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Pinar vs Lonewolf
donutboy2000 Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 11-20-2001
Posts: 25,000
Anyone ever try a Pinar? The story of 40+ year old Cuban tobacco is difficult to believe.
Mr.Mean Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 05-16-2001
Posts: 3,025
Pdbenz loves em. Ask him.
SteveS Offline
#3 Posted:
Joined: 01-13-2002
Posts: 8,751
Nothing LoneWolfish about Pinars ... I've smoked a number of them and I like 'em ...
Slimboli Offline
#4 Posted:
Joined: 07-09-2000
Posts: 16,139
donutboy2000 - have you read the history on them?



A short history:


Approximately 4200 lbs. (4 bails) of "Rosado Pinar" wrapper leaf cigar tobacco was consigned by Mendoza y cia (Pinar Del Rio Cuba), to Red Dot Cigar Co. (Trenton, NJ, USA) on September 29,1957. The tobacco was shipped from Havana, Cuba to San Juan, Puerto Rico to Port Newark, March 1,1958. The shipment cleared US customs on March 26,1958 and was ground transfered to Red Dot Cigar Co. on March 27,1958. The cigars were rolled in 1997 (after it was lost in a 'second' basment of a building that was about to be demolished)and REUBEN'S purchased them in the spring of 1998.

The 'Series B' are only 50% pre-embargo Cuban tobacco ... the rest is Dominican.
penzt8 Offline
#5 Posted:
Joined: 06-05-2000
Posts: 1,771
I won a bid on a mixed bag of slightly damaged cigars awhile ago. It contained a couple of the pinars. The wrappers had a couple of small tears but they were still smokeable. At about two bucks a piece they were a great bargain. They smoked OK and had a decent flavor but weren't anything special. I think there are many better smokes that can be bought for the typical bid price of the pinars..
jjohnson28 Offline
#6 Posted:
Joined: 09-12-2000
Posts: 7,914
I like them Pinars too but I wouldn't and haven't paid what most here do.
bud451 Offline
#7 Posted:
Joined: 09-11-2010
Posts: 2,237
Born and raised in NJ, so I wouldn't put anything in my mouth stored in Trenton since 1958! It's probably half rat droppings and half cockroach eggs! LOL!
Steve@CAO Offline
#8 Posted:
Joined: 07-19-2000
Posts: 1,028
I've smoked plenty of em.......a very good cigar.
Slimboli Offline
#9 Posted:
Joined: 07-09-2000
Posts: 16,139
I won a sampler of 8 in a golf bag 'pen and pencil' holder here awhile back for $40 ...

... at $5 each, not a bad deal.
GetYourOwn Offline
#10 Posted:
Joined: 04-05-2002
Posts: 734
Slim, You said the bales were wrapper. Does that mean only the wrapper is pre-embargo cuban or did they use the wrapper as some of the filler or binder?
cliffie3d Offline
#11 Posted:
Joined: 07-17-2002
Posts: 297
I've always heard pretty good things about them, but the aged tobacco story is a little difficult to believe. They've been sold around here now for a couple of years, right? You'd think they would run out of the tobacco!
Slimboli Offline
#12 Posted:
Joined: 07-09-2000
Posts: 16,139
Cliff ... 4200 lbs. of leaves is a lot of cigars! I heard that they only release small quantities of them at a time ...

Here's more on the story ... for those interested:



Paul Magier is a cigar enthusiast who owns a small cigar work-shop in New York established in 1964 by a Cuban - Armándo Ramos (Puros de Armándo Ramos) in a kind of backyard shed in the city of New York. Ramos, who before the Cuban revolution rolled cigars daily over the long period of 30 years for Ramon Cifuentes in Havana, making nothing exciting - simply that for the "everyday smoke", sold this micro-workshop to Paul Magier and cooperated with him in the future. Armándo is today in his late eighties and the cigars obviously kept him healthy for a long life.



No doubt, everything would have remained just as non-spectacular, if Pauls brother-in-law, a real-estate agent, had not told him in 1997 about a building which he had to currently sell in Trenton, New Jersey.
In a basement, two stories deep, 14 bales of tobaccos were discovered - approximately 1,900 kilograms (4,200 lbs.) with the marking of "Pinar del Rio/Cuba". They were intended for the company of "Red Dot Cigar", which did not exist anymore. The tobacco was dated September 1957. Paul Magier had the tobacco examined by Armando, who classified it as Rosado Corojo wrappers from Cuba. He certainly knew it. The tobacco was certainly not ideal, but had nevertheless been stored in a warm and moist environment, so the aroma-providing oiliness of the tobacco had been maintained.


The actual story, which comes close to the wanderings of the Greek hero Odysseus, begins at this point - an odyssey through the dense scrub of the American bureaucracy, intensified by the rigorous embargo regulations. Paul Magier bought the tobacco lot and thought that if the Cuban tobacco had been legally imported and declared in the USA before the embargo, it would also be possible to use it legally. Paul had to prove its origin and with a handful of experts commenced with the difficult work. One expert's opinion after another was produced, with the tobacco being looked at somewhat suspiciously, and with the greatest skepticism by the authorities, or even doubted altogether, and the procedure dragged in great length.



Eventually a conclusive opinion of the experts was compiled and submitted, which could trace the entire course of the tobacco to the USA.. It came from the plantations of the famous Cuban family of Mendoza y Cia. Contracted in the middle of 1957, the tobacco came through middlemen into the USA at the beginning of 1958 and was properly cleared through customs in March 1958, even before the new Cuban state of the Comandante en Jefe Fidel Castro was established, and was supplied to the "Red Dot Cigar Company", which then went bankrupt in 1962. After this very taxing hurdle race over the bureaucratic bars, Paul Magier had reached the destination of his dreams. He obtained the legal rights to use the Cuban tobacco for his cigar production.



In the meantime, a production site was established in Ecuador and a small factory was constructed there in Quayaquil, where Paul Magier worked very closely with the Aray family, the oldest raw tobacco producers in the country. At the 1998 RTDA show in Nashville, the biggest annual cigar fair of America and also of the world, Magier presented his first cigar - the Pinar 1958, with 80% of the old and "legal" Cuban tobacco and 20% Honduran tobacco in the blend. No more than 200 boxes were produced monthly which were received by only 20 selected retailers.



Already by November 1998, the blend was again changed - the share of old Cuban tobacco was reduced to 50% and the other 50% consisted of four Nicaraguan tobaccos of different maturation. The cigar was now called the "B" Pinar Series.



The second part of the story of the legal Cuban tobacco cigars began in spring 1999. Paul Magier bought from the liquidation assets of the Gross-mann Cigar Co. in Tampa, Florida over 18,000 kilograms (40,000 lbs.) of splendidly stored Cuban pre-embargo tobaccos (from the harvests of 1956, 1958 and 1960), which were all completely legally bought, with customs cleared before the embargo. The necessary documents and certificates of origin were available and the bureaucratic hurdle race could be overcome in record time. Unlike the first tobaccos, these were mainly filler tobaccos of ligero, seco and volado leaves which allowed a more balanced and more complex blend of the cigars.



Paul Magier recalls with amusement that after his first "Pinar 1958" cigars, he received tobacco and also cigar offers from all over America, which were supposedly all of Cuban origin. "I had to fight through nonsense, stupidity, up to outright fraud - almost a full-time-job". With the new tobacco warehouse of old Cuban tobaccos, Paul Magier can produce around 1.3 million cigars. "Since we have extremely limited production of our "Pinar Legal Cuban" cigars and are using the Cuban tobaccos in widely varying weights, our inventories remain large", Paul says assuredly. "Now I can put my dreams into reality".
cliffie3d Offline
#13 Posted:
Joined: 07-17-2002
Posts: 297
That's a neat story! I suppose one of these will now make its way on to my "must try" list.

I guess that IS alot of tobacco. Didn't they find about that many leaves in Nate Newton's car? Or maybe that was Bam Morris.
Slimboli Offline
#14 Posted:
Joined: 07-09-2000
Posts: 16,139
Really ... whatever they are, they are a very decent smoke. Some sites are selling them for $18 to $33 each (way too much) for the ambience/rarity and history, I think ...

Some people just like to have them around to say they have a 40+ year old cigar in their humidor. :^)
bud451 Offline
#15 Posted:
Joined: 09-11-2010
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That's like 280 in dog years!
Pov Offline
#16 Posted:
Joined: 06-07-2002
Posts: 16
I've smoked a couple of Pinar B's from a 5 pack I won here a few months ago. Not a bad cigar, but you are not going to mistake them for a real ISOM.
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