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I.Q. Expert: Bush Smarter than Kerry
usahog Offline
#1 Posted:
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http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/10/26/82947.shtml

Pulled from an article on the NY Times...

Since the early days of his first presidential campaign, Democratic hit men and women have challenged George W. Bush on his alleged poor intellect.


The generalization was that sure, Bush might be a folksy, down-home, warm guy but come on – when it comes to brains, he got left behind.

In fact, a phony claim from the non-existent "Lovenstein Institute" which circulated on the Internet in 2001 and was eventually included in leftist Gary Trudeau's "Doonesbury" comic strip pegged the president's I.Q. at 91, the lowest of any modern-day president.


Never mind that the young George W. Bush mastered both Yale and fighter planes, and managed to succeed in a number of business ventures, which included the successful purchase and sale of Major League Baseball's Texas Rangers.


Now, Bush bashers should get ready to wince, moan and groan: The New York Times reports Bush is not only a brainy guy, but may actually be smarter than the other Yale-educated presidential candidate John Kerry.


The Times quoted Steve Sailer, a columnist for immigration reform Web magazine Vdare.com, who is also adept at estimating a person's I.Q., and has done so for many presidents in the past.


In the 2000 presidential race, Sailer estimated Democrat Al Gore's I.Q. to be 10 points higher than Bush's score, which figured to be around the mid-120s.


Reports the Times: "Mr. Bush's score on the Air Force Officer Qualifying Test at age 22 again suggests that his I.Q was the mid-120's, putting Mr. Bush in about the 95th percentile of the population, according to Mr. Sailer. Mr. Kerry's I.Q. was about 120, in the 91st percentile, according to Mr. Sailer's extrapolation of his score at age 22 on the Navy Officer Qualification Test."


Sailer's analysis was called credible by Linda Gottfredson, an I.Q. expert at the University of Delaware. She told the Times she wasn't surprised at the results or that so many people had assumed that Mr. Kerry was smarter.


"People will often be misled into thinking someone is brighter if he says something complicated they can't understand," she said.


We won't hold our breath waiting for the president's detractors to apologize.

Ahem... Rick??? LMAO!!!!!

Hog
bassdude Offline
#2 Posted:
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I believe one has a masters degree and the other does not.
bassdude Offline
#3 Posted:
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posted too quick, was going to add "in addition"
Skatty2hotty Offline
#4 Posted:
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I have an I.Q. of 170+, and in my experience, it doesn't mean a thing. In fact, the movement now is to break away from I.Q. testing and beging to embrace Emotional Intelligence (EI) as it is a better indicator of overall "Smartness".
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#5 Posted:
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usahog

stupid is as stupid does

forrest gump.
drjothen Offline
#6 Posted:
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Hmm, measuring intelligence by emotion. Interesting. Kind of blows to hell former Cowboys coach Tom Landry's theory that you can't smile and think at the same time. LOL

DRJ
EI Offline
#7 Posted:
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Emotional Intelligence (EI)??????????

Now I like that

Ei
bassdude Offline
#8 Posted:
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Author: Skatty2hotty Date: 10/26/2004 08:20 PM

I have an I.Q. of 170+, and in my experience, it doesn't mean a thing. In fact, the movement now is to break away from I.Q. testing and beging to embrace Emotional Intelligence (EI) as it is a better indicator of overall "Smartness".
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Now that sounds like liberal BS - or a woman came up with it.


Skatty2hotty Offline
#9 Posted:
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Bassdude: Under what I'm assuming your definition of "liberal" is, you are probably mostly right. It still doesn't change the fact that I.Q. tests are quite flawed. People with high pattern recognition abilities do extremely well, but does that mean they are any "smarter" than a person who can do on the spot, critcal thinking when dealing with a person? Not at all.

My point was only that the I.Q. tests are quite flawed and biased and have a hard time measuring what we refer to as "street smarts".

We've all probably heard the saying that "B" students will run the world. "A" students are more likely to have higher I.Q.'s, and "B" students higher E.Q.'s.
bassdude Offline
#10 Posted:
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I agree with that. IQ and street smarts usually do not go hand in hand. I have always heard C students rule the world and no matter who wins the election we will have a C student in charge.

Since I am familiar with IQ but not EQ I'll have to do a little research. I still fail to see how anything with emotion as a fcator can quantify intelligence. Do you happen to have a link?
Skatty2hotty Offline
#11 Posted:
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None better than what Google could find. I learned of E.I. in my M.B.A. Organizational Behavior class.
CigarPrimate Offline
#12 Posted:
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I read an interesting book by neurologist Antonio Damasio last year entitled "The Feeling of What Happens," explaining how emotion and intelligence are two aspects of the same thing, mental function. If you remove either the emotional or calculation centers of the brain, it breaks. Good emotional response enhances intelligence, and intelligence enhances emotional responses. It's like asking which oar propels the boat along the best; they both do.
bassdude Offline
#13 Posted:
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cheroot chimp if that is the case Kerry must be broke -cause he sure lacks emotion.
CigarPrimate Offline
#14 Posted:
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I used to work with a gal named Harriet 'Fishman.' Let's see, Bush lacks a cortex and Kerry a pituitary. We should elect them both, we'll get two presidents with one brain between them.
bassdude Offline
#15 Posted:
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sad but true
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#16 Posted:
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bassdude

you almost slipped that past me. bush's c average is well documented.

from where did you obtain kerry's c average information.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#17 Posted:
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CigarPrimate

would you expand on "Bush lacks a cortex and Kerry a pituitary"
CigarPrimate Offline
#18 Posted:
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Rick,

see neurologist Damasio's assessment a few posts up.
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