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RayR Offline
#51 Posted: Fri, Aug 11 2023, 4:21 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
You do realize this is NOT the politics forum? See what you did? You brought that babbling idiot Ray to the party. Can’t see what he posted, but I’m sure it’s the same old drivel that caused me to mute him.


Listen, you the SUCKA that brought religion to the General Discussion Forum. ram27bat
Stogie1020 Offline
#52 Posted: Fri, Aug 11 2023, 4:35 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Those are not my words. I borrowed them from someone else.

Shifting slightly from "morality" to "justice", Alan Dershowitz wrote an interesting book called The Genesis of Justice based on judeo-christian teachings and their sources for many of our concepts of justice.

Truthfully, I have been looking for a better analysis of the origins of "morality" as a whole (e.g., in what forms did concepts of morality exist in pre-Judeo-Christian or pagan societies?), but I have yet to find anything other than sources quoted/referenced in the Dershowitz book.
HockeyDad Offline
#53 Posted: Fri, Aug 11 2023, 4:40 PM EST
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RayR wrote:
Listen, you the SUCKA that brought religion to the General Discussion Forum. ram27bat


Ray’s kinda got you there.
rfenst Offline
#54 Posted: Fri, Aug 11 2023, 6:24 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
Seems to me that……oh never mind…..

Do have a question though. If God created man on day 6, how did man know what happened on days 1-5?

Back to regularly scheduled programming.

God told us.
rfenst Offline
#55 Posted: Fri, Aug 11 2023, 6:25 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
And why are Adam and Eve depicted with belly buttons?

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
rfenst Offline
#56 Posted: Fri, Aug 11 2023, 6:34 PM EST
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There are society's laws and God's laws. They differ significantly.

One's involvement in civil law usually deals with a violation.

God's law, and his ever presence, differs in that it proscribes how one should act. If everyone followed it, there would be a hell of a lot less need for society's law.
frankj1 Offline
#57 Posted: Fri, Aug 11 2023, 6:49 PM EST
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RayR wrote:
OH, I'm so scared of Left Liberals! Scared

Left Liberals turned "white supremacy." into a meaningless phrase that means anything they don't like, it's just something they use to convey a deep-seated hatred for anyone who doesn't vote for radical Democrats.

ooooh! Promise us that you'll video what happens when you call that White Supremacist or Nazi or KKK et al a commie lefty libturd.

But first take a "before" picture of your face.
Abrignac Offline
#58 Posted: Fri, Aug 11 2023, 7:31 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
God told us.


On the 8th day…..?
RayR Offline
#59 Posted: Fri, Aug 11 2023, 9:19 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
ooooh! Promise us that you'll video what happens when you call that White Supremacist or Nazi or KKK et al a commie lefty libturd.

But first take a "before" picture of your face.


Lefty libturds are pussssies!
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#60 Posted: Sat, Aug 12 2023, 1:25 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
Like a wet dream, you can pretty much f*** anything up.



Oh, I'm sorry to wreck your self-imposed banning of a guy. Especially after bragging about it??? Frying pan Frying pan Frying pan Geez, where's my manners. I was never good at these Southern lynchings...I blame my California upbringing on that...suppose. Now, can you direct me to the post that Ray shot up asking for help here on a cigar forum with his erectile dysfunction like you did? Talk about a wet dream there, way to go there Shooter!
Abrignac Offline
#61 Posted: Sat, Aug 12 2023, 2:28 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Oh, I'm sorry to wreck your self-imposed banning of a guy. Especially after bragging about it??? Frying pan Frying pan Frying pan Geez, where's my manners. I was never good at these Southern lynchings...I blame my California upbringing on that...suppose. Now, can you direct me to the post that Ray shot up asking for help here on a cigar forum with his erectile dysfunction like you did? Talk about a wet dream there, way to go there Shooter!


So in addition to a lack of manors we can add reading comprehension to your long list of deficits? No problem.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#62 Posted: Sat, Aug 12 2023, 7:08 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
So in addition to a lack of manors we can add reading comprehension to your long list of deficits? No problem.



No, I only have one home, all I need thank you.

You taking off your socks to do all that cipherin'?

Whatever Spiderman
tonygraz Offline
#63 Posted: Sat, Aug 12 2023, 8:52 PM EST
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I always thought you needed a special home.
Whistlebritches Offline
#64 Posted: Sat, Aug 12 2023, 9:49 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
Pretty much consensus expected. Not that I really GAF about what the proselytizers think. I can run circles around many of their arguments. But, that’s a topic for another day, time and place.



Only in your feeble mind there Legend.Liar
RayR Offline
#65 Posted: Sun, Aug 13 2023, 12:36 PM EST
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That Abrignac sure is cocky ain't he? I don't know what I did to piss him off, probably mocked his favorite dicktator or something.

Anyway, anyone that brags that they can run circles around many of your arguments but doesn't is full of hot air.
Brewha Offline
#66 Posted: Mon, Aug 14 2023, 10:54 AM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
I always thought you needed a special home.

And bus....
Brewha Offline
#67 Posted: Mon, Aug 14 2023, 10:55 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Ray’s kinda got you there.

One in a row....
RayR Offline
#68 Posted: Mon, Aug 14 2023, 2:44 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
One in a row....


So, you admit only one huh? I'm all over your BS like white on rice boy!
MACS Offline
#69 Posted: Mon, Aug 14 2023, 2:51 PM EST
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrIvwPConv0
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#70 Posted: Mon, Aug 14 2023, 6:45 PM EST
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Anthony, the biblical Hebrew word translated as day is Yom. it has 7 or 8 meanings. This is common with older languages. They have less words with multiple meanings. Another meaning for Yom is time. I prefer this meaning because it makes sense to me. From a biblical standpoint the sun and moon were not created till the fourth Yom. So, I do not believe the 6-day/24-hour philosophy. Also, radiometric dating places the earth at 4 .5 billion years old. Radiometric dating is thought to be accurate + or - .5 billion years. This would make the earth between 4 and 5 billion years old. Of course, all of the above is only my opinion. Though I do prefer to form my own opinion as opposed to being told what my opinion will be.
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#71 Posted: Mon, Aug 14 2023, 9:27 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
You do realize this is NOT the politics forum? See what you did? You brought that babbling idiot Ray to the party. Can’t see what he posted, but I’m sure it’s the same old drivel that caused me to mute him.


I blame MACS and Whistle...they posted the article in which the authors pat themselves on the back arguing their specific religion has a corner on the goods...

RR is entitled to respond to anything he sees here, and I do not let his potential outbursts affect what I choose to say...
MACS Offline
#72 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2023, 5:21 AM EST
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delta1 wrote:
I blame MACS and Whistle...they posted the article in which the authors pat themselves on the back arguing their specific religion has a corner on the goods...

RR is entitled to respond to anything he sees here, and I do not let his potential outbursts affect what I choose to say...


Dadburnit...
Brewha Offline
#73 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2023, 8:55 AM EST
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Speyside2 wrote:
Anthony, the biblical Hebrew word translated as day is Yom. it has 7 or 8 meanings. This is common with older languages. They have less words with multiple meanings. Another meaning for Yom is time. I prefer this meaning because it makes sense to me. From a biblical standpoint the sun and moon were not created till the fourth Yom. So, I do not believe the 6-day/24-hour philosophy. Also, radiometric dating places the earth at 4 .5 billion years old. Radiometric dating is thought to be accurate + or - .5 billion years. This would make the earth between 4 and 5 billion years old. Of course, all of the above is only my opinion. Though I do prefer to form my own opinion as opposed to being told what my opinion will be.


I always tooks "days" to mean Eons or Epochs.

And try as the bible authors did to explain things, they did get the order wrong:

Day 1 - Light. Like the Big Bang

Day 2 - Firmament. Expansion, cooling and the beginning of planetary accretion

Day 3 - Earth, Sea and vegetation. This would be from the the Hadean eon to end of the Archean eon. Like 2.5 billion years.

Day 4 - Sun, moon and stars. Ok, so this happened days 1 through 2, with the moon showing up at the beginning of day 3.

Day 5 - Birds and sea creatures. So birds came after land animals (day 6). But let's just say this was the end of the Proterozoic through the Paleozoic.

Day 6 - Land animals and humans. This would have been a long day with us showing up in the last few moments.



You have to hand it to them that they didn't do so bad for a bunch of sheep herders.
RayR Offline
#74 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2023, 9:04 AM EST
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delta1 wrote:
I blame MACS and Whistle...they posted the article in which the authors pat themselves on the back arguing their specific religion has a corner on the goods...

RR is entitled to respond to anything he sees here, and I do not let his potential outbursts affect what I choose to say...


I refuse to respond to anything here since I've heard it is inappropriate to discuss religion and politics in the General Discussion Forum, being that somebody's feelings might get hurt.

You on the other hand are entitled to respond to anything in the Politics Forum even though I know you are afraid too. 🐔
MACS Offline
#75 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2023, 10:36 AM EST
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Which is crazier...

nothing + nothing = something

Or

nothing + someone = something
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#76 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2023, 6:44 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
I always tooks "days" to mean Eons or Epochs.

And try as the bible authors did to explain things, they did get the order wrong:

Day 1 - Light. Like the Big Bang

Day 2 - Firmament. Expansion, cooling and the beginning of planetary accretion

Day 3 - Earth, Sea and vegetation. This would be from the the Hadean eon to end of the Archean eon. Like 2.5 billion years.

Day 4 - Sun, moon and stars. Ok, so this happened days 1 through 2, with the moon showing up at the beginning of day 3.

Day 5 - Birds and sea creatures. So birds came after land animals (day 6). But let's just say this was the end of the Proterozoic through the Paleozoic.

Day 6 - Land animals and humans. This would have been a long day with us showing up in the last few moments.



You have to hand it to them that they didn't do so bad for a bunch of sheep herders.



Interesting to say the least. So, let's discuss the big bang. You will have to put up with my miniscule understanding of quantum mechanics. The idea of a multiverse makes my head hurt. Time would have to be parallel and consistent for me, otherwise it is beyond my comprehension. Then there is dark matter. I simply am not ready to accept it based only on gravitational effects. That leaves quantum fluctuations. We could go with that, but I won't. It is my belief that Hilbert space is incompletely defined. There is at least a fourth dimension, time. Probably there is a 5th dimension, but that is only an educated guess.

So, I think the only plausible explanation is kinetic energy.
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#77 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2023, 6:47 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
I always tooks "days" to mean Eons or Epochs.

And try as the bible authors did to explain things, they did get the order wrong:

Day 1 - Light. Like the Big Bang

Day 2 - Firmament. Expansion, cooling and the beginning of planetary accretion

Day 3 - Earth, Sea and vegetation. This would be from the the Hadean eon to end of the Archean eon. Like 2.5 billion years.

Day 4 - Sun, moon and stars. Ok, so this happened days 1 through 2, with the moon showing up at the beginning of day 3.

Day 5 - Birds and sea creatures. So birds came after land animals (day 6). But let's just say this was the end of the Proterozoic through the Paleozoic.

Day 6 - Land animals and humans. This would have been a long day with us showing up in the last few moments.



You have to hand it to them that they didn't do so bad for a bunch of sheep herders.


and then Day 7...yay!
how you guys screwed up and called Day 1 the Sabbath still makes the Chosen laff.
Saturday, ya macaroooons.

Prequel...get to know it*


*paraphrasing MrJones
MACS Offline
#78 Posted: Tue, Aug 15 2023, 7:25 PM EST
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Like I told my wife (Seventh Day Adventist)... show me anywhere in the old or new testament that states any day of the week as we now know them... Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday or Saturday.

God made the heavens and the Earth. Bible says he did it in 6 days and rested on the seventh. Doesn't say what any of those days were. Man made the calendar. How do we know the first day wasn't Wednesday? How do we know one of God's days is 24 hours? Maybe it's a billion years?

Think Think

Just sayin'...
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#79 Posted: Thu, Aug 17 2023, 3:12 PM EST
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Speyside2 wrote:
Interesting to say the least. So, let's discuss the big bang. You will have to put up with my miniscule understanding of quantum mechanics. The idea of a multiverse makes my head hurt. Time would have to be parallel and consistent for me, otherwise it is beyond my comprehension. Then there is dark matter. I simply am not ready to accept it based only on gravitational effects. That leaves quantum fluctuations. We could go with that, but I won't. It is my belief that Hilbert space is incompletely defined. There is at least a fourth dimension, time. Probably there is a 5th dimension, but that is only an educated guess.

So, I think the only plausible explanation is kinetic energy.


There are a lot of theories in quantum mechanics. Some are only math anomalies that are by no means demonstrated in observation. And don't even get me started on string theory...some people just want to sell ponderous books.

I think if you stick with the Standard Model it makes a lot more sense. Especially if you see that:
Matter and energy appear the same thing in different states.
And that Time is an emergent property of matter (as in Timespace).

The Big Bang was energy and matter exchanging states. "something from nothing" is a misnomer.

Of course yesterday there was nothing in the sky - and than water came from above - out of nothing.
must be one of them miracles I reckon...
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#80 Posted: Thu, Aug 17 2023, 3:16 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
and then Day 7...yay!
how you guys screwed up and called Day 1 the Sabbath still makes the Chosen laff.
Saturday, ya macaroooons.

Prequel...get to know it*


*paraphrasing MrJones


What the hell is a chosen laff?

Is that a drink?
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#81 Posted: Thu, Aug 17 2023, 5:58 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
What the hell is a chosen laff?

Is that a drink?

I'm having gud wirding issues lately...
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#82 Posted: Thu, Aug 17 2023, 6:50 PM EST
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Chosen staff, a tripod reference?
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#83 Posted: Thu, Aug 17 2023, 7:05 PM EST
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I'm just moving a couple steps away in case of lightning.
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To some extent I don't give a quark about the standard model. One man's tau is another man's Tao. But let's go with dark matter for conversations sake. This implies Einstein was correct, I agree with that. It also implies if God exists there is no free will, I disagree with that. Consider this, Einstein was approximately 100% correct and Bohrs was approximately 100% incorrect. Subtle, but a significant difference. The approximate allows free will. There is the briefest possible moment of time the cat is dead and alive.

Where did dark energy come from, not what is dark energy. Please remember I seldom think in detail, rather I think big picture. Also, I have very little understanding of quantum mechanics. I say quantum mechanics as opposed to quantum physics to try to speak of reality rather than theory.
tonygraz Offline
#85 Posted: Thu, Aug 17 2023, 7:57 PM EST
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I think the 9 lives is confusing you.
Brewha Offline
#86 Posted: Fri, Aug 18 2023, 8:18 AM EST
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Speyside2 wrote:
To some extent I don't give a quark about the standard model. One man's tau is another man's Tao. But let's go with dark matter for conversations sake. This implies Einstein was correct, I agree with that. It also implies if God exists there is no free will, I disagree with that. Consider this, Einstein was approximately 100% correct and Bohrs was approximately 100% incorrect. Subtle, but a significant difference. The approximate allows free will. There is the briefest possible moment of time the cat is dead and alive.

Where did dark energy come from, not what is dark energy. Please remember I seldom think in detail, rather I think big picture. Also, I have very little understanding of quantum mechanics. I say quantum mechanics as opposed to quantum physics to try to speak of reality rather than theory.


Sounds a bit like you have philosophy, physics and religion in a blender.....

Anyway, when they were first studying the way the planets affect each others orbits they could not explain some predictable anomalies in the orbits. So they theorised "dark matter" - some gravity source that affected the orbits but could not be seen. Turns out the problem was they could not yet see Uranus. Seriously.

Yeah - I know...

Anyway, Dark Matter is only inferred - not detected. So "dark" right? There are those who theorize that there is no dark matter and the correct answer is to modify general relativity. But, if there is dark matter (this is the accepted bet) you next need to guess if it is baryonic (regulars matter) or not. Best guess is non-baryonic. Which, it is thought, would have come from the Big Bang.

Personally, the explanation of Primordial Black Holes works the best for me. This makes BM baryonic and gets out of the whole “undiscovered partial” approach that quantum physicists love.

It also has a nice summitry - Black Matter was first found to be Uranus, now it’s Black Holes.
There is a really good joke there….that science has yet to discover.
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#87 Posted: Fri, Aug 18 2023, 7:28 PM EST
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Hello,
My name is Dave.
And I am a recovering Southern Baptist.
I have been out of the cult, since March 15th, 1984.
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)Beer
tonygraz Offline
#88 Posted: Fri, Aug 18 2023, 10:05 PM EST
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Dark matter matters !
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#89 Posted: Sat, Aug 19 2023, 12:35 PM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
Dark matter matters !

and a new lawn sign industry was launched!
good one, T.
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