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ikonoklast7 Offline
#1 Posted: Thu, Nov 13 2003, 4:40 PM EST
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Godfather's been getting a lot of angry emails from people accusing him of jipping somone on a trade.

If you look at godfather's trade record, and talk to anyone who's traded with him before, his rep is spotless. I'm positive anyone who's traded with him will defend him as a fair and generous trader. Whatever's going on is either an error at the Post Office or an error on the address he sent it to.

So please stop flaming him.
mrtelcom Offline
#2 Posted: Thu, Nov 13 2003, 5:26 PM EST
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Wowsers.
I have done 2 or 3 trades with Godfather, he always came through just fine. Sounds like a possible extraneous situation to me.
savbond000 Offline
#3 Posted: Thu, Nov 13 2003, 5:39 PM EST
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I put this in the other forum, sorry for thread jacking and Slim can slap me if he wants, but here it is again.........

Brothers and Sisters, even though I don't think the ladies have posted on this, calm down. You all seem to be jumping on him really hard. So some **** got lost in the mail. That is between Godfather and whoever he traded with. Since he was unaware of the situation until yesterday evening, why doesn't everybody just wait one damn minute!!!! Godfather is good for compensating his debts and trades. I've conducted many types of business with him many times. Never, in 3 years have I been screwed and I don't see any reasons for him to start now. This man takes pride in his name and reputation. I assure you that he will stop at nothing to right wrongs and settle up with people. He brought me to this board of "brothers" that seemed pretty friendly and reasonable, but I can faintly hear the phrase "et tu, Brute?" being muttered. Even you, his "brothers" of the leaf?
hensed Offline
#4 Posted: Thu, Nov 13 2003, 6:16 PM EST
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I've had nearly half a dozen trades with godfather and I have nothing but kind words. Give the man a chance to address the issue
smithbw Offline
#5 Posted: Fri, Nov 14 2003, 12:33 AM EST
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I have refrained from making comments on this subject (until now) because I thought this issue was resolved. Some people say that this is not my business.

I say to them “BS”.

It is my business, as I am an active trader with, what I consider, an in tact reputation. It is my business if we have a person within our community that is not upholding their end of an agreement. I am relieved that some have had successful trades with the "Godfather". That is good news but let’s go back to Cigar Trading 101! You are only as good as the last trade. It is a trader’s responsibility to follow through and ensure that their end of the trade gets to its final destination. If they miss this critical step and don’t answer emails then it appears to me (and most everyone else) that they are shunning their end of the agreement

I do not know all the particulars with the trade with JD1 but I know JD1 - Very Well - he is a true BOTL and if he says that he did not get his end of the trade....

Then "BY GOD" he did not get his end of the trade then the Godfather has only one option: Make it right - Immediately!!! Even if this means shipping another package (I recommend using registered mail) to complete the trade.

In different cigar communities the Godfather would not be allowed to continue his pass - As another Grand BOTL would have held the box pending an equitable outcome of the sour trade.

Just my .02 cents.


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xrundog Offline
#6 Posted: Fri, Nov 14 2003, 2:31 AM EST
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Once this is made public, it becomes everybody's business. Billy is 100% correct! A trader with a spotless record will endeavor to make this right. Even if it involves incurring a loss. So...make it right!
RobertParrott Offline
#7 Posted: Fri, Nov 14 2003, 2:58 AM EST
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ikonoklast7

I guess that you are at school with Godfather, seeing that you are letting him use your login, would that make you 19 also? careful bro you could end up in the same boat as him. The mans rep is not spottless in my book and I could care less what the excuse is. We are all busy, very busy, if you commit to something you follow through..... trades, clubs ect. no matter what.

ikonoklast7 Offline
#8 Posted: Fri, Nov 14 2003, 6:08 AM EST
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Robert, godfather is not at IU with me. He wasn't logged in under my name, he merely sent me a message over IM for me to post so everyone could hear.

Godfather is sending another packaged out to jd1, seeing how he only found out two days ago that the first package didn't arrive, and he's got nothing but **** from people via email automatically thinking he's a swindler instead of giving him a chance to make up for it.

Now, again, back to the point, get off his butt about all this. This is between him and jd1, and there was no need for all these BOTL to act so unbrotherly by automatically condemning him as a cheat.
smithbw Offline
#9 Posted: Fri, Nov 14 2003, 6:32 AM EST
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Ironklast - You Said - Now, again, back to the point, get off his butt about all this. This is between him and jd1, and there was no need for all these BOTL to act so unbrotherly by automatically condemning him as a cheat.

Definition of Brotherhood:

1. The state or relationship of being brothers.

2. Fellowship.

3. An association of men, such as a fraternity or union, united for common purposes.

Last but certainly "NOT" least: All the members of a profession or trade.

So, it is about all of us...Not just between the two parties that you inidicated above.

Bottom Line: Godfather should do whatever it takes to make it right!


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ikonoklast7 Offline
#10 Posted: Fri, Nov 14 2003, 6:51 AM EST
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Good point, smithbw

But I'm still of the opinion he should've been given the benefit of the doubt instead of getting flamed over email like several people decided to do.
Steve*R Offline
#11 Posted: Fri, Nov 14 2003, 7:40 AM EST
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I do not know the particulars of this trade.

It is quite clear that some hard feelings have been engendered. It is imperative that when trades are made, the parcels have tracking numbers and are insured. When a parcel is sent, the tracking number should be emailed immediately. I've traded alot of cigars, and only once been burned. The vast majority of times I have been delighted, if not astounded at what my trading partner sent me.
I assume that the party who didn't receive his parcel phoned the fellow who had sent it.
I'm curious to know how long this process has taken.
Penguin13 Offline
#12 Posted: Fri, Nov 14 2003, 7:42 AM EST
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Before this goes any further...I DO know the whole story. Here are four emails exchanged between me and godfather:

This one is to Jd1:
You sem to know penquin and I want his email. Becuase I cannot be part of the fourms does not he can incriminate me. He does not know whats going on and making me look bad. You tell that little sh*t to contact me or I will find a way to contact him.

Heres my response to him:
Whats up Chris? Making you look bad...you did that yourself! It's real simple, send Jerry the smokes you were suppose to weeks ago and everything will be fine. I will be more than happy to post about how I jumped the gun and you are a true BOTL...just make things right. If this is done, I look like the a$$hole, not you. So you have nothing to worry about :) If you can auction them and make hundreds of
dollars on these deals, why can't you spend $3.85 to send a couple priority mail to people you have already promised them too. I have got packages lost in the mail before and as soon as I do, I send another one. If that one turns up and they get both...so be it. Just make things right...that's all I ask. And like I said before, I will post about how I was wrong and jumped the gun...no harm done to you or your rep.

Heres his response:
Ok first this was brought to my attention yesterday and I already worked it out with him and I am sending a make up package tommorow. Do not comment on what you do not know about and keep your head up your own a$$. You already look like the a$$hole for opening your mouth in the first place. I just found out this package was lost yesterday. So keep that in mind before you comment anymore about someone you do not know.

My response:
What ever you say ole' buddy :)
(head back in ass)

You can all decide from here. Read jd1's response to him on the other post too. I in now way threatend him.
Penguin13 Offline
#13 Posted: Fri, Nov 14 2003, 7:46 AM EST
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Copy and paste form jd1 in another thread:

"Indeed this has gotten out of hand but only several people know the details and many don't. I had to push the issue with godfather or ikonoklast because he did not follow through on the trade. He knew well before the other day that his end didn't get to me yet he didn't follow through. And all many of you are hearing is how one person is getting pissed on by a few others. If you want me to email you the thread we had the entire two plus weeks, then let me know and I'll send it to you and you can see the reason for the pissing. Not once did he mention in several responses that he thought it might have been lost. He first said he lost me email. Fine. Then he said he had my email and sent it Fine. Did he follow through? No. After several weeks and several emails that appeared to be brushing me off, I inquired with several BOTL as to his credentials. I give him the benefit of the doubt if he says he truly didn't know my end didn't get to me. So be it. But his actions spoke volumes. If you don't receive your end of the deal any of you reading this is going to question the same as I did. Any of you is going to start asking around. And like many BOTL you are going to get pissed when someone with a reputation "appears" to not hold up the deal with someone you know. I'm not going to deal with those people; they can do that on their own because that was their choice to respond. Apparently there has been some bad correspondence of which I didn't know about regarding some past issues. As for people jumping his case for it; hey it's up to him to explain his situation to those questioning it because of his actions and it's up to him to come clean on it. So now he says he is. That's fine too. Regardless, it's been a fu#$ed up trade. It's not the cigars it's the principle. Hell I've given more away than what he owes me and of equal quality. Again. many of you are responding to something only several of us know the details about, and godfather knows this. I'm done with this and could care less if his $hit lands on my doorstep. It appears that some of us have a way with conducting trades that is different than others. Personally, I don't conduct trades like someone "buying" smokes and then sit back just to see when or if they will arrive. Many people, myself included, follow through. There's a lot to be said about sending a delivery confirmation number and that would have avoided the whole mess."
Penguin13 Offline
#14 Posted: Fri, Nov 14 2003, 7:50 AM EST
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Notice the two plus weeks part...

KC
Penguin13 Offline
#15 Posted: Fri, Nov 14 2003, 7:55 AM EST
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Now, if this all comes out to be true, what Ikon is saying, I will personally right a letter of appology to Godfather and mail it to him. As I said in the emails I will post how I jumped the gun and he is a true BOTL. Just make things right.

KC
grond Offline
#16 Posted: Fri, Nov 14 2003, 8:49 AM EST
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I am one who has not traded with Godfather; however, I sent him an unrequested courtesy package with no request to be compensated. (I do this to people who are new or who have traded with me in the past when I get a surplus of sticks.) This is a list of what I sent.

1 CAO Gold Corona (5.5 X 42)
1 CAO L’Anniversaire Corona (5.5 X 42)
1 Macanudo Hyde Park (5.5 X 49)
1 Perdomo 2 Milenario (6.5 X 55)
1 Carlos Toranos Reserva Selecta Robusto Glass Tubo (5 X 50)
1 Carlos Toranos Exodus 1959 Torpedo (6.5 X 54)
1 Hoya de Nicaragua (4.5 X 52)
1 Puros Indios Toro Especial (6 X 53)
1 La Perla Habana Classic Toro (6 X 50)
1 RyJ Clemenceau Tubo (6 X 50)
And a few bonus sticks that I didn't write down.

I hope that none of these sticks has shown up on an auction site. My intent in sending fellow BOTL "free" sticks is for their enjoyment and development of their individual tastes, not for personal profit. Hell, I could auction them if that was what I was interested in.

I have also been involved in the Godfather Pass and put better than I took. I hope he doesn't auction off the two Ashton VSG's I put in the box. :(
Penguin13 Offline
#17 Posted: Fri, Nov 14 2003, 8:57 AM EST
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I will stand up for him and say he is NOT auctioning cigars gifted by people here. He is buying rare smokes and putting them up for auction (858 Rosada Sungrown)

KC
mrtelcom Offline
#18 Posted: Fri, Nov 14 2003, 9:03 AM EST
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He is auctioning off only the 858sg according to his history over there. I will also say that he traded some to me, at a lower return value than he could have gotten by auctioning them.
ikonoklast7 Offline
#19 Posted: Fri, Nov 14 2003, 9:53 AM EST
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Godfather has been auctioning off the special cigars he's gotten from a local store (namely 858 SG and rosada, and Hemingway SG) in order to raise some money for buying Christmas gifts for his family and friends.

If you give him a cigar, he either trades, gifts it, or smokes. I haven't seen him auction off any of the smokes he's received from fellow BOTLs.

On his behalf, Penguin13, I say thanks for being a good BOTL.
billyjackson Offline
#20 Posted: Fri, Nov 14 2003, 10:04 AM EST
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It's been several days, so I thought I'd get into the mix.

I have a simple question...if GFather is no longer eligible to be on the boards, why is this a board discussion? If he has transactions with people, it is through personal contact. If they want to risk the transaction, let them. If something goes haywire, why is it still the board's issue?

But what the hell do I know?
ikonoklast7 Offline
#21 Posted: Fri, Nov 14 2003, 10:16 AM EST
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Godfather's only 19, and somehow Cbid found out, so they discontinued his account.

The story of all of this having to do with the boards is one I'm just gonna stay away from telling right now. No need stirring up anymore **** than's already happened, lol.
al'Thor Offline
#22 Posted: Fri, Nov 14 2003, 10:19 AM EST
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whoa... I thought I read through everything (all FIVE freakin' threads on this tiring subject) but I missed GF being off the boards - when did this happen? Was it because he's selling gars on the net or b/c of this? Not that it can really be inforced - looks like he still has access to our boards through his friends...
al'Thor Offline
#23 Posted: Fri, Nov 14 2003, 10:20 AM EST
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dang, a few minutes too late....

anyway....
rmarrandino Offline
#24 Posted: Fri, Nov 14 2003, 11:47 AM EST
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Hey,

Isn't this the same guy who got banned from a tabacco shop and got into a pissing contest with DocRKS.

Looks like 3 strikes and you're out.
billyjackson Offline
#25 Posted: Fri, Nov 14 2003, 11:48 AM EST
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rmarr...

Glad someone brought that up.
rmarrandino Offline
#26 Posted: Fri, Nov 14 2003, 11:49 AM EST
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Billy,

In today's society if you continually have problems with people you somehow the victim.

It's no reason there has been a mass exodus off of these boards.
rmarrandino Offline
#27 Posted: Fri, Nov 14 2003, 11:51 AM EST
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Damn,,,,

'are the victim'
Steve*R Offline
#28 Posted: Fri, Nov 14 2003, 12:33 PM EST
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19 years old................

I have cigars older than that.

Lesson to be learned: Trades always require a USPS Track and Confirm or UPS tracking number.
grond Offline
#29 Posted: Fri, Nov 14 2003, 1:09 PM EST
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Please ignore my previous post. If traded smokes are smoked, gifted or retraded then I have no problems. Plus, I forgot he is only 19 which is the whole reason I sent him the freebies anyway.

Again, ignore my prior post.
smithbw Offline
#30 Posted: Fri, Nov 14 2003, 1:14 PM EST
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LMAO @ Steve*R - A Very Good Point as Well.

BTW - Wanna trade for a few of em "Older Gars"? =)

Regards,


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smelly4tay Offline
#31 Posted: Sat, Nov 15 2003, 7:37 PM EST
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Hey Grond,
grond Offline
#32 Posted: Sat, Nov 15 2003, 7:39 PM EST
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Hey Smelly4tay,
xibbumbero Offline
#33 Posted: Sat, Nov 15 2003, 7:56 PM EST
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Tennis anyone? X :~)
Slimboli Offline
#34 Posted: Sun, Nov 16 2003, 4:41 AM EST
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ikonoklast7 --- you use the acronyn 'BTOL' very loosely, like it is some kind of 'blanket protection' for you ...

As in every aspect of life, just because you smoke cigars, it doesn't mean that everyone who smokes cigars is one of your 'brothers of the leaf' ... just as in any club or gathering of people, not everyone will like each other ... nor do they have to to belong.

And since you brought it up ikon, what really bothers me and what I think is total BS, is the fact that Godfather, who you claim to he such a great 'BOTL', is attempting to 'gouge' whomever he can ... with that auction he has going on right now on that 'other' site. Oh sure, he may be trying to make money for Christmas gifts, but what kind of 'buy price' is that? $500 for a box of 858SG's, with few extras thrown in ?!? Give me a break ...

To me ... that just sucks the 'big one', and although I probably shouldn't have brought it up on this tread, it shows his true intents.

And it also makes me wonder what he plans on doing with the cigars in his box pass ... when they return home to him.
gorob23 Offline
#35 Posted: Sun, Nov 16 2003, 8:14 AM EST
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Ok I have been watching from the sidelines and figured I might as well toss in my .02 worth.
Once a gift is given it is up to the person recieving the gift to do whatever they please. Having said that, I would never think about selling a smoke that was gifted to me. Someone was nice enough to want me to enjoy it and I would hope that anyone that I gave a smoke to would want to enjoy that also. It just doesn't seem right to auction them off.

A BOTL is, well it's best described by the people like fbcoach, maddvibe. For me these guys just stepped up and sent cigars without being asked but because They wanted someone else to enjoy what they themseves have found to be good. No Question asked nothing in return asked. Or a trader like Maddmax that sent more than was necessary, I guess cause he wanted to make sure I was ok with the trade! I was embarrsed he sent so many! Like Etan said in the Pass rules he stole from Doc... "Be Fair" it's that simple! "Do what's right" I tell my kids, have a nice Sunday all :)

Just some thoughts from the west coast
eleltea Offline
#36 Posted: Sun, Nov 16 2003, 8:31 AM EST
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I am rather enjoying the Nat Sherman corona I am smoking while trying to decide what I think about all this.
billyjackson Offline
#37 Posted: Sun, Nov 16 2003, 9:18 AM EST
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What is very bothersome to me in addition to the highly disrespectful practices described going on here are the "casualties" the forum has endured because the two specific main players in this saga (ikon and GF). I tried to be good to them...gifted smokes, joining GF's pass just so he could do a pass even though it was because he was pouting about being left out of someone else's.

Man was I an idiot. And since it seems that it has been decided that this issue is in fact a CBid forum issue, I thus submit my opinion...

To hell with GF and ikon as well for that matter.
ikonoklast7 Offline
#38 Posted: Sun, Nov 16 2003, 9:52 AM EST
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Just what have I done here?

I asked people to stop flaming GF and give him the benefit of a doubt, and also spoke on his behalf because he no longer had a CBid account.

I've never intended to hurt anyone's feelings or offend anyone, and the times I have made mistakes, I've always apologized. It's not my problem if people can't forgive.

Or what's even worse is when someone is unknowingly doing something wrong and not a single f*cking soul raises their voice to let that person know. In past incidents, people have told me, I've thanked them for their input, and I've apologized to all offended in those situations. Of course, it's their place to forgive and go on, which if they so choose they can NOT forgive and choose to hold a grudge.

But if I've apparently done so many injustices to the members of this forum (and the ones I've done, know about, and have tried to make ammends for don't seem to me enough to drive droves away from these forums), then why wasn't I made aware of them?

If I've done anything wrong unknowingly and any of YOU didn't bother to tell me and instead spoke angry words about me in private to other people, then YOU are just as guilty as I am.

Please, tell me what crimes I've committed, isn't that every accussed person's right? I won't hesitate to apologize and try my very best never to do such bad things again.

I've said I'm sorry and corrected my ways and I will again if I've done wrong...it's not my fault if you can't forgive.
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