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cashmoneydave Offline
#1 Posted: Fri, Aug 4 2023, 7:53 PM EST
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Heard this from my local B&M owner per his rep…

A lot of the boxes of Crowned Heads Las Calaveras EL 2023 cigars got destroyed in shipment. Water damage due to container ship issue. Apparently he won’t get any only large accounts will, then random draw for small accounts. They’re giving him some old batch of La Coalicions they found instead.

This other B&M I’m at now has 3 boxes and they’re available online. So I don’t know. Now I gotta buy one and try them in case I need to load up. Guess I’m a sucker buying the hype.
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#2 Posted: Sat, Aug 5 2023, 2:12 AM EST
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Bro lemme tell ya something.

Cigar reps on the whole would sell their moms Mexican tap water and tell them it’s Acqua di Cristallo.

Now I know a rep really well that’s a great guy, but he doesn’t sell brands I care for. Hear some good stories from him being on the road at various B&Ms. We’ve had reps at my local that I’ve been nice to while showing the SHPO manager that the rep was a moron. And we had one rep that managed to make himself look like an absolute idiot. On the whole some BOTL can hold onto lord like fact, but most of you tell them “I don’t know but I can find out” they’re not gonna roast the guy.
cashmoneydave Offline
#3 Posted: Sun, Aug 6 2023, 4:19 PM EST
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Owner of a B&M in PA is a self proclaimed industry insider. He claims that Padron is using San Andres wrappers for their maduros.
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#4 Posted: Sun, Aug 6 2023, 4:48 PM EST
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cashmoneydave wrote:
Owner of a B&M in PA is a self proclaimed industry insider. He claims that Padron is using San Andres wrappers for their maduros.

Heh heh
Liar
Palama Online
#5 Posted: Mon, Aug 7 2023, 2:44 AM EST
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cashmoneydave wrote:
Owner of a B&M in PA is a self proclaimed industry insider. He claims that Padron is using San Andres wrappers for their maduros.


As a guy that doesn’t care for SA, unless Padron just recently started using it, I’ve smoked a decent amount of PAMs and X000-series maduros to know that the wrappers aren’t SA.
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#6 Posted: Mon, Aug 7 2023, 6:40 AM EST
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cashmoneydave wrote:
Owner of a B&M in PA is a self proclaimed industry insider. He claims that Padron is using San Andres wrappers for their maduros.


As a company who has always proclaimed their cigars to be puros in their advertisements that would be a disaster akin to Bud Light.
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#7 Posted: Mon, Aug 7 2023, 6:45 AM EST
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and Bud Light still wants to play Dylan Limbo!

How low can you go...How low can you go...How low can you go...How low can you go...
KingoftheCove Offline
#8 Posted: Mon, Aug 7 2023, 10:13 AM EST
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Oh Jeeeezuuus……..Padron aint using SA wrappers..
CashMoney was just goofin………………if not……..the PA “insider” don’t know much….
cashmoneydave Offline
#9 Posted: Mon, Aug 7 2023, 9:02 PM EST
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The Destino al Siglo band on a Fuente cigar means the tobacco has been aged for at least 12 years.
ZRX1200 Offline
#10 Posted: Tue, Aug 8 2023, 12:54 AM EST
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^ really….and where did you hear that?
deadeyedick Offline
#11 Posted: Tue, Aug 8 2023, 7:03 AM EST
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cashmoneydave wrote:
The Destino al Siglo band on a Fuente cigar means the tobacco has been aged for at least 12 years.


I thought Rocky was the only one with baccy that old. (that he found in a forgotten warehouse)
cashmoneydave Offline
#12 Posted: Tue, Aug 8 2023, 9:55 AM EST
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These are things I’m hearing at local B&Ms and cigar lounges. From owners, fellow cigar smokers, and cigar reps.

The Feunte Destino line being aged 12 years came from an B&M owner who seems to have a medium size Fuente account. Gets a lot of a the lot of rare hard to find stock.
ZRX1200 Offline
#13 Posted: Tue, Aug 8 2023, 1:18 PM EST
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^ well given the thread title I suppose it’s a good post…..


Where have you read that by someone reputable? Because I haven’t read hide nor hair of any age specifics of ANY part of the blend anywhere I consider reputable.

I don’t believe cigar reps I LIKE.
delta1 Offline
#14 Posted: Tue, Aug 8 2023, 1:47 PM EST
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so the hype around cigars and cigar tobaccos today is pretty much like the buzz about the different kinds and quality of grass that was spinning around in the 70's?

Maui Wowie, Panama Red, Oaxacan, Acapulco Gold, Columbian would prolly help the sales of some cigars, at least among the boomers
ZRX1200 Offline
#15 Posted: Tue, Aug 8 2023, 1:56 PM EST
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This thread is kind of an Alaskan Thunder____
delta1 Offline
#16 Posted: Tue, Aug 8 2023, 2:07 PM EST
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didn't know that weed could grow above the 45th parallel...
DrMaddVibe Offline
#17 Posted: Tue, Aug 8 2023, 2:23 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
didn't know that weed could grow above the 45th parallel...


I've heard tell that you can grow it anywhere...don't even need soil nowadays.
cashmoneydave Offline
#18 Posted: Tue, Aug 8 2023, 3:17 PM EST
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Started this thread to share some of the rumors I’ve heard over the years via word of mouth…

A worker at a local B&M/lounge overhears me telling my friend I like the CAO flathead 6x60. Proceeds to tell me all thick ring gauge cigars use lesser quality tobacco. Stating manufactures couldn’t afford to use that much premium filler per cigar due to costs/profits. I think he also stated more viso tabac is needed to keep them burning because of how thick they are.
Palama Online
#19 Posted: Tue, Aug 8 2023, 3:42 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
so the hype around cigars and cigar tobaccos today is pretty much like the buzz about the different kinds and quality of grass that was spinning around in the 70's?

Maui Wowie, Panama Red, Oaxacan, Acapulco Gold, Columbian would prolly help the sales of some cigars, at least among the boomers


I always think of the “…fine Columbian…” when I see or hear that word:

https://youtu.be/eAHQ-9Fniac

Never thought Maui Wowie was all that. A strain called “Mango” was much better…ahh, well, at least that’s what I’ve been told. BigGrin
KingoftheCove Offline
#20 Posted: Tue, Aug 8 2023, 4:01 PM EST
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Palama wrote:
I always think of the “…fine Columbian…” when I see or hear that word:

https://youtu.be/eAHQ-9Fniac

Never thought Maui Wowie was all that. A strain called “Mango” was much better…ahh, well, at least that’s what I’ve been told. BigGrin

But……but………….what about Kona Gold……….remember that?
Of course you do…
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#21 Posted: Tue, Aug 8 2023, 5:27 PM EST
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Palama wrote:
I always think of the “…fine Columbian…” when I see or hear that word:

https://youtu.be/eAHQ-9Fniac

Never thought Maui Wowie was all that. A strain called “Mango” was much better…ahh, well, at least that’s what I’ve been told. BigGrin


….. and then along came sinsemilla….

Of course I know nothing about it first hand….
Palama Online
#22 Posted: Tue, Aug 8 2023, 5:29 PM EST
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KingoftheCove wrote:
But……but………….what about Kona Gold……….remember that?
Of course you do…


Hahahaha! Youthful activities! Yes, yes, yes I do. Herfing

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#23 Posted: Tue, Aug 8 2023, 5:40 PM EST
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delta1 Offline
#24 Posted: Tue, Aug 8 2023, 6:03 PM EST
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TBH...the weed with the exotic names were more potent and much more expensive...and beyond my impoverished status...
Palama Online
#25 Posted: Tue, Aug 8 2023, 6:10 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
….. and then along came sinsemilla….

Of course I know nothing about it first hand….


https://youtu.be/ZGNXdYLEFUA
cashmoneydave Offline
#26 Posted: Tue, Aug 8 2023, 6:39 PM EST
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We had this stuff in college called dumpster fire.

Rumor was dude got kicked out of his dorm. Threw his plant is the dumpster. Dumpster never got emptied. Came back and it was thriving off all the organic waste w:d/
cashmoneydave Offline
#27 Posted: Wed, Aug 9 2023, 9:24 AM EST
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Fellow cigar smoker at the lounge tells me he went to Cuba during the Obama lifted embargo time and toured a tobacco farm. He said the farmers get to keep some of their tobacco, but have to send most of it to Government/Havanas SA. He also said there’s more natural lithium in the soil. Which creates a more mellow tobacco!
deadeyedick Offline
#28 Posted: Wed, Aug 9 2023, 5:06 PM EST
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Definitely differences in the soil and I have wondered for years why Nic farmers don't try to duplicate the Pinar del Rio soil profile in their farms. Maybe too costly but seems a limited experiment would be in order.

Prices being what they are now for Habanos they could put a hurting on the Cuban market.
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#29 Posted: Wed, Aug 9 2023, 5:16 PM EST
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You can take the seeds and soil, but there’s more to it than just the climate.
Abrignac Offline
#30 Posted: Wed, Aug 9 2023, 7:43 PM EST
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Palama wrote:
https://youtu.be/ZGNXdYLEFUA


I was thinking that ^ was going to be this:

https://youtu.be/S-pmcO6U8eg
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#31 Posted: Wed, Aug 9 2023, 9:51 PM EST
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It would work in greenhouses deadeye. I’m pretty confident I could do it It would be such a small scale though. You’d need exact soil composition. Then it could be done. Heat units and average climate.

Probably could be done outside in pots. You’d need to keep the roots in the soil you’ve made. The cost would kill it
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#32 Posted: Thu, Aug 10 2023, 4:53 AM EST
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Jakethesnake86 wrote:
It would work in greenhouses deadeye. I’m pretty confident I could do it It would be such a small scale though. You’d need exact soil composition. Then it could be done. Heat units and average climate.

Probably could be done outside in pots. You’d need to keep the roots in the soil you’ve made. The cost would kill it


Seriously doubt this would be doable. Too many pieces to the pie that would have to come together in a perfect storm sort of way. Things like 1) soil composition 2) drainage rate 3) ambient air including particulate makeup 4) temperature 5) direction and intensity of sun rays 6) wind currents 7) yada 8) yada 9) yada…..

Seems to make waaaaaaay more sense to enjoy the subtleties of other products than to go down a rabbit hole trying to duplicate the unduplicatable.
cashmoneydave Offline
#33 Posted: Thu, Aug 10 2023, 10:32 AM EST
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A local B&M around here has “Ashton” 2nds. It’s a Churchill size, nice Connecticut shade wrapper with mixed filler. Smoked one and it was decent yard gar. I have another local B&M here that says their house blends are rolled in the same factory as Ashtons.
delta1 Offline
#34 Posted: Thu, Aug 10 2023, 6:36 PM EST
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using surplus tobaccos that Ashton refused, rolled by folks Ashton wouldn't hire...in all other respects, very similar...
cashmoneydave Offline
#35 Posted: Fri, Aug 11 2023, 3:13 PM EST
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Foundation cigar rep tells me he found a box of tabers with 3 years of age. Said he smoked one and they don’t age well.
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#36 Posted: Fri, Aug 11 2023, 3:49 PM EST
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cashmoneydave wrote:
Foundation cigar rep tells me he found a box of tabers with 3 years of age. Said he smoked one and they don’t age well.


I bought a box of the Coronas in late 2016 and thought they peaked at about 3 years but imo, they didn’t nosedive after that.

Wonder if the use of newer tobacco for his cigars has anything to do with his perception? Think
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#37 Posted: Fri, Aug 11 2023, 3:54 PM EST
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Foundation cigar rep wants you to smoke (read "buy") more cigars...

That is a cigar that, like the Olmec maduro, I think is going to be really great after a year or two.
Palama Online
#38 Posted: Fri, Aug 11 2023, 4:30 PM EST
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Stogie1020 wrote:
Foundation cigar rep wants you to smoke (read "buy") more cigars...

That is a cigar that, like the Olmec maduro, I think is going to be really great after a year or two.


I’mma purdy sure EVERY cigar rep wants us to smoke / buy more. Herfing
cashmoneydave Offline
#39 Posted: Sun, Aug 13 2023, 7:11 PM EST
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The Casa Cuba brand was from Ohio along with J.C Newman, pre relocation to tampa/ybor city. Then Fuente bought the naming rights and revived the name.
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#40 Posted: Mon, Aug 14 2023, 12:16 AM EST
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So I should smoke the Olmec?
cashmoneydave Offline
#41 Posted: Mon, Aug 14 2023, 8:58 PM EST
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Eduardo at Foundation told me its their fastest selling cigar since the tabernacle, something like 30% more sold in first 6 months than the tabernacle.

I didn’t care for the maduro or claro. They wern’t bad, just not the blends/flavor profiles I’ve been preferring lately.
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#42 Posted: Mon, Aug 14 2023, 11:13 PM EST
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Jakethesnake86 wrote:
So I should smoke the Olmec?

Frying pan BigGrin
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#43 Posted: Sat, Aug 19 2023, 6:50 PM EST
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A couple local B&Ms that have larger accounts with Fuente tell me they can’t order the rare hard to find stuff. They just get random calls from their Fuente rep or distributor saying we have this or that do you want it or sometimes we have three boxes could be some kind of opus or rare don carlos. Case in point all the sudden a lot of places have destino el siglo, casa fuentes, and Opus oscuros. Also been seeing some OpusX sharks around.
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#44 Posted: Sun, Aug 20 2023, 5:56 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
so the hype around cigars and cigar tobaccos today is pretty much like the buzz about the different kinds and quality of grass that was spinning around in the 70's?

Maui Wowie, Panama Red, Oaxacan, Acapulco Gold, Columbian would prolly help the sales of some cigars, at least among the boomers

The Panama Red I got in Tampa during the mid 70's, up to '76, would kick butt on the medical junk they are selling now
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#45 Posted: Sun, Aug 20 2023, 7:30 PM EST
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burning_sticks wrote:
The Panama Red I got in Tampa during the mid 70's, up to '76, would kick butt on the medical junk they are selling now



Only saw it a few times, and it was good.
But imho, it wasnt on the same level as the high potency stuff they are cranking out these days.
Had some pretty dang potent Thai sticks back in the early/mid 70s as well.

Mexican and Columbian buds were quite prevalent on the West Coast until about 1975/76 or so, when the Emerald Triangle and Oregon ops really got going.
By the late 70s, imported weed on the west coast was pretty much a thing of the past.
Coke took over, and the weed wasn’t nearly as good as what was being produced locally.

That’s what I heard anyways….
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#46 Posted: Sun, Aug 20 2023, 9:11 PM EST
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Thai stick? That's the stuff tied to a stick?
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#47 Posted: Sun, Aug 20 2023, 9:48 PM EST
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LeeBot wrote:
Thai stick? That's the stuff tied to a stick?

Heh…..you good wif wirds….

Some crafty Vietnam vets started bringing it back stateside in the late 60s early 70s.

Dats what I heard anyway….
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#48 Posted: Sun, Aug 20 2023, 10:29 PM EST
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KingoftheCove wrote:
Only saw it a few times, and it was good.
But imho, it wasnt on the same level as the high potency stuff they are cranking out these days.
Had some pretty dang potent Thai sticks back in the early/mid 70s as well.

Mexican and Columbian buds were quite prevalent on the West Coast until about 1975/76 or so, when the Emerald Triangle and Oregon ops really got going.
By the late 70s, imported weed on the west coast was pretty much a thing of the past.
Coke took over, and the weed wasn’t nearly as good as what was being produced locally.

That’s what I heard anyways….


A really potent combo was smearing “elephant oil” on the rolling paper and making pin joints with the Thai sticks. Man, that would really f*#k you up!

Or so I’ve heard…. Whistle
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#49 Posted: Mon, Aug 21 2023, 8:23 AM EST
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrsbjjuDTzU
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