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ELON tells Advertisers to "gO F$#k yoUrSeLeVeS"
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ELON " don't try and blackmail me with advertising..with money...
Just go f#@k yoUrSeLeVeS"

I think he has an end game that was several steps ahead of everyone on earth.

I have roughed him in the past saying buying Twitter was the dumbest he ever did...but maybe he didn't mind losing his own $13 billion along with $31 billion of other people's money which he borrowed and had advantagious agreements as to if he personally was responsible for any of that loan amount...like not responsible for any of that additional $31 billion it took to buy Twitter....

He may have just pulled off one of the biggest ripoffs of mega millionaires and billionaREs in Earth's history...just to let it go bankrupt in regards to free speech rights and he doesn't even give a crap about the money.$$$
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What he said will turn those advertisers, current advertisers and potential new advertisers, away for a while or longer. Another case of him not keeping his big mouth shut.
RayR Offline
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Who are these thin-skinned advertisers that hate free speech?
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^

The Jacobins? :)
Mr. Jones Offline
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I think it's awesome 👍👍👍😎😎😎

You fight the MENG...

YOU BREAK ALL THE RULES AND U HAVE NO ALLIES...

I KNOW THE FEELING IN SPADES...

I LIVED THRU IT, IM STILL HERE ..
F##K THE MAN, **** THE GOVERNMENT..
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unlikely they hate free speech.
perhaps they love free speech but hate what his chosen speech was...and reacted?

deciding to not spend money on him after what he said is an excellent example of both free speech and free speech protesting unpopular free speech.
freedom resides in the extremes.

he deserved criticism anyway.
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Who is John Galt?
DrafterX Offline
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Elon likes his money..
He makes alot they say... Mellow
rfenst Offline
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RayR wrote:
Who are these thin-skinned advertisers that hate free speech?

Zero government involved. Not a First Amendment issue.
RayR Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
unlikely they hate free speech.
perhaps they love free speech but hate what his chosen speech was...and reacted?

deciding to not spend money on him after what he said is an excellent example of both free speech and free speech protesting unpopular free speech.
freedom resides in the extremes.

he deserved criticism anyway.



In other words they love free speech only selectively, not absolutely. They chose to not support more free speech but chose to react by pulling or threatening to pull their advertising because Musk agreed with something some X user said. I think maybe these corporations are afraid that more free speech would reveal that they are supporting those hate promoting organizations that Musk is alluding to.and/or they think that their advertising dollars should buy what kind of speech they desire to be allowed on the public square.

This is interesting...

https://bit.ly/47XQNyx
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rfenst wrote:
Zero government involved. Not a First Amendment issue.


Who said it was? But when the government does gets involved in dicktating what is free speech, I'll be against iit.
rfenst Offline
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RayR wrote:
In other words they love free speech only selectively, not absolutely. They chose to not support more free speech but chose to react by pulling or threatening to pull their advertising because Musk agreed with something some X user said. I think maybe these corporations are afraid that more free speech would reveal that they are supporting those hate promoting organizations that Musk is alluding to.and/or they think that their advertising dollars should buy what kind of speech they desire to be allowed on the public square.

This is interesting...

https://bit.ly/47XQNyx


I think we all get to vote with our dollars in the marketplace of ideas.

Freedom of Speech = government limitation
Free Speech = all non-government communication
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RayR wrote:
In other words they love free speech only selectively, not absolutely. They chose to not support more free speech but chose to react by pulling or threatening to pull their advertising because Musk agreed with something some X user said. I think maybe these corporations are afraid that more free speech would reveal that they are supporting those hate promoting organizations that Musk is alluding to.and/or they think that their advertising dollars should buy what kind of speech they desire to be allowed on the public square.

This is interesting...

not interested in your links but will discuss ideas with you...

that said, you have convoluted the episode.
Speaking (or reacting monetarily) against the free speech of others is not selectively supporting the right to do so, nor is it selectively campaigning to take away the right to do so.
Both sides have freely expressed how they feel about anti-semitic posts.
I also have an opinion of such garbage, that does not mean I support taking away the rights of others no matter how disgusting and fringe the view.
Short of endangering lives, there aren't a whole lot of situations in which I feel tolerance should be extended.

In reality, this is an excellent example of promoting and protecting even the ugliest of speech...without which all of our rights to speak freely are worthless.
RayR Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
not interested in your links but will discuss ideas with you...

that said, you have convoluted the episode.
Speaking (or reacting monetarily) against the free speech of others is not selectively supporting the right to do so, nor is it selectively campaigning to take away the right to do so.
Both sides have freely expressed how they feel about anti-semitic posts.
I also have an opinion of such garbage, that does not mean I support taking away the rights of others no matter how disgusting and fringe the view.
Short of endangering lives, there aren't a whole lot of situations in which I feel tolerance should be extended.

In reality, this is an excellent example of promoting and protecting even the ugliest of speech...without which all of our rights to speak freely are worthless.


OK you link denying fellow. Yer not interested in what Musk himself has to say?
You'd rather have the corporate media feed you?

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RayR wrote:
OK you link denying fellow. Yer not interested in what Musk himself has to say?
You'd rather have the corporate media feed you?

I have listened to and read Musk, but don't care what he has to say- after the fact. He has already said too much to deserve a free pass. That is, he has squeezed the toothpaste out of the tube too many times. And, we all know you cannot put toothpaste back into the tube.
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rfenst wrote:
I have listened to and read Musk, but don't care what he has to say- after the fact. He has already said too much to deserve a free pass. That is, he has squeezed the toothpaste out of the tube too many times. And, we all know you cannot put toothpaste back into the tube.


That sounds like an emotional argument -k
You don't have to agree or disagree with everything he says, but how about some factual criticism
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frankj1 wrote:
not interested in your links but will discuss ideas with you...

that said, you have convoluted the episode.
Speaking (or reacting monetarily) against the free speech of others is not selectively supporting the right to do so, nor is it selectively campaigning to take away the right to do so.
Both sides have freely expressed how they feel about anti-semitic posts.
I also have an opinion of such garbage, that does not mean I support taking away the rights of others no matter how disgusting and fringe the view.
Short of endangering lives, there aren't a whole lot of situations in which I feel tolerance should be extended.

In reality, this is an excellent example of promoting and protecting even the ugliest of speech...without which all of our rights to speak freely are worthless.

meant to say there aren't a whole lot of situations in which I feel tolerance should NOT be extended
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So, Frankie... with his purchase of twitter and exposure of what they were doing (colluding with the gov't) why do you think that big tech is now colluding to try to take him down?

Aren't you glad he exposed the government and big tech collusion/corruption?
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The Storm Brewing Inside Elon Musk’s Mind Gets Out

His giant F-bombs overshadowed his Israel trip and Cybertruck launch


WSJ

The complicated mind of Elon Musk has taken center stage—intentionally or not.

This could have been—should have been—a week all about Musk’s goodwill trip to Israel that he made Monday after an outcry followed his tweeting in support of antisemitic vitriol.

Or, it could have been—should have been—all about Tesla finally delivering his promised Cybertruck pickups Thursday after years of delays and pent-up excitement.

But Elon did Elon. He overshadowed that all when he publicly told advertisers—jittery over that infamous tweet of his—to go f— themselves while at the same time conceding his controversial tweet was foolish.


A calm mind might have picked an approach: defiant, or sorry. But both?

“My mind often feels…like a very wild storm,” Musk said Wednesday in the same interview. “I’m a fountain of ideas. I mean I have more ideas than I could possibly execute. So I have no shortage of ideas. Innovation is not a problem, execution is a problem.”

He was speaking at the New York Times DealBook Summit on Wednesday in New York City, a high-profile event run by one of the media juggernauts he has been openly needling.

He was only there, Musk said, because of his friendship with the host, Andrew Ross Sorkin. Or, as Musk called him on stage, “Jonathan.”

“I’m Andrew,” Sorkin said.

For years, Musk has both dazzled fans with engineering feats at car company Tesla and rocket-maker SpaceX, while also confounded them with his personal antics like getting into nasty fights with randoms on Twitter-turned-X.

Musk has been hinting at the challenge of balancing it all in his own mind.

“Context switching is the mindkiller,” he tweeted the day after Thanksgiving, a favorite axiom of his that mixes a quote from the sci-fi book “Dune” with computer lingo for multitasking.

In “Dune,” fear is the mind-killer—the idea that the primal reaction to fear is to recoil rather than go forward. In essence, fear is an obstacle to be overcome to reach success. For Musk, the challenge to overcome is being able to handle switching between rockets and tweets and cars and brain computers and drilling machines and superhuman artificial intelligence.

Musk has developed a reputation for a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde personality—intense mood swings between charming visionary and raging tyrant.

On Wednesday, during the roughly 90-minute appearance on stage, Musk cycled through angry Elon, aggrieved Elon, vulnerable Elon, jokester Elon, philosopher Elon, grandiose Elon.

He touched on suicidal thoughts he had as a child and talked about the importance of searching for meaning in reaching for life beyond this planet; he stated that he has no problem if people hate him while complaining how hurtful it was that President Biden snubbed him at event honoring the electric-car industry.

In the moment that ricocheted around the world, Musk told advertisers unhappy with him to go f— themselves, saying he was unwilling to pander to their “blackmail” and warned they threatened to bankrupt the social-media platform he acquired slightly more than a year ago. And if they were successful, he warned, “See how Earth responds to that.”

Earlier in the day, Disney Chief Executive Bob Iger, on the same stage, carefully expressed respect for Musk’s accomplishments as he explained why his company recently stopped advertising on X.

“Elon is larger than life in many respects and his name is very much tied to the companies he either has founded or he owns,” Iger said. “By him taking the position that he took, in quite a public manner, we just felt that the association with that position and Elon Musk and X was not necessarily a positive one for us.”


To Musk, the likes of Disney are trying to squelch his freedom of speech. To others, they are simply exercising their rights to walk away.

“Go. F—. Yourself,” Musk said on stage to a stunned audience. “Is that clear? I hope it is. Hey, Bob, if you’re in the audience.”

What’s been so jarring for so many watching Musk over the past 18 months has been his seeming self-inflicted mistakes
as he tried to remake X into his liking and struggled at it so publicly, all while undercutting successes at his other companies.

For Musk, the problem may well be that what made him successful with SpaceX and Tesla required a different mindset than running X. With space and cars, there have been painful, public failures as he learned, adjusted and tried anew. Rockets exploded. Production lines snarled. And through it all, he has developed a guiding principle.

“Physics is the law and everything else was a recommendation,” Musk reiterated this week. “You can break any law made by humans, but try breaking a law made by physics—it is much more difficult. If you’re wrong, and persistent being wrong, the rockets will blow up and the cars will fail.”

To emphasize his point, Musk added: “We’re not trying to figure out what flavor of ice cream is the best flavor.”

In the end, clearly, Musk doesn’t want to be judged by an errant tweet. He wants to be judged by his engineering: what he has made, what he sends to the heavens.

“The track record of the rocket is the best by far of anything. You could hate my guts, you could not trust me—it is irrelevant,” Musk said of SpaceX. “With respect to Tesla, we make the best cars whether you hate me, like me or indifferent. Do you want the best car or do you not want the best car?”

Moreover, Musk suggested, the swirling storm in his head has helped make him who he is—good and bad. “These demons of the mind…are, for the most part, harnessed to productive ends,” he said. “That doesn’t mean, once in a while they, you know, go wrong.”
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World's most evil corporations worried Elon Musk and X might tarnish their reputations??

LOL
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Elon Musk's X worth 71.5% less than it was when he bought the platform in 2022, Fidelity says



CBS NEWS

X, the social media platform formerly known as Twitter, is now worth an estimated 71.5% less than it was when Elon Musk purchased the platform in Oct. 2022, according to a Fidelity securities filing dated Dec. 30, 2023.

The asset management firm, which owns an equity stake in the company under X Holdings Corp., previously slashed X's valuation to a third of Musk's $44 billion purchase price in May of last year.

The new valuation from Fidelity's Blue Chip Growth Fund, which reported data through Nov. 30, 2023, estimates that its shares of X are worth $5.3 million — down from an estimated $6.3 million in October and far from the $19.66 million valuation of its stake just prior to Musk's takeover.

The many controversies that have plagued the platform since the Tesla CEO's purchase scared off advertisers and resulted in more than half of them halting spending on X less than a month after Musk's acquisition was finalized.

In November, major advertisers including Disney, Apple, and Coca Cola pulled paid advertising off the platform to distance themselves from Musk after his endorsement of an antisemitic post.

Musk had praised a post that said Jews "have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them."

He has since apologized. "I am quite sorry," he said at The New York Times' DealBook Summit in November last year, adding, "I should, in retrospect, not have replied to that particular post."

Musk said that the ad boycott could "kill the company," but he defiantly added, "I hope they stop. Don't advertise," he said at the summit.

"If somebody is going to try to blackmail me with advertising, blackmail me with money, go f**k yourself. Go f**k yourself. Is that clear? I hope it is
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In unrelated news, Elon Musk is the richest man in the world.
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Pretty sure he’s the definition of “F U money”
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Pretty sure he’s the definition of “F U money”

In his very own words, no less.
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Elon Musk Has Used Illegal Drugs, Worrying Leaders at Tesla and SpaceX

Some executives and board members fear the billionaire’s use of drugs—including LSD, cocaine, ecstasy, mushrooms and ketamine—could harm his companies


WSJ

Elon Musk and his supporters offer several explanations for his contrarian views, unfiltered speech and provocative antics. They’re an expression of his creativity. Or the result of his mental-health challenges. Or fallout from his stress, or sleep deprivation.

In recent years, some executives and board members at his companies and others close to the billionaire have developed a persistent concern that there is another component driving his behavior: his use of drugs.

And they fear the Tesla TSLA -0.18%decrease; red down pointing triangle and SpaceX chief executive’s drug use could have major consequences not just for his health, but also the six companies and billions in assets he oversees, according to people familiar with Musk and the companies.

The world’s wealthiest person has used LSD, cocaine, ecstasy and psychedelic mushrooms, often at private parties around the world, where attendees sign nondisclosure agreements or give up their phones to enter, according to people who have witnessed his drug use and others with knowledge of it. Musk has previously smoked marijuana in public and has said he has a prescription for the psychedelic-like ketamine.

In 2018, for example, he took multiple tabs of acid at a party he hosted in Los Angeles. The next year he partied on magic mushrooms at an event in Mexico. In 2021, he took ketamine recreationally with his brother, Kimbal Musk, in Miami at a house party during Art Basel. He has taken illegal drugs with current SpaceX and former Tesla board member Steve Jurvetson.

People close to Musk, who is now 52, said his drug use is ongoing, especially his consumption of ketamine, and that they are concerned it could cause a health crisis. Even if it doesn’t, it could damage his businesses.

Illegal drug use would likely be a violation of federal policies that could jeopardize SpaceX’s billions of dollars in government contracts. Musk is intrinsic to the value of his companies, potentially putting at risk around $1 trillion in assets held by investors, tens of thousands of jobs and big parts of the U.S. space program.

SpaceX is the only U.S. company now approved to transport NASA astronauts to and from the International Space Station. The Pentagon, meanwhile, has stepped up purchases of SpaceX rocket launches in recent years, and the company has also been looking to develop a large business selling satellite services to national-security agencies.

One former Tesla director, Linda Johnson Rice, grew so frustrated with Musk’s volatile behavior and her concerns about his drug consumption that she didn’t stand for re-election to the electric-car company’s board in 2019, according to people familiar with the matter.

Musk didn’t respond to requests for comment.

An attorney for Musk, Alex Spiro, said that Musk is “regularly and randomly drug tested at SpaceX and has never failed a test.” Spiro, who said he represents Tesla, added in response to detailed questions that “there are other false facts” in this article but didn’t detail them.

The people around Musk long ago became accustomed to his volatile behavior. Some SpaceX executives who had long worked with him, however, noticed a change at a company event in late 2017.

Hundreds of SpaceX employees gathered around mission control at the rocket company’s headquarters in Hawthorne, Calif., in anticipation of Musk, who was nearly an hour late to arrive at the all-hands meeting about the company’s latest rocket.

When he finally took the stage, Musk was strangely incomprehensible at times. He slurred his words and rambled for around 15 minutes, according to executives in attendance, and referred repeatedly to SpaceX’s Big Falcon Rocket prototype, which was known as BFR, as “Big F—ing Rocket.”

SpaceX President Gwynne Shotwell ultimately stepped in and took over the meeting.

It couldn’t be learned if Musk was under the influence that day. But after the meeting, the SpaceX executives privately talked about their worries Musk was on drugs. One described the event as “nonsensical,” “unhinged” and “cringeworthy.”

Spiro called the description of the SpaceX incident “false as has been confirmed by countless people who were present.” He declined to elaborate on what specifically was false or describe the countless people.

Then in 2018, people familiar with Musk’s behavior said, another incident seemed to mark a turning point for him—and showed that his drug use could have consequences for his businesses. That year, Musk got into trouble with NASA for smoking marijuana on the Joe Rogan show, raising red flags for some about the business impact of Musk’s conduct and causing employees at SpaceX to be randomly tested for drugs.

In addition to violating federal contracts, any kind of illegal drug use would break company policies at both SpaceX and Tesla, and would raise questions about Musk’s executive role at the publicly traded Tesla, where the board has a duty to shareholders to oversee management.

Some Tesla board members over the years have talked among themselves about their concerns over Musk’s alleged drug use but haven’t said anything formally that would end up as an official board agenda item or in meeting minutes, people familiar with the discussions said. Some directors, including current Tesla board chair Robyn Denholm, have gone to Kimbal Musk, who is a Tesla board member and was a SpaceX board member until early 2022, for help with Musk’s behavior, without using the word “drugs,” the people said.

Some on the board and others close to Musk worried he was on drugs when he tweeted in 2018 about plans to take Tesla private, people familiar with the episode said. Kimbal Musk informally approached Musk about it on behalf of some board members, some of the people said. The tweet brought on an SEC investigation into whether the statement was misleading or false, and resulted in Musk’s agreement to step down as Tesla chairman for a time.

Some close to Musk said they learned he was under the influence during a media interview he gave soon after the tweet when he choked up describing how difficult his year had been.

Part of the issue directors have grappled with over the years is whether drug use by Musk is to blame for his unusual behavior, or if it is something else, such as his consistent lack of sleep, which he has talked about.

Musk oversees six companies, including social-media platform X, formerly Twitter; his tunneling venture, The Boring Co.; his brain implant startup, Neuralink; and a new artificial-intelligence company, xAI. His business life bleeds into his personal time in a way that is uncommon even for other chief executives.

At Tesla and X, he has said he regularly slept at the office. He often emails company lieutenants in the middle of the night, and hosts work meetings at midnight. He said he works almost nonstop. “Vacation is a strong word,” he said in 2022 court testimony. “For me, it is email with a view.”

In a new authorized biography of Musk, author Walter Isaacson described Musk’s “demon mode”: Musk, Isaacson wrote, entered into a state of intense fury and would frequently lash out at employees and executives. In the Isaacson book, Musk is quoted as saying, “I really don’t like doing illegal drugs.”

Musk and others have attributed his erratic office behavior to his mental health. A Twitter user asked in 2017 if he had bipolar disorder, which can cause mood swings, to which Musk replied affirmatively, although he said he was undiagnosed.

Musk also said, when he hosted “Saturday Night Live” in 2021, that he had Asperger’s, a form of autism.

Drug use has also been a thorny topic for directors at Musk’s companies because some of them are his close friends, and attend parties and travel with him, according to people familiar with the matter and court documents.

Musk has been known to attend parties and events at Burning Man, the Nevada arts and music festival where drugs are widely used, to blow off steam, according to people close to him.

He also throws his own private events, where drug use is common, according to people who have attended the parties.

The executive’s whereabouts are often a closely guarded secret, and he is protected by private security. At his companies, executives and employees often have to sign nondisclosure agreements.

Kimbal Musk frequently attends the same parties and events as his brother, including an Art Basel party in Miami in late 2021 when both took ketamine recreationally, according to people with knowledge of their drug use. Kimbal Musk has talked to friends about the benefits of psychedelics, and tweeted in June in support of his wife when she spoke at the country’s largest psychedelic conference about the benefits of the drugs for mental health treatment.

In 2023, The Wall Street Journal reported that Elon Musk microdoses ketamine for depression and also takes full doses at parties. Following publication of the article, Musk tweeted that ketamine is a better way to deal with depression compared with more widely prescribed antidepressants that are “zombifying” people.

In a separate tweet, Musk later said that he had a prescription for ketamine. The psychedelic-like drug can be prescribed “off label” for depression and post-traumatic stress disorder, and it is also a widely used party drug that can be purchased illegally through dealers.

As a general rule, board members and executives have long struggled with how to deal with substance abuse at their companies.

Some directors have wondered whether it is their role to police drug use outside the office, saying what executives do in their personal lives—especially with drugs that may be legal in certain instances or states—may not impact their business decisions.

At most companies, board members aren’t required to investigate an executive for drug use, but they often do take action if they believe it is impacting the business.

That can include encouraging a leave of absence for treatment or opening an investigation, corporate governance experts say. Drug use is a more challenging issue than other substance problems, such as alcohol, because possessing certain drugs, such as cocaine, can bring felony charges.

In 2020, former Zappos chief executive Tony Hsieh’s abuse of ketamine ultimately caused executives at the shoe company’s parent, Amazon, to step in, according to people familiar with those events.

Amazon executives gave Hsieh a couple of months to clean up his act, and when he wasn’t able to do so, he resigned. Hsieh was trapped in a house fire while under the influence in late 2020 and later died from his injuries.

Tesla’s code of conduct described the electric-vehicle maker as a drug-free workplace and prohibits all employees, including executives, from using them, even out of the office.

Illegal drug use by employees is also in violation of the rules that govern the more than $14 billion in contracts that Musk’s private rocket company, SpaceX, has with the U.S. government for civilian and military space missions.

Federal contracts require that companies comply with the Drug-Free Workplace Act and foster a drug-free culture with programs and policies, regardless of any state laws that may legalize some usage. Contractors can also lose security clearances because of drug abuse, defined as the use of illegal drugs or prescription medications “in a manner that deviates from approved medical direction.”

In his role as CEO and founder of SpaceX, Musk has a security clearance that gives him access to classified information.

Investors have often turned a blind eye to concerns about Musk, including his drug use, especially when Tesla is doing well, investors and people close to the board said. And in recent years, Tesla and SpaceX have both performed exceptionally. Tesla stock is up around 1,000% in the past five years, despite declines in 2022, compared with the S&P 500’s increase of around 86% in that time period. Revenue at SpaceX also has soared.

In the summer of 2018, some people around the billionaire began getting concerned that he was losing control.

Several months after the all-hands meeting at SpaceX, Musk tweeted in August that he planned to take Tesla private at $420 a share—“420” is slang for smoking marijuana—and that he had “funding secured.”

The now-infamous tweet set off a firestorm among investors, who scrambled to understand the billionaire’s plans for the electric-car maker. Tesla shares increased more than 6% the day of the tweet. The SEC launched an investigation that resulted in a settlement that included fines of $40 million and Tesla adding two independent board members and overseeing the CEO’s communications. Musk didn’t admit or deny wrongdoing.

Board members told regulators they didn’t know about Musk’s plans and were taken aback by his actions. Privately some on the board became concerned that Musk was on drugs when tweeting, and some directors briefly discussed among themselves the idea of him taking a leave of absence from Tesla, people familiar with the discussions said.

In an interview with the New York Times soon after, Musk choked up multiple times as he described the intense personal toll of leading Tesla, saying, “This past year has been the most difficult and painful year of my career.”

Behind the scenes, things were much more dire: Musk had been under the influence as he answered the reporters’ questions, according to people briefed on the episode. The CEO hadn’t informed Tesla’s communications team that he was giving the interview, people familiar with the episode said.

Soon after, Musk smoked marijuana on the comedian Rogan’s show, which can be streamed online. NASA demanded written assurances that SpaceX was complying with the federal drug-free workplace law and spent $5 million in taxpayer dollars on training for SpaceX employees, according to a letter NASA sent to the company and federal contracting records.

Elon Musk smoked marijuana on comedian Joe Rogan’s show in 2018. Musk has said the agency required drug testing at SpaceX for a year.

Corporate contractors must follow standard NASA guidelines for drug tests that usually check for marijuana and cocaine and have the ability to also test for amphetamines, opiates and PCP.

Spiro didn’t respond to a question on what type of drug tests Musk has taken.

At SpaceX and some of Musk’s other companies, including the tunnel venture Boring Co., executives began warning employees to follow company rules at all times, including to not use illegal drugs, even out of the office, according to people familiar with the warnings.

SpaceX brought in drug-sniffing dogs on a random basis to make sure employees weren’t carrying illegal substances, according to the people.

At Tesla, Denholm, the current board chair, James Murdoch and other directors sometimes gathered around Kimbal Musk informally during board breaks or after meetings to ask how Elon Musk was doing or if he was getting enough sleep, people familiar with the conversations said. While the directors wouldn’t specifically ask about substance abuse, the people said they understood the questions to be about Elon Musk’s perceived drug use.

Rice, the director who didn’t stand for re-election in 2019, raised concerns about his drug consumption more than once in side conversations with board members about Musk’s increasingly erratic behavior during her two year tenure on the board, according to people familiar with her concerns. She informally asked whether the board should investigate and was brushed off, one of the people said.

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This concern over drugs would go away if reinstated government sponsored censorship on X. (Formerly known as Twitter)
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HockeyDad wrote:
This concern over drugs would go away if reinstated government sponsored censorship on X. (Formerly known as Twitter)


True, but I heard rejecting government-sponsored censorship is proof of erratic behavior...according to the regime.
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Get to know the "K- HOLE"...
WHEN YOU TAKE IT KNOWINGLY??
WHO KNOWS?

WHEN IT IS STUCK INTO YOUR DRINK OR FOOD T.W.I.C.E

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Take a cab.
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This story reminds of the time that IBM dropped their TV sponsorship for Augusta Masters Golf Tournament. They didn't exactly say, "Go F*** Yourself!" but said it in sprit when they said, "Fine, no advertisers, we'll foot the bill."
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Take a cab.

okay, boomer
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Why Elon Musk’s $55.8 Billion Tesla Pay Package Was Struck Down in Court
Musk may have few promising legal options moving forward in a case that observers say is out of the ordinary

WSJ

A Delaware court found the richest man in the world was overpaid. Chancellor Kathaleen McCormick’s opinion on Tuesday struck down Elon Musk’s $55.8 billion compensation deal, saying the process that led to the package was deeply flawed. Here’s what you need to know about the case, and what’s next.

Why did the judge rule against Musk and Tesla?
The case stems from a lawsuit filed by a shareholder who argued the pay package should be rescinded, claiming that Tesla’s TSLA -2.24%decrease; red down pointing triangle board of directors breached their fiduciary duties to investors. The plaintiff’s lawyers argued Musk exerted too much control over the pay negotiations and failed to disclose crucial information to shareholders. And the large compensation, they alleged, failed to motivate Musk to focus solely on Tesla.

Musk and Tesla in response argued that the nine-month negotiation process was thorough and extensive, and that ensuring Musk’s continued leadership was crucial to the company’s future. They also said the deal included concessions that protected the company and shareholders.

McCormick’s ruling said the package was the largest potential compensation deal for an executive of a publicly traded company, 250 times as large as median peer pay.

Courts typically give boards deference on pay decisions, and it is rare for a judge to strike down a compensation deal. But McCormick concluded that Musk’s role as a “superstar CEO,” with an almost 22% equity stake in the company and thick ties with the directors, “dominated the process that led to board approval of his compensation plan.” She said Musk and Tesla were unable to prove that shareholders were sufficiently informed about the deal before being asked to approve it.

“In the final analysis, Musk launched a self-driving process, recalibrating the speed and direction along the way as he saw fit. The process arrived at an unfair price,” she wrote.

What legal options does Musk have now?
Musk can appeal McCormick’s ruling to the Delaware Supreme Court, but some legal experts said it may be a challenge for him to mount successful arguments that would save the compensation package.

Musk, whose lawyers didn’t respond to requests for comment, has 30 days to file an appeal.

At the trial in 2022, McCormick heard a week’s worth of testimony, and her decision was heavily anchored on the particular facts of the case. Higher courts typically defer to trial judges on factual issues, and look instead to questions of whether a judge applied the relevant law correctly. Legal observers said there weren’t obvious weaknesses in the decision that Musk could seek to exploit.

The ruling, if not overturned, could mean Tesla will have to draft a new compensation package for Musk.

Separately, Musk, in a series of social-media posts, raised the prospect of Tesla changing its state of incorporation from Delaware to another state, perhaps Texas.

If the company did so, that could lead to lawsuits arguing that such a maneuver isn’t in Tesla’s best interests, said Boston College law professor Brian Quinn.

Given that many companies incorporate in Delaware, does the decision have broader ramifications?
Some legal observers said the case is so unusual that it doesn’t necessarily change the landscape for executive pay at other companies.

“It’s pretty darn unique,” said Ann Lipton, law professor at Tulane University. “The [Tesla] board has a uniquely lackadaisical approach to the formalities of corporate governance.”

Delaware courts, where many legal battles with Fortune 500 companies play out, generally don’t micromanage business dealings, Lipton said. McCormick’s ruling focused on the appropriate process for negotiations, not what the size of an actual pay package should be.

Who is the judge who issued the ruling?
This isn’t Musk’s first dance with McCormick. She presided over his dispute with Twitter in 2022, when he was attempting to back out of his $44 billion deal to purchase the social-media site. Musk abandoned the legal effort before trial, and agreed to buy the company.

McCormick, the chancellor of the state’s Court of Chancery, is a Delaware native and has a reputation for quickly deciding cases over soured corporate deals. She’s the first woman to lead the Chancery Court in its 200-plus year history. She joined the court in 2018 and took the chief judge position in 2021.

Lawyers say McCormick, who began her career as a legal-aid attorney, has a reputation for strong preparation and an ability to quickly dissect complex corporate contracts.

During Musk’s battle with Twitter, the judge refused many requests by the billionaire for data and documents, and indicated in early rulings ahead of the trial that he had the weaker case.

In the Tesla dispute, McCormick said Musk’s legal team, led by veteran lawyers from Cravath, Swaine & Moore, was left “with the unenviable task of proving the fairness of the largest potential compensation plan in the history of public markets.”
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