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sketcha Offline
#1 Posted: Fri, Oct 22 2004, 9:56 AM EST
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Posts: 3,238
This was forwarded to me from a liberal friend. I cannot vouch for it's accuracy. Nor can I say that it tells the whold story and has not left anyone out.

Maybe some of you can enlighten me further...


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> Do We See A Pattern Here?
> 10-20-4
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> Democrats
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> * Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71.
> * David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72.
> * Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72.
> * Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971 as an army journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade.
> * Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam.
> * Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-47; Medal of Honor, WWII.
> * John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V, Purple Hearts.
> * Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea.
> * Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam.
> * Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-53.
> * Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
> * Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91.
> * Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII; Bronze Star and seven campaign ribbons.
> * Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze Stars, and Soldier's Medal.
> * Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star and Legion of Merit.
> * Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart.
> * Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam; Bronze Star with Combat V.
> * Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star.
> * Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57
> * Chuck Robb: Vietnam
> * Howell Heflin: Silver Star
> * George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC during WWII.
> * Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft but received #311.
> * Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy.
> * Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953
> * John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and Air Medal with 18 Clusters.
> * Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul Wallenberg.
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> Republicans
>
> * ****** Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by marriage.
> * Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
> * Tom Delay: did not serve.
> * Roy Blunt: did not serve.
> * Bill Frist: did not serve.
> * Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
> * Rick Santorum: did not serve.
> * Trent Lott: did not serve.
> * John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business.
> * Jeb Bush: did not serve.
> * Karl Rove: did not serve.
> * Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." The man who attacked Max Cleland's patriotism.
> * Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
> * Vin Weber: did not serve.
> * Richard Perle: did not serve.
> * Douglas Feith: did not serve.
> * Eliot Abrams: did not serve
> * Richard Shelby: did not serve.
> * Jon! Kyl: did not serve
> * Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
> * Christopher Cox: did not serve.
> * Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
> * Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor.
> * George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-year National Guard; got assigned to Alabama so he could campaign for family friend running for U.S.
> Senate; failed to show up for required medical exam, disappeared from duty.
> * Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat role making movies.
> * B-1 Bob Dornan: Consciously enlisted after fighting was over in Korea.
> * Phil Gramm: did not serve.
> * John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross.
> * Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve.
> * John M. McHugh: did not serve.
> * JC Watts: did not serve.
> * Jack Kemp: did not serve. "Knee problem," although continued in NFL for 8 years.
> * Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard.
> * Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
> * George Pataki: did not serve.
> * Spencer Abraham: did not serve.
> * John Engler: did not serve.
> * Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
> * Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base.
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>
> Pundits & Preachers
>
> * Sean Hannity: did not serve.
> * Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst.')
> * Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
> * Michael Savage: did not serve.
> * George Will: did not serve
> * Chris Matthews: did not serve.
> * Paul Gigot: did not serve.
> * Bill Bennett: did not serve.
> * Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
> * John Wayne: did not serve.
> * Bill Kristol: did not serve.
> * Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
> * Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
> * Clarence Thomas: did not serve.
> * Ralph Reed: did not serve.
> * Michael Medved: did not serve.
> * Charlie Daniels: did not serve.
> * Ted Nugent: did not serve. (He only shoots at things that don't shoot back.)
Gene363 Offline
#2 Posted: Fri, Oct 22 2004, 10:49 AM EST
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http://www.cigarbid.com/...geDisplay=0000000027366

I received the same sort of message. I replied, "Glad to see you have learned the value of military service. I guess this means you will not support Hilary in four years."
Lazygardner Offline
#3 Posted: Fri, Oct 22 2004, 10:54 AM EST
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I didn't see Bush the elder, Colin Powell, or Bob Dole?
Charlie Offline
#4 Posted: Fri, Oct 22 2004, 11:55 AM EST
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As ususal left off those who did serve! Under Pundits and other add:
Jimmy Stewart AirForce General and Bomber pilot-Republican
Audie Murphy-Most decorated soldier in WWII actor, republican
Glenn Ford-Air Force pilot, actor, republican

Also left off:

George H.W. Bush USN Pilot
Barry Goldwater USAF Pilot
Colin Powell-USArmy General
General Tommy Franks, retired 4 star General!
And I am sure the list can go on!

This is typical spin!

Charlie
sketcha Offline
#5 Posted: Fri, Oct 22 2004, 12:35 PM EST
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Gene363,

Should've known it would already be on here.
CWFoster Offline
#6 Posted: Fri, Oct 22 2004, 7:09 PM EST
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I'm not going to elaborate on this, but I see one error in the Republican list that I know of, I'm going to see if YOU will research what you've posted and find it! Maybe you'll find other disinformation as well!
MACS Offline
#7 Posted: Fri, Oct 22 2004, 8:30 PM EST
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I can only speak for my ship, but if it is an example of the rest of the military, you may find it interesting to know that when we in the "Chief's mess" refer to Democrats, we refer to them as "F-ing Democrats".

I'd say that 80% of the people on THIS ship vote Republican. All but 2 of the Chiefs do... and the Officers are pretty much the same, all voting Republican with the exception of a couple.
sketcha Offline
#8 Posted: Sat, Oct 23 2004, 12:01 PM EST
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Hey Foster,

Did you read my words at the top of the original post? I, honestly don't give a $hit and I'm not going to do any research for you nor am I going to kiss your a$$.

I thought it was interesting and was looking for some enlightenment. I found some. In fact, I apprised the guy who forwarded it to me of the errors that were mentioned here and brought up the fact that it is obviously partison based.

As far as my politics are concerned, I'm independent and lean Libertarian. I voted for Arnold and am going to vote for all of the Cali. ballot measures that he supports. After reading them, I do happen to agree with him on those.

As for President, I'm not happy with Bush. Sorry if that gets your panties all in an uproar, but if you think he will be going down in history as a great President, I think you're in for a bit of a shock.

Take it easy
herfsnipe Offline
#9 Posted: Sat, Oct 23 2004, 3:16 PM EST
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Regardless of how anyone feels or casts their vote, you can't deny one fact: Our servicemen and women were FAR BETTER PAID AND SUPPORTED UNDER REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP. Now with that said, you'll have to decide just how that applies to your own sitation. You may or may not give a $*%^ about it, but to those in uniform, getting a 5-6% annual raise under the Bush administration means more than the paltry 3.1% average under Clinton. Bush also got huge increases in housing allowances, upgraded and more housing for active duty. All in all, quality of life has been upgraded. All Clinton could do was close bases, shrink the ranks, and just keep some of the younger enlisted at or just below the poverty line. ASK ANY ACTIVE DUTY MEMBER WHO SERVED UNDER BOTH ADMINISTRATIONS.
usahog Offline
#10 Posted: Sat, Oct 23 2004, 3:24 PM EST
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I was there.. thus why I cannot stand Clintons...

Base Closings are under both watches.. it is a mandated thing that went through congress along time back...

the pay raises for the Military is a Needed expense and should not be tampered with... Bush and company just set it back the way it should have been...

Hog
MACS Offline
#11 Posted: Sat, Oct 23 2004, 10:20 PM EST
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I was close. The Navy Times did a poll and 73% of today's military will be voting Republican!
Charlie Offline
#12 Posted: Sun, Oct 24 2004, 7:19 AM EST
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I only wish the rest of the country was half as smart as the men and women in the military!

Charlie
sketcha Offline
#13 Posted: Sun, Oct 24 2004, 11:46 AM EST
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Charlie,

Half as smart? You mean like W.?

Heehee.
sketcha Offline
#14 Posted: Mon, Oct 25 2004, 7:16 AM EST
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't W. push for shrinking benefits for Vets. My Grandfather, Chief Boatswain's Mate's ship was Torpedoed in WWII. He spent the night struggling for survival in shark infested waters watching his men die. His poor old body aches. I think he, my many other family member vets and all vets and present service men and women for that matter deserve the best America has to offer.

That goes double for you fellas and the rest of the military folk here. My family and I truly do appreciate your service.
RDHacker Offline
#15 Posted: Tue, Oct 26 2004, 9:32 PM EST
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It seems there is a category that has been left out...

>Vietman Veterans honored in the Vietnamese Communist >War Remnants Museum in Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon)

>John Kerry

http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=20040531140357545

Cigarick Offline
#16 Posted: Tue, Oct 26 2004, 9:49 PM EST
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Michael Moron?
Bruce Springsteen?
Tim Robbins?
Sean Penn?
etc?
usahog Offline
#17 Posted: Tue, Oct 26 2004, 10:52 PM EST
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Sketcha, here's your answer to the one question above..

http://veterans.house.gov/news/108/5-19-04.html

Now do you need to see what Kerry's votes have been for the military AND the Veterans of this Land???

the democratic machine.... throw enough **** on the wall and somethings got to stick... while Americans are to busy to catch the real story behind the Story... they catch blubs and bits and peices of half truths....

Hog
sketcha Offline
#18 Posted: Wed, Oct 27 2004, 9:34 AM EST
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I'm sorry, Hog I skimmed it, but didn't have time to thoroughly read it. Did I miss the part that says W. signed something?
tarheel4lyf Offline
#19 Posted: Wed, Oct 27 2004, 10:38 AM EST
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Well my guy may have done all of this but what has your guy done? I know it was bad, but at least he did somehting. If there are gonna be facts and statistics thrown, at least make a plausible argument. The old "my dad can beat up your dad" line just doesn't fly anymore. I hate the way the democrats put spins and half truths all over the liberal media. I love hog's line of "throw enough **** against the wall and something is bound to stick." That is great!!
bullwyf Offline
#20 Posted: Thu, Oct 28 2004, 6:07 PM EST
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I went home to WV to vote, drove over 430 miles to do so. There were 10 people in line behind me waiting to vote. I told them I was a Marine just back from Iraq, those of you who recognize my email name know who I am, and they all said they were supporting President Bush also. The polls seem to be a little off. The big cities and rich areas of town were the only areas from NC to WV where I saw any support for the anti war candidate.
bullwyf Offline
#21 Posted: Thu, Oct 28 2004, 6:07 PM EST
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I went home to WV to vote, drove over 430 miles to do so. There were 10 people in line behind me waiting to vote. I told them I was a Marine just back from Iraq, those of you who recognize my email name know who I am, and they all said they were supporting President Bush also. The polls seem to be a little off. The big cities and rich areas of town were the only areas from NC to WV where I saw any support for the anti war candidate.
dmjdc Offline
#22 Posted: Thu, Oct 28 2004, 7:26 PM EST
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This is pure spin...nothing more nothing less. If this is all the Libs have, then Bush has nothing to worry about. If nothing else it shows someone can leave key names off a list and put key names on a list...btw, the list as it appears is inaccurate...but WHO CARES....SPIN!
EI Offline
#23 Posted: Fri, Oct 29 2004, 4:19 AM EST
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Author: MACS(SW) Date: 10/23/2004 01:30 AM Reply
I can only speak for my ship, but if it is an example of the rest of the military, you may find it interesting to know that when we in the "Chief's mess" refer to Democrats, we refer to them as "F-ing Democrats".

I'd say that 80% of the people on THIS ship vote Republican. All but 2 of the Chiefs do... and the Officers are pretty much the same, all voting Republican with the exception of a couple.


Mac thats why the dems are fighting not to count the absentee ballots from servicemen overseas
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