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MidnightToker( • )( • ) Offline
#1 Posted: Wed, May 8 2024, 2:59 PM EST
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This happened yesterday in a neighborhood near mine. Guy shoots his cousin and kills him at his or their home. Then he goes to a local church, points the gun at the pastor and pulls the trigger. Misfire. A parishioner tackles him before he can clear the misfire and then he's subdued by the pastor and several other congregants.

In all my years of shooting (probably 50K+ rounds) I've never had a failure to fire. The majority of those rounds were put through Glocks and quality firearms, I've never shot a Hi-point, and I don't know what the guy was using but it worked on the previous use moments before.

Police pulled the round and pointed out the hammer strike on the primer to the pastor.
dharbolt Offline
#2 Posted: Wed, May 8 2024, 3:03 PM EST
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Only ftf I've ever had was in an x39 ar15 when the platform was first introduced, light strikes on Russian steel cased ammo were not uncommon, but never with a tried and tested fire arm, and I have shot hipoints
JGRAZ Offline
#3 Posted: Wed, May 8 2024, 3:15 PM EST
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One time, Glock 17, but was a dead round, and happened during quals
KingoftheCove Offline
#4 Posted: Wed, May 8 2024, 3:20 PM EST
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Only with cheap .22lr, as many others have experienced I’m sure.
Never with centerfire or 12 guage.
clickbangdead Offline
#5 Posted: Wed, May 8 2024, 3:38 PM EST
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Have had some with older surplus, never newer manufacturered rounds.
Abrignac Offline
#6 Posted: Wed, May 8 2024, 4:05 PM EST
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dharbolt wrote:
Only ftf I've ever had was in an x39 ar15 when the platform was first introduced, light strikes on Russian steel cased ammo were not uncommon, but never with a tried and tested fire arm, and I have shot hipoints



Look at what the cat drug in. Where ya been?
jeebling Offline
#7 Posted: Wed, May 8 2024, 4:38 PM EST
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Never. I’ve not fired anywhere close to 50K rounds but I have fired thousands. I wonder what MACS experience w/this is?
ZRX1200 Online
#8 Posted: Wed, May 8 2024, 5:03 PM EST
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I’ve had this happen with a few different types of 22LR ammo, once with 9mm ammo (these were all ammo issues).

I’ve never had this happen (ammo problem) in an AR but I DID get a box of Winchester ammo where the primer was installed backwards.

I had this happen quite a bit breaking in an AR pistol chambered in 7.62x39 though this wasn’t what dharbolt was saying in my case. For me it was not having a brace. Once it had the SB3 installed it’s ran flawlessly and no I don’t run a power spring in the trigger. I’m running a Larue MBT2S.

I have also had squibs TWICE in revolvers. Factory loads.

And HiPoints are actually pretty reliable FYI.
MACS Offline
#9 Posted: Wed, May 8 2024, 5:13 PM EST
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I worked in the armory when I was a Master-at-Arms in the Navy. Then I went to small arms instructor school.

I've fired a lot of rounds through a lot of guns and I do not recall ever having an actual failure to fire. I've had some stovepipes or failure to fully eject, but never a failure to fire.
Stogie1020 Offline
#10 Posted: Wed, May 8 2024, 5:14 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
And HiPoints are actually pretty reliable FYI.


The issue with HiPoints are that the owners are usually 16 year old gang members who stuff the pistol in their sock or pocket to conceal them and they get all gummed up with lint and dirt and they never actually clean/lube the gun. After the first or second shot, the gun jams. Usually a feed or ejection issue, though, not an ammo issues.

Also, Lorcin.

Seemed to be the only brands of handguns I ever found the not so cool kids strapping.
Gene363 Offline
#11 Posted: Wed, May 8 2024, 6:03 PM EST
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MidnightToker( • )( • ) wrote:
This happened yesterday in a neighborhood near mine. Guy shoots his cousin and kills him at his or their home. Then he goes to a local church, points the gun at the pastor and pulls the trigger. Misfire. A parishioner tackles him before he can clear the misfire and then he's subdued by the pastor and several other congregants.

In all my years of shooting (probably 50K+ rounds) I've never had a failure to fire. The majority of those rounds were put through Glocks and quality firearms, I've never shot a Hi-point, and I don't know what the guy was using but it worked on the previous use moments before.

Police pulled the round and pointed out the hammer strike on the primer to the pastor.


Sounds like divine intervention.

I have seen one or two in the past, but didn't know how those particular rounds were stored. That said, at the range just yesterday, my wife ejected two good rimfire rounds on the ground. Since these are greased/waxed target rounds I am not inclined to put them back in a target barrel. The range has a "DUDS" box for disposal of loaded/dud rounds. In the box was what appeared to be an unfired .308 round with a large deep round dent in the primer. Again, I do not know the story of that round but even if it was missing powder chances are it would have pushed the bullet out of the case.

I have seen reloaded rounds that took more than one hammer/striker blow to fire. If the primer was not seated properly the first strike just pushes the primer home, the second will usually get it to go off. A weak spring can also cause ignition problems. Even a really dirty chamber too.

Primers are not as sensitive as you might think. I've pushed out live primers from a damaged case to re-use them. Also some firearms like an AR have floating firing pins that will lightly strike the primer enough to show. It happens when you drop the bolt on a full magazine. AR ammunition usually feature a slightly harder primer cup for that reason. SKS and French semiautomatic rifles have that "feature"

Note: Centerfire only, many failures to fire on rimfire rounds, even rotating the case to hit another spot on the rim didn't help in some.
ZRX1200 Online
#12 Posted: Wed, May 8 2024, 6:06 PM EST
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I had a piece of crap Bryco Jennings that looked exactly like those!

The other problem with HPs is the blowback slide being both as large and as heavy as a brick.
dharbolt Offline
#13 Posted: Wed, May 8 2024, 6:09 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
Look at what the cat drug in. Where ya been?


Hi Anthony! Ben a little busy with life and kids and things. Missed the banter, thought I'd come in and hang out again. How are things in your world?
Gene363 Offline
#14 Posted: Wed, May 8 2024, 6:10 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I’ve had this happen with a few different types of 22LR ammo, once with 9mm ammo (these were all ammo issues).

I’ve never had this happen (ammo problem) in an AR but I DID get a box of Winchester ammo where the primer was installed backwards.

I had this happen quite a bit breaking in an AR pistol chambered in 7.62x39 though this wasn’t what dharbolt was saying in my case. For me it was not having a brace. Once it had the SB3 installed it’s ran flawlessly and no I don’t run a power spring in the trigger. I’m running a Larue MBT2S.

I have also had squibs TWICE in revolvers. Factory loads.

And HiPoints are actually pretty reliable FYI.


I love the LaRue MBT. I put a different firing pin in my 7.62x39 ARs.

Quote:
SAME OVERALL LENGTH AS AR15 FIRING PIN, BUT PROTRUDES FROM BOLT SLIGHTLY MORE (~ 0.010") TO ENSURE IGNITION ON HARD PRIMERS OF IMPORTED AMMO
Abrignac Offline
#15 Posted: Wed, May 8 2024, 6:30 PM EST
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dharbolt wrote:
Hi Anthony! Ben a little busy with life and kids and things. Missed the banter, thought I'd come in and hang out again. How are things in your world?


Lots of changes since we last chewed the fat. Need to catch up for sure.
danmdevries Offline
#16 Posted: Wed, May 8 2024, 6:36 PM EST
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Wow. a Dylan sighting
HockeyDad Offline
#17 Posted: Wed, May 8 2024, 6:43 PM EST
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I had a FTF once. It was a WW 2 Japanese marines BILT action rifle. Gave it to my brother. Its firing pin was worn down and needed a new one custom machined.
RobertHively Offline
#18 Posted: Wed, May 8 2024, 7:48 PM EST
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Op

I've had FTF's with cheap .22 ammo and a few with really old centerfire surplus ammo, and one with a newer 30-06 rifle shooting with old ammo .
Mr. Jones Offline
#19 Posted: Wed, May 8 2024, 8:11 PM EST
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Yes,
In my SKS...
Chinese chrome plated inside barrel...
The "floating firing pin" as mentioned above was the culprit...
I would slam load it And the firing pin left big indentations on unfired rounds...it would also shoot two or three rounds off sometimes...

Took it to an awesome VIETNAM VETERAN GUNSMITH...HE FIELD STRIP THAT ENTIRE THING IN LIKE 30-40 SECONDS...
HE FILED DOWN THE FIRING PIN LIKE SEVERAL "ONE HUNDRETHS" WITH A SPECIAL MACHINIST TOOL...WORKS LIKE A CHARM NOW....x.9
Mr. Jones Offline
#20 Posted: Wed, May 8 2024, 8:13 PM EST
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Also on several. 22's on numerous occasions...
In different firearms.
Sunoverbeach Offline
#21 Posted: Wed, May 8 2024, 9:30 PM EST
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Had one out of several thousand rounds. I blame the round. My CZ loves me and wouldn't hurt me like that
frankj1 Offline
#22 Posted: Wed, May 8 2024, 10:03 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
I worked in the armory when I was a Master-at-Arms in the Navy. Then I went to small arms instructor school.

I've fired a lot of rounds through a lot of guns and I do not recall ever having an actual failure to fire. I've had some stovepipes or failure to fully eject, but never a failure to fire.

stovepipes, eh?
now I know what to call it.

Frankie Tripod
ZRX1200 Online
#23 Posted: Wed, May 8 2024, 10:41 PM EST
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Hehe…
Jakethesnake86 Offline
#24 Posted: Wed, May 8 2024, 10:54 PM EST
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I’ve seen a few. Used to shoot a lot. I’ve got 7-8 duds I’ve saved from that. Direct primer hits but no fire. It’s rare. The ammo that failed was cheapest I could buy. 9mm and 7.62. I didn’t include rimfire

However in this case it wasn’t the preachers time to go is what I believe
Mr. Jones Offline
#25 Posted: Thu, May 9 2024, 8:40 AM EST
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"Act of God"
& a HI-POINT
& a duece

NOT SURE WHICH ONE

AT LEAST HE DIDNT HOLD THE GUN SIDEWAYS
Gene363 Offline
#26 Posted: Thu, May 9 2024, 8:55 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
stovepipes, eh?
now I know what to call it.

Frankie Tripod


High caliber humor right there, magnum level. LOL
frankj1 Offline
#27 Posted: Thu, May 9 2024, 1:06 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
High caliber humor right there, magnum level. LOL

you made me groan...which is good.
Gene363 Offline
#28 Posted: Thu, May 9 2024, 2:29 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
you made me groan...which is good.


It was worth a shot. Beer
MACS Offline
#29 Posted: Thu, May 9 2024, 3:19 PM EST
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Mr. Jones wrote:
"Act of God"
& a HI-POINT
& a duece

NOT SURE WHICH ONE

AT LEAST HE DIDNT HOLD THE GUN SIDEWAYS


Actually helpful to remain on target if you're shooting one handed, with no support. Especially weak hand.

Example: my beretta ejects to the right. If I hold it in my left hand, unsupported by the right, the recoil would push my entire hand/arm off to the left. If I hold it sideways it merely turns my wrist to the left and doesn't take me far off target.

You're welcome.
MidnightToker( • )( • ) Offline
#30 Posted: Thu, May 9 2024, 8:36 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Actually helpful to remain on target if you're shooting one handed, with no support. Especially weak hand.

Unless you hold it sideways and push the gun forward as you fire each shot cause your "bussin nuggets on a mark azz trick"
Mr. Jones Offline
#31 Posted: Fri, May 10 2024, 8:30 AM EST
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Awesome ghetto speak !!!!
Mr. Jones Offline
#32 Posted: Fri, May 10 2024, 8:36 AM EST
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Wondering???

If the preacher?

Diddled him as a YUTE?

WAS BANGING HIS BABY MAMA?

WAS BANGING HIS REAL MAMA?

The preacher did something to warrent getting plugged,
We'll never here what that was....
That info doesn't fit the anti-gun lobby narrative/ agenda
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