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Humidor Issue
Jimbo593 Offline
#1 Posted:
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I recently purchased a Mantello Cigar Humidor. I have seasoned it many times and I am having a difficult time keeping the humidity between 65-75. I have purchased the Humi-Care crystals and nothing seems to help. Any advise?


Thanks
Tiver Offline
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A well seasoned humidor means the wood inside is close to the desired relative humidity. If the wood is dry, the moisture will migrate to and through the wood. The sealer on the outside of the wood is supposed to mitigate this somewhat. Additionally there is a seal formed when the lid is closed. This is typically a weaker seal and allows moisture to migrate out of the box. Google lid seal for humidor or some such to see remedy for that.

Many here will use plastic storage containers as the leakage is quite minimal and humidity maintenance becomes quite simple. Sistema is a popular brand. Standard picnic coolers can perform this function as well. Another brand of sealed plastic container is Ezy storage, IP67 rated, available at the home Depot. I use these. They come in small to large sizes with the largest a little under $30 I had a lot of trouble getting a wooden humidor to season properly. At this time I actually have three wooden desk top humidors inside larger Ezy storage containers. I know they are well seasoned now because they have been in the sealed plastic containers for over a year and the wood will be at the RH of the container. If I remove them, the maintenance would be much easier because I know they are properly seasoned, but they are happy in there plastic container for now.

There are thousands of helpful posts and videos and commentary around the internet for getting better results from wood humidors. Getting a plastic container (sistema, Ezy, picnic cooler, tupperware) will solve your issue immediately while you work on a solution for the wooden box
jeebling Offline
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Tiver hit the nail on the head. I’ve got a desktop humidor that is 13 or 14 years old. I’ve had to pay attention to the raised wooden seal to keep my box in shape. What I’ve done is use cotton swabs and lint free cloth to concentrate on that raised seal and it really helps. You might try this cotton swab method at the corner joints as well. Tiver has some excellent tips re: Sistema.
rfenst Offline
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1. Take out all cigars and wipe the interior down completely with a damp paper towel. Close it and wait for the wood to wick in all the moisture. Do it again and a third time if necessary all over about 2-3 days.

2. Make sure to really dampen the seal as that is what causes most problems.

3. Boveda packs for a week is the easy way to go for humidity control.

4. Fill the humidor at least 50% full with cigars. More cigars stabilizes humidity!

5. Give it a week and everything will be fine. Then just check it every time you grab a cigar or once every 2-4 weeks until you learn how often it will need to be checked. I probably check every 30-60 days.

6. Keep your RH at 67%-64%, IMO.

GOOD LUCK!!!

EDIT: If the humidor has a lock or clasp, use it!
deadeyedick Offline
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That is a cheap humidor and they very seldom seal well. Put a flashlight in the humidor in a dark room and see if you light coming out around the seal.
tonygraz Offline
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Jimbo, try beads or Bovedas. Better still, store the cigars at 60-67. My guess is that your humidor is leaking or you are opening it a lot. My big woodies are pretty good at holding the humidity and that's probably because they only get opened once or twice a month. I keep the go to and yard gars in small wooden humidors and add water every week or so. Plastic tubs and cooler often go without adding moisture for as long as a year. Humidity concerns will drive you nuts if you let them.

KingoftheCove Offline
#7 Posted:
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Do the dollar bill or flashlight test.
Crappy seal? Weather stripping might fix it. If not, turn it into office storage (pens, pencils, rulers, tape, paper clips, etc.
Beads and Bovedas is the way to go.
danmdevries Offline
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Ditch the cheap China humidor, get a gasketed tupperware and some boveda packs and call it a day.

Also, you're aiming too high with your humidity. Try 65 or less. Your cigars will smoke better.
MidnightToker( • )( • ) Offline
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danmdevries wrote:
Ditch the cheap China humidor, get a gasketed tupperware and some boveda packs and call it a day.

I second that motion. Especially if u don't care how it looks. Wood humis are a pain.

Electronic ones are nice and can be had for the price of a good quality wood humidor. They are also fully spanish cedar like a good humidor not lined like a cheap one. The ones that heat and cool with fan cost around $1 per stick storage starting at $150 for 150 stick all the way up to $750 for 1000 count.
rfenst Offline
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MidnightToker( • )( • ) wrote:
I second that motion. Especially if u don't care how it looks. Wood humis are a pain.

Electronic ones are nice and can be had for the price of a good quality wood humidor. They are also fully spanish cedar like a good humidor not lined like a cheap one. The ones that heat and cool with fan cost around $1 per stick storage starting at $150 for 150 stick all the way up to $750 for 1000 count.


I have a 50-cab of cigars that need to age another year or two. Left them untouched in their cab, with the lid shut tight. Tobacco on tobacco. All within a 100% enclosed spanish cedar. The cab is stored most simply in a zip-lock bag with a boveda tucked in the bag, sitting on a library shelf. That's all. I check on it every few weeks or so and they are coming along fine. The others aging are in a spanish cedar humidor in their original boxes, untouched, or are "singles" or multiples stacked into piles. It's that simple, IMO. What am I missing as to temperature control and cooling fans,?
danmdevries Offline
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Robert, I never understood the temp control aspect either. But enough people like em that they're a thing. Cooling the unit introduces humidity control issues of its own.

I get the humidity control part, it's something I see and notice the effects from being out of range. Temp control I dunno. Maybe it has an impact, but my basement is pretty stable temp wise.

Storing in wood vs plastic I haven't noticed a difference except that the sealed storage is a lot less maintenance.
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#12 Posted:
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tonygraz wrote:
Jimbo, try beads or Bovedas. Better still, store the cigars at 60-67. My guess is that your humidor is leaking or you are opening it a lot. My big woodies are pretty good at holding the humidity and that's probably because they only get opened once or twice a month. I keep the go to and yard gars in small wooden humidors and add water every week or so. Plastic tubs and cooler often go without adding moisture for as long as a year. Humidity concerns will drive you nuts if you let them.


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MidnightToker( • )( • ) Offline
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rfenst wrote:
I have a 50-cab of cigars that need to age another year or two. Left them untouched in their cab, with the lid shut tight. Tobacco on tobacco. All within a 100% enclosed spanish cedar. The cab is stored most simply in a zip-lock bag with a boveda tucked in the bag, sitting on a library shelf. That's all. I check on it every few weeks or so and they are coming along fine. The others aging are in a spanish cedar humidor in their original boxes, untouched, or are "singles" or multiples stacked into piles. It's that simple, IMO. What am I missing as to temperature control and cooling fans,?

The fans aren't for cooling, they are for even distribution of humidity and too add humidity (Water or beads go in front of the fan). As for temperature control, that would be convenient if you're leaving the house for the entire day or several days and don't want to have the A/C on or heat all the way up.
jeebling Offline
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The temp control is also good to have if you’re putting the cabinet in a place like the shop or garage or some type of weird man cave set up.
drglnc Offline
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Sorry to say you have fallen victim and wasted money like so many before you... including myself and many on this forum. What you have is... cheap made junk. most likely not eve made from Cedar but either press board or other cheap wood with a cedar veneer. The hinges suck, the seal will be bad and if it is a glass top then even worse. You may fuss with it over weeks/months and get it to work for a while but... it will not last long and will continue to give headaches over time. embrace the loss now, use it to store your cigar accessories like cutters and lighters but not to store cigars.

If you truly want a wood humidor you will need to fork over much more money for a decent and reliable one. most of us choose to use the types of items mentioned above instead for the ease of use. if you really want a desktop option that looks ok then check out the Boveda Acrylic or similar. if you don't care about the look then Tupperdoors and coolerdoors are really the easiest most reliable way to go. Nothing beats Boveda for Humidity control in these set ups either.
jeebling Offline
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And you can buy Spanish Cedar fines / sheets to line your tupperdore if it matters to you. You can also buy Spanish Cedar insert trays to use in the 236oz tupperdore. I’m no expert but I don’t think that is necessary. I do save the Cedar that comes with some of the fivers I get and they add up before you know it.
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jeebling wrote:
And you can buy Spanish Cedar fines / sheets to line your tupperdore if it matters to you. You can also buy Spanish Cedar insert trays to use in the 236oz tupperdore. I’m no expert but I don’t think that is necessary. I do save the Cedar that comes with some of the fivers I get and they add up before you know it.


Yup, Many boxes come with a small sheet as well but if one really cares then find a wood dealer near you and they will almost always have Spanish cedar in 1/8 inch planks. i was able to get them 6 inches wide and 4 feet long to cut and put in the bottom of my coolers.
KingoftheCove Offline
#18 Posted:
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Temp control is somewhat important as too high risks beetles and too low messes with RH ( as does too high for that matter)
I’m lucky to live, and in fact, have always lived, in a cigar storage friendly climate.

But there are folks who live in extreme heat and/or extreme cold, and typically do NOT keep optimal temps/RH in their cigar storage rooms when they are not home (work), or leave town for a few days.
That’s when cigar storage issues become more of a chore, and sometimes problematic.
Tupperdores are great, but temperature sensitive, which is why many use coolers instead.

My general advice to noobs is..
Cooler
65RH Bovedas combined with 65RH beads or pure silica KL, trained to 65RH.
If ya wants, throw in some cedar strips.
ZRX1200 Offline
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Best way to season is with Romaine lettuce and Lowreys SS.
Sunoverbeach Offline
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I've actually made a couple of cheap humidors work with some V shaped adhesive weather stripping. The thin stuff. Padded won't work. But yeah, coolers and tupperware work better. I've got those too.
Palama Offline
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rfenst wrote:
1. Take out all cigars and wipe the interior down completely with a damp paper towel. Close it and wait for the wood to wick in all the moisture. Do it again and a third time if necessary all over about 2-3 days.

2. Make sure to really dampen the seal as that is what causes most problems.

3. Boveda packs for a week is the easy way to go for humidity control.

4. Fill the humidor at least 50% full with cigars. More cigars stabilizes humidity!

5. Give it a week and everything will be fine. Then just check it every time you grab a cigar or once every 2-4 weeks until you learn how often it will need to be checked. I probably check every 30-60 days.

6. Keep your RH at 67%-64%, IMO.

GOOD LUCK!!!



Use distilled water and NOT tap water as it may have contaminants.
rfenst Offline
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Palama wrote:
Use distilled water and NOT tap water as it may have contaminants.

Yes!
clickbangdead Offline
#23 Posted:
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Man, remember when the original release perla morado or whatever they where came in boxes with free removable cedar shelves? I still have and use mine.
stogie30 Offline
#24 Posted:
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Jimbo593 wrote:
I recently purchased a Mantello Cigar Humidor. I have seasoned it many times and I am having a difficult time keeping the humidity between 65-75. I have purchased the Humi-Care crystals and nothing seems to help. Any advise?


Thanks


Never had much luck with the gel jars. Two many variables and its not really great at two-way rh control. I'd go with two Boveda packs instead if its a 50 count humidor. In a wood humidor it might be a little lower than whats listed on the Boveda pack but they're pretty accurate. If it still doesn't hold humidity with those than there may be a seal issue.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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danmdevries wrote:
Ditch the cheap China humidor, get a gasketed tupperware and some boveda packs and call it a day.

Also, you're aiming too high with your humidity. Try 65 or less. Your cigars will smoke better.



^THIS...or understand that you have a problem and you will need MORE storage and upgrade now to a 52qt or larger. Break apart old boxes for the cedar and if you're motivated use them to line the cooler. There are a lot of pics and stories here about them. Cooleridor.

Save the cute little humidor for dryboxing or for sitting on your desk.
Abrignac Offline
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Was thinking about picking up say five of the sixty gram 65% bovedas off auction. But the current bid is $3.50 per. Add $1 per for shipping and it’s $18 out the door provided the bid doesn’t go higher.

On their website they go for $21 but shipping is free.

Looks like the break even bid is $4.25 per. Anything higher is more than what they can be had for on the company website.

So my question is: does anyone know what the usual winning bid is on them?

JGRAZ Offline
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Abrignac wrote:
Was thinking about picking up say five of the sixty gram 65% bovedas off auction. But the current bid is $3.50 per. Add $1 per for shipping and it’s $18 out the door provided the bid doesn’t go higher.

On their website they go for $21 but shipping is free.

Looks like the break even bid is $4.25 per. Anything higher is more than what they can be had for on the company website.

So my question is: does anyone know what the usual winning bid is on them?



I've found the winning is all over the place. For me, as long as I can get them cheaper the company site or amazon I'm happy.

for the smaller 60gm packs Ive found going up to the larger quantities in the best bang for the buck.
I had a winning bid of $47 for a 20pk of 65%

Also had a win on 320gm 65% for $13.50 x 2
corey sellers Offline
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Iceberg lettuce for a few days will help the problem.
KingoftheCove Offline
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Abrignac wrote:
Was thinking about picking up say five of the sixty gram 65% bovedas off auction. But the current bid is $3.50 per. Add $1 per for shipping and it’s $18 out the door provided the bid doesn’t go higher.

On their website they go for $21 but shipping is free.

Looks like the break even bid is $4.25 per. Anything higher is more than what they can be had for on the company website.

So my question is: does anyone know what the usual winning bid is on them?


$3.50- $4.50 each
Every now and again, on bigger lots (20 or more) someone can steal some at $3.00/ea
Mraia Offline
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Iceberg lettuce?!?
KingoftheCove Offline
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Mraia wrote:
Iceberg lettuce?!?

Exactly!
Noob advice!
Everyone knows one should use Romaine…
Abrignac Offline
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KingoftheCove wrote:
$3.50- $4.50 each
Every now and again, on bigger lots (20 or more) someone can steal some at $3.00/ea


About what I figured. Probably just as well go straight to the source instead of waiting around to see if I win. Seems like the price would be about what and what.
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JGRAZ wrote:
I've found the winning is all over the place. For me, as long as I can get them cheaper the company site or amazon I'm happy.

for the smaller 60gm packs Ive found going up to the larger quantities in the best bang for the buck.
I had a winning bid of $47 for a 20pk of 65%

Also had a win on 320gm 65% for $13.50 x 2


6 packs of the 320gram bovedas have fairly regularly showed up on the scary site for <$80 with free ship. Think I paid $72 last time, but that was a year or two ago. Have to check every day, as the deals change everyday and some days there are none, others wrong RH. You have to switch to the accessories view to see them.
tonygraz Offline
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Red Romaine looks prettier.
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I've built quite a few humidors over the last 40+ years. If properly built they are amazing. But just one little thing wrong and they are nightmares. I've built two that would never hold humidity. I use a two layer system and tore them down numerous times and never found the problems. Like everything hand or machine built you get a bad apple now and then. If you try the test listed over and a very close inspection of the exterior and find no faults then you've got a gremlin. The humidor I have now is a cabinet style with drawers inside. Each drawer will hold 100+ 6x60s and there's 46 drawers. It took me 9 months to build. It took 2 months to season. One last simple thought. Check the bottom to see if it has some kind of finish on it. If not brush some polyurethane on it making sure to touch the side finish all the way around. Don't ask me but I've seen this done on a couple mass produced ones.
jeebling Offline
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stogieflyz wrote:
I've built quite a few humidors over the last 40+ years. If properly built they are amazing. But just one little thing wrong and they are nightmares. I've built two that would never hold humidity. I use a two layer system and tore them down numerous times and never found the problems. Like everything hand or machine built you get a bad apple now and then. If you try the test listed over and a very close inspection of the exterior and find no faults then you've got a gremlin. The humidor I have now is a cabinet style with drawers inside. Each drawer will hold 100+ 6x60s and there's 46 drawers. It took me 9 months to build. It took 2 months to season. One last simple thought. Check the bottom to see if it has some kind of finish on it. If not brush some polyurethane on it making sure to touch the side finish all the way around. Don't ask me but I've seen this done on a couple mass produced ones.



That sounds like a mighty sweet humidor. What did you make it out of? What do you do to keep the humidity where you like it?
JGRAZ Offline
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clickbangdead wrote:
6 packs of the 320gram bovedas have fairly regularly showed up on the scary site for <$80 with free ship. Think I paid $72 last time, but that was a year or two ago. Have to check every day, as the deals change everyday and some days there are none, others wrong RH. You have to switch to the accessories view to see them.


Great price on those. Once I figure out "the scary place" I'll keep an eye out.
I'm usually pretty good at figuring these out, this one stumps me.
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