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Mraia Offline
#1 Posted: Sat, Aug 5 2023, 9:15 AM EST
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Hopefully the last question on rh. I understand that the golden ratio for temp and RH is 70/70. What I’m wondering is if I have the temp of my humi ( electric) set at and maintaining 70* do I still need to have a humidifier in there? I’m pretty sure I do. Would I then be using 69% Bovedas? 72%? I currently have 3 65% packs in there and RH is 62~63%
Maybe humi care or Xicare beads would be better in this environment?
KingoftheCove Offline
#2 Posted: Sat, Aug 5 2023, 10:47 AM EST
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70/70????
Not ideal imho
You are too close to “problems”
Your temp and RH will, most likely, still have fluctuations, and if they go up??

I like 65/65, and I’m usually at 65/68 ( temp) except winter my temp drops to 65 or so.
Many botl here even like lower RH.
Mraia Offline
#3 Posted: Sat, Aug 5 2023, 11:16 AM EST
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Thanks King. I’m with you on this. A lot of info out there says 70/70 but I agree that sounds high!
Jakethesnake86 Offline
#4 Posted: Sat, Aug 5 2023, 11:19 AM EST
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I use 65 percent bovedas. Usually keeps my smokes just a hair under 65. I’d recommend that. 70 is too high. After switching from 69% to 65% I think 69 is too high
corey sellers Offline
#5 Posted: Sat, Aug 5 2023, 12:05 PM EST
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65.5609% humidity is right on the money for me. I use 65% beads.
Mraia Offline
#6 Posted: Sat, Aug 5 2023, 12:06 PM EST
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Thanks Jake. I’m seeing a trend here…
corey sellers Offline
#7 Posted: Sat, Aug 5 2023, 12:12 PM EST
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It also depends on what type of hygrometer you have and how accurate it is.
corey sellers Offline
#8 Posted: Sat, Aug 5 2023, 12:12 PM EST
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I am using INKBIRDs now
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#9 Posted: Sat, Aug 5 2023, 12:59 PM EST
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Jakethesnake86 wrote:
I use 65 percent bovedas. Usually keeps my smokes just a hair under 65. I’d recommend that. 70 is too high. After switching from 69% to 65% I think 69 is too high


Same here 65%
Palama Offline
#10 Posted: Sat, Aug 5 2023, 3:13 PM EST
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corey sellers wrote:
It also depends on what type of hygrometer you have and how accurate it is.


I’mma probably an outlier but I no longer use any hygrometers. I used to, of course, but after constantly fretting over the accuracy of the 4 (…at the time…) I had, I said “F*#k it!” and gave them away. I came to the realization that RH in the coolers and humidors was going to vary from day-to-day and put complete trust in the Heartfelt beads (…and later, Boveda packs…). Once I freed myself of the hygrometer worry, I enjoyed smoking much more.
Mraia Offline
#11 Posted: Sat, Aug 5 2023, 3:20 PM EST
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Palama wrote:
I’mma probably an outlier but I no longer use any hygrometers. I used to, of course, but after constantly fretting over the accuracy of the 4 (…at the time…) I had, I said “F*#k it!” and gave them away. I came to the realization that RH in the coolers and humidors was going to vary from day-to-day and put complete trust in the Heartfelt beads (…and later, Boveda packs…). Once I freed myself of the hygrometer worry, I enjoyed smoking much more.

I’m where you were! I’m obsessing over the temp and rh and getting tired of thinking about it. Temp is at 66, 3 65% Bovedas are in there and I’ve got about 55 sticks. I’m worn out, Palama! I don’t want to think about it anymore!
Palama Offline
#12 Posted: Sat, Aug 5 2023, 3:29 PM EST
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Mraia wrote:
I’m where you were! I’m obsessing over the temp and rh and getting tired of thinking about it. Temp is at 66, 3 65% Bovedas are in there and I’ve got about 55 sticks. I’m worn out, Palama! I don’t want to think about it anymore!


I’ve been hygrometer-free for mebbe 6-7 years. One of the best decisions I ever made, cigar storage-wise.
Mraia Offline
#13 Posted: Sat, Aug 5 2023, 3:42 PM EST
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Jakethesnake86 Offline
#14 Posted: Sat, Aug 5 2023, 4:31 PM EST
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Conan. You’ve gone plumb mad
corey sellers Offline
#15 Posted: Sat, Aug 5 2023, 4:50 PM EST
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I got 5 hygrometers in the 5 115 qt tupperdores I got and 1 in the 105 qt ice chest. The wooden humidors I don’t have anything in them . Conan , I could probably do just like you and not worry about it . I just got these and calibrated them just to see they hook up to my phone so I can see . Do I need them probably not during the summer down here don’t worry about them. Come winter time which is really short just check beads once a month. The first of the month just like getting a check you know to do it.
Jakethesnake86 Offline
#16 Posted: Sat, Aug 5 2023, 5:00 PM EST
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Stark raving mad!
Mraia Offline
#17 Posted: Sat, Aug 5 2023, 5:16 PM EST
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Half a teaspoon of condensation in the unit. Unreal! I raised the temp from 66 to 68 and popped in a 320 gram 65% Boveda.
Almost ready to go back to Tupperware and let the chips fall where they may.
corey sellers Offline
#18 Posted: Sat, Aug 5 2023, 5:17 PM EST
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Conan ain’t mad maybe a little crazy but he is a awesome botl
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#19 Posted: Sat, Aug 5 2023, 5:25 PM EST
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Temp concern is beetles

Humidity is mold/drying out

Humidity is better for different tobacco but the only one Id worry about having as high as 70-72rh% is Connie and candela. Neither of which I love so I keep everything at 65-68%

Do what you want
corey sellers Offline
#20 Posted: Sat, Aug 5 2023, 5:31 PM EST
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Can I buy a van?
Jakethesnake86 Offline
#21 Posted: Sat, Aug 5 2023, 5:42 PM EST
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Nah Conan very good people I’m just giving him a hard time

Personally I keep a digital hygrometer in each of my setups.

Mraia. Those things seem to be good at making condensation. All of them. Every brand out there. Mine is unplugged for that very reason. I’ll take my chances on a few days warmer than I’d prefer over causing mold because that’s exactly what they do. Unplugged they look nice and work well. I’ve told 10 plus new guys here and there to just unplug them. I don’t fully understand why they do what they do. But that’s what they do
corey sellers Offline
#22 Posted: Sat, Aug 5 2023, 5:52 PM EST
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Wait he is keeping sticks ….

I really need to read stuff better use them for smoking meat.
LeeBot Offline
#23 Posted: Sat, Aug 5 2023, 6:24 PM EST
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My advice is to relax. As long as my stuff stays between 60 and 70 rh, I'm good. Depends on the time of the year because of the temperature swings. Less stress and worry just focusing on a range. It doesn't matter. For me, and my taste buds, I can't tell the difference between 62 or 67 rh.

I use cheap digital hydrometers and have not calibrated them other than to see how they measure compare to each other. They're off a little. It doesn't matter.

I haven't had any humidification in the boxes since late April. Instead I have about a half dozen dessicant packs in each one to keep the moisture down.
tonygraz Offline
#24 Posted: Sat, Aug 5 2023, 8:43 PM EST
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I have 10 0r more digital hygrometers and if I calibrated them I would expect they would all show a different %. Maybe 2 might be the same. Sometimes I look at the few humis that have both digital and analog and tend to believe the analog number. I only worry when I see numbers above 70^% and then only after I try a second hygrometer and it's also high.
Cheno Offline
#25 Posted: Sun, Aug 6 2023, 1:55 PM EST
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65% boveda packs and I keep my wineador set at 63°f
Palama Offline
#26 Posted: Sun, Aug 6 2023, 3:00 PM EST
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Jakethesnake86 wrote:
Conan. You’ve gone plumb mad


Not necessarily a fan of Paul but some of the lyrics fit me perfectly:

https://youtu.be/yVK3tTBJze4
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#27 Posted: Sun, Aug 6 2023, 3:48 PM EST
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I place one 60 gram 72% Boveda pack in all of my 236 ounce Sistema tupperdoes. It maintains RH between 66%-68%.
tonygraz Offline
#28 Posted: Sun, Aug 6 2023, 4:04 PM EST
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Palama wrote:
Not necessarily a fan of Paul but some of the lyrics fit me perfectly:

https://youtu.be/yVK3tTBJze4


How about Cecelia ?
Palama Offline
#29 Posted: Mon, Aug 7 2023, 2:38 AM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
How about Cecelia ?


Hahahaha, no. Laugh
drglnc Offline
#30 Posted: Mon, Aug 7 2023, 2:00 PM EST
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I keep multiple set ups.

1 cooler at 69% for longer storage/aging. i have some boxes with over 20 years of age on them but most between 5-10 years in that cooler.
Main cooler has all 65% packs. Cigars get moved to this cooler for minimum 2 weeks before i smoke them but most are in it for a year or more.
then i have 2 10 count Travel cases that sit on my desk and get used when i... travel. these have 62% packs. same packs are used if i have extended travel or go to a larger event and ue my DE 40ct travel case.

temps are always 60-65 in my basement that the coolers are kept in.

I have Govee monitors in both coolers but pretty much ignore them now as they never fluctuate more then 1% in either direction.
Mraia Offline
#31 Posted: Mon, Aug 7 2023, 6:26 PM EST
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And the Needone is going back. I can’t get the temp and the rh to regulate and worse I’m getting condensation. Not going to keep something that actively produces mold!
Meh. Failed experiment
Back to tupperdores and coolerdores
KingoftheCove Offline
#32 Posted: Mon, Aug 7 2023, 8:27 PM EST
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Mraia wrote:
And the Needone is going back. I can’t get the temp and the rh to regulate and worse I’m getting condensation. Not going to keep something that actively produces mold!
Meh. Failed experiment
Back to tupperdores and coolerdores

Smart move
Jakethesnake86 Offline
#33 Posted: Mon, Aug 7 2023, 8:56 PM EST
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I haven’t talked to anyone that has had honestly good luck with any of those things. I have a 300 count one. Looks nice. It’s unplugged so basically it’s a cooler
Mraia Offline
#34 Posted: Mon, Aug 7 2023, 11:09 PM EST
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Yeah I’m not sure how I’m going to keep these things cool. The summer months are just too hot and humid. I guess it’s just going to be a crap shoot. Maybe a cooler with an ice pack
Jakethesnake86 Offline
#35 Posted: Tue, Aug 8 2023, 12:14 AM EST
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I don’t worry about it too much…. Cigars aren’t as fragile as some believe.
Mraia Offline
#36 Posted: Tue, Aug 8 2023, 11:09 AM EST
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So I just picked up a big Igloo cooler and a couple of large sized ice packs ( the plastic refreezable ones). The plan is to just keep the few tupperdores in there with a few Bovedas in each individual Tupperware. Temperature will stay in the 60’s and all will be good.
I hope…
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#37 Posted: Tue, Aug 8 2023, 11:20 AM EST
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Mraia wrote:
So I just picked up a big Igloo cooler and a couple of large sized ice packs ( the plastic refreezable ones). The plan is to just keep the few tupperdores in there with a few Bovedas in each individual Tupperware. Temperature will stay in the 60’s and all will be good.
I hope…



Ummmmm
Mraia Offline
#38 Posted: Tue, Aug 8 2023, 12:16 PM EST
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I have 3 Tupperware each with a few 65% Bovedas in the cooler with an ice pack and the temps and the rh are both at 64%
No beetles, no mold, still using individual tupperdores for infused and regular smokes and all seems to be working well.
KingoftheCove Offline
#39 Posted: Tue, Aug 8 2023, 4:10 PM EST
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Glad I dont have to deal with that kind of heat and humidity.
But if I did, thats^^ probably how I would do it.
Tuppers with beads/ bovedas INSIDE a big cooler, with a freeze pack in a ziplock, if necessary, in the cooler
Mraia Offline
#40 Posted: Tue, Aug 8 2023, 6:18 PM EST
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KingoftheCove wrote:
Glad I dont have to deal with that kind of heat and humidity.
But if I did, thats^^ probably how I would do it.
Tuppers with beads/ bovedas INSIDE a big cooler, with a freeze pack in a ziplock, if necessary, in the cooler

Exactly King! I’m actually glad to hear you say so since I know you’re pretty knowledgeable about this stuff and I’ve been questioning myself. I think I will put a 320 gram 65% Boveda or two in the cooler also just to soak up any condensation that gets by the ziploc bags
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