2020, Johnson was one of 126 Republican members of the House of Representatives to sign .... a lawsuit filed at the United States Supreme Court contesting the results of the 2020 presidential election ... The Supreme Court declined to hear the case.

In January 2021, Johnson was one of 147 members of Congress to vote[d] to overturn the results of the 2020 United States presidential election.

LGBT rights: Johnson is a strong opponent of LGBT rights.

Prayer in public schools: For student-led prayer and religious expression in public schools.

Young Earth Creationism: believes that the Earth was created approximately between 6,000 and 10,000 years ago.

He supported government-provided tax breaks for their Ark Encounter theme park in Kentucky.





(Wikipedia)
ZRX1200 Offline
#90 Posted:
Joined: 07-08-2007
Posts: 60,628
You’re my dead pan straight guy now?

Ok I’ll take it, but I get too billing and you’re paying your fair share of travel expenses.
HockeyDad Offline
#91 Posted:
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Time to get back to a work and put our children and grandchildren another trillion dollars in debt.
ZRX1200 Offline
#92 Posted:
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“You know 60 billion, what do ya get. Another day older and deeper in debt”

If Sniffy don’t keep the Krains happy they’ll let the dead man’s package loose on sniffy and the coke Caboose illegitimate baby maker.

American SECURITY is at risk damn it!!!!
8trackdisco Offline
#93 Posted:
Joined: 11-06-2004
Posts: 60,087
Hey! (slow clapping) You got one over the line!

Figured something big must have happened to get all the embarrassed Republicans out of their self imposed posting exile.

Although they didn't get Jordan, they got Jordan Lite?

Not exactly what the Freedom Caucus wanted, but to the right of McCarthy and Scalise.

Is that a far representation of Mike Johnson?
8trackdisco Offline
#94 Posted:
Joined: 11-06-2004
Posts: 60,087
ZRX1200 wrote:
“You know 60 billion, what do ya get. Another day older and deeper in debt”

If Sniffy don’t keep the Krains happy they’ll let the dead man’s package loose on sniffy and the coke Caboose illegitimate baby maker.

American SECURITY is at risk damn it!!!!


If you want to slash the deficit, run "RINOs" everywhere, take the white house and both sides of congress and slash away.

(Or)

You can run more walking jokes like Walker & Oz which will punch your tickets to bicht and cry for four more years.
RobertHively Offline
#95 Posted:
Joined: 01-14-2015
Posts: 1,884
delta1 wrote:
what happened to the bombastic blowhard who spoke unintelligible nonsense? I loved that guy...



Me too, but Victor's gone man.

He picked a fight with the wrong homeless person; they got the blue collar homeless in the Midwest.
RobertHively Offline
#96 Posted:
Joined: 01-14-2015
Posts: 1,884
HockeyDad wrote:
Everything will change now.


I agree.
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