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Civil War! Really???
delta1 Offline
#1 Posted:
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far right extremists, including white supremacist groups like the Oath Keepers and the Proud Boys, have been declaring that America is on the verge of Civil War, and they are ready and willing to shoot and kill those on the left who oppose them.

Well...maybe not...if conviction to the cause is essential...


Enrique Tarrios, the infamous leader of Trump's Palace Guard, the Proud Boys, whom Trump famously ordered to "stand back and stand by" has been sentenced to 22 years for his crimes during the January 6 insurrection at the Capitol.

Before he was sentenced, Tarrio begged for mercy, apologized to the Capitol Police and US law-makers for his actions, and said the activities at the Capitol on January 6 was an embarrassment...he said he was done with politics...

so, I guess when confronted, Civil Warriors will capitulate?
MACS Offline
#2 Posted:
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Sorry, Al.

We're at that point, brother. Some folks want to bury their heads in the sand, ignore the evidence in front of their faces and blindly follow the narrative.

I'm wide awake, brother. We're at the same point now as we were at the Boston Tea Party. If I gotta throw some boxes into the harbor... they're getting thrown.

Edit: You know my training. I'm prepared to use it in defense of our constitution. Against ALL enemies. Foreign and DOMESTIC. I swore an oath.
ZRX1200 Offline
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The Fed informant? Ah ok…..so

Pushing people to it and encouraging it? Do you think that’s noble Al?
HockeyDad Offline
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“If you wanted or if you think you need to have weapons to take on the government, you need F-15s and maybe some nuclear weapons.” ~ President Biden

Relax Delta1….Biden will nuke them.
RayR Offline
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Biden is continuing the civil war already in progress to fundamentally transform America. He takes his orders from Obama.
I heard he has political prisoners in jail and wants to imprison more on Trumped Up charges.
ZRX1200 Offline
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Al you catch the New Mexico governor?

This country recently had a soft coup and we’ve been in a protracted war with the founding since Woodrow Wilson.
Gene363 Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Al you catch the New Mexico governor?

This country recently had a soft coup and we’ve been in a protracted war with the founding since Woodrow Wilson.


Yup!

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CxEAwNypYZc/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

rfenst Offline
#8 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
Sorry, Al.

We're at that point, brother. Some folks want to bury their heads in the sand, ignore the evidence in front of their faces and blindly follow the narrative.

I'm wide awake, brother. We're at the same point now as we were at the Boston Tea Party. If I gotta throw some boxes into the harbor... they're getting thrown.

Edit: You know my training. I'm prepared to use it in defense of our constitution. Against ALL enemies. Foreign and DOMESTIC. I swore an oath.

Wow.

A new, scrape-the-bottom-of-the-barrel, CBID low.

Threatening civil unrest, civil war and killing people, merely for political and social differences of opinion that can be resolved over time and at the ballot box- is not the oath you think you took.

Pathetic.

(Edited)
JGKAMIN Offline
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rfenst wrote:
Wow.
A new CBID low: Threatening civil unrest, civil war and killing pewople, merely for political and social differences of opinion that can be resolved over time at the ballot box.
Pathetic.

Irony…
Brewha Offline
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delta1 wrote:
far right extremists, including white supremacist groups like the Oath Keepers and the Proud Boys, have been declaring that America is on the verge of Civil War, and they are ready and willing to shoot and kill those on the left who oppose them.

Well...maybe not...if conviction to the cause is essential...


Enrique Tarrios, the infamous leader of Trump's Palace Guard, the Proud Boys, whom Trump famously ordered to "stand back and stand by" has been sentenced to 22 years for his crimes during the January 6 insurrection at the Capitol.

Before he was sentenced, Tarrio begged for mercy, apologized to the Capitol Police and US law-makers for his actions, and said the activities at the Capitol on January 6 was an embarrassment...he said he was done with politics...

so, I guess when confronted, Civil Warriors will capitulate?


Well those falkers did fire the first shots by storming the capital and calling for the Vice President to be hanged.
And they believe that their leader is far, far above the law.

Yes - they want a war upon us. Or anyone who respects the rule of law. Because only they can see the "truth" of the made up "stolen election" - they alone have their "eyes wide open" (does that mean "woke?")
RayR Offline
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rfenst wrote:
Wow.
A new CBID low: Threatening civil unrest, civil war and killing pewople, merely for political and social differences of opinion that can be resolved over time at the ballot box.
Pathetic.


Nobody here is threatening civil unrest or civil war, it's merely being pointed out that the regime pirates have fired numerous shots across the bow. They are the ones that have been amassing their armies and war propaganda, launching a calculated plan for civil unrest. (Listen to Brewha, he's like the Goebbels of CBID repeatedly spouting out CNN talking points)

Robert, don't be such a denier. Forget about those comforting thoughts about DUHMACRACY resolving political and social differences over time by "voting the BUMS out". The BUMS don't care, they plan to stay in power no matter what DUHMACRACY says, no matter what the Federal and State Constitutions say. They simply don't care; they have declared total war against what they perceive as a defenseless population whose will to fight back can be crushed.


ZRX1200 Offline
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Rfenster if you were paying attention, what you complain about is exactly what progressives are doing practically in this country…..in practice, not in speech.
rfenst Offline
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Word salad.
ZRX1200 Offline
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*sigh*

It’s a good thing you’re cute.
Brewha Offline
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Maybe you should add a little Thousand Island, Z.
And come carrots.
Gene363 Offline
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https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/saf-files-the-sixth-lawsuit-challenging-governor-grishams-suspension-of-second-amendment-rights/
ZRX1200 Offline
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You trying to get me to hack at that low hanging spelling pun fruit Brew?

I’m better than that…..
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Brewha wrote:
Well those falkers did fire the first shots by storming the capital and calling for the Vice President to be hanged.
And they believe that their leader is far, far above the law.

Yes - they want a war upon us. Or anyone who respects the rule of law. Because only they can see the "truth" of the made up "stolen election" - they alone have their "eyes wide open" (does that mean "woke?")


Um...the only shots fired...yeah. Once again woefully ill informed and to date refusing to become educated. Keep on drinking the DNC kool-aid. Your types are so much fun to laugh at. You never see it coming.
Brewha Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Um...the only shots fired...yeah. Once again woefully ill informed and to date refusing to become educated. Keep on drinking the DNC kool-aid. Your types are so much fun to laugh at. You never see it coming.

Yeah, so the head of the Proud Bums just got 22 years for his Jan 6 part.

Keep dreaming D.
And tell us all it’s a witch hunt. Liar
RayR Offline
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Just another one of the regime's political prisoners.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Brewha wrote:
Yeah, so the head of the Proud Bums just got 22 years for his Jan 6 part.

Keep dreaming D.
And tell us all it’s a witch hunt. Liar



Dreaming? Hardly.

Lets play in your imaginary world of Unicorns, fart cars and boosters...Yeah, the very 1st govt. overthrow without a plan, weapons and all with police and government agency help.

Sure.

It's not a witch hunt stupid.

The Swamp fought back.

Edited to include this:


Jailed Proud Boy Leader: Feds Tried To 'Coerce Me' Into Implicating Trump



Former Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio said in a jailhouse interview that federal prosecutors tried to "coerce" him into implicating former President Donald Trump in the Capitol riot.

"They weren’t trying to get the truth," Tarrio told the Washginton Post. "They were trying to coerce me into signing something that’s not true."


Tarrio was sentenced to 22 years in prison last week by US District Judge Timothy Kelly, despite the fact that he wasn't at the Capitol on January 6, 2021.

"I was looking and seeking what the plea offer would look like, right?" Tarrio said. "They didn’t want to give me a number. I need a number. To me, the most important thing is when I get home to my family."

...prosecutors asked him what role then-President Donald Trump played in getting the Proud Boys to attack the Capitol. He said the prosecutors, accompanied by FBI agents in the Miami jail where Tarrio was being held at the time, showed him messages that he exchanged with a second person, who in turn was connected to a third person who was connected to Trump. Tarrio said he told the investigators that he didn’t know the third person. He refused to name the people who prosecutors said allegedly connected him to Trump. -WaPo

He also told the Post that "there was never an open-ended question after" the feds tried to get him to implicate Trump.

Tarrio said prosecutors in Miami last fall did not ask him about Roger Stone, a longtime Trump confidant who was an acquaintance of Tarrio’s, or Ali Alexander, a promoter of the “Stop the Steal” rally. He said the federal visitors did not ask him questions about his knowledge of Jan. 6 beyond the theorized connection to Trump. “There was never an open-ended question after that,” Tarrio said.

Prosecutors did later offer Tarrio a deal: nine to 11 years in prison if he pleaded guilty to seditious conspiracy, according to court records. Tarrio declined.

During his sentencing hearing, Judge Kelley said Tarrio was the "ultimate leader, the ultimate person who organized, who was motivated by revolutionary zeal."


There have been 370 individuals sentenced to prison in connection with the Capitol riot out of 1,100 people charged in the incident.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/jailed-proud-boy-leader-feds-tried-coerce-me-implicating-trump



Ultimate leader??? THE ultimate organizer (Bathhouse Barry is #2 I suppose!) motivated by ooooh....Revolutionary "zeal". Is that like Ratface Vindmann.. Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff or Chuck U Schumer kinda zeal? Sounds more like Trump is off the hook with that judge's last statement!!!Frying pan Frying pan Frying pan
ZRX1200 Offline
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Hang the VP?

Boy when you put propaganda in your mouth you’re a lady…..you do not spit.
Mr. Jones Offline
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The poor R.A.T. ....

ENRIQUE gets 22 yrs....

Good riddance you P.O.S. FBI RAAATTTTT FUUUUCCCKKK
Speyside2 Offline
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MACS, I think you are now on a terrorist watch list in every 1st world country. Jonesy why not tell MACS how that works.
Brewha Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Dreaming? Hardly.

Lets play in your imaginary world of Unicorns, fart cars and boosters...Yeah, the very 1st govt. overthrow without a plan, weapons and all with police and government agency help.

Sure.



Smell the coffee D:

January 6th Notable sentences


On March 8, 2022, the first criminal trial involving one of the rioters, Guy Reffitt, ended with a jury conviction.[26] Reffitt was subsequently sentenced to seven years and three months in federal prison.[27]

On August 11, 2022, Thomas Robertson was also sentenced to seven years and three months in prison.[28]

On August 26, 2022, Howard Richardson was sentenced to three years and 10 months in prison followed by three years of supervised release. He had struck a police officer three times with a flagpole, hard enough to break the flagpole. He had been arrested in November 2021 and had pleaded guilty in April 2022.[29]

On September 1, 2022, Thomas Webster was sentenced to 10 years in prison.[30]

On September 22, 2022, Timothy Hale-Cusanelli was sentenced to four years in prison.[31]

On October 27, 2022, Albuquerque Cosper Head was sentenced to seven years and six months in prison. He had dragged Metropolitan Police Department officer Mike Fanone into the mob.[32]

On December 5, 2022, Suzanne Ianni was sentenced to 15 days in prison for disorderly conduct. Ianni was formerly an elected member of the town meeting of Natick, Massachusetts, a member of Super Happy Fun America, and organizer of a Boston Straight Pride Parade.[33]

On December 9, 2022, Ronald Sandlin was sentenced to more than five years and three months in prison.[34] Sandlin followed the QAnon ideology. He and two other men had driven from Tennessee to Washington, DC in a rental car filled with weapons, and he had assaulted police officers. He had pled guilty.[35]

On January 6, 2023, Jerod Wade Hughes was sentenced to three years and 10 months in prison. As the eighth rioter to enter the Capitol, he climbed into the building through a broken window and helped kick open the Senate wing door so others could enter. He had pled guilty.[36]

On January 27, 2023, Julian Khater was sentenced to six years and eight months in prison. He used pepper spray to assault Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick, who died the next day after suffering strokes.[37]

On February 9, 2023, Kevin Seefried was sentenced to three years in prison. He carried a Confederate flag through the Capitol and used the flagpole to fend off a police officer.[38]

On February 24, 2023, David Mehaffie was sentenced to one year and 2 months in prison. He was a co-defendant at trial with Tristan Chandler Stevens and Patrick McCaughey III, who were sentenced later and received longer sentences.[39]

On March 14, 2023, Tristan Chandler Stevens was sentenced to five years in prison. He assaulted police officers while attempting to break into the Capitol.[40]

On March 23, 2023, Riley June Williams was sentenced to three years in prison. She stole the laptop of Nancy Pelosi with the intent on selling it to Russian foreign intelligence services and attempted to wipe all evidence of her crimes, after bragging about her involvement, in the days following the assault.[41]

On April 11, 2023, Robert Sanford was sentenced to four years and four months in prison. He hit two police officers in the head with a fire extinguisher and threw a traffic cone at another officer.[42]

On April 14, 2023, Vincent J. Gillespie was sentenced to five years and eight months in prison. He grabbed a police shield from officers, rammed it into them and pulled another officer into the mob of protestors.[43]

On April 14, 2023, Patrick McCaughey III was sentenced to seven years and six months in prison. He crushed a police officer in a doorframe with a riot shield.[44]

On April 28, 2023, Jeffrey Scott Brown was sentenced to four years and six months in prison. He assaulted police with pepper spray.[45]

On May 5, 2023, Peter Schwartz was sentenced to 14 years and two months in prison. He sprayed a "super soaker" canister of pepper spray at retreating officers. He had 38 prior convictions over the previous 30 years.[46]

On May 24, 2023, Richard Barnett was sentenced to four years and six months in prison. He had carried a stun gun into House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's office, propped his foot up on a desk, and bragged about stealing an envelope from the office.[47]

On May 25, 2023, Stewart Rhodes was sentenced to 18 years in prison, the longest sentence associated with the attack delivered to date. He was charged with seditious conspiracy, receiving an increased sentence due to his actions being ruled as terrorism by U.S. District Judge, Amit Mehta. Rhodes was the founder of the Oath Keepers, a far-right extremist militia, and was the first to be convicted of seditious conspiracy and terrorism in relation to the attack.[48]

On May 25, 2023, Kelly Meggs was sentenced to 12 years in prison. A leader of the Oath Keepers' Florida chapter, Meggs was charged with seditious conspiracy for his role during the attack.[48]

On May 26, 2023, Jessica Watkins was sentenced to eight years and six months and Kenneth Harrelson was sentenced to four years in prison. Both convicts were members of the Oath Keepers, with Watkins' crimes including merging her local Ohio armed group with the Oath Keepers in 2020, and Harrelson serving as the right-hand man to Kelly Meggs, leader of the Florida chapter.[49]

On June 21, 2023, Daniel Rodriguez was sentenced to 12 years and seven months.[50]

On July 7, 2023, Barry Bennet Ramey was sentenced to five years in prison. He was connected to the Proud Boys and pepper-sprayed police in the face.[51]

On July 13, 2023, Kyle Fitzsimons was sentenced to seven years and three months in prison. He attacked Capitol Police Sgt. Aquilino Gonell and D.C. Police Sgt. Phuson Nguyen. While in the mob, Fitzsimons was hit by another rioter and received a bloody head wound that later required staples.[52]

On July 14, 2023, Audrey Ann Southard-Rumsey was sentenced to six years in prison. Brandishing a flagpole, she knocked over a police officer.[53]

On July 24, 2023, Peter Stager was sentenced to four years and four months in prison. He beat a police officer, Blake Miller, with a flagpole.[54]

On July 28, 2023, Thomas Sibick was sentenced to four years and two months in prison. He stole Metropolitan Police Officer Michael Fanone's badge and radio.[55]

On August 17, 2023, Michael Steven Perkins was sentenced to four years in prison. He attacked officers with a flagpole. His co-defendant, Joshua Christopher Doolin, was sentenced to one year and six months.[56]

On August 29, 2023, Brandon Fellows was sentenced to five months for criminal contempt of court. This was related to his behavior during trial and is separate from whether the jury will convict him of the charges against him.[57]

On August 31, 2023, Joe Biggs was sentenced to seventeen years in prison and Zachary Rehl was sentenced to fifteen years for seditious conspiracy and other charges.[58]

On September 1, 2023, Dominic Pezzola was sentenced to ten years in prison for various charges relating to smashing a window in the U.S. Capitol.[59]

On September 5, 2023, former Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio was sentenced to 22 years for his role in organizing the attack.[60]
Brewha Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Hang the VP?

Boy when you put propaganda in your mouth you’re a lady…..you do not spit.


You really should watch the film footage - looks like an insurrection to me.
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Brewha wrote:
Smell the coffee D:



If it's coming from you...it's not coffee. It's $hit. All the time.

https://youtu.be/Opy7MLGAPBk?si=DwY_ksSHwAXiK9Sm


You're the one buying the lies, not me.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#28 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
You really should watch the film footage - looks like an insurrection to me.


https://youtu.be/Opy7MLGAPBk?si=DwY_ksSHwAXiK9Sm

WATCH IT THEN.
RayR Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
https://youtu.be/Opy7MLGAPBk?si=DwY_ksSHwAXiK9Sm

WATCH IT THEN.


You mean LEFTY MEDIA purposely cherry-picked film footage to only show scenes of violence and destruction of property to their audience? I'm totally SHOCKED! I thought that it only happened in authoritarian countries where the regime-controlled media decides what propaganda the proles are allowed to see on TV, to invoke HATE for opponents of the regime.
It's funny that when they show scenes of violence and destruction of property by LEFTIES, they call it 'peaceful protesting".
DrMaddVibe Offline
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RayR wrote:
You mean LEFTY MEDIA purposely cherry-picked film footage to only show scenes of violence and destruction of property to their audience? I'm totally SHOCKED! I thought that it only happened in authoritarian countries where the regime-controlled media decides what propaganda the proles are allowed to see on TV, to invoke HATE for opponents of the regime.
It's funny that when they show scenes of violence and destruction of property by LEFTIES, they call it 'peaceful protesting".



Only to propagate their whipped up INSURRECTION for the idiots to lap up.

Did people do stupid stuff...sure. Who took down barricades? Who unchained doors? Who opened doors? Who walked who around the halls and into rooms and even the Chamber? Who killed a person?


OOOPS...there went their narrative. Only the liars keep pushing that narrative now.
Brewha Offline
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....meanwhile ma Barker lies unconscious in a ditch at the end of town.
RayR Offline
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Brewha wrote:
....meanwhile ma Barker lies unconscious in a ditch at the end of town.


I heard Ma Barker was the head of a crime family like Joey B.
rfenst Offline
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@25

Don't you know that even the ones who pleaded guilty didn't do anything wrong?
Speyside2 Offline
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I would be fine letting any state secede from the union. Anything built or bought with federal tax dollars needs to be taken back or destroyed. Then new borders will exist, and those states will be foreign countries or a foreign country and be treated as such. I suppose small travel corridors should be provided to the landlocked countries to reach somewhere other than the United States. These would be for non-commercial vehicles, no planes or trains or semis and such. Since they are crossing into our country vehicles would need to be searched. Because of the civil unrest these states and their citizens have caused they should be designated terrorist countries. Along with this we will not buy goods or products from those countries, and we will not sell our goods and products to them. This would need to be fleshed out by our government with people far smarter than I. Citizens of these countries would no longer be citizens of the United States.
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Speyside2 wrote:
I would be fine letting any state secede from the union. Anything built or bought with federal tax dollars needs to be taken back or destroyed. Then new borders will exist, and those states will be foreign countries or a foreign country and be treated as such. I suppose small travel corridors should be provided to the landlocked countries to reach somewhere other than the United States. These would be for non-commercial vehicles, no planes or trains or semis and such. Since they are crossing into our country vehicles would need to be searched. Because of the civil unrest these states and their citizens have caused they should be designated terrorist countries. Along with this we will not buy goods or products from those countries, and we will not sell our goods and products to them. This would need to be fleshed out by our government with people far smarter than I. Citizens of these countries would no longer be citizens of the United States.

not bad, but one glaring error...
should be "with people fah smahtah than ME".
Not "I".
Prepositions take objective case pronouns.
RayR Offline
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Spey is very AUTHORITARIAN. I think Spey would make a great Communist Dicktator.
frankj1 Offline
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but then you'd miss Putin
RayR Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
but then you'd miss Putin


Spey would be better than Putin as an authoritarian dicktator. He wants to designate any sovereign entity that does not swear total allegiance to his United States of America as a terrorist country. He doesn't even want to allow commercial trade with them. Putin is bad but even he doesn't even do any of that.
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read it again.
He's waving buh bye to states that want to go.
after that he assumes some new rules will be required...I reckon so those newly minted states don't try to take more territory with them.
RayR Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
read it again.
He's waving buh bye to states that want to go.
after that he assumes some new rules will be required...I reckon so those newly minted states don't try to take more territory with them.


Oh sure smauty pants, you go to read his words again. He's fine with states seceding from the union, but he sees them as insurrectionists, rebels, and such, probably even subhuman for not wanting to live under the boot of his dictatorship.
rfenst Offline
#41 Posted:
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Speyside2 wrote:
I would be fine letting any state secede from the union. Anything built or bought with federal tax dollars needs to be taken back or destroyed. Then new borders will exist, and those states will be foreign countries or a foreign country and be treated as such. I suppose small travel corridors should be provided to the landlocked countries to reach somewhere other than the United States. These would be for non-commercial vehicles, no planes or trains or semis and such. Since they are crossing into our country vehicles would need to be searched. Because of the civil unrest these states and their citizens have caused they should be designated terrorist countries. Along with this we will not buy goods or products from those countries, and we will not sell our goods and products to them. This would need to be fleshed out by our government with people far smarter than I. Citizens of these countries would no longer be citizens of the United States.



RayR wrote:
Oh sure smauty pants, you go to read his words again. He's fine with states seceding from the union, but he sees them as insurrectionists, rebels, and such, probably even subhuman for not wanting to live under the boot of his dictatorship.


He did not use ANY of the words or ideas you attribute to him. Not 'insurrectionists". Not "rebels". And, not "subhuman".

You totally misrepresented what he wrote and attributed beliefs and ideas to him that you chose, not him. to as opposed to those he actually writes. Also, read his comment again in light of the thread title (Civil War! Really???), genius.

Bet he'd be fine with any state that wants to leave peacefully as well. Just think, you could move to one of those states and no longer be subject to the federal government.

Feel free to leave anytime you want.
HockeyDad Offline
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“Anything built or bought with federal tax dollars needs to be taken back or destroyed. Then new borders will exist, and those states will be foreign countries or a foreign country and be treated as such. I suppose small travel corridors should be provided to the landlocked countries to reach somewhere other than the United States. These would be for non-commercial vehicles, no planes or trains or semis and such. Since they are crossing into our country vehicles would need to be searched. Because of the civil unrest these states and their citizens have caused they should be designated terrorist countries.”


Sounds like the Gaza Strip or the West Bank.
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rfenst wrote:


Bet he'd be fine with any state that wants to leave peacefully as well. Just think, you could move to one of those states and no longer be subject to the federal government.

Feel free to leave anytime you want.


Which state is that?? State of mind? If so, I'm already gone.

It's interesting you mentioned that though, bc that's exactly what the Treaty of Paris (1783) said. Each of the 13 colonies were sovereigns in a loose confederation with one another. Any one of them could leave at at any time, for any reason.

South Carolina tried to do just that in 1860 and we see how that turned out (like the title of this thread)


RayR Offline
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Speyside2 wrote:
I would be fine letting any state secede from the union. Anything built or bought with federal tax dollars needs to be taken back or destroyed. Then new borders will exist, and those states will be foreign countries or a foreign country and be treated as such. I suppose small travel corridors should be provided to the landlocked countries to reach somewhere other than the United States. These would be for non-commercial vehicles, no planes or trains or semis and such. Since they are crossing into our country vehicles would need to be searched. Because of the civil unrest these states and their citizens have caused they should be designated terrorist countries. Along with this we will not buy goods or products from those countries, and we will not sell our goods and products to them. This would need to be fleshed out by our government with people far smarter than I. Citizens of these countries would no longer be citizens of the United States.


Do we need to highlight the words for you rfenst?

It sure doesn't sound like he believes in peaceful secession to me. He's quite belligerent as a matter of fact and has a chip on his shoulder about those Johnny Rebs leaving the Union.

HD says Spey's view of his United States "Sounds like the Gaza Strip or the West Bank."
I was thinking more like his hostile United States sounds like East Germany. He'll probably have to build a wall next to keep his citizens of the United States from defecting.
HockeyDad Offline
#45 Posted:
Joined: 09-20-2000
Posts: 46,160
Perhaps it is more likely that the disjointed blue states leave.

The New England states decide this was all a mistake. They rejoin the United Kingdom. Their taxes are immediately increased without representation.

Minnesota, Wisconsin, and metro Chicago join Canada. Guns are banned and their taxes are immediately increased. Gun violence in Chicago increases and Canada apologizes.

Hawaii, California, Oregon, Washington, and Nevada form their own country and bring back Covid mask mandates and mandatory gender transition surgery. China invades and occupies the entire territory in three days. The new Chinese provincial governor announces there will be some changes coming. The population is thrilled because we will finally get to see socialism and communism done right.
RayR Offline
#46 Posted:
Joined: 07-20-2020
Posts: 8,918
HockeyDad wrote:
Perhaps it is more likely that the disjointed blue states leave.

The New England states decide this was all a mistake. They rejoin the United Kingdom. Their taxes are immediately increased without representation.

Minnesota, Wisconsin, and metro Chicago join Canada. Guns are banned and their taxes are immediately increased. Gun violence in Chicago increases and Canada apologizes.

Hawaii, California, Oregon, Washington, and Nevada form their own country and bring back Covid mask mandates and mandatory gender transition surgery. China invades and occupies the entire territory in three days. The new Chinese provincial governor announces there will be some changes coming. The population is thrilled because we will finally get to see socialism and communism done right.


Interesting. Think

But the central fascist power in DC won't be happy that they are losing a substantial amount of stolen loot with all these states leaving the Union. They will also be unhappy that they are losing direct access to all those natural resources and the Pacific Ocean.
The final solution will be to launch a massive invasion to "SAVE THE UNION!", the war battle cry wil be EVERYTHING WITHIN THE UNION, NOTHING AGAINST THE UNION, NOTHING OUTSIDE THE UNION!

rfenst Offline
#47 Posted:
Joined: 06-23-2007
Posts: 39,349
HockeyDad wrote:
Perhaps it is more likely that the disjointed blue states leave.

I'd be fine with that too. By the way, which blue states are disjointed?
Brewha Offline
#48 Posted:
Joined: 01-25-2010
Posts: 12,201
So - I saw on TV, during a sports game, someone displaying a flag that read:

TRUMP 2024 OR DEATH

And they sell them online.




He's my question; why would the MAGA Right promise to kill themselves?
HockeyDad Offline
#49 Posted:
Joined: 09-20-2000
Posts: 46,160
rfenst wrote:
I'd be fine with that too. By the way, which blue states are disjointed?


I kinda laid it out in post 45.
RayR Offline
#50 Posted:
Joined: 07-20-2020
Posts: 8,918
Brewha wrote:
So - I saw on TV, during a sports game, someone displaying a flag that read:

TRUMP 2024 OR DEATH

And they sell them online.




He's my question; why would the MAGA Right promise to kill themselves?


You are lying again Brew. Why do you always have to lie? Eh?
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