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The Case for an Older Voting Age With Conditions
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rfenst Offline
#1 Posted: Sun, May 14 2023, 6:58 PM EST
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Young adults vote at very low rates, perhaps because we teach them to devalue civic participation.



WSJ
America is losing its national pride. Only 23% of adults under 30 say patriotism is very important to them, and 23% of Americans under 25 vote. Here’s a counterintuitive solution: Make voting harder.

I urge Congress to propose a constitutional amendment that would require young Americans to earn the right to vote by fulfilling a civic-duty requirement. The amendment would raise the voting age to 25 except for young adults who either fulfill a service requirement—at least six months in the U.S. military or a first-responder role—or pass the civics test administered to naturalizing immigrants.

Critics cry “Jim Crow,” but there’s nothing racial about the idea. Black Americans already serve in the military at a higher-than-average rate, and immigrants have to pass the test regardless of race.

We tie civic duty to the privileges of citizenship in other ways: Jury duty is compulsory, and every male U.S. citizen is required to register with Selective Service on reaching adulthood. The main justification in 1971 for the 26th Amendment, which lowered the voting age to 18, was the military draft. That civic duty now seems foreign to us is the real problem. Some Democrats now urge that the voting age be lowered to 16, noting that we already allow teens that age to drive motor vehicles.

But voting is more than a physical act. It is the expression of a duty we bear as citizens. Serving your nation, knowing something about your nation, or at least living in your nation for a short time as an adult isn’t too much to ask. Our lost civic pride won’t reappear automatically. Reviving it will require boldness.

Mr. Ramaswamy is a candidate for the Republican presidential nomination.





This guy is nuts.
RayR Online
#2 Posted: Mon, May 15 2023, 9:14 AM EST
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Yup, Ramaswamy is NUTS. Sounds like the return of another compulsory conscription idea like the Obama Yoots Brigade. Obama's plan was to exchange government stolen loot toward education for service in the regime's "volunteer" brigade. Ramaswamy wants to exchange "the right to vote" for some kind of civic-duty requirement like conscription in the military or as a first responder, or just take some civics test if you are rejected by the others.

I hate NATIONALISM stuff like tieing "civic duty to the privileges of citizenship". Who is going to preach what those civic-duty requirements are which you know will change depending on the regime in power? Commies and Fascists probably,.they are the best at knowing what it is to be an obedient prole for the regime.

I'm the ANTI-NATIONALIST, DE-CENTRALIST, WE NEED A NATIONAL DIVORCE type.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#3 Posted: Mon, May 15 2023, 9:31 AM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Young adults vote at very low rates, perhaps because we teach them to devalue civic participation.



WSJ
America is losing its national pride. Only 23% of adults under 30 say patriotism is very important to them, and 23% of Americans under 25 vote. Here’s a counterintuitive solution: Make voting harder.

I urge Congress to propose a constitutional amendment that would require young Americans to earn the right to vote by fulfilling a civic-duty requirement. The amendment would raise the voting age to 25 except for young adults who either fulfill a service requirement—at least six months in the U.S. military or a first-responder role—or pass the civics test administered to naturalizing immigrants.

Critics cry “Jim Crow,” but there’s nothing racial about the idea. Black Americans already serve in the military at a higher-than-average rate, and immigrants have to pass the test regardless of race.

We tie civic duty to the privileges of citizenship in other ways: Jury duty is compulsory, and every male U.S. citizen is required to register with Selective Service on reaching adulthood. The main justification in 1971 for the 26th Amendment, which lowered the voting age to 18, was the military draft. That civic duty now seems foreign to us is the real problem. Some Democrats now urge that the voting age be lowered to 16, noting that we already allow teens that age to drive motor vehicles.

But voting is more than a physical act. It is the expression of a duty we bear as citizens. Serving your nation, knowing something about your nation, or at least living in your nation for a short time as an adult isn’t too much to ask. Our lost civic pride won’t reappear automatically. Reviving it will require boldness.

Mr. Ramaswamy is a candidate for the Republican presidential nomination.


We don't need anuther...RINO...sing it Tina...whip

Lower it to 16 eh? Because they drive eh? Age of consent is what? Can't buy a beer until you're what? Can't purchase a gun until you're what? Say, let's just get rid of all age restrictions. Old enough to go to the counter, old enough to get served...riiight?

Sarcasm

Frying pan Frying pan Frying pan





This guy is nuts.
ZRX1200 Offline
#4 Posted: Mon, May 15 2023, 11:50 AM EST
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You think MAYBE and I mean just MAYYYYYBE……it could be the choices suck and people who claim outside interference do more to interfere than those foreign agents?

It’s rigged and the azz wipe puppets are a joke.

~ ZRX
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5-15-23
9:49 PST
RayR Online
#5 Posted: Tue, May 16 2023, 12:46 PM EST
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True...True, the ultimate choices given by the parties generally suck.

Ramaswamy is a guy that any true conservative or libertarian could generally agree with on many issues, actually, he would be labeled an EXTREMIST not just by the LEFTIES by also by CONSERVATIVE INC. for some of his policy prescriptions.
Imagine....abolishing the Dept. of Education, and other corrupt administrative bureaucracies like the FBI for just a few.
And ending the weaponization of the government and financial markets? That's not going to go big with the DEEP STATE.

https://www.vivek2024.com/

He loses me though on things like Civic Duty Voting for young people under 25 and actually enshrining it into the U.S. Constitution. Supposedly the idea is that since there is a general absence of national pride in young Americans, steering them to take a particular service path will create a sense of shared purpose and experience and make them compelled to vote, and even make them more intelligent voters. I don't see it. Garbage! it reeks of authoritarian nationalism like the compulsory volunteerism of that Obama Yoots kiddie draft thing.
Brewha Offline
#6 Posted: Tue, May 16 2023, 2:21 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
You think MAYBE and I mean just MAYYYYYBE……it could be the choices suck and people who claim outside interference do more to interfere than those foreign agents?

It’s rigged and the azz wipe puppets are a joke.

~ ZRX
Oregon Post
5-15-23
9:49 PST



THIS POST WAS RIGGED!!!
Brewha Offline
#7 Posted: Tue, May 16 2023, 2:24 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Young adults vote at very low rates, perhaps because we teach them to devalue civic participation.



WSJ
America is losing its national pride. Only 23% of adults under 30 say patriotism is very important to them, and 23% of Americans under 25 vote. Here’s a counterintuitive solution: Make voting harder.

I urge Congress to propose a constitutional amendment that would require young Americans to earn the right to vote by fulfilling a civic-duty requirement. The amendment would raise the voting age to 25 except for young adults who either fulfill a service requirement—at least six months in the U.S. military or a first-responder role—or pass the civics test administered to naturalizing immigrants.

Critics cry “Jim Crow,” but there’s nothing racial about the idea. Black Americans already serve in the military at a higher-than-average rate, and immigrants have to pass the test regardless of race.

We tie civic duty to the privileges of citizenship in other ways: Jury duty is compulsory, and every male U.S. citizen is required to register with Selective Service on reaching adulthood. The main justification in 1971 for the 26th Amendment, which lowered the voting age to 18, was the military draft. That civic duty now seems foreign to us is the real problem. Some Democrats now urge that the voting age be lowered to 16, noting that we already allow teens that age to drive motor vehicles.

But voting is more than a physical act. It is the expression of a duty we bear as citizens. Serving your nation, knowing something about your nation, or at least living in your nation for a short time as an adult isn’t too much to ask. Our lost civic pride won’t reappear automatically. Reviving it will require boldness.

Mr. Ramaswamy is a candidate for the Republican presidential nomination.


This guy is nuts.


The Far Right love to take away your liberty and tell you it's a good thing.

Look what they did to women's rights....
HockeyDad Offline
#8 Posted: Tue, May 16 2023, 2:32 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
The Far Right love to take away your liberty and tell you it's a good thing.

Look what they did to women's rights....





Like Covid lockdowns?
Brewha Offline
#9 Posted: Tue, May 16 2023, 2:39 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Like Covid lockdowns?


You didn't really drink the bleach did you?
HockeyDad Offline
#10 Posted: Tue, May 16 2023, 3:25 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
You didn't really drink the bleach did you?


California state of emergency went 3 years. Lockdowns went 2 years.
ZRX1200 Offline
#11 Posted: Tue, May 16 2023, 3:35 PM EST
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What about the women baby’s rights?

I mean, I realize they haven’t been vaxxed or had boosters yet.
RayR Online
#12 Posted: Tue, May 16 2023, 5:02 PM EST
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Brewha is just mouth-breathing FAR LEFT talking points again. Nothing to see here.
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#13 Posted: Tue, May 16 2023, 5:28 PM EST
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Anyone forget to vote today??

RAISE UR MITS !!

I DIDNT...
AT E.R. WITH DIVERTICULITIS...
YIPPIE!!!
BuckyB93 Offline
#14 Posted: Tue, May 16 2023, 6:12 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
The Far Right love to take away your liberty and tell you it's a good thing.

Look what they did to women's rights....


HockeyDad wrote:
Like Covid lockdowns?


(this will tweak Brew)

Or... mandating that all new cars, trucks and SUVs be zero emissions by some unrealistic random date in the future.

So much for having the liberty of choosing a vehicle that suits your needs. You'll have to buy one off the government's approved list of vehicles... ya know.. for the good of mankind and the planet and stuff.
ZRX1200 Offline
#15 Posted: Tue, May 16 2023, 6:49 PM EST
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You are entitled to ALL the freedoms


we see fit
Brewha Offline
#16 Posted: Tue, May 16 2023, 7:09 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
California state of emergency went 3 years. Lockdowns went 2 years.

That's a lot of bleach....
Brewha Offline
#17 Posted: Tue, May 16 2023, 7:14 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
What about the women baby’s rights?

I mean, I realize they haven’t been vaxxed or had boosters yet.


And what rights do you feel a fertilized egg has?

Or is this a post birth scenario?

Or maybe that god ordained the couple to meet so preventing them from having sex would be murder....
Brewha Offline
#18 Posted: Tue, May 16 2023, 7:15 PM EST
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BuckyB93 wrote:
(this will tweak Brew)

Or... mandating that all new cars, trucks and SUVs be zero emissions by some unrealistic random date in the future.

So much for having the liberty of choosing a vehicle that suits your needs. You'll have to buy one off the government's approved list of vehicles... ya know.. for the good of mankind and the planet and stuff.


They are mandating a better future - you're welcome.
RayR Online
#19 Posted: Tue, May 16 2023, 7:36 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
They are mandating a better future - you're welcome.


Because the government knows what's best for you? Like your MOMMY and DADDY? 🍼👨‍👩‍👶‍👶
BuckyB93 Offline
#20 Posted: Tue, May 16 2023, 7:49 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
They are mandating a better future - you're welcome.


Mandating a better future. Do you actually read what you write? Do you truthfully believe what you write? Mandating a better future: do you realize how stupid that sounds?

Let's repeat it "Mandating a better future." You (they) can predict the future now and if so how? Does your Tesla come with a Magic 8 Ball too?
Brewha Offline
#21 Posted: Tue, May 16 2023, 9:02 PM EST
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BuckyB93 wrote:
Mandating a better future. Do you actually read what you write? Do you truthfully believe what you write? Mandating a better future: do you realize how stupid that sounds?

Let's repeat it "Mandating a better future." You (they) can predict the future now and if so how? Does your Tesla come with a Magic 8 Ball too?


You may believe that mandating unleaded gas was not mandating a better future - your choice.
Maybe google “was leaded gas bad”.

Ignore science as you like - say it is all fake and uncertain.

Insist that gas vehicle are not an ecological problem - all you like - it matters not.

The world is thinking differently - not just me - the world.
RayR Online
#22 Posted: Wed, May 17 2023, 9:11 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
You may believe that mandating unleaded gas was not mandating a better future - your choice.
Maybe google “was leaded gas bad”.

Ignore science as you like - say it is all fake and uncertain.

Insist that gas vehicle are not an ecological problem - all you like - it matters not.

The world is thinking differently - not just me - the world.



You have selective amnesia Brew. You only remember stuff that you want to and completely ignore other facts that dispute it.

I've heard this is part of the dogma of the GREEN religion and is indoctrinated into you by repeating the mantra that fossil fuels are bad but EVs are good for the environment. It's the kind of brainwashing technique you find in a cult.

EeeeeeeVeees Aren’t “Earth Friendly”

By eric -October 25, 2022


Quote:
In the Department of there ain’t no such thing as a free lunch, it is reported that in order to supply the raw materials needed to make batteries for EeeeeeeVeeeees, it will be necessary to break ground – literally – for 384 new graphite, cobalt and nickel mines.

Plus vast leach fields for the lithium.

That’s a lot of Earth Rape – in the name of “the environment.”

Well, in the name of forestalling the “crisis” that is “imminent” on account of the 0.04 percent of the Earth’s atmosphere that is carbon dioxide increasing by a fraction of that percent.

Of course, they don’t tell you that. About the 0.04 percent. Because they want you to believe it is a much larger percent. So as to make you afraid and thus amenable. Like “the cases” – as opposed to the deaths. (And the deaths . . . when it comes to the “vaccines.”)

They also don’t want you to know how much it will take to forestall a fractional increase in the 0.04 percent of the Earth’s atmosphere that is carbon dioxide. As in how much it will take – from the Earth.

Every EeeeeeeVeeeee battery requires an enormous quantity of the materials mentioned earlier – because it takes an enormous battery to power a single EeeeeeeVeeee. One that is about twenty times the weight (and size) of the automotive batteries most people are familiar with, the lead-acid ones that start the engines in non-electric cars. These are typically about 9 inches long and about the same inches wide and weigh around 50 pounds. A small EeeeeeeeVeeeee battery pack for a small EeeeeeeVeeee such as a Tesla Model 3 weighs around 1,000 pounds and is spread out over most of the length and width of the EeeeeeVeeeee’s floorplan.

A battery that size – for a Honda Civic-sized EeeeeeeVeeee like the Tesla 3 – requires about 25 pounds of lithium, 60 pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds of cobalt and 200 pounds of copper. Larger EeeeeeVeeees – such as trucks – require twice as much of the same stuff. A big truck – like the EeeeeeVeeee versions of the big rigs that transport most everything we need from coast to coast – would need many times more of the same stuff.

Most of this stuff is extremely “environmentally unfriendly” – as well as extremely expensive.

More...

https://www.ericpetersautos.com/2022/10/25/eeeeeeeveees-arent-earth-friendly/
RayR Online
#23 Posted: Wed, May 17 2023, 9:30 AM EST
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But what does this have to do with nationalism and civics anyway? It's the same drumbeat that democracy is GOD, that the government it creates is endowed with wisdom to know what's best for you and your children from sea to shining sea, and the progressive politicians and bureaucrats, those high priests of the church will tell you what platitudes and slogans to repeat so you don't need to think for yourself.
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