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I'm your huckleberry
eleltea Offline
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On and off I hear discussions in which people speculate on the exact origin and meaning is of the quaint idiom used by Doc Holliday in the movie "Tombstone." I've heard some wild suggestions, including "huckleberry" meaning "pall-bearer" suggesting "I'll bury you."

Still others think it has something to do with Mark Twain's character, Huckleberry Finn, and means "steadfast friend, pard." This is unlikely, since the book of that title was not written until 1883. Tom Sawyer was written in 1876, but nowhere there is the term "huckleberry" used to mean "steadfast friend" or the like.

Still others claim that a victor's crown or wreath of huckleberry is involved, making the statement "I'm your huckleberry" something like "I'll beat you!" But no such reference can be found in the historical materials supporting the use of this term in 19th century America. Additionally, "huckleberry" was native to North America so it's unlikely it was used in ancient Britain as a prize!

Solutions to such questions are actually very easy to find, since there are numerous dictionaries of the English language in its various periods, and there are dictionaries of English slang. These works simply cull from books, magazines, and newspapers of the period representative usages of the words to illustrate their meaning. I consulted several of these and found the expression to have a very interesting origin.

"Huckleberry" was commonly used in the 1800's in conjunction with "persimmon" as a small unit of measure. "I'm a huckleberry over your persimmon" meant "I'm just a bit better than you." As a result, "huckleberry" came to denote idiomatically two things. First, it denoted a small unit of measure, a "tad," as it were, and a person who was a huckleberry could be a small, unimportant person--usually expressed ironically in mock self-depreciation. The second and more common usage came to mean, in the words of the "Dictionary of American Slang: Second Supplemented Edition" (Crowell, 1975):

"A man; specif., the exact kind of man needed for a particular purpose. 1936: "Well, I'm your huckleberry, Mr. Haney." Tully, "Bruiser," 37. Since 1880, archaic.

The "Historical Dictionary of American Slang" which is a multivolume work, has about a third of a column of citations documenting this meaning all through the latter 19th century.

So "I'm your huckleberry" means "I'm just the man you're looking for!"

Now ain't that a daisy!

The "Daisy" comment is easier. In the late 19th century "daisy" was a common slang term for "the best in it's class." So for "daisy" just substitute "the best" and you'll have it. It was a short-lived idiom and doesn't seem to be popular much after 1890.

---Lawson Stone

bassdude Offline
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I knew that.
Lowman Offline
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who didn't...
bassdude Offline
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apparently LLT
lofty1 Offline
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I didn't. But, then again, I'm not too bright.
pabloescabar Offline
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^
just very colorful...
Charlie Offline
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I admit I didn't know that and I am glad you did the research!

Charlie
hat Offline
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common knowledge.
JonR Offline
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Finally I will be able to get a full nights sleep without snapping awake screaming, what the hell does "I'm your Huckleberry" mean.

LOL

JonR

Ps: seriously, very informative.
CWFoster Offline
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Thanks! I've wondered about that myself!
distresing Offline
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Tombstone and Pulp Fiction get my votes as the most quote-rich movies ever.

Ok, Caddyshack, too. It's a Cinderella story.
Charlie Offline
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Add to that listing:
Godfather and Godfather II, and Casablanca! Those along with Pulp Fiction and Tombstone, and any Clint Eastwood flick are full of great quotations!

Charlie
rastusmcnair Offline
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I've known Huckleberrys. Huckleberrys have been friends of mine. And GWB, you are no Huckleberry.
bassdude Offline
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why are some folks always an azz?
usahog Offline
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LLT, once I get my new TV and all the gadgits all hooked up... Tombstone is going to be the first movie I run through it....

Hog
eleltea Offline
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That's the one I broke my system in on, too, Hog. You won't be disappointed. I never really liked Val Kilmer until I saw him play Doc Holliday. A great portrayal of the great American mythical character.
eleltea Offline
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BTW, some of the replies from some of you liars made me lmao. ;o)
usahog Offline
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Caddyshack will be the following movie... that is one of my all time Favs!!!! "It Slipped" LMAO!!!!

Hog
rastusmcnair Offline
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Hey Bassdude, Are YOU takin to ME?
bassdude Offline
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Now why would you think that?
hensed Offline
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eleltea why would you refer to him as mythical when he was infact a documented individual?
bassdude Offline
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try Independance Day.
CWFoster Offline
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Hog, the best movie to break in your new home theater system with is "Saving Private Ryan"! I ran that when I got the system I used to have hooked up, and as they appeoched Omaha Beach, I though a storm was rolling in! It was the artillery!

All the "quotable movies" mentioned are good, but without any hesitation I'll pick Rowdy Roddy Piper in the 'B' classic "They Live!"

"I came...to chew bubblegum and kick ass!........ And I'm all outta bubblegum!"
nealep Offline
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LOL at CWFoster's post. That was a great B movie!

Neal
EI Offline
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Gotta love roddy piper
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