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teedubbya Offline
#101 Posted: Tue, Nov 15 2016, 2:24 PM EST
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I say we give him a break.

It puts the lotion in its skin.
Brewha Offline
#102 Posted: Tue, Nov 15 2016, 3:44 PM EST
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Now that all the typical republican whining and finger pointing is out of the way (if only!) I would ask; WHY should Obama, Clinton or Sanders say or do any more that they already have?

The new administration is all about not being politically correct. Who cares what damage it does. That's why the right loves The Trump!

This is the new world we the peeps voted in.

Oh, and don't assume that people have to be liberal or democrat to hate The Trump. There is a lot to hate there.





Maybe Don should get out there and punch 'em in the nose....
DrafterX Offline
#103 Posted: Tue, Nov 15 2016, 3:48 PM EST
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burning the flag and breaking windows is politically correct..?? oh damn.. I guess it under Obama it is... I forgot.. Mellow


Safe Place during the day.. burn chit at night... Mellow
opelmanta1900 Offline
#104 Posted: Tue, Nov 15 2016, 3:51 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Now that all the typical republican whining and finger pointing is out of the way (if only!) I would ask; WHY should Obama, Clinton or Sanders say or do any more that they already have?

The new administration is all about not being politically correct. Who cares what damage it does. That's why the right loves The Trump!

This is the new world we the peeps voted in.

Oh, and don't assume that people have to be liberal or democrat to hate The Trump. There is a lot to hate there.





Maybe Don should get out there and punch 'em in the nose....


Sad...
Brewha Offline
#105 Posted: Tue, Nov 15 2016, 4:04 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
burning the flag and breaking windows is politically correct..?? oh damn.. I guess it under Obama it is... I forgot.. Mellow


Safe Place during the day.. burn chit at night... Mellow

No silly - burning the United States flag is WAY politically INCORRECT! But don't we all really admire those that say and do what they feel - screw correctness - aren't we all tired of that status quo?
DrafterX Offline
#106 Posted: Tue, Nov 15 2016, 4:12 PM EST
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Most of us admire people who do the correct things... personally I'd prolly whoop somebody's azz if I saw them burn a flag... pretty sure I still have a right to do that... Mellow
Brewha Offline
#107 Posted: Tue, Nov 15 2016, 4:25 PM EST
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Burning a flag is a protected right under the first amendment.
Whooping someone's azz for doing it is a crime.

But I suppose it would be an example of the political incorrectness that the Right loves.

So - if it's kewl to kick azz, how about a little protesting?
DrafterX Offline
#108 Posted: Tue, Nov 15 2016, 4:28 PM EST
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I love my country... I don't need to protest... Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#109 Posted: Tue, Nov 15 2016, 4:29 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Burning a flag is a protected right under the first amendment.
Whooping someone's azz for doing it is a crime.



Thanks Obama.. !! Mad
tailgater Offline
#110 Posted: Tue, Nov 15 2016, 5:25 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:


So - if it's kewl to kick azz, how about a little protesting?


At the risk of making a generalization (gasp!), conservatives have shown to be keen on protesting when there is actually something to protest.
The recent spate of liberal "protests" appear to be for no clearly stated reason.


Brewha Offline
#111 Posted: Tue, Nov 15 2016, 7:32 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
At the risk of making a generalization (gasp!), conservatives have shown to be keen on protesting when there is actually something to protest.
The recent spate of liberal "protests" appear to be for no clearly stated reason.



In other words conservative protest democratic initiatives and laws - or rather get the Tea Party to do it for them.

The last things I remember them protesting was the Afordable Care Act and when Duck Dynasty got cancelled.

Not much of a showing......
opelmanta1900 Offline
#112 Posted: Tue, Nov 15 2016, 7:57 PM EST
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You dont consider a political outsider crushing your candidate in the election "much of a showing"?
Brewha Offline
#113 Posted: Tue, Nov 15 2016, 8:36 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
You dont consider a political outsider crushing your candidate in the election "much of a showing"?

You consider how the conservatives voted as protesting?

It does make sence. The low brows vote for unvarnished racism and shoot craps with all the social reform we have accomplished in the last 50 years - as a protest. I see your point. They don't like things so they elect PT Barnum as a monkey on a football.

So why does the Right have a hard on because some on the left burn a flag?
Seems mild enough to me....
opelmanta1900 Offline
#114 Posted: Tue, Nov 15 2016, 8:43 PM EST
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you said "The last things I remember them protesting was the Afordable Care Act...Not much of a showing"

first thing on the chopping block for the incoming pres? affordable care act... hence a pretty good showing at the protest...

republicans are smart enough to protest in a way that gets them what they want... dems are dumb enough to rig the nomination process and insist on running someone unelectable and end up not getting their way... u mad bro?
victor809 Offline
#115 Posted: Tue, Nov 15 2016, 8:48 PM EST
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Not to point out the obvious opel, and i consider hillary well and beaten, but given that she won the popular vote I'm not sure I'd call it a crushing...
opelmanta1900 Offline
#116 Posted: Tue, Nov 15 2016, 8:56 PM EST
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this is your argument: yes you beat me at chess, but I captured more of your pieces, sooooooooooo...

see the break down in your logic? looking at how many pieces you've captured as a measure of your success is like accepting a paticipation trophy and thinking yourself a winner...

look at the total electoral votes because that is the one and only thing that decides our president... hilldog was crushed...
Brewha Offline
#117 Posted: Tue, Nov 15 2016, 9:29 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
you said "The last things I remember them protesting was the Afordable Care Act...Not much of a showing"

first thing on the chopping block for the incoming pres? affordable care act... hence a pretty good showing at the protest...

republicans are smart enough to protest in a way that gets them what they want... dems are dumb enough to rig the nomination process and insist on running someone unelectable and end up not getting their way... u mad bro?

You forgot Duck Dynasty - a major educational source for many on the far right.

Now see there - you imply that voting in Trump was is some way "smart".
Right - you cling to that.
mikey1597 Offline
#118 Posted: Tue, Nov 15 2016, 9:31 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
You consider how the conservatives voted as protesting?

It does make sence. The low brows vote for unvarnished racism and shoot craps with all the social reform we have accomplished in the last 50 years - as a protest. I see your point. They don't like things so they elect PT Barnum as a monkey on a football.

So why does the Right have a hard on because some on the left burn a flag?
Seems mild enough to me....



It's not a flag, it"s MY GODDAMN FLAG!!
Brewha Offline
#119 Posted: Tue, Nov 15 2016, 9:35 PM EST
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mikey1597 wrote:
It's not a flag, it"s MY GODDAMN FLAG!!

And it is a great flag because it is a symbol of freedom.

Freedom of disention included.

And if you don't think Americans should have a right to burn it - then it is not your flag.
tailgater Offline
#120 Posted: Tue, Nov 15 2016, 9:37 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Not to point out the obvious opel, and i consider hillary well and beaten, but given that she won the popular vote I'm not sure I'd call it a crushing...


So she won.
Just not by a means that matters.
At all.


Like a football team that gets more yards than their opponent.
Only fails to score enough points to, you know, actually win the game.

You're right.
It's obvious.
But we won't hold it against you.
tailgater Offline
#121 Posted: Tue, Nov 15 2016, 9:40 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
You forgot Duck Dynasty - a major educational source for many on the far right.

Now see there - you imply that voting in Trump was is some way "smart".
Right - you cling to that.


Maybe not indicative of the general truth out there, but I guarantee that YOU know more about Duck Dynasty than I do.

And judging by your ability to use it as a litmus test, probably more than most of the conservatives you're trying to insult.

opelmanta1900 Offline
#122 Posted: Tue, Nov 15 2016, 9:42 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
You forgot Duck Dynasty - a major educational source for many on the far right.

Now see there - you imply that voting in Trump was is some way "smart".
Right - you cling to that.


so yes, you are mad... try and relax... maybe in four years you can find a different pantsuit sporting liar to throw all your hopes and dreams behind... you'll have to sweep up their shattered remains first of course, but you've got four years for that...
tailgater Offline
#123 Posted: Tue, Nov 15 2016, 9:42 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
And it is a great flag because it is a symbol of freedom.

Freedom of disention included.

And if you don't think Americans should have a right to burn it - then it is not your flag.


I think if you fought to defend that flag then you have a right to burn it.
Otherwise, ask someone who DID defend that flag for permission.
Brewha Offline
#124 Posted: Tue, Nov 15 2016, 9:50 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Maybe not indicative of the general truth out there, but I guarantee that YOU know more about Duck Dynasty than I do.

And judging by your ability to use it as a litmus test, probably more than most of the conservatives you're trying to insult.


Sorry dude. But in fairness you should look in on Duck Dynasty - you are missing out on your heritage.

- just kidding.


If conservative are insulted by the truth, that would be their issue, not mine. We can agree on that, yes?
tailgater Offline
#125 Posted: Tue, Nov 15 2016, 9:55 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Sorry dude. But in fairness you should look in on Duck Dynasty - you are missing out on your heritage.

- just kidding.


If conservative are insulted by the truth, that would be their issue, not mine. We can agree on that, yes?


A. Never a need to say just kidding. This is a cigar forum. Ball bustin is mandatory.
B. I didn't say that you insulted anyone. I said you were trying to. On that we can agree, no?

Herfing
Brewha Offline
#126 Posted: Tue, Nov 15 2016, 10:02 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
so yes, you are mad... try and relax... maybe in four years you can find a different pantsuit sporting liar to throw all your hopes and dreams behind... you'll have to sweep up their shattered remains first of course, but you've got four years for that...

Yeah, that's it - I'm ate up with lberal righteous indignation. My blinding rage causes me to be bereft of all reason. Hell, even you are staring to make sence......maybe the world is ending.





- or not.
Brewha Offline
#127 Posted: Tue, Nov 15 2016, 10:05 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
I think if you fought to defend that flag then you have a right to burn it.
Otherwise, ask someone who DID defend that flag for permission.

So you disagree with "freedom for all"?

How very, very unamerican.
frankj1 Offline
#128 Posted: Tue, Nov 15 2016, 10:17 PM EST
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the strongest tests of real freedom are the most unpopular.
Covfireman Offline
#129 Posted: Wed, Nov 16 2016, 2:03 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Now that all the typical republican whining and finger pointing is out of the way (if only!) I would ask; WHY should Obama, Clinton or Sanders say or do any more that they already have?





Clinton no reason she's irrelevant now .
Sanders has spoken about it but could do more . He has made several social media posts also .
Obama it his job . You do realize he's still the president? Instead he's flying around the country wasting money because he can't shape foreign policy. He could try to help the nation heal . He has the biggest pulpit for the next couple of month use it for some good . He won't he may incite some more riots . I guess that's being a good Chicago politician.


Why isn't he should be your question . Brick wall
tailgater Offline
#130 Posted: Wed, Nov 16 2016, 9:47 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
So you disagree with "freedom for all"?

How very, very unamerican.


Yes.
Because burning The Flag is what freedom is all about.

Asking permission from a person who has earned something through risk and effort is not unamerican. Expecting something for nothing, however, is certainly the elitist spoiled brat millennial mentality that America has become since 2008.
teedubbya Offline
#131 Posted: Wed, Nov 16 2016, 9:54 AM EST
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I'm one of the few people in my family who did not serve in the military but I'm pretty sure most of them don't believe they should have a different set of rights than anyone else or are the gatekeepers for what others can or can't do.

Just because you have a right doesn't mean you should exercise it though. Don't cry to me if you do something with a predictable outcome and that outcome happens. Burn a flag if you want but don't cry to me if people hate you or beat the tar out of you. I'll pay their bail. Years ago Rush advocated lowering the fine for beating a flag burner to $1. I'm good with that.
tailgater Offline
#132 Posted: Wed, Nov 16 2016, 10:02 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
the strongest tests of real freedom are the most unpopular.


The problem with flag burning is that it is almost always done to incite a frenzy.

It's the proverbial "yelling fire in a crowded theater".
teedubbya Offline
#133 Posted: Wed, Nov 16 2016, 10:12 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
The problem with flag burning is that it is almost always done to incite a frenzy.

It's the proverbial "yelling fire in a crowded theater".










Brace yourself. I agree to an extent... other than one insinuates everyone else is in danger while the other does not...

so it's a bit granny smith to golden delicious but similar to what I was saying.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#134 Posted: Wed, Nov 16 2016, 10:21 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Yeah, that's it - I'm ate up with lberal righteous indignation. My blinding rage causes me to be bereft of all reason. Hell, even you are staring to make sence......maybe the world is ending.





- or not.


ya, you don't seem mad at all...
teedubbya Offline
#135 Posted: Wed, Nov 16 2016, 10:40 AM EST
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HtvFJqCQt4&list=RD2HtvFJqCQt4
Brewha Offline
#136 Posted: Wed, Nov 16 2016, 11:42 AM EST
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Covfireman wrote:
Clinton no reason she's irrelevant now .
Sanders has spoken about it but could do more . He has made several social media posts also .
Obama it his job . You do realize he's still the president? Instead he's flying around the country wasting money because he can't shape foreign policy. He could try to help the nation heal . He has the biggest pulpit for the next couple of month use it for some good . He won't he may incite some more riots . I guess that's being a good Chicago politician.


Why isn't he should be your question . Brick wall

Obama has spoke his piece on this - and there is nothing he could do, nor word he could speak that would please his critics on the right. Just like the past 8 years.


But hey - this is Don's big chance to shine as a budding leader. Give a speech to bring the country together! Show real leadership and bring the country together.........

LOL - right, that will happen....
Brewha Offline
#137 Posted: Wed, Nov 16 2016, 11:44 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Yes.
Because burning The Flag is what freedom is all about.

Asking permission from a person who has earned something through risk and effort is not unamerican. Expecting something for nothing, however, is certainly the elitist spoiled brat millennial mentality that America has become since 2008.


You forgot to carp about them needing to pull their pants up - by cracky!
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#138 Posted: Wed, Nov 16 2016, 1:32 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
The problem with flag burning is that it is almost always done to incite a frenzy.

It's the proverbial "yelling fire in a crowded theater".








it is pretty upsetting, can't say with certainty what it is always caused by or surrounded with, but it is a real test for us.

"fire" in a theater is not a protected right, however.
teedubbya Offline
#139 Posted: Wed, Nov 16 2016, 1:33 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
it is pretty upsetting, can't say with certainty what it is always caused by or surrounded with, but it is a real test for us.

"fire" in a theater is not a protected right, however.




it is if someone actually lit a flag on fire in the theater
DrafterX Offline
#140 Posted: Wed, Nov 16 2016, 1:35 PM EST
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that would be gay... Mellow
Covfireman Offline
#141 Posted: Wed, Nov 16 2016, 1:52 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Obama has spoke his piece on this - and there is nothing he could do, nor word he could speak that would please his critics on the right. Just like the past 8 years.


But hey - this is Don's big chance to shine as a budding leader. Give a speech to bring the country together! Show real leadership and bring the country together.........

LOL - right, that will happen....



Nothing he could say ? He said his piece ? Yet his supporters are the ones still out there rioting . It ceases to be a protest once the participants start stealing and disrupting safety services . Obama could try to heal the racial divide he created . A cantidate like trump doesn't get elected in a vacuum. Do you think a trump cantidate would have stood a chance before Obama was in office . I'm not complaining about any of his policies but his lack of communication.
DrafterX Offline
#142 Posted: Wed, Nov 16 2016, 1:56 PM EST
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well, they normally don't allow the media on da golf course... Mellow
Brewha Offline
#143 Posted: Wed, Nov 16 2016, 2:18 PM EST
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Covfireman wrote:
Nothing he could say ? He said his piece ? Yet his supporters are the ones still out there rioting . It ceases to be a protest once the participants start stealing and disrupting safety services . Obama could try to heal the racial divide he created . A cantidate like trump doesn't get elected in a vacuum. Do you think a trump cantidate would have stood a chance before Obama was in office . I'm not complaining about any of his policies but his lack of communication.


They would have been no protests if Trump acted like respectable person. Which, I grant you, would be an act for him.

Whine about Obama all you want - this is Trumps doing. The right applauded the sh1t storm what he started it. And they should be elated now - they have more to cry about.

If I were Obama I would laugh out loud at the problems Trump caused and go golfing. Hell, at least he know what he is doing.
teedubbya Offline
#144 Posted: Wed, Nov 16 2016, 2:23 PM EST
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Covfireman wrote:
Nothing he could say ? He said his piece ? Yet his supporters are the ones still out there rioting . It ceases to be a protest once the participants start stealing and disrupting safety services . Obama could try to heal the racial divide he created . A cantidate like trump doesn't get elected in a vacuum. Do you think a trump cantidate would have stood a chance before Obama was in office . I'm not complaining about any of his policies but his lack of communication.



He wasn't running and apparently some of his "supporters" must have voted for trump
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#145 Posted: Wed, Nov 16 2016, 2:30 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
He wasn't running and apparently some of his "supporters" must have voted for trump

hey, remember that time obama told all black people in america that they owed it to him to vote for hillary? "he wasn't running" is bullsh*t and you know it...

as far as brewhas "if i was obama" comments, that's the epitome of the dissension in this country... you didn't get your way and so anything you do in protest is right because you're right and the other side is wrong and logic and reason be damned... you're mad and it's pathetic...
teedubbya Offline
#146 Posted: Wed, Nov 16 2016, 2:34 PM EST
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obamas been pretty gracious in this whole thing as dubbya was 8 years ago. meh.....

I hope we bring back earmarks and pork barrels
opelmanta1900 Offline
#147 Posted: Wed, Nov 16 2016, 2:40 PM EST
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mmmm, barrels of pork...
opelmanta1900 Offline
#148 Posted: Wed, Nov 16 2016, 2:41 PM EST
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are earmarks like painted on earings? I guess I'd be ok with other people doing it...
opelmanta1900 Offline
#149 Posted: Wed, Nov 16 2016, 2:43 PM EST
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I actually agree obama has been gracious... I just don't think it's time to say he's not responsible for/capable of squashing anything going on with the rioting... and trying to blame the other side, like I said, just pathetic...
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#150 Posted: Wed, Nov 16 2016, 2:44 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
hey, remember that time obama told all black people in america that they owed it to him to vote for hillary? "he wasn't running" is bullsh*t and you know it...

as far as brewhas "if i was obama" comments, that's the epitome of the dissension in this country... you didn't get your way and so anything you do in protest is right because you're right and the other side is wrong and logic and reason be damned... you're mad and it's pathetic...

Making that statement as a Trump supporter wins the gold medal in irony.

Seems you have missed the point entirely. Hell, I bet you never even played golf....
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