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Trump Indicted Again - Begs for More Donations
RayR Offline
#151 Posted:
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Abrignac wrote:
I don’t hate other people’s ideas. But, I find it comical that a person such as yourself, who is completely incapable of articulating a position on your own and must rely on the work of others to get a point across come here and put down on others who disagree with you. If makes you look stupid because if you had the intelligence to do so you wouldn’t need to rely on others to make your case for you.


Yes you do! Yer a HATER. I'll say it again, you hate those peeps and their historical facts that confound the cartoonish images in your head which you probably accumulated from indoctrination by lefty history teachers and authors. Remember, LEFTY LOVES TEDDY!

I didn't know Teddy personally, but others were contemporaries of his and some even knew him personally like Mark Twain, a person whose opinions have shown are deserving of respect. So, I as well as others rely on their firsthand knowledge and the original written record of his wannabe dicktatorship. How do you articulate your position again?Laugh

You can believe anything you want; you can believe that Teddy rode on the back of Bullwinkle J. Moose, a long-time supporter of the Bull Moose Party through the forest chasing evil capitalists and conserving nature. I don't care. I'm am mercifully not going to encourage your fantasies.
rfenst Offline
#152 Posted:
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8trackdisco wrote:
Thanks Frank.

Had hopes for the better angels of his nature would appreciate my response.

Took the TR clean air, water, and land preservation as everything a True Conservative is.

Blew the rest of the points off.

98.2% of the time, I enjoy listening to a person with a differing view. He’s still the one trick pony he was 90 days ago when I blocked his blowhard posts. Obviously a man who never built anything or anybody up. Seeing what he doesn’t bring to the table makes me see why some people are pro abortion.

Back to the muting him and engaging in discussions with people I value.

Applause
Brewha Offline
#153 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
Good to read that many are catching on to what RayR is all about

I’ve had lots of thoughts about this.

And I have told many “don’t feed the Animals”.

Ray just wants to sow division - and get lots of attention doing it. That’s why the consistent “them or us” rhetoric and the name calling.

Credit where it’s due; he really does derail the conversation - just so you’ll argue with him. And he will say anything to get attention.

It’s too bad, be used we used to have some really good conversations and debate - on real issues. Now we just get to read Ray’s crying for his bottle…..
Brewha Offline
#154 Posted:
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So, with the Right immediately selling “witch hunt” theory again, I was thinking of the general sales tactic:

According to the right, you cannot trust anyone or information from anyone other than themselves.
Just keeping score here, according to them you cannot trust:
FBI
DOJ
CDC
NOAA
NASA
Grand Juries
CIA
Congress
Senate
Police
And anyone with evidence of GOP wrongdoings.

But you can, neh have to trust Honest Donald J Trump. Because he alone speaks the truth and is the only one who can save America.
rfenst Offline
#155 Posted:
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RayR wrote:
I know that you like some others who need no introduction (you know..like SPEY!) HATE other people's ideas, particularly those that confound those cartoonish images in your head.

You have no f'n idea if you think you know anything about who Spey and Anthony are -and what they think about other peoples' ideas.
You have never met either of them.
You could not keep up with them up on your best day.

(Corrected)
Abrignac Offline
#156 Posted:
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RayR wrote:
Yes you do! Yer a HATER. I'll say it again, you hate those peeps and their historical facts that confound the cartoonish images in your head which you probably accumulated from indoctrination by lefty history teachers and authors. Remember, LEFTY LOVES TEDDY!

I didn't know Teddy personally, but others were contemporaries of his and some even knew him personally like Mark Twain, a person whose opinions have shown are deserving of respect. So, I as well as others rely on their firsthand knowledge and the original written record of his wannabe dicktatorship. How do you articulate your position again?Laugh

You can believe anything you want; you can believe that Teddy rode on the back of Bullwinkle J. Moose, a long-time supporter of the Bull Moose Party through the forest chasing evil capitalists and conserving nature. I don't care. I'm am mercifully not going to encourage your fantasies.


Once again let me help you out stupid. I’ve NEVER posted anything about TR. I suggest you consult with Lew Rockwell, or whatever his name is, because once again you are wrong. Imagine that….
Abrignac Offline
#157 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
You have no f'n idea if you think y anything about who Spey and Anthony are -and what they think about other peoples' ideas. You have never met either of them. You could not keep up on your best day.



Trying to understand your poorly worded responses is hard at times. But, since you mention both me and Spey by name then it follows that you are referring to each of us when you say you have never met either of us. Well, Mr. Dumbass once again you are wrong. Robert and I have met in person at least 5-6 times.
rfenst Offline
#158 Posted:
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Abrignac wrote:
Trying to understand your poorly worded responses is hard at times. But, since you mention both me and Spey by name then it follows that you are referring to each of us when you say you have never met either of us. Well, Mr. Dumbass once again you are wrong. Robert and I have met in person at least 5-6 times.

TyVM for the heads up.
Abrignac Offline
#159 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
I’ve had lots of thoughts about this.

And I have told many “don’t feed the Animals”.

Ray just wants to sow division - and get lots of attention doing it. That’s why the consistent “them or us” rhetoric and the name calling.

Credit where it’s due; he really does derail the conversation - just so you’ll argue with him. And he will say anything to get attention.

It’s too bad, be used we used to have some really good conversations and debate - on real issues. Now we just get to read Ray’s crying for his bottle…..


Scott you and I rarely agree on anything you know, you being a LEFTY and such. But, I will agree with your assessment of Ray. All of it.

The way he conducts himself makes me think of a group of adults who sit around a table having a discussion about issues. They don’t always agree, but for the most part they are civil. However, while they are doing so there is a little kid, not even tall enough to see over the table, who constantly circles the table squeezing between pairs of adults trying to participate. Unfortunately, whereas they are discussing topics of great importance he’s constantly trying to steer the conversation towards things like the Teletubbies, the 3 Stooges or Sweet Dreams Spot.
RayR Offline
#160 Posted:
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I notice that those who truly can't articulate an argument complain that there are no good conversations and debate.Eh?

Or just slap an emoji as a cheering response to a post that offers a whole lot of nothing but indifference, insults and avoiding debate. Then they think they are being real smat

Go figure.

Well Mr. rfenst, since I'm the only one who has presented any facts and evidence, which some think is unfair, divisive and just plain nasty, I concur I cannot keep up with some of them.
RayR Offline
#161 Posted:
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Abrignac wrote:
Once again let me help you out stupid. I’ve NEVER posted anything about TR. I suggest you consult with Lew Rockwell, or whatever his name is, because once again you are wrong. Imagine that….


Of course, you are right, I apologize, but you and 8track look so much alike even though you say he is a LEFTY and you are NOT. Where I got you two mixed up is you both seem to have a common disdain for the ideas of others, present or historical, especially when they rub you the wrong way. I don't know how you guys got through school with attitudes like that.

You really should have given us your original insights into TR as it relates to Trump and Biden. TR was the first modern imperial president that opened the door for the others after all. I know some self-described conservatives claim TR as one of their own. Do you?

Anyway, you do have a cartoonish view of what government is IMO.
I say if government once was a necessary evil, it has degraded to where it is just two no-holds-barred street gangs fighting for power and loot, and words on paper, truth and justice and all that means absolutely nothing in the scheme of things.

Abrignac Offline
#162 Posted:
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RayR wrote:
I notice that those who truly can't articulate an argument complain that there are no good conversations and debate.Eh?

Or just slap an emoji as a cheering response to a post that offers a whole lot of nothing but indifference, insults and avoiding debate. Then they think they are being real smat

Go figure.

Well Mr. rfenst, since I'm the only one who has presented any facts and evidence, which some think is unfair, divisive and just plain nasty, I concur I cannot keep up with some of them.



Ray I just looked at the previous 61 posts in this thread. Robert posted ONE emoji. If I counted correctly you posted ELEVEN. You’re such a loser.
RayR Offline
#163 Posted:
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Abrignac wrote:
Ray I just looked at the previous 61 posts in this thread. Robert posted ONE emoji. If I counted correctly you posted ELEVEN. You’re such a loser.


You are delusional, I never posted one single emoji as a post in itself. No clap clap...no nothing.
HockeyDad Offline
#164 Posted:
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Teddy Roosevelt had a crush on Sacagawea.

Cite my source…..Night At The Museum.

HockeyDad Offline
#165 Posted:
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Beer Whistle Applause
RayR Offline
#166 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
Teddy Roosevelt had a crush on Sacagawea.

Cite my source…..Night At The Museum.



I heard he was such a manly man he boffed all da squaws in the village twice in one night!
rfenst Offline
#167 Posted:
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Barr Says Documents Case Against Trump Is ‘Entirely of His Own Making’

The former attorney general, who has become a vocal critic of the former president, also attacked his character in extraordinary language.

NYT

William P. Barr, who served as attorney general under President Donald J. Trump, excoriated his former boss on Sunday for “reckless conduct” that led to Mr. Trump’s indictment on charges of mishandling classified documents, saying that the case was “entirely of his own making.”

Mr. Barr, in an interview with CBS News’s “Face the Nation,” walked through the severity of the charges against Mr. Trump. He described the former president’s actions — laid out in a 49-page indictment — as harmful not only to the country, but also to the Republican Party and the conservative movement that Mr. Trump leads.

Mr. Barr also attacked Mr. Trump’s character in extraordinary language, describing him as “a consummate narcissist” and a “fundamentally flawed person” who would always put his own ego ahead of everything else. He added that he believed Mr. Trump had lied to the Justice Department about the classified documents in his possession.

“He’s like a defiant 9-year-old kid who is always pushing the glass towards the edge of the table, defying his parents from stopping him from doing it,” Mr. Barr said, adding that “our country can’t be a therapy session for a troubled man like this.”

Mr. Trump, who is accused of illegally retaining classified documents and obstructing efforts to retrieve them after he left office, is the first former president to be charged with federal crimes. He pleaded not guilty last week.

Mr. Barr has become a vocal critic of the former president but was once a staunch defender, including during the special counsel investigation into Mr. Trump’s 2016 campaign’s ties to Russia, which Mr. Barr sought to discredit.

Mr. Trump “has been the victim of unfair witch hunts in the past,” Mr. Barr said on Sunday. But, he insisted, the charges in the documents case were very different.

“This was a case entirely of his own making,” Mr. Barr said. “He had no right to those documents. The government tried over a year, quietly and with respect, to get them back — which it was essential that they do — and he jerked them around. And he had no legal basis for keeping them.”
MACS Offline
#168 Posted:
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The donkey told the tiger: The grass is blue. The tiger replied: No, the grass is green​.

The discussion became heated, and the two decided to submit the issue to arbitration, and to do so they approached the lion.

Before reaching the clearing in the forest where the lion was sitting on his throne, the donkey started screaming: ′′Your Highness, isn't it true that the grass is blue?"​

The lion replied: "True, the grass is blue"​.

The donkey rushed forward and continued: ′′The tiger disagrees with me and contradicts me and annoys me. Please punish him"​.

The king then declared: ′′The tiger will be punished with 5 years of silence"​.

The donkey jumped with joy and went on his way, content and repeating: ′′The grass is blue"​..

The tiger accepted his punishment, but he asked the lion: ′′Your Majesty, why have you punished me, after all, the grass is green?"​

The lion replied: ′′In fact, the grass is green"​.

The tiger asked: ′′So why do you punish me?"​

The lion replied:

That has nothing to do with the question of whether the grass is blue or green. The punishment is because it is not possible for a brave, intelligent creature like you to waste time arguing with a donkey, and on top of that to come and bother me with that question

The worst waste of time is arguing with the fool and fanatic who doesn't care about truth or reality, but only the victory of his beliefs and illusions. Never waste time on discussions that make no sense... There are people who for all the evidence presented to them, do not have the ability to understand, and others who are blinded by ego, hatred and resentment, and the only thing that they want is to be right even if they aren’t.
Abrignac Offline
#169 Posted:
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Unfortunately, I’ve had plenty of time to waste these last 2-3 days. That should change Tuesday.
8trackdisco Offline
#170 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
You have no f'n idea if you think you know anything about who Spey and Anthony are -and what they think about other peoples' ideas.
You have never met either of them.
You could not keep up with them up on your best day.

(Corrected)


Feel free to join the Mute Club.
Abrignac Offline
#171 Posted:
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8trackdisco wrote:
Feel free to join the Mute Club.


I’m sure he and his cheerleader buddy will go back on my mute list tomorrow or Tuesday. I’ve been home a few days and suddenly found little to do the last couple of days.

But, that is about to change. My birthday present to myself is due in tomorrow, a rod and reel combo, so I’ll have that toy to play with.

I also gave myself a Go-Pro Mini with a chest harness for my birthday. Need to be able to document me laying the smack down on Shawnie MACS in his backyard. So I need to set that up, too.

In addition, I got some 50#, 100# and 150# leader, some ball-bearing snap swivels, some plain ball-bearing swivels and an assortment of hooks that I need to turn into reef fishing rigs.

All that should keep me busy tomorrow. I’m supposed to head out Tuesday then be back on July 2nd or 3rd so I can head for Jacksonville on the 4th.

I really hate to think about the $$$$ I spent on myself for my birthday this year. Ha, no I don’t.
RayR Offline
#172 Posted:
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I tired of arguing with Donkeys whose original thought is the grass is blue.
When they say they are muting you, it means they lost the debate and are scampering off in defeat. Boo hoo!
MACS Offline
#173 Posted:
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Abrignac wrote:
I also gave myself a Go-Pro Mini with a chest harness for my birthday. Need to be able to document me laying the smack down on Shawnie MACS in his backyard. So I need to set that up, too.


I like the confidence, but I'll prepare a plate of crow for you. Just in case.
MACS Offline
#174 Posted:
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I'll just leave this here.

https://www.prageru.com/video/russian-collusion-and-the-death-of-journalism?utm_source=Iterable&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=campaign_7070622

I can already hear the "but it's Prager". Yes... but the actual SOURCE is the most respected publication in journalism, by one of the most respected and experienced journalists. And it's 100% true.
RayR Offline
#175 Posted:
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I don't always agree with what is on PragerU, but the donkeys will say "if it's on PragerU it can't be true because the grass is blue"
Abrignac Offline
#176 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
I like the confidence, but I'll prepare a plate of crow for you. Just in case.


Hehehe

You know I’m just bs’ing. I wouldn’t care who does better. After all, a bad day fishing beats the best day doing anything else.
Abrignac Offline
#177 Posted:
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BTW, Ray, I don’t know what you posted. I hit the ignore button on you. Have a nice life.
RayR Offline
#178 Posted:
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Abrignac wrote:
BTW, Ray, I don’t know what you posted. I hit the ignore button on you. Have a nice life.


I graciously accept your SURRENDER.
rfenst Offline
#179 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
I'll just leave this here....

...
I can already hear the "but it's Prager". Yes... but the actual SOURCE is the most respected publication in journalism, by one of the most respected and experienced journalists. And it's 100% true.

That is quite an immutable position to take on.
NO news media is neutral on all things (including NYT, WAPO and WSJ).

Some, don't report accurately, which invalidates their fact based opinions. Others report accurately, but have slanted opinions. That's the norm.

Wikepedia sez:

"PragerU is an American advocacy group that creates videos and content to promote an exclusively conservative viewpoint on various political, economic, and sociological topics. It was co-founded in 2009 by Allen Estrin and talk show host Dennis Prager.

Despite its name being short for Prager University, PragerU is not an academic institution, and does not hold classes, nor grants diplomas. Many of PragerU's videos contain misleading or factually incorrect information promoting climate change denial. Historians and political scientists have also heavily criticized PragerU's videos for containing misleading claims about topics such as slavery and racism in the United States, immigration, and the history of fascism. PragerU has also been accused of promoting anti-LGBTQ politics."


If Wikepedia is right- and it seems to be based on my knowledge of PraegerU- then it cannot be relied on as the "most respected publication in journalism."
MACS Offline
#180 Posted:
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^^You did not watch the video, did you?

Prager repeated it... because none of the other media outlets bothered to. The Columbia Journalism Review did the investigative reporting. And since they've reported all the media outlets are trash, obviously none of them wanted to show you that.
HockeyDad Offline
#181 Posted:
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“Promoting climate change denial”…..

That sounds like settled science!
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#182 Posted:
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Wikipedia 🤣🤣🤣🤣
rfenst Offline
#183 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
^^You did not watch the video, did you?

Prager repeated it... because none of the other media outlets bothered to. The Columbia Journalism Review did the investigative reporting. And since they've reported all the media outlets are trash, obviously none of them wanted to show you that.

I would not comment on a video I have not seen.
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#184 Posted:
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Abrignac wrote:
BTW, Ray, I don’t know what you posted. I hit the ignore button on you. Have a nice life.


Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause
MACS Offline
#185 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
I would not comment on a video I have not seen.


Okay, but your comment made me believe you didn't see it. They told you in the beginning who did the reporting and for which publication, yet your post made it seem like you believed Prager did it. Nope.
rfenst Offline
#186 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
Okay, but your comment made me believe you didn't see it. They told you in the beginning who did the reporting and for which publication, yet your post made it seem like you believed Prager did it. Nope.

From it's website:

What Is PragerU?

We promote American values through the creative use of educational videos that reach millions of people online. As a 501(c)(3) nonprofit, Prager University Foundation (“PragerU”) offers a free [b]alternative to the dominant left-wing ideology in culture, media, and education.

Whose American values? Yours? Mine Someone elses?

Merely referring to an alternative to a "dominant left-wing media" is a political position. That makes them a combination of news and opinions. This is NOT a neutral news source

You like vanilla, I like chocolate. No reason we can't e3njoy ice cream cones together
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#187 Posted:
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Sigh
RayR Offline
#188 Posted:
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Sigh +1
Brewha Offline
#189 Posted:
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I guess the message is that if mainstream media does not cover something that gives it credence....

So, Big Foot is REAL!
Brewha Offline
#190 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
“Promoting climate change denial”…..

That sounds like settled science!


There is in fact a science to climate change denial - it is measurable wide and deep.
HockeyDad Offline
#191 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
There is in fact a science to climate change denial - it is measurable wide and deep.


Hertz offered me a Tesla. I turned it down for a gas powered Mazda. The weather forecast in your area should be for elevated heat.
Brewha Offline
#192 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
Hertz offered me a Tesla. I turned it down for a gas powered Mazda. The weather forecast in your area should be for elevated heat.


Having owned both, I can tell you that you blew it.

You're not still using a Blackberry are you?
HockeyDad Offline
#193 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
Having owned both, I can tell you that you blew it.

You're not still using a Blackberry are you?


I didn’t want to have to deal with returning it fully charged or however it works. Plus the farting sounds.

For quite some time BlackBerry was the only product that could meet corporate security requirements. As soon as other manufacturers caught up they became beer coasters. I’ve had two Blackberries. Hated them.
rfenst Offline
#194 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
I didn’t want to have to deal with returning it fully charged or however it works. Plus the farting sounds.

For quite some time BlackBerry was the only product that could meet corporate security requirements. As soon as other manufacturers caught up they became beer coasters. I’ve had two Blackberries. Hated them.

Bought myself one a week before the iPhone came out. Hated it. Went to iPhone and have never looked back.
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#195 Posted:
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What Happens if a Presidential Candidate Is Convicted?

The Constitution and American law have clear answers for only some of the questions that would arise. Others would bring the country into truly uncharted territory.


NYT

Not since Eugene V. Debs campaigned from a prison cell more than a century ago has the United States experienced what might now happen: a prominent candidate with a felony conviction running for president. And never before has that candidate been someone with a real chance of winning.

Former President Donald J. Trump faces no campaign restrictions. Though he has been charged with dozens of felonies across two cases, one federal and one in New York, verdicts are a long way off. And there are many uncertainties, including whether the proceedings will hinder Mr. Trump’s campaign in practical ways or begin to hurt him in the polls in a way they have not so far.

But if he is convicted on any of the felony counts, things get more complicated — and the Constitution and American law have clear answers for only some of the questions that would arise.

Others would bring the country into truly uncharted territory, with huge decisions resting in the hands of federal judges.

Here is what we know, and what we don’t know.

Can Trump run if he is convicted?
This is the simplest question of the bunch. The answer is yes.

The Constitution sets very few eligibility requirements for presidents. They must be at least 35 years old, be “natural born” citizens and have lived in the United States for at least 14 years.

There are no limitations based on character or criminal record. (While some states prohibit felons from running for state and local office, these laws do not apply to federal offices.)

New revelations. The 49-page indictment against Donald Trump and a personal aide, Walt Nauta, revealed a host of potentially devastating new details in the Justice Department’s inquiry into the former president’s mishandling of classified documents. Here are some of the most significant allegations:

There was a stunning pattern of obstruction. Prosecutors say Trump willfully ignored a May 2022 subpoena requiring him to return the documents — and took extraordinary steps to obstruct investigators. The indictment details how Nauta, at Trump’s direction, moved 64 boxes of documents so that Trump’s lawyer could not find them.

Boxes of documents were stored in a bathroom. In April 2021, Trump’s employees needed to move dozens of boxes from a ballroom at his Mar-a-Lago estate. “There is still a little room in the shower where his other stuff is,” one aide texted another. The boxes were hauled to a small bathroom and piled up nearly to the tiny chandelier next to the toilet.

Documents were stored sloppily. The indictment shows a picture of a box of top secret national security documents that in 2021 had spilled onto the floor of a Mar-a-Lago storage room accessible to many of the resort’s employees.

Trump made a “plucking motion.” The indictment recounts how Trump and his lawyer discussed what to do with a folder of 38 documents with classification markings. The lawyer said Trump made a “plucking motion” that implied, “why don’t you take them with you to your hotel room and if there’s anything really bad in there, like, you know, pluck it out.”

Trump was recorded sharing secrets. The indictment says Trump was recorded at his golf club in Bedminster, N.J., showing off secret U.S. battle plans to a writer. Trump described the material as “highly confidential” and “secret,” while admitting it had not been declassified.

Trump showed a secret map to a staff member. In August or September 2021, Trump shared a top secret military map with a staff member at his political action committee who did not have a security clearance; he warned the person not to “get too close.”

One of Trump’s lawyers is a key witness. Some of the most potentially damning evidence against the former president came from notes made by one of his lawyers, M. Evan Corcoran. The lawyer’s notes essentially gave prosecutors a road map to building their case.

Would his campaign be restricted?

To offer an obvious understatement, it would be logistically difficult to run for president from prison. No major-party candidate has ever done it. Mr. Debs ran for the Socialist Party in 1920 and received about 3 percent of the vote.

But Mr. Trump’s campaign staff could handle fund-raising and other campaign activities in his absence, and it is very unlikely that Mr. Trump could be disqualified from appearing on ballots.

The Republican and Democratic Parties have guaranteed spots on general-election ballots in every state, and the parties tell election officials whose name to put in their spot. States could, in theory, try to keep Mr. Trump off the ballot by passing legislation requiring a clean criminal record, but this would be on legally shaky ground.

“We let states set the time, place and manner” of elections, said Jessica Levinson, a professor at Loyola Law School who specializes in election law, “but I think the best reading of our Constitution is you don’t let the state add new substantive requirements.”

While that view is not universal among legal experts, it won in court in 2019, when California tried to require candidates to release their tax returns in order to appear on primary ballots. A federal district judge blocked the rule, saying it was most likely unconstitutional. The California Supreme Court also unanimously blocked it as a violation of the state constitution, and the case never reached the U.S. Supreme Court.

Could he vote?
Probably not.

Mr. Trump is registered to vote in Florida, and he would be disenfranchised there if convicted of a felony.

Most felons in Florida regain voting rights after completing their full sentence, including parole or probation, and paying all fines and fees. But it is highly unlikely that Mr. Trump, if convicted, would have time to complete his sentence before Election Day.

Since Mr. Trump also has a residence in New York, he could switch his voter registration there to take advantage of its more permissive approach: Felons in New York can vote while on parole or probation. But, as in Florida and almost every other state, they are still disenfranchised while in prison.

So if Mr. Trump is imprisoned, he will be in the extraordinary position of being deemed fit to be voted for, but unfit to vote.

What happens if he is elected from prison?
No one knows.

“We’re so far removed from anything that’s ever happened,” said Erwin Chemerinsky, a constitutional law expert at the University of California, Berkeley. “It’s just guessing.”

Legally, Mr. Trump would remain eligible to be president even if he were imprisoned. The Constitution says nothing to the contrary. “I don’t think that the framers ever thought we were going to be in this situation,” Professor Levinson said.

In practice, the election of an incarcerated president would create a legal crisis that would almost certainly need to be resolved by the courts.

In theory, Mr. Trump could be stripped of his authority under the 25th Amendment, which provides a process to transfer authority to the vice president if the president is “unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office.” But that would require the vice president and a majority of the cabinet to declare Mr. Trump unable to fulfill his duties, a remote prospect given that these would be loyalists appointed by Mr. Trump himself.

More likely, Mr. Trump could sue to be released on the basis that his imprisonment was preventing him from fulfilling his constitutional obligations as president. Such a case would probably focus on the separation of powers, with Mr. Trump’s lawyers arguing that keeping a duly elected president in prison would be an infringement by the judicial branch on the operations of the executive branch.

He could also try to pardon himself — or to commute his sentence, leaving his conviction in place but ending his imprisonment. Either action would be an extraordinary assertion of presidential power, and the Supreme Court would be the final arbiter of whether a “self pardon” was constitutional.

Or President Biden, on his way out the door, could pardon Mr. Trump on the basis that “the people have spoken and I need to pardon him so he can govern,” Professor Chemerinsky said.

What if he’s elected with a case still in progress?
Again, no one knows. But a likely outcome would be that a Trump-appointed attorney general would withdraw the charges and end the case.

The Justice Department does not indict sitting presidents, a policy outlined in a 1973 memo, during the Nixon era. It has never had reason to develop a policy on what to do with an incoming president who has already been indicted. But the rationale for not indicting sitting presidents — that it would interfere with their ability to perform their duties — applies just as well in this hypothetical scenario.

“The reasons why we wouldn’t want to indict a sitting president are the reasons we wouldn’t want to prosecute a sitting president,” said Professor Chemerinsky, who has disagreed with the department’s reasoning. “My guess is, if the Trump prosecution were still ongoing in some way and Trump were elected, the Justice Department — which would be the Trump Justice Department — would say, ‘We’re following the 1973 memo.’”

Like so much else here, this would be legally untested, and it is impossible to say what the Supreme Court would do if the question reached it.

In its Clinton v. Jones ruling in 1997, the court allowed a lawsuit against President Bill Clinton to proceed. But that case was civil, not criminal, and it was filed by a private citizen, not by the government itself.

RayR Offline
#196 Posted:
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8trackdisco wrote:
Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause


So, you SURRENDER too? OK I'll accept, you never did have much ammo.
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#197 Posted:
Joined: 02-26-2004
Posts: 79,789
HockeyDad wrote:
I didn’t want to have to deal with returning it fully charged or however it works. Plus the farting sounds.

For quite some time BlackBerry was the only product that could meet corporate security requirements. As soon as other manufacturers caught up they became beer coasters. I’ve had two Blackberries. Hated them.


I passed a few Teslas on my trip so far. I had driven 320 miles on a tank of gas and still had 300 miles left before I had to fill up. So I'd traveled further than they can go and could do it again on one tank of gas.

5.7L V8 and a 33 gallon tank o gas. BigGrin

Ohhh, ooooohhhh... more power! - Tim the tool man Taylor
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#198 Posted:
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Posts: 55,440
Brewha wrote:
So, with the Right immediately selling “witch hunt” theory again, I was thinking of the general sales tactic:

According to the right, you cannot trust anyone or information from anyone other than themselves.
Just keeping score here, according to them you cannot trust:

FBI

http://www.cigarbid.com/...me-Honorable-Institution

DOJ

https://scalise.house.gov/press-releases/Scalise-Pledges-Investigations-into-DOJ%27s-Double-Standard-in-Handling-of-Biden%27s-Classified-Documents

CDC

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/20/health/covid-cdc-data.html


NOAA

https://therightscoop.com/greta-thunberg-has-egg-on-her-face-after-predicting-all-humanity-would-be-wiped-by-climate-change-by-today/

NASA

https://www.space.com/x-37b-military-space-plane-surprising-facts

Grand Juries


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/14/us/politics/durham-inquiry-trump-russia.html


CIA

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/374372-ex-cia-director-us-meddles-in-foreign-elections-for-a-good/

Congress & Senate

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/06/06/public-trust-in-government-1958-2022/

Police

https://news.gallup.com/poll/196610/americans-respect-police-surges.aspx

And anyone with evidence of GOP wrongdoings.

Doesn't deserve a reply, because anyone can commit wrongdoings.

But you can, neh have to trust Honest Donald J Trump. Because he alone speaks the truth and is the only one who can save America.


Show us on the doll where Orangeman Bad harmed you?


According to you...eh?
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#199 Posted:
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Gorsuch’s former law clerk throws ice cold water all over DOJ’s case against Trump…


President Trump faces an indictment of 37 counts under the “Espionage Act” for the alleged classified documents scandal. This action by the Biden administration is morally reprehensible and unjust, not only towards President Trump but also towards the American people. Here we have an unpopular and unscrupulous politician, who struggles to gain support for his re-election within his own party, attempting to imprison his popular and beloved opponent for the 2024 election. It’s a blatant display of election interference and sends a disheartening message to the American people that their votes truly don’t matter. If it’s not sketchy mail-in ballots canceling their votes, it’s our politicians. The charges against Trump are very serious, and even a conviction on a single count could result in a life sentence. This is not a joke — the regime is trying to completely eliminate President Trump. We are currently engaged in a moral and spiritual battle with forces that are demonic. However, amidst all this darkness, there is a ray of hope emerging from an individual with a great deal of legal expertise. According to Mike Davis, the former law clerk for Neil Gorsuch, the language within the Presidential Records Act could potentially serve as Trump’s salvation.

Here’s what Mike had to say in his tweet:

The angry responses from the “nonpartisan” (Democrat or Trump-deranged) “national-security experts” (hacks) is comical.

The hacks desperately want to throw Trump in prison for the rest of his life.

Because they hate him.

And fear he will win back the White House in November 2024.

The hacks are intentionally ignoring the plain language of the Presidential Records Act.

Regardless of whether a President considers his records “personal” (which he owns; see Clinton sock drawer case) or “presidential records” (which the government owns), the President can have his presidential records.

“[T]he Presidential records of a former President shall be available to such former President or the former President’s designated representative.” 44 U.S.C. § 2205(3).

That statute trumps any press release from librarians or other bureaucrats–or any tweet from the hacks.

It doesn’t matter whether his presidential records are national-defense information or marked classified.

That is why Congress funds the Office of the Former President, with secure office space, staff with clearances, and Secret Services protection.

Former presidents don’t get to access any classified or national-defense information they want.

But they have an absolute statutory right to access their presidential records, even if the government owns them.

And former presidents can share their presidential records with their designated representatives.

The hacks pretend to believe a former President of the United States (somehow) commits “espionage”–and should die in prison–for simply retaining copies of his personal or presidential records.

And fighting with librarians and other bureaucrats over them. (Gasp, “obstruction.”)

Even if they are declassified.

Even if there is zero evidence the former President used them to harm America.


This is an absurd legal argument.

Presidents and Former Presidents are treated differently than everyone else as it relates to their presidential records (regardless of ownership).

The hacks are ignoring the Presidential Records Act, which doesn’t even have a criminal component.

And peddling an unconstitutional reading of the Espionage Act.

The remedy is negotiations and civil lawsuits, not raids and indictments.

But Jack Smith is used to getting reversed by the Supreme Court, with his absurd legal arguments.

Indeed, he managed the nearly impossible:

Getting a unanimous Supreme Court to reverse his (bogus) conviction of Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell and likely 2016 Republican presidential candidate.

But the damage was already done. Jack Smith took out a Republican presidential candidate in 2016. Mission accomplished, Jack.

Biden and Garland have Jack Smith on his new mission in 2024: take out Trump.

The hacks, of course, have been eerily quiet about President Biden’s 5 sets of stolen classified records as the vice president and even senator, unguarded for years, moved several times, accessible by a foreign national, and potentially used to secure millions in foreign bribes and corruption.

Biden and Garland sent a raid after Trump.

They secretly colluded for 2 months on Biden’s stolen classified records.

When they got caught and Garland appointed a Special Counsel, the FBI found Biden’s 5th set of stolen classified records. What did Biden and his attorneys misrepresent about their 4 prior searches? How did this miss this 5th set? How is this not obstruction of justice, like Garland and Smith are charging Trump?

If the hacks cared about “national security,” evidence that a sitting President is compromised by espionage, foreign bribery, and other foreign corruption would be a 5-alarm fire.

But, of course, they are hacks.

They know this is all about Trump’s declassified (and damning) Crossfire Hurricane records.

And deflection from evidence the FBI covered up then VP-Biden and his son Hunter taking a $10 million foreign bribe and change U.S. policy.

Why are they so scared to let the American people decide in November 2024 whether they trust Trump or Biden more with our national security?

The angry responses from the “nonpartisan” (Democrat or Trump-deranged) “national-security experts” (hacks) is comical.

The hacks desperately want to throw Trump in prison for the rest of his life.

Because they hate him.

And fear he will win back the White House in November…

— 🇺🇸 Mike Davis 🇺🇸 (@mrddmia) June 13, 2023


Mike is spot on. The regime is absolutely terrified of a man they confidently assert they can defeat without breaking a sweat. They’ve been relentlessly scheming to prevent Trump’s return ever since the laughable 2020 election concluded. How can we forget Biden’s vow to personally halt Trump from reclaiming the presidency? It’s not Biden’s role; it’s the American people who decide who becomes president, not Joe Biden.

“ I’m making sure [Trump], under legitimate efforts of our Constitution, does not become the next President again."pic.twitter.com/Q6iiseKuKC

— Matt Margolis (@mattmargolis) June 13, 2023


Meanwhile, President Trump, the man of the people, went to a Cuban cafe after he plead not guilty on all 37 counts, and while he was there, he bought everybody lunch. The crowd prayed for him and sang “Happy Birthday” to him as well.

People love this man. No denying it! pic.twitter.com/6zlzE7sY0Q

— Cernovich (@Cernovich) June 13, 2023

https://www.revolver.news/2023/06/gorsuchs-former-law-clerk-throws-ice-cold-water-all-over-dojs-case-against-trump/



Like I stated earlier in this article...just wait until they REALLY understand what the Espionage Act is.

Then again, Jack Smith is USED to having decisions overturned unanimously. The DNC needs to understand that their gangstalking only backfires on them. Schumer and Reid both found that out. America will now too.
RayR Offline
#200 Posted:
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I keep sayin' that the Jacobin hacks don't care about what those words on those living documents really mean.
They only want blood and the chopped off heads of their opponents.
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