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Krugman...Good For A Laugh!
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Paul Krugman Declares Victory Over Inflation and the Hilarious Response Is What We Need



As things seem to be falling into chaos around the world, there are a few things we can count on.

Joe Biden will tell a story that isn't true, and Paul Krugman will be wrong.

We've covered some of Krugman's highlights (or perhaps we should say lowlights) in the past. Last month, he even tried to shovel some malarkey about "how quickly and how painless the inflation has come down." Um, it's been ongoing since 2021 and has cost Americans hundreds more each month; how is that painless? Plus, the rising interest rates in response are also hitting Americans hard.

But this new remark from Krugman is definitely a candidate for the Krugman Best of the Worst list.

As Biden's team pushes ridiculous praises of "Bidenomics," Krugman seemed to be running some hilarious cover for the big problem with Biden's claims -- Bidenflation.

The war on inflation is over. We won, at very little cost pic.twitter.com/opumf3nEvL
— Paul Krugman (@paulkrugman) October 12, 2023


Now, this is pretty funny if you check his subheading.

He's arguing inflation is over -- if you discount everything that matters, like food, energy, and shelter. How ridiculous an assertion is that? How can you take such a person seriously?

As you can see, Community Notes wasn't having any of that, calling the omission of the critical categories "misleading."

Then, too, did you notice it was over? I didn't. Nor did media that reported consumer prices rose in September, more than expected. We're all still getting killed by the high prices. "At very little cost"? You can tell he has no idea about the trials of the American people having to struggle with the higher prices over the past two years.

Prices that consumers pay for a wide variety of goods and services increased at a slightly faster-than-expected pace in September, keeping inflation in the spotlight for policymakers.

The consumer price index, a closely followed inflation gauge, increased 0.4% on the month and 3.7% from a year ago, according to a Labor Department report Thursday. That compared with respective Dow Jones estimates of 0.3% and 3.6%. Headline inflation increased 0.6% in August.

Even though it has reduced from the high point under Biden, it's still higher than it was when Biden came into office. Moreover, I'm not sure who he's considering fought the "war on inflation" since Biden drove it up with excessive government spending.

It’s a good thing nobody needs food, energy, shelter, or transportation. https://t.co/nB286JYTx4
— Ted Cruz (@tedcruz) October 13, 2023


It's been such a **** week so thank you for the laugh. Guys, if you exclude food, energy, shelter or used cars, we're doing super great! https://t.co/iikrCyRq5S
— Karol Markowicz (@karol) October 12, 2023


Just don’t buy things you need and everything is affordable.
— Karol Markowicz (@karol) October 12, 2023


"The price of sunblock, miniature golf admissions, tinted contact lenses and cellphone cases have all stabilized -- INFLATION IS OVER! (just do not go grocery shopping)"

-- Krugman https://t.co/r5SYmyzXqW
— Brad Slager: CNN+ Lifetime Subscriber (@MartiniShark) October 12, 2023


We beat Krugman to this joke by 2 years https://t.co/74ExW2oXD5 pic.twitter.com/13fvSryFcf
— Kyle Mann (@The_Kyle_Mann) October 12, 2023


You always have the best analysis. pic.twitter.com/eLIB9t6cjn
— Brian Nichols (@BNicholsLiberty) October 12, 2023


https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2023/10/13/we-can-always-count-on-paul-krugman-to-be-wrong-n2165018



Frying pan Frying pan Frying pan

That guy is less correct than Jim Kramer! At least you can understand the "pump & dump" game afoot with him.
ZRX1200 Offline
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He’s on the short list of ______ insert <- here interviews for MSM when they have a desired narrative.
rfenst Online
#3 Posted:
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God forbid he should consistently use a different set of variables to explain his measurement of what is going on. than the one you might want him to use.

And, it is probably mathematically true. For example, my mortgage is 3.5% and my mortgage hasn't gone up due to inflation. My car payment hasn't gone up due to inflation. Gas and food prices have gone up.

By excluding and interchanging variables consistently as many economists have been doing over the last 1.5 years, one can find root causes. That is not his only measure of inflation, just one formula for analysis and comparison over time. He is also not the only one to measure inflation this one way in addition to multiple others.

My opinion is based on 24 credit hours of economics and 24 credit hours of finance, not politics, and regular daily/weekly reading economic articles in several varied newspapers and The Economist.
RayR Offline
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Predictably Krugman fudges the numbers to come to his desired Keynesian conclusions.
One indisputable truth is that wars & inflation thrive on deception.
You probably didn't learn that in your studies Robert.
MACS Offline
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My opinion is based on how much more sh*t costs now. I don't need a degree in economics.

BTW - Thomas Sowell has a degree in economics... and is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institute. I think we'd both agree he is MUCH smarter than you, I or Paul f'n Krugman.

I'd like to see the Thomas Sowell v Paul Krugman debate on the current state of inflation.
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RayR wrote:
Predictably Krugman fudges the numbers to come to his desired Keynesian conclusions.
One indisputable truth is that wars & inflation thrive on deception.
You probably didn't learn that in your studies Robert.

I learned things you likely have no conception of.
RayR Offline
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MACS wrote:
My opinion is based on how much more sh*t costs now. I don't need a degree in economics.

BTW - Thomas Sowell has a degree in economics... and is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institute. I think we'd both agree he is MUCH smarter than you, I or Paul f'n Krugman.

I'd like to see the Thomas Sowell v Paul Krugman debate on the current state of inflation.


Thomas Sowell is 93 years old, was a Marxist in his youngin' days and just came out with a new book, 'Social Justice Fallacies'. It's far better to listen to anything Sowell has to say about economics and social issues than that Lefty-Keynesian Paul Krugman.
RayR Offline
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rfenst wrote:
I learned things you likely have no conception of.


OK, I'm intrigued and titillated by the prospect of knowing what is unknown to me. Care to give me some?
rfenst Online
#9 Posted:
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Gas Prices Fueled Summer Inflation. That Is About to Change.

Prices at the pump are tumbling, even as war rages in the Middle East


WSJ

Gasoline markets have shifted into reverse.

Wholesale costs have slid in recent weeks, undoing a late-summer run-up that sparked fears of an inflationary shock while promising relief to drivers and the Federal Reserve. Already, gas stations around the U.S. are cutting prices at the pump, a trend that traders on Wall Street suggest will continue in the coming weeks.


The about-face has hammered fuel makers’ margins, slimming the profits they make from gasoline to their lowest levels since late 2020, according to FactSet. Investors have tapped the brakes and, at least momentarily, halted a yearslong ascent in refiner stocks to record or near-record highs.

The declines have come as the end of summer driving season paved the way for a cyclical dip in American fuel prices and gas guzzling. Analysts are also looking at another factor adding momentum to the downward turn: Prices rose high enough that they pushed some drivers in the U.S., Europe and elsewhere to stay off the road.

Remote work has allowed white-collar Americans to commute less when costs rise, economists say, while others in recent months either wound down ride-sharing gigs or nixed vacations.

In Philadelphia, Carl Jones cut back on escapes from his day-to-day grind as a community-college administrator, pausing frequent movie-theater visits and skipping road trips to see family and friends.

Like many others, his salary increases in recent years have failed to keep pace with overall inflation that has propelled the cost of everything from rent to haircuts. “It doesn’t seem like there’s any stop for this,” the 49-year-old said.

“I spend the same amount of money, but I don’t buy as much gas,” said Jones.

But the energy costs that have kept inflation stubbornly stable in recent months, irking central bankers and investors, are now offering signs of relief.

A gallon of regular gasoline ran drivers an average of $3.63 nationwide Friday, according to AAA, down 5.8% from a month ago. Prices vary regionally with taxes as well as pipeline and storage capacity, meaning some drivers have reaped more benefits than others.

Gas stations monitored by AAA in Pittsburgh kept prices level over the past month around $3.86 a gallon, while those in Athens, Ga., trimmed costs by 18% to an average of $2.92. Des Moines saw 20% declines over the period to $3.19 a gallon.

Financial markets indicate that the nationwide decline has room to run. Contracts for November shipments of wholesale gasoline into New York Harbor have tumbled more than 23% since their 2023 high point on Aug. 11, recently trading at $2.27 a gallon.

Gasoline’s slide has hurt refiners’ incentive to order crude, weighing on oil prices that only weeks ago reached 2023 highs and put $100 crude in Wall Street’s sights. Benchmark U.S. crude has edged 6.7% lower since Sept. 27 to $87.69 a barrel.

While Israel’s war with Hamas threatens to expand across the Middle East to oil-rich Iran, U.S. officials haven’t linked Tehran directly to the Palestinian militant group’s initial assault. Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen, whose agency oversees sanctions on Iranian crude, said all options are on the table in responding to the violence.

On Friday, traders bid up crude prices as Israeli troops massed near the country’s border with the Gaza Strip in preparation for a potential ground invasion. Wartime price increases “tend to fade quickly if oil supplies are not impacted,” UBS recently told clients.

Many traders and analysts are also focusing on hard-to-parse consumption signals that suggest this summer’s high fuel prices curbed demand in some regions.

Federal record-keepers say U.S. gasoline consumption in the third quarter dropped 60,000 barrels a day from last year, a 0.7% annual decline, and the International Energy Agency on Thursday reported “signs of demand destruction in the United States.”

A strong dollar made oil imports abroad more expensive and contributed to similar declines across Southeast Asia and West Africa, according to J.P. Morgan. Analysts at the bank noted that price increases driven by supply shocks—such as production cuts by Russia and Saudi Arabia in recent months—are harder for economies to handle than demand-driven rallies.

Energy analysts at OPIS and elsewhere also pointed to high margins at retailers and refiners adding pressure to drivers’ budgets. OPIS is a part of Dow Jones & Co., publisher of The Wall Street Journal.

Futures markets implied that the average daily profit for producing gasoline reached nearly $30 a barrel in August and September, far higher than the 20-year daily average of less than $17 a barrel.

“It was not crude oil,” petroleum economist Philip Verleger said of the late-summer jump in prices at the pump. America’s refining capacity has ticked downward in recent years.

Although gasoline margins plunged more than 70% over the past month, according to FactSet, diesel profits remain more than double their 20-year daily average, shielding refiner stocks from greater pain.

Marathon Petroleum shares have fallen about 4.7% over the period, while Phillips 66 is down 10% and Valero has slumped by 13%.

Major convenience-store owners, despite higher labor costs and reduced sales of prepared foods and other products, are also weathering the pullback. Analysts say lower gasoline prices going forward could entice Americans to fuel up more frequently.

Speaking on an earnings call last month, Casey’s General Store Chief Executive Darren Rebelez said higher profit margins from fuel are here to stay.
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rfenst wrote:


My opinion is based on 24 credit hours of economics and 24 credit hours of finance, not politics, and regular daily/weekly reading economic articles in several varied newspapers and The Economist.


Well in that case I’ll have a venti caramel macchiato.

(Krugman is unreadable)
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HockeyDad wrote:
Well in that case I’ll have a venti caramel macchiato.

(Krugman is unreadable)


HD... how the hell do you pull these one-liners straight outa yo rectum?

Rectum? Damn near kiltum!
RayR Offline
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I've been informed that here in NYS, the price of the evil fossil fuel natural gas is going down this winter, but the cost of electricity is going up. Probably because of our cheap Niagara hydro power, we have to subsidize those moochers down state some more.
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MACS wrote:
HD... how the hell do you pull these one-liners straight outa yo rectum?

Rectum? Damn near kiltum!


Robert knows I love him! But 24 credits in economics?! Geez.
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Paul Krugman Declares Victory Over Inflation and the Hilarious Response Is What We Need



As things seem to be falling into chaos around the world, there are a few things we can count on.

Joe Biden will tell a story that isn't true, and Paul Krugman will be wrong.

We've covered some of Krugman's highlights (or perhaps we should say lowlights) in the past. Last month, he even tried to shovel some malarkey about "how quickly and how painless the inflation has come down." Um, it's been ongoing since 2021 and has cost Americans hundreds more each month; how is that painless? Plus, the rising interest rates in response are also hitting Americans hard.

But this new remark from Krugman is definitely a candidate for the Krugman Best of the Worst list.

As Biden's team pushes ridiculous praises of "Bidenomics," Krugman seemed to be running some hilarious cover for the big problem with Biden's claims -- Bidenflation.

The war on inflation is over. We won, at very little cost pic.twitter.com/opumf3nEvL
— Paul Krugman (@paulkrugman) October 12, 2023


Now, this is pretty funny if you check his subheading.

He's arguing inflation is over -- if you discount everything that matters, like food, energy, and shelter. How ridiculous an assertion is that? How can you take such a person seriously?

As you can see, Community Notes wasn't having any of that, calling the omission of the critical categories "misleading."

Then, too, did you notice it was over? I didn't. Nor did media that reported consumer prices rose in September, more than expected. We're all still getting killed by the high prices. "At very little cost"? You can tell he has no idea about the trials of the American people having to struggle with the higher prices over the past two years.

Prices that consumers pay for a wide variety of goods and services increased at a slightly faster-than-expected pace in September, keeping inflation in the spotlight for policymakers.

The consumer price index, a closely followed inflation gauge, increased 0.4% on the month and 3.7% from a year ago, according to a Labor Department report Thursday. That compared with respective Dow Jones estimates of 0.3% and 3.6%. Headline inflation increased 0.6% in August.

Even though it has reduced from the high point under Biden, it's still higher than it was when Biden came into office. Moreover, I'm not sure who he's considering fought the "war on inflation" since Biden drove it up with excessive government spending.

It’s a good thing nobody needs food, energy, shelter, or transportation. https://t.co/nB286JYTx4
— Ted Cruz (@tedcruz) October 13, 2023


It's been such a **** week so thank you for the laugh. Guys, if you exclude food, energy, shelter or used cars, we're doing super great! https://t.co/iikrCyRq5S
— Karol Markowicz (@karol) October 12, 2023


Just don’t buy things you need and everything is affordable.
— Karol Markowicz (@karol) October 12, 2023


"The price of sunblock, miniature golf admissions, tinted contact lenses and cellphone cases have all stabilized -- INFLATION IS OVER! (just do not go grocery shopping)"

-- Krugman https://t.co/r5SYmyzXqW
— Brad Slager: CNN+ Lifetime Subscriber (@MartiniShark) October 12, 2023


We beat Krugman to this joke by 2 years https://t.co/74ExW2oXD5 pic.twitter.com/13fvSryFcf
— Kyle Mann (@The_Kyle_Mann) October 12, 2023


You always have the best analysis. pic.twitter.com/eLIB9t6cjn
— Brian Nichols (@BNicholsLiberty) October 12, 2023


https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2023/10/13/we-can-always-count-on-paul-krugman-to-be-wrong-n2165018



Frying pan Frying pan Frying pan

That guy is less correct than Jim Kramer! At least you can understand the "pump & dump" game afoot with him.


He was funnier in the Odd Couple.
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8trackdisco wrote:
He was funnier in the Odd Couple.


I was thinking that earlier... but wasn't sure who'd get it.
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MACS wrote:
I was thinking that earlier... but wasn't sure who'd get it.


Only the smart kids.

Like ScotHar use to say…. Never dumb it down for the aw-dunces.
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8trackdisco wrote:
He was funnier in the Odd Couple.


I haven't seen that show in ages. I'll have to look where it's streaming.
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Just checked, it's on Paramount+ and PlutoTV streaming channels.
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That brings us to a...

NINE! teen.
MACS Offline
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Inflation is not so bad as long as you don't need food, energy, shelter or transportation.

Other than that... it's not bad at all. Angel
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HockeyDad wrote:
Robert knows I love him! But 24 credits in economics?! Geez.

Finance as well too- double majors.
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MACS wrote:
Inflation is not so bad as long as you don't need food, energy, shelter or transportation.

Other than that... it's not bad at all. Angel

B,ut part or most of those three expenses excluded are fixed expenses for most people at low interest. Those contributors don't affect them the way they might others. It's not an accurate way to measure real inflation, but instead an analytical/academic way to determine which factors/expenses are really contributing to inflation (or not).
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