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Why do people really move from state to state?
Abrignac Offline
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According to a study done by United Van Lines for the past 5 years New Jersey has been the leader in terms of percentage of out of state moves versus instate moves. The percentage for 2022 was 67% outbound vs 33% inbound. Their annual average for the past 5 years has been 70% for outbound moves.

Of those moves the number 1 reason given year after year and hovering in the low 30% range has been for retirement. The next 3 most often given reasons have been lifestyle, family and job. These reasons have moved up and down in that list year after year.

The top ten for largest net percentage of out of state moves vs in state moves; (number in parentheses indicates Local-State Tax burdens)
1. New Jersey (13.2)
2. Illinois (12.9 %)
3. New York (15.9% - highest)
4. Michigan (8.6 %)
5. Wyoming (7.5 %)
6. Pennsylvania (10.6 %)
7. Massachusetts (11.5%)
8. Nebraska (11.5 %)
9. Louisiana (9.1%)
10. California (13.5 %)

Average burden = 11.43%

The top ten for largest net percentage of in of state moves vs out of state moves:
1. Vermont (13.6%)
2. Oregon (10.8%)
3. Rhode Island (11.4%)
4. South Carolina (8.9%)
5. Delaware (12.4 %)
6. North Carolina (9.9%)
7. Washington, D.C. (12.0%)
8. South Dakota (8.4%)
9. New Mexico (10.2%)
10. Alabama (9.8%)

Average burden = 10.74%
Difference = 0.69% nice number…..

Do people really move from one state to another to escape high tax burdens? Right leaning talking heads would tend to lead you to believe it’s because of high taxes. In many cases that could be true.

Suppose someone lived in New York and who was deciding to move. Assume the sole reason for moving would be to reduce his tax burden. Then Alaska would be the choice since at 4.6% it has the lowest the local and state tax burden in the US. But, Alaska isn’t the most moved to state. In fact, it’s not even in the top 10.

In fact the average tax burden of the top 3 states people moved from is 11.43% while the burden in the top 3 states they moved to is 10.74%%. The net difference is only 0.69%. So the total average out of pocket difference for some one who earns $250,000 per year is $1,725 which is equal to less than 36% than $4,808, their weekly salary.

In terms of raw numbers the dollar amount could be significant depending on actual amount. But, as a percentage it is probably negligible. It would seem that percentage would only become significant if all other day to day expenses were also measurably lower.

Just an observation. But, it seems a worthy topic from the Truck Stop Toilet Stall Think Tank.



https://www.unitedvanlines.com/newsroom/movers-study-2022

https://taxfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/total-tax-burden-by-state-2022-state-and-local-tax-burdens-2022-state-and-local-taxes.png


Edited to correct mathematical errors.
ZRX1200 Offline
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Pretty sure it’s more than taxes though that’s a major concern for retirees. Probably an equal part leadership turning states into 💩 holes.
Abrignac Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Pretty sure it’s more than taxes though that’s a major concern for retirees. Probably an equal part leadership turning states into 💩 holes.


Honestly I was expecting your to chime in quickly. To a certain degree I agree. But then if places turning in to chit holes is a reason for leaving a state then why is Oregon #2 on the list of most moved to states? I would think the answer would have include a disclaimer that those who are moving there are seeking out towns such as where you live and not the big city chit holes you’re probably referencing.
Abrignac Offline
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Too bad they didn’t include a statistic notating the dispersion rates of inbound residents to locales by population sizes.
ZRX1200 Offline
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That’s easy.

You move from Cali to Oregon, or Washington to Oregon….less of a 💩 hole and no sales tax. Plus you get to sell your overvalued house and buy up in real value here, we call them equity refugees.
Brewha Offline
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Having been born in New Jersey, I can tell you that you never will see such breathtaking awesome beauty as the view of The Garden State in you rear view mirror.
frankj1 Offline
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check the avg for the second ten...I think it's closer to 11
ZRX1200 Offline
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11 is always close to 10 Frankie Mellow
JGKAMIN Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
check the avg for the second ten...I think it's closer to 11

Average of the 1st set is 11.43 and average of second at 10.74, not 11.4 and 9.84.Think
frankj1 Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
11 is always close to 10 Frankie Mellow

I thought she was asking for metric!
Abrignac Offline
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Went back and checked. I stand corrected and will edit the op. In my defense when this post was made I didn’t have the luxury of being able to see all the numbers as I was adding then averaging them. I was having to switch back and forth from the data sources to the thread from on my phone so I probably left one or more out, input the wrong number…. Next time I’m in the think tank I’ll try to remember to bring a pen and paper to write down the data so I don’t leave something out.

I guess I could have used the paper supplied but I don’t know if it would have held up to being written on. The wipes I bring with me are probably too damp to write on.

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HockeyDad Offline
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Abrignac wrote:
Went back and checked. I stand corrected and will edit the op. In my defense when this post was made I didn’t have the luxury of being able to see all the numbers as I was adding then averaging them. I was having to switch back and forth from the data sources to the thread from on my phone so I probably left one or more out, input the wrong number…. Next time I’m in the think tank I’ll try to remember to bring a pen and paper to write down the data so I don’t leave something out.

I guess I could have used the paper supplied but I don’t know if it would have held up to being written on. The wipes I bring with me are probably too damp to write on.

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I would have just gone with “I can’t recall.”
Abrignac Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
I would have just gone with “I can’t recall.”


Wouldn’t that have been a wicked pissah?
Brewha Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
I would have just gone with “I can’t recall.”

You did last time....
frankj1 Offline
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Anth's gud wif wurds, not so gud wif numbahs
drglnc Offline
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My in-laws moved to PA 20 years ago specifically for the tax breaks they give/gave to military retirees. they realized that every one of those positives was outweighed by a ton of little taxes assessed locally that almost completely negated the benefits.

My wife and i will eventually move from our current state (once we retire) mainly because of weather and partially just for an adventure.
danmdevries Offline
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I may have stayed in IL if the taxes were more like indiana. I looked at several places in Will County (next County south of cook/chicago) and could get a decent place for 120k. But they had tax bills of $6k-10k. For contrast I got my house for 100k, and taxes were $1200.

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