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KingoftheCove Offline
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Such a bummer seeing Trevor Lawrence go down tonight……hopefully its not season ending, but it looked bad.

Nine teams over .500 in the AFC currently.
Only 4 in the NFC.
Weird season so far.
Palama Offline
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KingoftheCove wrote:
Such a bummer seeing Trevor Lawrence go down tonight……hopefully its not season ending, but it looked bad.

Nine teams over .500 in the AFC currently.
Only 4 in the NFC.
Weird season so far.


I wasn’t good in math but I counted only 8 teams with winning records in the AFC. Think
Jakethesnake86 Offline
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MACS Offline
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Initial reports are sprained ankle. Still... how you let the Bengals with a backup QB beat you on MNF?

C'mon, man.
Sunoverbeach Offline
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Go Bears..... any year now
KingoftheCove Offline
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Palama wrote:
I wasn’t good in math but I counted only 8 teams with winning records in the AFC. Think

d'oh!
Guess I’m not so good wif numbas either…
HockeyDad Offline
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As a result of Trevor Lawrence‘s injury the Jacksonville Jaguars have been relegated to the English Premier League.
MidnightToker( • )( • ) Offline
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Some weird calls and weird no calls.
ZRX1200 Offline
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Yeah that no PI call on Green Bay was….interesting
BuckyB93 Offline
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Even though I'm a Packer fan there were some bad calls at the end of the game that could have changed the outcome.

1) The personal foul call around the 1 minute mark for the hit on Mahomes near the sideline as he was trying to run for the first down was a bad call. It was a clean hit while he was still in bounds. The Chiefs benefited from a bad call.

2) The non-call for pass interference on Valdes-Scantling’s with like 50 seconds left in the game was a bad non-call. That was an obvious PI. The Packers benefited from a non-call.

3) The non-call on the maybe or maybe not pass interference on Kelce in the Hail Mary (last play of the game) could have gone either way but I would still side with a non-call as being the right call. It was a slight shove within a pool of people trying to catch or knock down the ball. Letter of the law (rules) and if it wasn't in a group of people but it was just a single pass catcher and defender, I guess you should call it. Officials are not there to decide the game on petty maybe/maybe not infractions in the heat of the moment chaos and also can't see everything little thing happening in a mass of bodies.
Palama Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Yeah that no PI call on Green Bay was….interesting


Hafta admit, as I watched the play on MVS and the contact, the first thing I said was “Oh no! PI!” Was totally shocked when there weren’t any flags. BUT, and I know the NFL supposedly doesn’t do this, was it a make-up call for the personal foul on Owens when he hit Mahomes…but it really wasn’t? Think
BuckyB93 Offline
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That non-call on the PI was bad. You could see it a mile away and you didn't need slow mo to or freeze frame to determine that.

The personal fowl on Mahomes was also a bad call but I can see how it might have been questionable in the heat of the moment. The rules nowadays are slanted to keep keep the quarterbacks pristine especially the big names. OK, so throw the flag then send it up to the booth be reviewed.

After review, it was clear that he was in the field of play, didn't slide or try to safely get out of bounds, he was trying to get the first down. The hit was legal. The penalty is over ruled. No penalty yards marked off, no automatic 1st down. 3rd down and inches, restart the play clock.
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Did someone see Taylor Swift in GB? She doesn’t show up and KC loses🏈
O we talking football, refs control the outcomes of all games👎🏻
Palama Offline
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chazbo wrote:
Did someone see Taylor Swift in GB? She doesn’t show up and KC loses🏈
O we talking football, refs control the outcomes of all games👎🏻


She was there. But only saw one shot of her, iirc, it was at the end of the 1st quarter.

The Packers are classy, TS and Mahomes’ wife got a suite, unlike the nose-bleed open-air seats Jordan Love’s Mom and GF had when GB played at KC.
BuckyB93 Offline
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Palama wrote:
She was there. But only saw one shot of her, iirc, it was at the end of the 1st quarter.

The Packers are classy, TS and Mahomes’ wife got a suite, unlike the nose-bleed open-air seats Jordan Love’s Mom and GF had when GB played at KC.


My sister use to work at Lambeau as a side job during the football season. Easy money and you can still watch the game. She met a lot of celebrities, high ranking NFL people, announcers and stuff. One year she worked as a waitress in the luxury boxes of the high rollers serving drinks and stuff. She has many stories to tell on that experience. According to her, Tipper Gore doesn't tip. If you don't tip in the luxury box servers will most likely add some spit or a snot rocket in your glass of whatever you ordered.

Another year she worked the elevators taking high ranking folks and the announcers up to the press boxes and the luxury boxes. She was able to watch the game in the elevators since the the elevators have TV's installed in them. Again many stories to tell. According to my sister, Al Micheals is an A-hole. Most of the other announcers and big named folks were nice and appreciative.
ZRX1200 Offline
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Did she offer him vegetables?
Palama Offline
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BuckyB93 wrote:
My sister use to work at Lambeau as a side job during the football season. Easy money and you can still watch the game. She met a lot of celebrities, high ranking NFL people, announcers and stuff. One year she worked as a waitress in the luxury boxes of the high rollers serving drinks and stuff. She has many stories to tell on that experience. According to her, Tipper Gore doesn't tip. If you don't tip in the luxury box servers will most likely add some spit or a snot rocket in your glass of whatever you ordered.

Another year she worked the elevators taking high ranking folks and the announcers up to the press boxes and the luxury boxes. She was able to watch the game in the elevators since the the elevators have TV's installed in them. Again many stories to tell. According to my sister, Al Micheals is an A-hole. Most of the other announcers and big named folks were nice and appreciative.


Too bad. I remember when he was doing the radio broadcasting for the Hawaii Islanders Triple A PCL team back in the '60s. He doesn't come across as an AH but I guess there's the on and off camera sides to all of these guys and gals.

ZRX1200 wrote:
Did she offer him vegetables?


Laugh
Palama Offline
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Dunno if this belongs in the Politics forum but why TF is something Sean McDermott said 4 years ago in a team meeting (…and immediately apologized for it…) suddenly being brought up?

The media just can’t let things be, can’t they? Not talking
MACS Offline
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Palama wrote:
Dunno if this belongs in the Politics forum but why TF is something Sean McDermott said 4 years ago in a team meeting (…and immediately apologized for it…) suddenly being brought up?

The media just can’t let things be, can’t they? Not talking


No, they cannot. It's beyond ridiculous at this point.
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Da Chiefs can't pull it off... they had a couple chances... Mellow
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Rams had the Ravens in their sights...then misfired on offense and special teams...maybe they aint a playoff team, like we thought, after all...
Palama Offline
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delta1 wrote:
Rams had the Ravens in their sights...then misfired on offense and special teams...maybe they aint a playoff team, like we thought, after all...


“We”? Not talking

Sold their souls for a Super Bowl title but the young skill players do provide some hope.

But how much longer will Stafford play? ‘Cause obviously the QBs they currently have, don’t cut it.
KingoftheCove Offline
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AFC has 11 teams over .500.
NFC has 5.

Philly having a rough stretch.
Dallas looks the best they have looked in………………..20 years???
Playoff chase gonna be fun.
Probably 6-8 important games every weekend until the playoffs.
8trackdisco Offline
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When you are WR, with a clear view of the football, you should never be offside.

Andy Reid. Moahomes. He was offsides. STFU.
deadeyedick Offline
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Ram's boy don't look good in Dallas.
Palama Offline
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8trackdisco wrote:
When you are WR, with a clear view of the football, you should never be offside.

Andy Reid. Moahomes. He was offsides. STFU.


To me, Toney definitely f’d up. Him and him alone. Not only ‘cause he lined up offsides but also because he didn’t check with the head linesman / line judge to make sure he was onside. It’s normal to do that pre-snap and since he didn’t, it’s not up to the HL / LJ to tell him to move back.

I also think the Chiefs miss Eric Bieniemy more than anyone wants to admit.
MACS Offline
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8trackdisco wrote:
When you are WR, with a clear view of the football, you should never be offside.

Andy Reid. Moahomes. He was offsides. STFU.


Well, yeah... but what a freakin' play that was!! Good grief!
MACS Offline
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I really, really dislike the DallASS Cowjerks... but I did need them to beat Philly so the Niners had a shot at the #1 seed.

I feel dirty. Tough spot to be in... sorry Rammie.
deadeyedick Offline
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The AZ connection for the niners is working well. Purdy to Aiyuk.
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MACS wrote:
I really, really dislike the DallASS Cowjerks... but I did need them to beat Philly so the Niners had a shot at the #1 seed.

I feel dirty. Tough spot to be in... sorry Rammie.



Don't be, never can predict how it will go on game day. Think

Eagles need to get their act together real soon. d'oh!
dkeage Offline
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8trackdisco wrote:
When you are WR, with a clear view of the football, you should never be offside.

Andy Reid. Moahomes. He was offsides. STFU.

This

There has been plenty of bad calls made by the refs this season……but that wasn’t one of them..
KingoftheCove Offline
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^^This
And, Reid and Mahomes crying about it was a bad look.
Just because it didnt “impact the play” don’t mean chit!
And, it wasnt like he was barely in the neutral zone………look at the pic.
Obvious and stupid, noobish play.
Hate to say it but Collinsworth is right. When you pay your quarterback that kind of $$$, you have to “save” somewhere else.
For da Chiefs, its at WR and cornerback……………it may catch up to them.

Still, a crushing loss for the Chiefs.

Speaking of crushing losses…
Eagles go from number 1 seed, to number 5 with Dallas loss………..from hosting every playoff game, to potentially being on the road for every playoff game…
Ouch…
ZRX1200 Offline
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Yeah that was a bad look, they may have still been sore about the no PI call last week. The funny thing to me was watching it sure seemed like KC was really getting the calls going their way.. then in the 4th it seemed to be more even.

Yeah they’ve had to cheap out on WR, RB (young number 10 was a great draft pick) DB and LB….but they have their monsters (Mahomes, Kelce and Jones).

The AFC is a mess, I never would have guessed the teams in Wild Card position and the bubble. If SF doesn’t get key people hurt they sure are looking dangerous….
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MACS wrote:
Well, yeah... but what a freakin' play that was!! Good grief!


You mean what a freakin' play it wasn't.

8trackdisco Offline
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MACS wrote:
I really, really dislike the DallASS Cowjerks... but I did need them to beat Philly so the Niners had a shot at the #1 seed.

I feel dirty. Tough spot to be in... sorry Rammie.


You better hope your wish drives Central Americas Team into a long playoff run. Or ...... (stopping gag reflex) Super Bowl.
Palama Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Yeah that was a bad look, they may have still been sore about the no PI call last week. The funny thing to me was watching it sure seemed like KC was really getting the calls going their way.. then in the 4th it seemed to be more even.

Yeah they’ve had to cheap out on WR, RB (young number 10 was a great draft pick) DB and LB….but they have their monsters (Mahomes, Kelce and Jones).

The AFC is a mess, I never would have guessed the teams in Wild Card position and the bubble. If SF doesn’t get key people hurt they sure are looking dangerous….


Agree. And to augment your point about “cheaping out”, there’s a reason why the Packers didn’t resign MVS and the NYG traded Toney. Both players will have great moments but also moments when they literally break your heart. Also, although he may be a young 34, Kelce will, at sometime, start showing his age and his production will not match his pay. The Chiefs are gonna hafta get lucky and find a gem(s) in the draft as their salary cap situation will get only worse.

San Fran seems to have weathered their storm and peaking at the right time. Iffin’ they can avoid the injury bug the rest of the way, I’d put them as the odds-on favorite to make and even win the Super Bowl.

I just saw a clip with Andy Reid and he said that Toney DIDN’T check with the ref so it wasn’t the refs (…but Andy still did whine a bit…).
MACS Offline
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I would really love for the Niners to get another Lombardi trophy... but watching them sometimes I think I'm gonna have a heart attack. Anxious
MACS Offline
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So I keep hearing this talked about by the "sports commentators" that Brock Purdy is a "system quarterback". They say he just distributes the ball to Christain McCaffery, Deebo Samuel, George Kittle and Brandon Aiyuk...

So then, what the f--k was Joe Montana? He had Roger Craig, Tom Rathman, Brent Jones, John Taylor, Jerry Rice... arguably a much better O-line.. and that defense was killer.

Give the kid the respect he's due for f--k's sake. Anybody gonna tell me Joe's teammates were NOT better than what Purdy has??
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MACS wrote:
So I keep hearing this talked about by the "sports commentators" that Brock Purdy is a "system quarterback". They say he just distributes the ball to Christain McCaffery, Deebo Samuel, George Kittle and Brandon Aiyuk...

So then, what the f--k was Joe Montana? He had Roger Craig, Tom Rathman, Brent Jones, John Taylor, Jerry Rice... arguably a much better O-line.. and that defense was killer.

Give the kid the respect he's due for f--k's sake. Anybody gonna tell me Joe's teammates were NOT better than what Purdy has??

^^Amen

But to be fair, there are some sports commentators saying EXACTLY what you are here.
It’s amazing how many QB statistical stats in which Purdy leads the league.
He is simply solid.
Makes few, if any, mental mistakes.
Very few bad throws.
And moves efficiently in the pocket, and has enough physical skills to run a bit when he has to.

Having Shanahan and the bevy of weapons doesn't hurt either.

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Good QBs always have notable receivers because they make them shine. When ppl say Montana wouldn't have been as good without Rice, I say Rice wouldn't have been as good without Montana. Them together was a dream team but a superstar QB can get any receiver who doesn't have the dropsies receptions and yardage.
MACS Offline
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MidnightToker( • )( • ) wrote:
Good QBs always have notable receivers because they make them shine. When ppl say Montana wouldn't have been as good without Rice, I say Rice wouldn't have been as good without Montana. Them together was a dream team but a superstar QB can get any receiver who doesn't have the dropsies receptions and yardage.


BZZZZZZT... Steve Young. Rich Gannon. Jerry Rice was just a freak. He had more TD's with Young.

I give you Lynn Swan and John Stallworth... made Terry Bradshaw look better than he was. Dude has a career 52% completion rating and 212 TD's to 210 INT's.
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[quote=MACS]So I keep hearing this talked about by the "sports commentators" that Brock Purdy is a "system quarterback". They say he just distributes the ball to Christain McCaffery, Deebo Samuel, George Kittle and Brandon Aiyuk...

So then, what the f--k was Joe Montana? He had Roger Craig, Tom Rathman, Brent Jones, John Taylor, Jerry Rice... arguably a much better O-line.. and that defense was killer.

Give the kid the respect he's due for f--k's sake. Anybody gonna tell me Joe's teammates were NOT better than what Purdy has??[/quote


49'er hater here...mostly because Joe Montana kept eating the Rams' lunch back in the 80's when the Rams had an historically good team...this after the Rams owned the 49'ers in the 70s...then along came Joe...

in those days, the QB called the plays...Joe didn't execute a system, so to speak...the number of times Joe beat the Rams with his head, arm or his feet at crunch time and his playoff record has convinced me he's the best QB ever...
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Bart Starr is on the list of best QBs ever. I woud say #1. He played in an era where passing took 2nd fiddle to the run so his passing yards and stuff don't look good vs 80's,90's, 2000's QB's He played in an era that didn't protect the QBs and receivers like they do in the modern era..

He essentially was the offense coordinator and called the plays in the huddle. He played in 10 postseason games and the Packers won nine of them winning with 5 NFL Championships with him under center. QB passer rating of 105 in the post season puts him as #2 behind Mahomes. Montana is #11, Brady is #20, Young #29. (I wouldn't call Mahomes as a best QB ever).

If you want to use those numbers, Starr is an order of magnitude better than Montana, Brady, and Young.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career_playoffs.htm
Palama Offline
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MACS wrote:
BZZZZZZT... Steve Young. Rich Gannon. Jerry Rice was just a freak. He had more TD's with Young.

I give you Lynn Swan and John Stallworth... made Terry Bradshaw look better than he was. Dude has a career 52% completion rating and 212 TD's to 210 INT's.


Hold on young fella! Speak to the hand Stats don’t tell you the whole story.

Terry had a cannon for an arm and although the Steelers had two great RBs during their dynasty run, they still would take deep shots. Fo’ sure Terry could spin it and loved to throw it long. And, being a bit of a gunslinger, probably threw it when he shouldn’t have.

Another thing to note is that the no-contact rule past 5 yards wasn’t put in till 1978 so receivers could be continually mugged until the ball was in the air. Consequently, less completions and more interceptions were the norm. QBs hitting on 55%, let alone 60% of their passes was the exception, not the rule. Bradshaw played 8 out of his 14 years prior to the rule change so his TD-to-INT ratio reflects that.

So, looking at Terry’s career, NFL regular season MVP, 4 Super Bowl appearances, 4 Super Bowl wins, back-to-back Super Bowl MVPs, I’d say he had a pretty good career. In fact, if you dig deeper into his career win-loss stats, both regular season and playoffs, they’re similar to Montana’s!

Btw, I’mma so franking old that I saw Lynn Swann play in a California vs. Hawaii high school all-star game in 1970 and lemme tell you, it didn’t take too long to realize that Swann was a very special player. Iirc, he returned a punt for a TD and had unmatched speed.
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BuckyB93 wrote:
Bart Starr is on the list of best QBs ever. I woud say #1. He played in an era where passing took 2nd fiddle to the run so his passing yards and stuff don't look good vs 80's,90's, 2000's QB's He played in an era that didn't protect the QBs and receivers like they do in the modern era..

He essentially was the offense coordinator and called the plays in the huddle. He played in 10 postseason games and the Packers won nine of them winning with 5 NFL Championships with him under center. QB passer rating of 105 in the post season puts him as #2 behind Mahomes. Montana is #11, Brady is #20, Young #29. (I wouldn't call Mahomes as a best QB ever).

If you want to use those numbers, Starr is an order of magnitude better than Montana, Brady, and Young.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career_playoffs.htm


With you right there!

Anyone who disagrees just doesn’t know football. Shame on you
ZRX1200 Offline
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The Chiefs should also acknowledge it was an illegal formation….the RG was way too far back as well. Just saw a pic.

Purdy is a great QB, you can’t call a QB that is able to throw anticipating a spot as a system QB. Windows are tight in the NFL, accuracy and anticipation are key, and it’s not common to get that paired with the ability to read a defense and have enough athleticism to present an issue for the defenses.
Palama Offline
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Viqueens lose! Now gotta root for the Broncos to beat Dee-troit later on.
Palama Offline
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Watched the new documentary, “Bart Starr: America’s Quarterback” on the SEC Network. I was a big fan of his while growing up but still learned or was reminded of a few personal things today.
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I can’t tell if Detroit’s defense has recovered from the trashing the Bears gave them, or is the Broncos offense still terrible.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I can’t tell if Detroit’s defense has recovered from the trashing the Bears gave them, or is the Broncos offense still terrible.

Yes
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