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The Black Banners, How Torture Derailed the War on Terror after 9/11
Gene363 Offline
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Just finished reading this book, it's a real eye opener on the CIA, F'ing up and lying about the war on terror. I'm no fan of the FBI, however this case they were on the right track and could have prevented the 9/11 attacks as well as apprehending those responsible much earlier.


The Black Banners (Declassified): How Torture Derailed the War on Terror after 9/11

By: Ali H. Soufan

Everyone needs thread this book, it's going to piss you off no regardless of your political ilk.

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A new, fully uncensored edition of the definitive insider's account of the War on Terror

'A former FBI agent's memoir on the War on Terror is declassified after 9 years' Time

'One of the most valuable and detailed accounts of its subject to appear in the past decade' Economist

The ultimate insider's account of the battle against terrorism, Ali Soufan's revelatory account of his history-making decade as the FBI's lead investigator into al-Qaeda shaped our understanding of counter-terror operations - and led to hard questions being asked of American and British leaders.

When The Black Banners was first published in 2011, significant portions of the text were redacted. After a CIA review those restrictions have been lifted, and the result is this explosive new edition, The Black Banners (Declassified). Alongside a new foreword by Soufan, the declassified documents uncover shocking details on the use of torture on terror suspects, how these 'enhanced interrogation techniques' failed to secure reliable intelligence, and in fact actively derailed the fight against al-Qaeda. By contrast we see Soufan at work using empathy and intelligent questioning - not force or violence - to extract some of the most important confessions in the war.

Taking us from the interrogation rooms where Soufan would share food and films with the suspects so he could bond with them, to the hideouts of bin Laden, Ali Soufan reveals with intimate, first-hand knowledge the unbelievable truth about America's security agencies, 9/11, and the global 'War on Terror'.
Abrignac Offline
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Thanks Gene. I had a fairly decent sized library of hardbacks, but the flood ruined them all. This may be my first purchase for the new iteration.
Gene363 Offline
#3 Posted:
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Abrignac wrote:
Thanks Gene. I had a fairly decent sized library of hardbacks, but the flood ruined them all. This may be my first purchase for the new iteration.


I've got the paperback, but you're welcome to it.
Abrignac Offline
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Gene363 wrote:
I've got the paperback, but you're welcome to it.



I'll keep that in mind.
Mr. Jones Offline
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I don't know gene363...

Have you ever been in a room with a nude interrogation subject
At 25 degrees or 110 degrees with a bernz-0-matic torch or razor sharp stainless steel bonsai tree trimmers?
After 3 wrong answers and losing consciousness...
They start telling the absolute truth...

BAR NONE.
ZRX1200 Offline
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Joined: 07-08-2007
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Jonsie, I keep a set of hand mixer beaters that I’ve dremeled teeth into for that kinda fun.
Mr. Jones Offline
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You ARE the BETTY CROCKER SPONGE CAKE....BOYYYYEEEEE
Gene363 Offline
#8 Posted:
Joined: 01-24-2003
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Mr. Jones wrote:
I don't know gene363...

Have you ever been in a room with a nude interrogation subject
At 25 degrees or 110 degrees with a bernz-0-matic torch or razor sharp stainless steel bonsai tree trimmers?
After 3 wrong answers and losing consciousness...
They start telling the absolute truth...

BAR NONE.


No such experience, thank the lord, but I believe torture is going to make someone say anything to stop the torture. Even nonviolent coercion has caused many false confessions.

I have also read about the interrogation of Japanese prisoners, by Nisi interrogators. They had the best success with respectful and humane treatment of prisoners. Not unlike the situations detailed on the book Black Banners, the prisoners expected very harsh treatment and were taken back by decent treatment.
Mr. Jones Offline
#9 Posted:
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O.K.

1 digit complete disbelief/ brief pain
2 digit pain and aggression , pain is a level 10
3 digit unconscious , no pain you blackout

Smelling salts

You spill you entire guts and beg beg beg
Mr. Jones Offline
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P.S.
1983-84 C.A./S.A. slang
T.P.O.R.
Two pinks one ring
Mr. Jones Offline
#11 Posted:
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Me either gene....
I just heard those stories from several SPOOKS/GHOSTS I've met over the years...when they would drink too much the stories got very d.a.r.k....
But I totally believed them...
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