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Yup... they're afraid of him.

Abrinac I neither like Cheeto, nor trust what’s being done to prosecute him….too much fruit from the poison tree. Until there’s massive reforms this country cannot move forward without something bad happening.

I couldn’t agree more. But, simply because he’s the leading opposition candidate shouldn’t render evidence moot. That said, he deserves his day in court. This case is being tried in the court of public opinion with talking heads on each side going full throttle trying to obfuscate the facts. Let a jury of his peers determine if the government engaged in nefarious activities or if he in fact committed the crimes he’s accused of. If he is guilty then he is UNFIT to hold the office.

Let’s hear the recordings. Let’s see the video tapes and the pictures. That’s the only thing that will cut through the subterfuge. Nothing sends the cockroaches scurrying more than the bright sunlight

As far as moving forward without something bad happening. Not really sure what you mean so I don’t really have an opinion on that.

President Trump Responds to Tucker Carlson’s Barnburner Twitter Episode “Wannabe Dictator” (VIDEO)

By Jim Hoft Jun. 16, 2023 10:25 am

So I’ve been doing a little more research into this.

Trump claims the documents belong to him and as such he can do with them what he pleases. This is patently false.

U.S. Code Title 44 CHAPTER 22 § 2202
44 U.S. Code § 2202 - Ownership of Presidential records
The United States shall reserve and retain complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records; and such records shall be administered in accordance with the provisions of this chapter.

44 U.S. Code § 2203 - Management and custody of Presidential records

(a) Through the implementation of records management controls and other necessary actions, the President shall take all such steps as may be necessary to assure that the activities, deliberations, decisions, and policies that reflect the performance of the President’s constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties are adequately documented and that such records are preserved and maintained as Presidential records pursuant to the requirements of this section and other provisions of law.
(b) Documentary materials produced or received by the President, the President’s staff, or units or individuals in the Executive Office of the President the function of which is to advise or assist the President, shall, to the extent practicable, be categorized as Presidential records or personal records upon their creation or receipt and be filed separately.
(c) During the President’s term of office, the President may dispose of those Presidential records of such President that no longer have administrative, historical, informational, or evidentiary value if—
(1) the President obtains the views, in writing, of the Archivist concerning the proposed disposal of such Presidential records; and
(2) the Archivist states that the Archivist does not intend to take any action under subsection (e) of this section.
(d) In the event the Archivist notifies the President under subsection (c) that the Archivist does intend to take action under subsection (e), the President may dispose of such Presidential records if copies of the disposal schedule are submitted to the appropriate Congressional Committees at least 60 calendar days of continuous session of Congress in advance of the proposed disposal date. For the purpose of this section, continuity of session is broken only by an adjournment of Congress sine die, and the days on which either House is not in session because of an adjournment of more than three days to a day certain are excluded in the computation of the days in which Congress is in continuous session.
(e) The Archivist shall request the advice of the Committee on Rules and Administration and the Committee on Governmental Affairs of the Senate and the Committee on House Oversight and the Committee on Government Operations of the House of Representatives with respect to any proposed disposal of Presidential records whenever the Archivist considers that—
(1) these particular records may be of special interest to the Congress; or
(2) consultation with the Congress regarding the disposal of these particular records is in the public interest.
(f) During a President’s term of office, the Archivist may maintain and preserve Presidential records on behalf of the President, including records in digital or electronic form. The President shall remain exclusively responsible for custody, control, and access to such Presidential records. The Archivist may not disclose any such records, except under direction of the President, until the conclusion of a President’s term of office, if a President serves consecutive terms upon the conclusion of the last term, or such other period provided for under section 2204 of this title.
(g)
(1) Upon the conclusion of a President’s term of office, or if a President serves consecutive in terms upon the conclusion of the last term, the Archivist of the United States shall assume responsibility for the custody, control, and preservation of, and access to, the Presidential records of that President. The Archivist shall have an affirmative duty to make such records available to the public as rapidly and completely as possible consistent with the provisions of this chapter.
(2) The Archivist shall deposit all such Presidential records in a Presidential archival depository or another archival facility operated by the United States. The Archivist is authorized to designate, after consultation with the former President, a director at each depository or facility, who shall be responsible for the care and preservation of such records.
(3) When the President considers it practicable and in the public interest, the President shall include in the President’s budget transmitted to Congress, for each fiscal year in which the term of office of the President will expire, such funds as may be necessary for carrying out the authorities of this subsection.
(4) The Archivist is authorized to dispose of such Presidential records which the Archivist has appraised and determined to have insufficient administrative, historical, informational, or evidentiary value to warrant their continued preservation. Notice of such disposal shall be published in the Federal Register at least 60 days in advance of the proposed disposal date. Publication of such notice shall constitute a final agency action for purposes of review under chapter 7 of title 5, United States Code.


According to the law. Trump neither owns any of the documents, nor is he authorized to retain possession of them.

The Presidential Records Act of which parts are posted above was codified into law in 1978. Since then, according to National Archives and Records Administration (NARA), the official records from the administrations of every former former President and Vice-President have been turned over to that agency upon those individuals leaving office.

Trump on the other hand has stated many times that what was to be turned over was to be negotiated. As noted above the law is very clear. It states personal and public records must be separated before the completion of a President’s term so that public records may be turned over to NARA upon the President leaving office. There is absolutely no provision for anything to be negotiated after the fact.

Trump makes reference to 1850 boxes of Biden’s Senate records. As a whole, those pertain to Biden’s Senate career and as such aren’t subject to the Presidential Records Act.

Trump claims he had a blanket order to declassify everything. Yet, there is no written order that he every did so.

Hi Anth...

soon you will realize you can't have a discussion based on reality with one who picks what they want to be points of law.

Yeah timing sure has been interesting….

Ya, they think those words on paper actually mean something. They just don't understand the Jacobin mind of the LEFTIES.
Those words are only to be used if they might work against their adversaries. Other than that..they just ignore them.
Do you think Bill Clinton still has some presidential records in his sock drawer? Probably.

I liked the way he said "Vagina" better when describing that psycho's dog!

Meanwhile back at the ranch...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-administration-spent-36m-on-records-lawsuits-last-year/

vague
adjective
ˈvāg
vaguer; vaguest
Synonyms of vague
1a: not clearly expressed : stated in indefinite terms vague accusations
b: not having a precise meaning a vague term of abuse
2a: not clearly defined, grasped, or understood : INDISTINCT only a vague notion of what's needed
also : SLIGHT a vague hint of a thickening waistline hasn't the vaguest idea
b: not clearly felt or sensed : somewhat subconscious a vague longing
3: not thinking or expressing one's thoughts clearly or precisely vague about dates and places
4: lacking expression : VACANT vague eyes
a vague stare 5: not sharply outlined : HAZY met by vague figures with shaded torchlights


arbitrary
adjective
ar·​bi·​trary ˈär-bə-ˌtrer-ē -ˌtre-rē

1a: existing or coming about seemingly at random or by chance or as a capricious and unreasonable act of will
an arbitrary choice
When a task is not seen in a meaningful context it is experienced as being arbitrary.
—Nehemiah Jordan
b: based on or determined by individual preference or convenience rather than by necessity or the intrinsic nature of something an arbitrary standard take any arbitrary positive number
2a: not restrained or limited in the exercise of power : ruling by absolute authority an arbitrary government
b: marked by or resulting from the unrestrained and often tyrannical exercise of power
protection from arbitrary arrest and detention
3 law : depending on individual discretion (as of a judge) and not fixed by law The manner of punishment is arbitrary.

44 U.S. Code § 2202 - Ownership of Presidential records
The United States shall reserve and retain complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records; and such records shall be administered in accordance with the provisions of this chapter.

Please explain how 44 USC 2202 is either vague or arbitrary

THANK YOU, Mr. Dictionary.
You really need to learn to read according to LEGAL WEASEL and LIVING DOCUMENTS standards.
Then you might even learn to understand why what The U.S. Constitution says about ENUMERATED POWERS and RIGHTS is not what the framers originally intended them to mean but are now open to interpretation by the regime in power and its apparatchiks for purely factional political purposes.

You could even start with what "The United States" means.

There you go again with your insults.

It said right there you quoted in the article that the Obama administration spent $36.2 million in stolen loot for you know ... hiding stuff, they didn't want anybody to see.



This was Mr. Government Transparency. Don't you remember?



BIGLY O'BUMMER TRANSPARENCY FAIL!

Again, what does this have to do with Trump? Are you saying that since Obama is bad Trump gets a pass? Do you know what non-sequitur means? Perhaps you should look up it's meaning in a dictionary....

Insults? You're offended? Don't you usually insult someone when you make a post?

You really don't get it do you? It doesn't matter what those words on paper say, they will be interpreted and weaponized to use against political opponents to aggregate their power. Lefty Democrats are the best at it because as Jacobins they don't care about anything other than power, and with power comes the power to plunder.

You Frank, are always welcome!

Robert, I speak the unspeakable truth to what progressive politics is all about.

Let that sink in for a moment.....

Thanks Frank.

Had hopes for the better angels of his nature would appreciate my response.

Took the TR clean air, water, and land preservation as everything a True Conservative is.

Blew the rest of the points off.

98.2% of the time, I enjoy listening to a person with a differing view. He’s still the one trick pony he was 90 days ago when I blocked his blowhard posts. Obviously a man who never built anything or anybody up. Seeing what he doesn’t bring to the table makes me see why some people are pro abortion.

Back to the muting him and engaging in discussions with people I value.

You make a bold assumption in that he was messed up. I’m not so sure he “was” messed up. I don’t think he was ever capable.

I'm sorry I insulted your progressive hero TR. I'm sorry if I can't build up upon your cartoonish knowledge of TR.
I've never heard "true conservative" defined as one who conserves the air, the water and the land. That's a new one to me.
We probably should put all property in the hands of politicians and bureaucrats and give the Imperial President total dicktatorial powers like Teddy greatly expanded; you know he wrote 10 times more Executive Orders than any previous POTUS, don't ya?

Teddy fanboy Timothy Egan, author of The Big Burn: Teddy Roosevelt and the Fire that Saved America, inadvertently exposed the true dicktatorial nature of Bully Boy Teddy in an interview on NPR when he said this...



"I do so declare it", now that's a True Conservative for ya, eh?

Let's face facts here, you like so many others aren't interested in engaging in discussion, you aren't interested in knowing anything beyond those cartoonish images in your head of government and your heroes. You don't present a case defending your claims or debunking any of the facts I provide because you can't. It's must easier for you to blow it all off, ain't it?
I await a real debater to emerge, you or Spey or Frank or anybody? I fear it's going to be a long wait.

I'll leave you here with something to make you grimmest, ignore, block out of your mind, or whatever you choose about your alleged true conservative hero. Mark Twain was not only a talented writer; he was a pretty astute observer of politicians and government. You probably hate him for all the mean things he said about Teddy.

Mark Twain Dismantles Teddy Roosevelt

By Michael Martin
March 24, 2023

Fair point Anthony.

I don’t hate other people’s ideas. But, I find it comical that a person such as yourself, who is completely incapable of articulating a position on your own and must rely on the work of others to get a point across come here and put down on others who disagree with you. If makes you look stupid because if you had the intelligence to do so you wouldn’t need to rely on others to make your case for you.