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Abrignac Offline
#1 Posted: Tue, Apr 2 2024, 7:50 AM EST
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Now that California has mandated another $7 an hour raise the next step will be even fewer fast food jobs. Seems like when they started kicking around the last raise from $7.65 to $13 an hour many outlets invested heavily in kiosks and reduced workers and/or hours. Now that they’ve instituted another huge raise I suspect the fallout will be even worse for those meant to be helped than the last ill advised mandate.

At some point one would think the idiots in Sacramento would realize taking orders at McDonald’s isn’t a career position.
KingoftheCove Offline
#2 Posted: Tue, Apr 2 2024, 8:24 AM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
Now that California has mandated another $7 an hour raise the next step will be even fewer fast food jobs. Seems like when they started kicking around the last raise from $7.65 to $13 an hour many outlets invested heavily in kiosks and reduced workers and/or hours. Now that they’ve instituted another huge raise I suspect the fallout will be even worse for those meant to be helped than the last ill advised mandate.

At some point one would think the idiots in Sacramento would realize taking orders at McDonald’s isn’t a career position.

Well, the reality of it is that for a sizeable portion of the folks currently doing the job, it IS a career position.
This isn’t like yesteryear when McDonald’s predominately hired pimply faced high school kids who served up your fries and burger.
Lots of elderly folks, marginalized folks, semi retired folks, immigrants and so on work in the fast food industry.
For many of these folks, it’s one of the few options they have.
HockeyDad Offline
#3 Posted: Tue, Apr 2 2024, 8:53 AM EST
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They’re gonna need to learn to code.
RayR Offline
#4 Posted: Tue, Apr 2 2024, 9:10 AM EST
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So you are saying that a lot of people will lose their jobs and will have to find another?
But LEFTY Progressive theory is if you artificially raise hourly pay above market prices by government fiat, the proles will get richer. Confused
Brewha Offline
#5 Posted: Tue, Apr 2 2024, 10:20 AM EST
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Some would say that we don't want or need businesses that do not pay their full time people a living wage, as they wind up being of food stamps and so on.

Others will tell you that leveraging down labor costs is the only way to go, as nothing is so American as wage slavery.





But the concentration of wealth goes on unabated.
RayR Offline
#6 Posted: Tue, Apr 2 2024, 10:48 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Some would say that we don't want or need businesses that do not pay their full time people a living wage, as they wind up being of food stamps and so on.

Others will tell you that leveraging down labor costs is the only way to go, as nothing is so American as wage slavery.





But the concentration of wealth goes on unabated.


You lefties with your "living wage" and "wage slavery" shtick. You've got a lot of nerve since your progressive policies are most responsible for making people poorer.
MACS Offline
#7 Posted: Tue, Apr 2 2024, 10:48 AM EST
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My buddies in CA already sent me pictures of the new Kiosks in McDonalds. Nobody was taking orders.

Companies will automate or vacate. Mark my words. California politicians are bending Californians over.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#8 Posted: Tue, Apr 2 2024, 10:49 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
They’re gonna need to learn to code.


Say hello to our new cashiers...the McKiosk!
HockeyDad Offline
#9 Posted: Tue, Apr 2 2024, 11:03 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:


But the concentration of wealth goes on unabated.


I thought the Democrats fixed that!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#10 Posted: Tue, Apr 2 2024, 11:04 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
I thought the Democrats fixed that!


Wait...the wind just changed!
HockeyDad Offline
#11 Posted: Tue, Apr 2 2024, 11:05 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Say hello to our new cashiers...the McKiosk!


McDonald’s already has really nice kiosks. They’re ahead of the game. Last to
E I was in a McDonalds there was 1 cashier and 8 kiosks.
RayR Offline
#12 Posted: Tue, Apr 2 2024, 3:22 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
I thought the Democrats fixed that!


I heard they going to fix that concentration of wealth thing by making people "pay their fair share" so the Democrats can have a greater concentration of more wealth.
jeebling Offline
#13 Posted: Tue, Apr 2 2024, 3:43 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Some would say that we don't want or need businesses that do not pay their full time people a living wage, as they wind up being of food stamps and so on.

Others will tell you that leveraging down labor costs is the only way to go, as nothing is so American as wage slavery.





But the concentration of wealth goes on unabated.


The quickest and fairest way to fix this is through a free labor market. The government meddling never stops and it never helps. Also put tighter restrictions on entitlement programs. When businesses won’t pay labor enough to satisfy their needs then labor will follow the market where conditions satisfy them appropriately. Competition is good for labor and it also produces better, more efficient small and big businesses that benefit consumers. Let freedom reign.
ZRX1200 Offline
#14 Posted: Tue, Apr 2 2024, 4:56 PM EST
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With a manipulated stock market and monetary policy it’s all pretty moot.

But hey whatevs.
MACS Offline
#15 Posted: Tue, Apr 2 2024, 5:36 PM EST
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"California installing nearly 500 cameras to combat criminal activity" The camera network installation comes as the violent crime index in one city rose by 21 percent, robbery 38 percent, and vehicle theft by 44 percent.

And here's why...

"Newsom Pardons 37, Commutes Sentences for 14 Murderers and 4 Others"

California is a hot fuggin mess. NewSCUM ain't doing anyone any favors... well, except the criminals.
ZRX1200 Offline
#16 Posted: Tue, Apr 2 2024, 5:41 PM EST
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And his contributors like his Panera buddies.
RayR Offline
#17 Posted: Tue, Apr 2 2024, 6:48 PM EST
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jeebling wrote:
The quickest and fairest way to fix this is through a free labor market. The government meddling never stops and it never helps. Also put tighter restrictions on entitlement programs. When businesses won’t pay labor enough to satisfy their needs then labor will follow the market where conditions satisfy them appropriately. Competition is good for labor and it also produces better, more efficient small and big businesses that benefit consumers. Let freedom reign.


But Lefties say that if you leave wages to the free market, evil capitalist employers will only want to pay SLAVE WAGES.

I learned that from Brewha.
BuckyB93 Offline
#18 Posted: Tue, Apr 2 2024, 7:49 PM EST
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My they reap what they sow.
KingoftheCove Offline
#19 Posted: Tue, Apr 2 2024, 10:26 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Some would say that we don't want or need businesses that do not pay their full time people a living wage, as they wind up being of food stamps and so on.

Others will tell you that leveraging down labor costs is the only way to go, as nothing is so American as wage slavery.





But the concentration of wealth goes on unabated.

And, it has been that way, all over the planet, since the advent of money, and will remain that way………..forever.
And we as a species, will fight and kill each other……….forever.
ZRX1200 Offline
#20 Posted: Wed, Apr 3 2024, 1:08 AM EST
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^ someone is smaaaht…
MACS Offline
#21 Posted: Wed, Apr 3 2024, 7:23 AM EST
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And the great news for CA continues...

"More than 1,600 California Teachers to be Laid off; Massive Enrollment Decline in Public School"
8trackdisco Offline
#22 Posted: Wed, Apr 3 2024, 7:53 AM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
Now that California has mandated another $7 an hour raise the next step will be even fewer fast food jobs. Seems like when they started kicking around the last raise from $7.65 to $13 an hour many outlets invested heavily in kiosks and reduced workers and/or hours. Now that they’ve instituted another huge raise I suspect the fallout will be even worse for those meant to be helped than the last ill advised mandate.

At some point one would think the idiots in Sacramento would realize taking orders at McDonald’s isn’t a career position.



It is a great help to the health of Americans. If all fast food companies go this way, people will be injesting less of their crap.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#23 Posted: Wed, Apr 3 2024, 9:12 AM EST
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8trackdisco wrote:
It is a great help to the health of Americans. If all fast food companies go this way, people will be injesting less of their crap.



Bada ba ba baah....I'm lovin' it!

Haven't been in their doorways since flattening the curve. It was like the only place open with "food".
8trackdisco Offline
#24 Posted: Wed, Apr 3 2024, 9:29 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Bada ba ba baah....I'm lovin' it!



DMV gets credit for my first, internet related smile of the day.
RayR Offline
#25 Posted: Wed, Apr 3 2024, 10:05 AM EST
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I had some Arby's Fish Sammiches. They were good.
Hey 8trackdisco Tongue
HockeyDad Offline
#26 Posted: Wed, Apr 3 2024, 12:33 PM EST
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I fully support this mandated pay increase in California.
RayR Offline
#27 Posted: Wed, Apr 3 2024, 1:03 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
I fully support this mandated pay increase in California.


You harbor ill wishes for your former home, don't you? Anxious LOL
HockeyDad Offline
#28 Posted: Wed, Apr 3 2024, 1:41 PM EST
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RayR wrote:
You harbor ill wishes for your former home, don't you? Anxious LOL


Not at all. I’m fully supportive of all of California’s progression.
RayR Offline
#29 Posted: Wed, Apr 3 2024, 1:50 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Not at all. I’m fully supportive of all of California’s progression.


Understood. Everybody loves progressivism when you are not there to experience its progress. BigGrin
HockeyDad Offline
#30 Posted: Wed, Apr 3 2024, 3:15 PM EST
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RayR wrote:
Understood. Everybody loves progressivism when you are not there to experience its progress. BigGrin


I cashed out my chips and left the table. Now I can just fire up some Orville Redenbacher’s.
RayR Offline
#31 Posted: Thu, Apr 4 2024, 9:02 AM EST
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LEFTY economics has consequences.


Burger King, In-N-Out, and Others Raise Prices Significantly 2 Days After California’s $20 Minimum Wage Kicks In

by Samuel Short, The Western Journal Apr. 4, 2024 7:00 am

Quote:
Californians are getting a lesson in economics courtesy of the state’s new minimum wage law.

A new law, taking effect this past Monday, created a minimum wage for fast-food workers of $20 an hour.

The New York Post reported that many chains in the state have already increased their prices to deal with the new wage.

Which chains are affected by the new wage?

The Post reported, “The law applies to restaurants offering limited or no table service and which are part of a national chain with at least 60 establishments nationwide.”

The old minimum wage for these restaurants was $16 an hour per state law. With an increase of $4, the Post found several chains have increased menu items to offset that.

The Texas Double Whopper meal at Burger King went from $15.09 on March 29 to $16.89 by April 1. The Big Fish Meal went up from $7.49 to $11.49, with other items on the menu going up by 25 cents to $1.

In-N-Out Burger saw burgers go up 25 cents and soft drinks by a nickel. Hart House, owned by actor and comedian Kevin Hart, increased all milkshake prices regardless of size by a dollar, sandwiches by 50 cents, and large fries by $1.10 going from $4.49 to $5.99.

While Chick-fil-A, McDonald’s, and Wendy’s haven’t seen price increases, one would have to imagine they are on the way.

More...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/04/burger-king-n-others-raise-prices-significantly-2/
MACS Offline
#32 Posted: Thu, Apr 4 2024, 10:26 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
I cashed out my chips and left the table. Now I can just fire up some Orville Redenbacher’s.


Yessir... them chips gonna last a whole lot longer in our current locale. Fuh sho, fuh sho!
MaduroJorge Offline
#33 Posted: Fri, Apr 5 2024, 7:26 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
I fully support this mandated pay increase in California.


Enjoy your California mandated $8 Egg McMuffins.Shame on you
DrMaddVibe Offline
#34 Posted: Sat, Apr 6 2024, 6:33 AM EST
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MACS wrote:
Yessir... them chips gonna last a whole lot longer in our current locale. Fuh sho, fuh sho!



I'm so glad the both of you got out
rfenst Offline
#35 Posted: Sat, Apr 6 2024, 7:14 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
I'm so glad the both of you got out

Escape from Alcatraz?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#36 Posted: Sat, Apr 6 2024, 7:37 AM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Escape from Alcatraz?



Pretty much, but legally and with their families and wealth.
MACS Offline
#37 Posted: Sat, Apr 6 2024, 8:44 AM EST
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CA Community Colleges Have Handed Out $5 Million in Aid to Fake Students Since 2021

Bots enroll, apply for a Pell grant, collect it and disappear. Schemes have become so prevalent that colleges must provide monthly fraud reports.

California Agency Issues ‘Health Advisory’ on Tuberculosis

Officials in California warned that tuberculosis is on the rise across the state and issued a ‘health advisory.’

Gonz

Wonder what happens when you've allowed unfettered illegal immigrants?
MACS Offline
#38 Posted: Sat, Apr 6 2024, 1:08 PM EST
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Just got a text from my buddy in CA.

McDonald's drive thru is closed. Nobody taking orders. Only option is to go inside and use the kiosk.

Huh... looks like the $20 min wage is closer to $0 dollars and unemployed.
RayR Offline
#39 Posted: Sat, Apr 6 2024, 1:57 PM EST
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It's true that McDonald’s has become a luxury that fewer and fewer people can afford. A Triumph of Progressivism.

I saw that even before the $20.00 minimum wage dicktate, earlier in the year Micky D's restaurants in places like San Franciso were already charging over $7.00 for an Egg McMuffin. How high can it go now?

It's interesting that the Egg McMuffin was invented by a franchisee in Santa Barbara, the original price being 63 cents.
HockeyDad Offline
#40 Posted: Sat, Apr 6 2024, 3:31 PM EST
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This whole minimum wage crisis should be solvable with a tax increase.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#41 Posted: Sat, Apr 6 2024, 4:12 PM EST
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RayR wrote:
It's true that McDonald’s has become a luxury that fewer and fewer people can afford.



Its garbage food. Its just convenient. When the 2 McDoubles and a large coke pushed 9 bucks I swore I was done with them. That was years ago, and I haven't been back. It's just not that good.

The people thinking burger flippers and fry cooks should make 15 bucks an hour or more have lost sight that its an entry level job. It was never designed to sustain buying a car, a home and paying for college.
MACS Offline
#42 Posted: Sun, Apr 7 2024, 5:54 AM EST
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Can't remember the last time I had McDonald's. I do love their fries... but they're a heart attack in a cardboard cup.

Fast food + packaged food + processed food = obesity and diabetes epidemic.
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#43 Posted: Sun, Apr 7 2024, 10:46 AM EST
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I was never a McDonald's fan. If I do fast food it'll be Wendy's first and Burger King next but I don't think I've had burger joint fast food in years.
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#44 Posted: Sun, Apr 7 2024, 10:48 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
This whole minimum wage crisis should be solvable with a tax increase.

Bernie Sanders was working on it in his last campaign, raise the minimum wage and taxes to cover it, brilliant shell game.Herfing
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#45 Posted: Sun, Apr 7 2024, 10:50 AM EST
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MACS wrote:
Can't remember the last time I had McDonald's. I do love their fries... but they're a heart attack in a cardboard cup.

Fast food + packaged food + processed food = obesity and diabetes epidemic.

And out of an abundance of caution for our health concerns they’re now only giving you about 6 fries in that tiny cardboard French frie holder for your $6.99.
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#46 Posted: Sun, Apr 7 2024, 11:48 AM EST
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There is a local popular Mom & Pop chicken place in town that has been around for like 3 generations. Many years ago they use to have a chicken farm out back the small restaurant out front. The chicken farm is not there any longer but the chicken place is still running strong. Chicken of various versions like a whole chicken, chicken meals of selected white and/or dark meat, chicken tenders, chicken wings, burgers, fries, cheese sticks, fried pickles and stuff like that.

Other than the owner and his family and the cooks, it's mostly high school or college kids running the front. The place gives back to the community by donating food to the local food pantries, sponsoring little league sports teams and stuff. They pay above state minimum wage (I think MA minimum wage is around $16/hr) to support the kids but if they were mandated to pay $20/hr they would probably pack it in and call it a day. The community would probably lose the donations that they offer and jobs for the kids. That's a negative.

Minimum wage is not meant to be a livable wage to support an entire family with bills, insurance, food, housing etc.. If you expect taking orders at a fast food joint, being a cashier at a grocery store, handing out doughnuts and coffee in the drive up window and so on... if you expect that income to support a household then you need to reevaluate your expectations. It's a starting wage and use it and the other opportunities available to start your way to get you going so you can move on to get further skills or education to achieve a true living wage.
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#47 Posted: Sun, Apr 7 2024, 12:41 PM EST
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BuckyB93 wrote:

Minimum wage is not meant to be a livable wage to support an entire family with bills, insurance, food, housing etc.. If you expect taking orders at a fast food joint, being a cashier at a grocery store, handing out doughnuts and coffee in the drive up window and so on... if you expect that income to support a household then you need to reevaluate your expectations. It's a starting wage and use it and the other opportunities available to start your way to get you going so you can move on to get further skills or education to achieve a true living wage.

Kind of like welfare, it should be a temporary solution to get somebody on their feet, not a permanent position. Make welfare workfare and see how many want free money for providing nothing.
Mr. Jones Offline
#48 Posted: Sun, Apr 7 2024, 12:49 PM EST
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I never made more than $11.75 in my entire life....legally

And I worked like a DOG FOR 40+ YEars, much harder than some fast food slacker leaning on a counter playing games on THEIR Cell phone when THEY wERE ignoring customers and making goldbricking
An ARTFORM....
HockeyDad Offline
#49 Posted: Sun, Apr 7 2024, 3:15 PM EST
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JGKAMIN wrote:
Bernie Sanders was working on it in his last campaign, raise the minimum wage and taxes to cover it, brilliant shell game.Herfing


Every problem in California can be solved by a tax increase. Been that way for years.
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#50 Posted: Mon, Apr 8 2024, 8:40 AM EST
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I heard California will lead the way to Civil War by splitting in two by secession. Free California will join with Texas with help from Florida. The Union will invade the rebel alliance and start slaughtering.. More states will then join the insurrection.

I saw the movie trailer.

https://youtu.be/cA4wVhs3HC0?si=b2j2umZEVOaCnzjf
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