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Trump Says Jews Who Vote for Democrats Hate Their Religion, Israel
rfenst Offline
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Democrats condemned the former president, who has made such claims in the past


WSJ
Donald Trump has again claimed the Democratic Party “hates Israel” and that Jewish Americans who vote for Democrats “hate” their religion, recycling a claim he made as president that such voters show disloyalty to their faith.

“I actually think they hate Israel,” the former president told Sebastian Gorka, a former adviser who hosts a conservative radio program, in a lengthy interview posted late Monday.

A few moments later he added that Democrats “see a lot of votes” among Americans who are calling for a cease-fire in the Israel-Hamas war and are therefore toughening their stance with Israel.

“Any Jewish person that votes for Democrats hates their religion, they hate everything about Israel and they should be ashamed of themselves,” Trump said.

President Biden’s campaign quickly condemned the comments.

“The only person who should be ashamed here is Donald Trump,” James Singer, a Biden campaign spokesman, said. “Trump is going to lose again this November because Americans are sick of his hateful resentment, personal attacks, and extreme agenda.”

Trump made the comments in response to a question from Gorka on Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer’s (D., N.Y.) call this past week for a “new election” in Israel.

Schumer, the highest-ranking Jewish politician in the U.S. and a staunch ally of Israel, criticized Trump’s comments in an online post Monday evening.

“To make Israel a partisan issue only hurts Israel and the US-Israeli relationship,” he wrote on X. “Trump is making highly partisan and hateful rants.”

Jonathan Greenblatt, chief executive of the Anti-Defamation League, a Jewish advocacy group, also criticized Trump in a posting on X.

“Accusing Jews of hating their religion because they might vote for a particular party is defamatory & patently false,” he wrote. “Serious leaders who care about the historic US-Israel alliance should focus on strengthening, rather than unraveling, bipartisan support for the State of Israel.”

Trump made similar comments during his presidency, including in 2019.

“Any Jewish people that vote for a Democrat, I think it shows either a total lack of knowledge or great disloyalty,” he said in the Oval Office during a stream of comments about Reps. Rashida Tlaib (D., Mich.) and Ilhan Omar (D., Minn.), the first two Muslim women members of Congress who had earlier been barred from entering Israel.

Several Jewish organizations at the time also condemned those remarks, including by pointing out that accusing Jews of “disloyalty” to their country is a longstanding antisemitic trope.

Jews have long voted heavily Democratic. In 2021, the Pew Research Center reported that 71% of Jewish voters said they were Democrats or leaned that way.
ZRX1200 Offline
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If you don’t vote for him, you ain’t Jewish.

It’s funny to watch reactions when you change 1-2 words and the idea of a quote stays the same.
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I was thinking the exact same thing, Z...

Also, U.S. Dems have been wrong on nearly all major ME/Israeli policy decisions (except funding/aid) re Israel in my entire lifetime.
RayR Offline
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Trump sure has a funny way with words that always cause OUTRAGE!
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I guess withholding military aid to Israel like the Biden Administration is doing is okay then. Even when the Iron Dome needs resupply because they're still taking rocket fire!

Let me see if I have this right...we broker this 2 state solution to Israel (coincidence that the majority of the time its a Democrat in the White House and Nobel Peace Prizes are tossed about like participation trophies!)...with their land...with US taxpayer funds we "help" the Palestinians with "humanitarian aid"...they in turn don't funnel the money or supplies to the actual people in need...for decades...instead they use the pipes we sent to build rockets and missiles because, well who needs clean water and sewers? Then at the same time have children's versions of Sesame Street and Mr. Rogers Neighborhood broadcasting it's okay to kill Israelis and that they're not human...all while funding spouses with "pensions" because their hubby's were killed battling for "freedom" within the confines of hospitals, daycare centers and schools???


Where am I wrong? It sounds very counterproductive to any long standing commitment to Peace. Now, after this latest massacre (let's call it what it was!) the nation was supposed to do what? Let it slide? The perspective I see it in is a bit over 9 million people and they lost 1,200 (and 31 Americans!), who knows how many wounded and raped that puts our 9/11 as a scratch in comparison. Was the World supposed to let Israel take it on the chin again? My answer is let them clean the slate. But, how can I be so heartless? Let's see...not a single neighboring nation would admit the fleeing Palestinians into their nation, because they're terrorists! Why should Israel put up with them digging a complete tunnel system underneath their feet and wait for another sneak attack? The World won't miss these fanatical busybodies. Take them out. Let Israel develop their land and their nation.

As for Trump's comments...he made them. Most of the time he's saying what most dare to think out loud. I get that, because I too dare to speak that what most won't admit to verbally say out loud. I suppose one could hold it in, but it's like holding a beachball underwater. It's tiring and sooner or later someone is going to get splashed whether they're the recipient or not. To his point it does seem counterproductive. Netanyahu has the backing of his people to weed out the attackers despite Chuck "You" Schumer's claim to upend a free election with one of his choosing! Think about that for a second. The Democratic Senate Leader calling for the removal of an elected official because he dares to defend his people and nation!?! He likes to wave his yamaka when it's convenient for a political statement. This is a leading Democrat. We have a President that waited days to utter words about the attack, sided with Israel and backpeddled to the point where he's pro Hamas and damning Israel. No, I can somewhat see where Trump is coming from on this one. Remember when Bathhouse Barry made Bibi and the Dalai Lama use the backdoor to leave the White House with garbage bags waist high? No? That was the indignation the Democrat party has shown for over a decade now and with Clownshoes in charge why would you expect a change in attitude towards Israel? You can't have it both ways and expect decent results. It's a repeated pattern of behavior. Remind me how many decades it was made that the US would move it's diplomats to Jerusalem and who got that done again.
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I hope this thread doesn’t turn into a bloodbath.
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BLOODBATH!? OUTRAGEOUS! LEFTY HEADS EXPLODED!

Trump Rips Media for Exploiting 'Bloodbath' Comment

By Charlie McCarthy | Monday, 18 March 2024 12:48 PM EDT

Quote:
Former President Donald Trump slammed Democrats and the mainstream media for exploiting his "bloodbath" comment about the U.S. auto industry and for taking his words out of context.

At an Ohio rally on Saturday, Trump spoke about the danger facing the U.S car industry from imports.

"If I don't get elected, it's going to be a bloodbath for the whole — that's going to be the least of it. It's going to be a bloodbath for the country," Trump said.

Although the former president clearly was discussing the auto industry, mainstream media outlets took the word "bloodbath" and ran with it.

More...and Video:

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/trump-media-dems/2024/03/18/id/1157648/
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ZRX1200 wrote:
If you don’t vote for him, you ain’t Jewish.

It’s funny to watch reactions when you change 1-2 words and the idea of a quote stays the same.

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ZRX1200 wrote:
If you don’t vote for him, you ain’t Jewish.

It’s funny to watch reactions when you change 1-2 words and the idea of a quote stays the same.

What's funny about his trope?
It is bigoted and insulting.
Tikkun Olam and Tzedakah...
rfenst Offline
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#5
You explain your viewpoint nicely.
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rfenst wrote:
#5
You explain your viewpoint nicely.


Here's a bit of a backstory....

https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-netanyahus-new-book-obamas-disrespect-an-afghan-invite-the-annexation-fiasco/
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I didn’t say the perceived trope was funny either way. I didn’t think it was funny when Captain Sleepy Creepy did literally the exact same thing, which is in fact the SOLE THING I was pointing out.

I was pointing out the precedent that is ignored in this discussion in the context at large, not by your post.

I’m a tribe member by default….so take it with a grain of salt how important I think my opinion is on the overall impact to practicing members. Said opinion was in the larger political sense having nothing to do with what Cheeto Jesus said. I know a lot is lost in electronic communications translated by reading.

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Since the true Gods of the LEFTY Democrat cult are GOVERNMENT and DUHMACRACY, I find nothing fundamentally incorrect about what Trumpy said. If some self-proclaimed Jews or Christians worship false idols like that, they must hate their religious teachings.
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I don’t care it’s just more noise, I get rfenster’s passion given that DJT isn’t Jewish. I care about the lack of consistency in the public square of ideas given the special privileges afforded to the media (that doesn’t get lawfared against anyways).
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I don’t care it’s just more noise



Same here. My outrage level is zero. That goes for all of the crazy chit Joe Sanostra says too.

I already know it's not going to get any better economically for at least a couple decades, if ever. All this soap opera stuff is only a distraction from our rapidly declining standard of living.

Divest yourself from the 5 min of hate and put that energy into something constructive while you still can.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I don’t care it’s just more noise, I get rfenster’s passion given that DJT isn’t Jewish. I care about the lack of consistency in the public square of ideas given the special privileges afforded to the media (that doesn’t get lawfared against anyways).


If you are on the fringes of journalism, that is what LEFTY labels as right-wing extremists, they will lawfare you.
See VDARE for instance.
https://vdare.com/articles/what-vdare-com-needs-now-is-a-miracle-peter-and-lydia-brimelow-on-nyag-letitia-james-lawfare

The usual Leftist characters will persecute you, including Letitia James, and the hatemongers t the SPLC.

Lydia Brimelow recently spoke with Tom Woods on his podcast. Veddy interesting.

Lawfare Against Normal People Is Here

"Tucker Carlson recently interviewed Lydia Brimelow of the VDARE website on the lawfare directed against them, but in general it's been ignored. But it shouldn't be. Lydia and her colleagues are obviously being targeted for their political views despite not having broken any laws, and this phenomenon is unlikely to end here."

https://rumble.com/v4jhrel-lawfare-against-normal-people-is-here.html


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This isn’t news…..we’re a couple president into journalists being punished and generations into other journalists being useful tools.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
This isn’t news…..we’re a couple president into journalists being punished and generations into other journalists being useful tools.


True, it's nothing new but it's still shocking to hear in detail Lydia Brimelow's description of what they have gone through, and not just the lawfare part. Terrorizing and persecuting hoping to eliminate people the Lefties don't like, that's their ultimate goal.


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Both of those octogenarian pricckkss can't remember what they each said last week let alone two yrs ago...

I don't want to vote for either ONE Of those two douche bags...

Joe stranosa and Barry bathhouse **** SUCKER GREENLIGHTED ME OVER 8 TIMES...

THEN IDIOT ORANGE MENG GAVE THE FINAL " KILL MR. JONES " ON JAN.8, 2018 DURING HAPPY HR ON A MONDAY @ THE APPALA HIAN BREWERY IN HARRISBURG, PA..?
WTF??
DRUGGED TWICE BY KETAMINE +
PLUS WHO KNOWS WHAT ELSE...
45-50 MINUTES AWAY FROM MY H.U.T. AND I WAS ALONE BOTH TIMES,
I.E. I HAD TO DRIVE MYSELF...

CAN YOU SAY "ATTEMPTED MURDER...TWICE" ???
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Mr. Jones wrote:
Both of those octogenarian pricckkss can't remember what they each said last week let alone two yrs ago...

I don't want to vote for either ONE Of those two douche bags...

Joe stranosa and Barry bathhouse **** SUCKER GREENLIGHTED ME OVER 8 TIMES...

THEN IDIOT ORANGE MENG GAVE THE FINAL " KILL MR. JONES " ON JAN.8, 2018 DURING HAPPY HR ON A MONDAY @ THE APPALA HIAN BREWERY IN HARRISBURG, PA..?
WTF??
DRUGGED TWICE BY KETAMINE +
PLUS WHO KNOWS WHAT ELSE...
45-50 MINUTES AWAY FROM MY H.U.T. AND I WAS ALONE BOTH TIMES,
I.E. I HAD TO DRIVE MYSELF...

CAN YOU SAY "ATTEMPTED MURDER...TWICE" ???


If the government wanted you dead, you would be dead a long time ago.
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They never called the professionals ... Mellow
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rfenst wrote:
What's funny about his trope?
It is bigoted and insulting.
Tikkun Olam and Tzedakah...



But - that is what the MAGA Right LOVE about him.
Selling the idea that people who are "different" are the "problem with America" is the way to bring the bigots together and get votes. Besides, to them, having the Top Dog kick around a few immigrants, or Jews, is a Hoot!
They don't' like congeniality. They what them different people to get a punch in the face.

Give Trump a chance again, and we'll see the "fail solution" to all those "people who hate America" - or their religion.

Remember; It's not two political parties that disagree over taxes, abortion, student loaned, etc. It is those who love America against those who hate America. And of course, only MAGA "loves" America.




And don't forget to make a donations - it you want "America to be Great Again"....
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I didn’t say the perceived trope was funny either way. I didn’t think it was funny when Captain Sleepy Creepy did literally the exact same thing, which is in fact the SOLE THING I was pointing out.

I was pointing out the precedent that is ignored in this discussion in the context at large, not by your post.

I’m a tribe member by default….so take it with a grain of salt how important I think my opinion is on the overall impact to practicing members. Said opinion was in the larger political sense having nothing to do with what Cheeto Jesus said. I know a lot is lost in electronic communications translated by reading.


I am no hard Bidden fan, but to the best of my knowledge he hasn't come close to crossing the religion line that Trump did.
When did Bidden literally do the exact same against Jews?
What exactly, word for word, did he say?
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RayR wrote:
Since the true Gods of the LEFTY Democrat cult are GOVERNMENT and DUHMACRACY, I find nothing fundamentally incorrect about what Trumpy said. If some self-proclaimed Jews or Christians worship false idols like that, they must hate their religious teachings.

What false idols do Jews worship?
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rfenst wrote:
What false idols do Jews worship?



I read in your #1 post that "71% of Jewish voters said they were Democrats or leaned that way". Why is that?
I don't know how many Christians do so, but we know they exist too.
Serious question, how do the collectivist doctrines of the left fit in with Judeo-Christian teachings?

It seems to me they've all tossed aside the 10 Commandments and have taken up the 10 Commandments of the Communist Manifesto as their guide in one form or another.

"There is no uniform collectivist ideology, but many collectivist doctrines. Each of them extols a different collectivist entity and requests all decent people to submit to it. Each sect worships its own idol and is intolerant of all rival idols. Each ordains total subjection of the individual, each is totalitarian." —Ludwig von Mises, Theory and History

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RayR wrote:
I read in your #1 post that "71% of Jewish voters said they were Democrats or leaned that way". Why is that?
I don't know how many Christians do so, but we know they exist too.
Serious question, how do the collectivist doctrines of the left fit in with Judeo-Christian teachings?

It seems to me they've all tossed aside the 10 Commandments and have taken up the 10 Commandments of the Communist Manifesto as their guide in one form or another.

"There is no uniform collectivist ideology, but many collectivist doctrines. Each of them extols a different collectivist entity and requests all decent people to submit to it. Each sect worships its own idol and is intolerant of all rival idols. Each ordains total subjection of the individual, each is totalitarian." —Ludwig von Mises, Theory and History


See #9.
RayR Offline
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rfenst wrote:
See #9.


That's not an answer. Explain
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#20 hockey-hurtin'

I ain't so sure....
They tried over 9 freakin' times dude to off me...
And I'm still north of a dirt nap...

Most of it through having big balls and tradecraft training plus
an Irish stubborn streak that never gives up...

I hate the FBI...AND THE FBI-SSG DIVISION in particular.....
Sick murderous pricks with guns and badges and Carter Blanche to break any local ,state and federal law ever written and or passed...
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Brewha wrote:
But - that is what the MAGA Right LOVE about him.
Selling the idea that people who are "different" are the "problem with America" is the way to bring the bigots together and get votes. Besides, to them, having the Top Dog kick around a few immigrants, or Jews, is a Hoot!
They don't' like congeniality. They what them different people to get a punch in the face.

Give Trump a chance again, and we'll see the "fail solution" to all those "people who hate America" - or their religion.

Remember; It's not two political parties that disagree over taxes, abortion, student loaned, etc. It is those who love America against those who hate America. And of course, only MAGA "loves" America.




And don't forget to make a donations - it you want "America to be Great Again"....



https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2024/03/20/biden-makes-ridiculously-racist-comment-about-black-families-during-radio-interview-n2171662#google_vignette

He's gonna put ya'll back in chainz!
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Plus Robert....


https://www.newsweek.com/houthi-yemen-israel-eilat-missile-1881145

The witless Secretary of State we have now trying to bargain with terrorists....AGAIN...only shows the weakness to the World.
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They just need more money.
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I’m not too worried about any of this. I figure Israel has maybe ten years left.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I don’t care it’s just more noise, I get rfenster’s passion given that DJT isn’t Jewish. I care about the lack of consistency in the public square of ideas given the special privileges afforded to the media (that doesn’t get lawfared against anyways).

What you don't get is that I would feel the same even if he was Jewish.
The media has nothing to do with what came out of Trump's mouth.
Put the shoe on your other foot and see how it feels.
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The irony.

The sweet sweet taste….

Forest n trees n stuff.
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https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/03/22/biden-netanyahu-friendship-pressure-campaign-00148328


The delineation is becoming glaringly obvious.




"In recent weeks, after months of Netanyahu openly defying Biden’s calls for restraint in Gaza, the president launched an unprecedented and very public pressure campaign. He slapped sanctions on Israeli settlers and settlements. He invited Netanyahu’s chief rival, Benny Gantz, to the White House to meet with Vice President Kamala Harris. He issued a National Security Council memo suggesting that military aid to Israel should be conditioned on the delivery of humanitarian aid. And he told MSNBC that Netanyahu was “hurting Israel more than helping Israel,” all the while reportedly fuming in private about what an “****” Netanyahu had become."
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I heard Creepy Chucky Schumer was calling for regime change in Israel. Anxious
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RayR wrote:
I heard Creepy Chucky Schumer was calling for regime change in Israel. Anxious


Hamas also wants regime change in Israel.
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HockeyDad wrote:
Hamas also wants regime change in Israel.



Ya, but Chucky wants a regime change via DUHMACRACY. Hamas, not so much.
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HockeyDad wrote:
Hamas also wants regime change in Israel.

Unless there is a two state solution, I give it a bit longer than that with the rate Israeli Palestinians (citizens) are out-producing Israeli Jews.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
The irony.

The sweet sweet taste….

Forest n trees n stuff.

There is no irony.
I equally stand against what Bidden and some Democrats have had to say about different ethnic groups.
It's that this time... Trump gorred my ox with a dangerous trope.
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