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Here We Go 1st Amendment Vs. 14th Amendment at the Judicial Branch of United States!!
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Supreme Court decides to take up Colorado's decision to bar Trump from the state's ballot

he US Supreme Court agreed to hear Donald Trump's appeal to appear on the Colorado ballot.
The Colorado Supreme Court ruled that Trump was ineligible to appear on ballots due to the 14th Amendment.
The case ultimately sets up the Supreme Court to play a major role in the election.

The US Supreme Court announced Friday that it will review a shocking decision made by the Colorado Supreme Court to bar former President Donald Trump from the state's ballot.

Justices will hear oral arguments on February 8, ensuring the case will be considered just as the GOP primary calendar heats up. Their decision could become the most impactful elections-related matter the high court has handed down since it effectively ended the 2000 presidential election in Bush v. Gore.
The nation's highest court will now have to consider a thorny set of issues, including whether Trump's actions related to the Capitol riot amounted to support of an insurrection. Justices may also consider the extent of a state's power to boot a presidential candidate off the ballot. Justice Neil Gorsuch once considered that power as an appellate court judge in a much less high-profile case.

Trump had previously asked the US Supreme Court to intervene. Before the justices agreed to hear the case, Maine's secretary of state kicked Trump off the primary ballot there. Other states, including Massachusetts, are considering similar efforts or have had voters petition to force a ruling there.
If Colorado's ruling were to stand, it would have sweeping implications for the 2024 presidential election, especially if Trump were to secure the Republican Party's nomination. Meanwhile, more than a dozen other states signaled their support for Trump in a letter to the court submitted Friday.

Trump's three appointees, Justices Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh, and Amy Coney Barrett, cemented a conservative majority on the Supreme Court. But their participation does not automatically mean that the high court will side with the former president.

In a sign of the pressure the justices may soon be facing, Alina Habba, one of Trump's attorneys, said that Kavanaugh would "step up" when it came to considering the case, though she stressed it was not because Trump fought strenuously for his confirmation.


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ZRX1200 Online
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Very Amerikkkan to hold someone accountable for something they never got charged with.
frankj1 Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Very Amerikkkan to hold someone accountable for something they never got charged with.

Jefferson Davis wasn't ever convicted either...
frankj1 Offline
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RiverRatRuss wrote:
Supreme Court decides to take up Colorado's decision to bar Trump from the state's ballot

he US Supreme Court agreed to hear Donald Trump's appeal to appear on the Colorado ballot.
The Colorado Supreme Court ruled that Trump was ineligible to appear on ballots due to the 14th Amendment.
The case ultimately sets up the Supreme Court to play a major role in the election.

The US Supreme Court announced Friday that it will review a shocking decision made by the Colorado Supreme Court to bar former President Donald Trump from the state's ballot.

Justices will hear oral arguments on February 8, ensuring the case will be considered just as the GOP primary calendar heats up. Their decision could become the most impactful elections-related matter the high court has handed down since it effectively ended the 2000 presidential election in Bush v. Gore.
The nation's highest court will now have to consider a thorny set of issues, including whether Trump's actions related to the Capitol riot amounted to support of an insurrection. Justices may also consider the extent of a state's power to boot a presidential candidate off the ballot. Justice Neil Gorsuch once considered that power as an appellate court judge in a much less high-profile case.

Trump had previously asked the US Supreme Court to intervene. Before the justices agreed to hear the case, Maine's secretary of state kicked Trump off the primary ballot there. Other states, including Massachusetts, are considering similar efforts or have had voters petition to force a ruling there.
If Colorado's ruling were to stand, it would have sweeping implications for the 2024 presidential election, especially if Trump were to secure the Republican Party's nomination. Meanwhile, more than a dozen other states signaled their support for Trump in a letter to the court submitted Friday.

Trump's three appointees, Justices Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh, and Amy Coney Barrett, cemented a conservative majority on the Supreme Court. But their participation does not automatically mean that the high court will side with the former president.

In a sign of the pressure the justices may soon be facing, Alina Habba, one of Trump's attorneys, said that Kavanaugh would "step up" when it came to considering the case, though she stressed it was not because Trump fought strenuously for his confirmation.


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Massachusetts Secretary of State William Galvin clearly said it is not within his power to do so, it is up to The Republican party to nominate their own choices for the ballot.
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I take all my legal advise from folks in Massachusetts.
frankj1 Offline
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you already live in Ma-West, no?
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frankj1 wrote:
Jefferson Davis wasn't ever convicted either...


Of course not, secession is not treason or insurrection. Not that some Yankees were trying to put him on trial and convict him.

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The Boston Daily Adviser, July 25, 1865, stated exactly what was on the line:

“If Jefferson Davis is innocent, then it is the government of the United States which is guilty; if secession has not been rebellion, then the North in stifling it as such, has committed a crime.”

Jefferson Davis on Trial
By Rod O'Barr September 25, 2023

https://www.abbevilleinstitute.org/jefferson-davis-on-trial/
frankj1 Offline
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somehow it seems like I am responsible for this in your warped mind.
Interesting.
ZRX1200 Online
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I still blame you for the Spanish Inquisition…..nobody ever expected it either.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Very Amerikkkan to hold someone accountable for something they never got charged with.

No one is ever charged in a divorce action, personal injury action, civil fraud action, etc, etc.
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rfenst wrote:
No one is ever charged in a divorce action, personal injury action, civil fraud action, etc, etc.


But those aren’t crimes.
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Unless Cheeto did it.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Unless Cheeto did it.


Ya, if he is accused of any of that stuff they would just call it insurrection.


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rfenst wrote:
No one is ever charged in a divorce action, personal injury action, civil fraud action, etc, etc.


Did you miss my posting of this Civil Fraud Case??

Released from Prison Early by JB Prickster himself Our Governor who BTW also owns Horses all over the place...

http://tinyurl.com/33744h9b

Dixon Illinois Population 15,000 embezzled 54 Million from the Tax Payers over a 20 year span... Judge oedered her to pay back twice as much as what she stole... she's going to be a worn out Whore doing hand jobs in ally's for the rest of her life to pay her fines off...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rita_Crundwell

Movie:
https://www.allthequeenshorsesfilm.com/

Youtube version of the events, which BTW I'm going up next week to have coffee with the Whistleblower on this situation.

https://youtu.be/RXSZhKEddxI?si=U7v23trhh4MpEBPb

So on occasion Civil Fraud Cases to happen!!! Herfing




Abrignac Offline
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RiverRatRuss wrote:
Did you miss my posting of this Civil Fraud Case??

Released from Prison Early by JB Prickster himself Our Governor who BTW also owns Horses all over the place...

http://tinyurl.com/33744h9b

Dixon Illinois Population 15,000 embezzled 54 Million from the Tax Payers over a 20 year span... Judge oedered her to pay back twice as much as what she stole... she's going to be a worn out Whore doing hand jobs in ally's for the rest of her life to pay her fines off...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rita_Crundwell

Movie:
https://www.allthequeenshorsesfilm.com/

Youtube version of the events, which BTW I'm going up next week to have coffee with the Whistleblower on this situation.

https://youtu.be/RXSZhKEddxI?si=U7v23trhh4MpEBPb

So on occasion Civil Fraud Cases to happen!!! Herfing


Sorry to disappoint you, but I don’t think you quite understand the difference between a civil case and a criminal case. Civil cases are not prosecutable. Civil courts simply solve disagreements between 2 or more parties. Civil courts in of themselves hold no authority to prosecute a criminal case. Nor do they have authority to sentence anyone to a term of incarceration. However, in many cases where a plaintiff in a civil case alleges fraud, the civil judge hearing the case may refer the matter to the appropriate prosecutor’s office for criminal proceedings.

On the other hand, to PROSECUTE someone for fraud, prosecute being the key word, criminal charges MUST be filed by the appropriate PROSECUTING attorney in the appropriate CRIMINAL court.

So in reality there is no such thing as civil fraud. Fraud is a criminal act describing a specific method that one entity used to unlawfully take something of value from another entity. In fact, it’s not always necessary to file a civil case to seek reimbursement for misappropriated assets. Criminal courts can impose restitution where the person convicted of fraud is required to reimburse the victim for those assets. Such an action bypasses civil courts altogether.

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Crundwell arrived for work on April 17, 2012, to find FBI agents waiting for her. She was arrested later that day and was indicted by a federal grand jury for embezzling $30 million in city money over the previous six years.[5][11][20] Crundwell was charged with one count of wire fraud and released on $4,500 bail the next day.[21][22] On May 2, 2012, a superseding indictment charged Crundwell with embezzling $53 million over the prior 22 years.


As you can see she was indicted.

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An indictment formally charges a person with a crime. During an indictment proceeding, a grand jury determines if there is adequate basis for bringing criminal charges against a suspected criminal actor. An indictment is one of two options a prosecutor has to formally charge a person with a criminal offense:
Indictment issued by a grand jury.
Criminal complaint filed directly to the court. In this case, the prosecutor does not need to get an indictment from a grand jury.



This defines how an indictment leads to criminal charges being filed with the appropriate criminal court. When she was indicted this became a criminal court case.
RiverRatRuss Offline
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Thanks for the clarifications to this and I retract my posting to Robert. I'm in the middle of a Chitshow here and was told that if I wanted to sue this former zoning board commissioner, I'd have to take it to civil court. over the course of the 36 months of BullChit through FOIA's and other discoveries I've uncovered fraud over the years as well and that all is headed to the State Police and out of my hands with the whole mess of crap... I've had this local crap on my brain for months now and running the court actions together.. Thanks for point out the difference's... Beer
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Abrignac wrote:
Sorry to disappoint you, but I don’t think you quite understand the difference between a civil case and a criminal case. Civil cases are not prosecutable. Civil courts simply solve disagreements between 2 or more parties. Civil courts in of themselves hold no authority to prosecute a criminal case. Nor do they have authority to sentence anyone to a term of incarceration. However, in many cases where a plaintiff in a civil case alleges fraud, the civil judge hearing the case may refer the matter to the appropriate prosecutor’s office for criminal proceedings.

On the other hand, to PROSECUTE someone for fraud, prosecute being the key word, criminal charges MUST be filed by the appropriate PROSECUTING attorney in the appropriate CRIMINAL court.

So in reality there is no such thing as civil fraud. Fraud is a criminal act describing a specific method that one entity used to unlawfully take something of value from another entity. In fact, it’s not always necessary to file a civil case to seek reimbursement for misappropriated assets. Criminal courts can impose restitution where the person convicted of fraud is required to reimburse the victim for those assets. Such an action bypasses civil courts altogether.



As you can see she was indicted.




This defines how an indictment leads to criminal charges being filed with the appropriate criminal court. When she was indicted this became a criminal court case.



I'm thinking we should get you out of that truck and get you a job splaining legal internet schit for ignorant coonazzes
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Whistlebritches wrote:
I'm thinking we should get you out of that truck and get you a job splaining legal internet schit for ignorant coonazzes


Probably be easier to do that than to teach inbred Texans to spell.
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