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Loony Lefty Gov. Kathy Hochul Says Abortion Pill Ruling is an Attack on Democracy!
RayR Offline
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But of course, as I've illustrated before, anything LEFTY doesn't like is immediately labeled "Un-Democratic" "Fascist", or both, even if the designation makes no sense.

Hochul vows to keep abortion services, medication available in NY

Published: Apr. 11, 2023 at 5:22 PM EDT

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ALBANY, New York (WWNY) - Amid two different rulings on abortion access, Governor Kathy Hochul is vowing to keep services available to New Yorkers.

“This isn’t just an attack on abortion, this is an attack on democracy,” the Democrat said, referring to a ruling by a federal judge out of Texas last week.

The ruling blocks the use of the abortion pill mifepristone, alleging the FDA didn’t adequately review its safety risks when it was approved in 2000.

Now, Hochul is making sure there’s no shortage of abortion medication and access in New York.

“I’m proud to announce that New York state will create a stockpile of misoprostol,” she said.

Misoprostol is another widely used abortion pill and New York will stockpile 150,000 pills.

Governor Hochul also announced an extra $20 million in funding for healthcare providers to support other methods of abortion.

The ruling out of Texas came on the same day as a ruling in Washington state, which directs U.S. authorities to not make any changes that would restrict access to the drug in at least 17 states where states sued to protect the availability of the drug. New York was not one of them.



Money is no object when it comes to plundering and killing. It's DUHMACRACY!
HockeyDad Offline
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150k less New Yorkers. Glass half full.
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That's if it only takes one pill... might take up to 6 or 7 to shut down some of them bassards... Mellow
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Pretty sure if they get 15 more boosters they’d be ok.
RayR Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Pretty sure if they get 15 more boosters they’d be ok.


Ya, that'll kill the parasitic infant and the host I heard.
Brewha Offline
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The "no big government" right wing conservatives sure do what the government controlling personal choice.

Abortion is murder = Women should not have reproductive rights.
And soon, they will mandate that women cover their heads in public.

"Land of the Free" unless you're a girl....
ZRX1200 Offline
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You are sounding like a science denier now.

There’s a camp for that. I mean app.
HockeyDad Offline
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Brewha wrote:
The "no big government" right wing conservatives sure do what the government controlling personal choice.

Abortion is murder = Women should not have reproductive rights.
And soon, they will mandate that women cover their heads in public.

"Land of the Free" unless you're a girl....



What’s the definition of “girl”.?
Brewha Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
What’s the definition of “girl”.?


omg, you poor man....
Brewha Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
You are sounding like a science denier now.

There’s a camp for that. I mean app.

Seems to me that one of us is very smart, but still does not understand what the other is saying.

Right now, I'm thinking that is you.
rfenst Offline
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Abortion Pill Ruling May Face Headwinds at the Supreme Court


Even justices hostile to abortion and the administrative state may think twice, legal scholars said, before embracing a Texas judge’s decision.


NYT
WASHINGTON — The conservative legal movement has long had two key goals: to limit access to abortion and to restrict the authority of administrative agencies.

The decision last week by a federal judge in Texas invalidating the Food and Drug Administration’s approval 23 years ago of the abortion drug mifepristone checked both of those boxes. The ruling, if it stands, would not only thwart access to the pills, used in more than half of pregnancy terminations, but also undermine the F.D.A.’s authority to approve and regulate other drugs.

At first blush, all of that might seem to make the decision’s chances of surviving review by a Supreme Court dominated by conservative justices quite promising.

But legal scholars said on Monday that the poor quality, breathtaking sweep and unknown collateral consequences of the Texas decision might cause at least some of the Supreme Court’s conservative justices to wait for a case that would allow them to take more measured steps.
he main story

“If you’re a justice looking for a case in which to undermine the administrative state, this is not a particularly elegant one,” said Mary Ziegler, a law professor and historian at the University of California, Davis. “Everything about this case makes it an imperfect vehicle, except for the fact that it’s about abortion and the administrative state. This is boundary testing.”

Jonathan H. Adler, a law professor at Case Western Reserve University, said the new case, should it reach the Supreme Court, might meet a reception similar to that of the latest challenge to the Affordable Care Act. In 2021, by a vote of 7 to 2, the court said that the 18 Republican-led states and two individuals who brought the case had not suffered the sort of direct injury that gave them standing to sue.

Despite the conservative majority’s misgivings about the health care law, Professor Adler said, “when push came to shove and they were presented with a fundamentally deficient legal theory, only two justices were willing to give that legal theory the time of day.”

Headwinds at the Supreme Court?: At first blush, the decision’s chances of surviving review by a Supreme Court dominated by conservative justices seem quite promising. But the justices may think twice before embracing it, legal scholars say.

History may repeat itself in the Texas case, he said. “I view some of the administrative law aspects of this case to be similar,” he said, noting that there were significant threshold issues involving the plaintiffs’ standing to sue, whether they had exhausted other avenues for relief and whether they had taken too long to bring an action.

“Unless the court is willing to create abortion-specific rules for administrative law, it has to reject these claims,” Professor Adler said.

For decades, conservative justices complained that the Supreme Court’s abortion jurisprudence was destabilizing the rule of law, warping principles that applied in all sorts of cases.

“No legal rule or doctrine is safe from ad hoc nullification by this court when an occasion for its application arises in a case involving state regulation of abortion,” Justice Sandra Day O’Connor wrote in 1986.

The court’s decision in June in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, which overruled Roe v. Wade and Planned Parenthood v. Casey, promised to put an end to such collateral damage.

“Roe and Casey have led to the distortion of many important but unrelated legal doctrines, and that effect provides further support for overruling those decisions,” Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr. wrote for the majority.

But a ruling upholding the Texas decision could lead to distortions of just the sort that Dobbs had vowed to end, Professor Ziegler said. “There’s a fun-house mirror effect to all of this,” she said.

The court could also leave itself open to charges of inconsistency and opportunism.

Indeed, even in the context of access to mifepristone, the Supreme Court has recently affirmed the authority of the F.D.A. In 2021, the court reinstated a requirement that women seeking to end their pregnancies using the abortion pill pick it up in person from a hospital or medical office.

A federal judge in Maryland had blocked the requirement in light of the coronavirus pandemic, overriding the agency’s determination. Chief Justice Roberts, the only member of the majority to set out his reasons, said that the trial judge should have deferred to the F.D.A.

“My view is that courts owe significant deference to the politically accountable entities with the ‘background, competence and expertise to assess public health,’” he wrote, quoting an earlier opinion. “In light of those considerations, I do not see a sufficient basis here for the district court to compel the F.D.A. to alter the regimen for medical abortion.”

In 2020, in an earlier encounter with the case, Justice Alito, joined by Justice Clarence Thomas, expressed incredulity that “a district court judge in Maryland took it upon himself to overrule the F.D.A. on a question of drug safety.” (The Biden administration later removed the requirement that the pill be dispensed in person.)

In a dissent in 2009, Justice Alito, joined by Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Antonin Scalia, praised the agency’s expertise, saying “the F.D.A. has the benefit of the long view.”

The majority had ruled that the agency’s approval of a drug had not displaced injured plaintiffs’ ability to sue under state law. Justice Alito disagreed. “Where the F.D.A. determines, in accordance with its statutory mandate, that a drug is on balance ‘safe,’” he wrote, the court’s precedents “prohibit any state from countermanding that determination.”

Rachel Rebouché, dean of Temple University Beasley School of Law, said the outcome of the case from Texas, if it reaches the Supreme Court, could turn on Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Brett M. Kavanaugh, who often hold the pivotal votes in close cases.

“Both of them expressed skepticism in Dobbs about just how far any decision should go,” she said. “To have federal court power used in service of undercutting the ability of an expert agency to apply its congressional authority might be too much.”

Professor Ziegler agreed that Justice Kavanaugh may well be in play.

“No matter how hostile he is to the administrative state and how hostile he is to abortion rights,” she said, “there are procedural hurdles that give someone like him an out if he just doesn’t want egg on his face after proclaiming that the court is getting out of the business of ruling on abortion rights.”

She added: “There are reasons for justices unsympathetic to abortion rights and the administrative decision to pause here. That doesn’t mean they will.”
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Opinion: Abortion is not the magic bullet that Democrats think it is

WAPO

Democrats have been touting the election of liberal Janet Protasiewicz to Wisconsin’s Supreme Court as proof that abortion is an anchor around the GOP’s neck. The truth is more nuanced.

Let’s make one thing clear: The conservative candidate, Dan Kelly, got trounced. He lost by 11 points in a state where Donald Trump lost in 2020 by less than one. Many Democrats argue that the Supreme Court’s decision overturning Roe v. Wade, issued in June, changed things dramatically. Because Protasiewicz made support for abortion rights a centerpiece of her campaign, they contend that the 10-point leftward swing shows that abortion rights is a salient and deadly issue for Republicans.

But this overlooks a number of other factors. Kelly also lost by double digits when he ran for the Supreme Court in 2020. Indeed, the University of Virginia’s Center for Politics found Kelly lost the same counties in 2023 that he lost in 2020. Only one county, Trempealeau, shifted in 2023, and it changed in Kelly’s favor. Since Roe was law in 2020, it seems Kelly’s own unpopularity might have been the larger factor in his defeat this year.

This narrative also overlooks a special election for a state Senate seat that took place on the same day. The district, which covers suburban Milwaukee, contained highly educated places such as Mequon and Whitefish Bay. While Trump won it by five points in 2020, it had been moving toward the Democrats in recent years. So one might have expected voters there to abandon the GOP over abortion. Instead, the Republican in the race, Dan Knodl, won by nearly two points, even though his Democratic opponent significantly outspent him.

None of this means abortion is not a challenge for Republicans. The issue clearly motivates Democratic-leaning voters and might draw independents to switch sides (though not always enough to defeat Republicans, as Knodl’s win suggests). It also drives campaign donations, which is one reason otherwise obscure races have attracted millions of dollars in spending. Those factors could seriously hurt Republicans on the margin in contested races.

But other evidence shows that Republicans can win in swing areas despite these headwinds if they run smart campaigns. Georgia is now one of the most marginal states. Its Republican governor, Brian Kemp, signed a “fetal heartbeat” bill in 2019 that effectively banned abortion after six weeks of pregnancy. He faced a rematch last year with a nationally prominent Democrat in Stacey Abrams, who raised a massive $103 million for her bid. Kemp won by nearly eight points despite those factors, winning both independents and the suburban vote, according to exit polling.

Democrats also cannot expect the turnout they achieved in Wisconsin to carry over into general elections. Statewide turnout in the race was 55.8 percent of the 2020 presidential total. That number was significantly higher in most Democratic counties, reaching as high as 69.7 percent in Dane County, home of the state capital and the ultraprogressive University of Wisconsin-Madison. Turnout in the rural and small city counties carried by both Trump and Kelly, by contrast, was a mere 53.6 percent. So, it’s clear that Democrats were much more motivated to vote than Republicans.

But Republicans will likely get reinforcements in the 2024 election. Voter studies show that voting propensity rises with education. Since Democrats have become essentially the party of the college-educated, this means they have the turnout advantage in midterm election years. But that advantage fades in presidential years when non-college-educated voters are likelier to turn out. It’s not wise to simply extrapolate results from lower-turnout elections to presidential contests.

These nuances yield messages for both parties. Democrats would be wise to continue their focus on abortion rights, since it energizes their voters and donors. And Republican candidates can take a strong pro-life position depending on their state or district, but they cannot be defined by it. National leaders should resist any effort to make abortion a federal issue and allow their local candidates craft positions best suited for their electorates.

The abortion issue likely helps Democrats on the margin today, but it’s not the magic bullet many think it is. Recognizing that and keeping their cool is the best way Republicans can move forward.
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The older I get...death in any form is different then when I was younger...we used to hunt almost everyday in high-school...college maybe 1/3 as much? Then deer season every year...ground hogs, crows and RATS were full on targets every day in high-school, anytime ...any day...

Now , nothing for 25+ yrs...(one deer?)
Human life is a whole nother story...

I hit a Robin flying across the road on saturday...it bummed me out...I watch those starving kid commercials or those abused pet commercials and they bum me out big time...

The only thing about die hard ultra pro-lifers that bugs me...is who the f#ck is gonna raise all these thousands upon thousands of unwanted pregnancy kids popping out of young unmarried womens??
They never seem to provide an answer to that...

It is what it is...
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Appeals Court Allows Abortion Pill to Remain on Market With Restrictions


WSJ

A federal appeals court issued an order that temporarily allows a widely used abortion pill to remain on the market but imposes restrictions that are likely to significantly alter its use.

The 42-page order issued by the New Orleans-based Fifth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals late Wednesday in effect returns restrictions on the drug to what they were before 2016, when the pill could only be used up to about seven weeks of pregnancy, required three in-person doctor’s visits and couldn’t be sent to patients through the mail.

The three-judge panel seemed skeptical of the plaintiffs’ challenge to the drug’s initial 2000 approval, but were more persuaded by arguments that the U.S. Food and Drug Administration had failed to properly scrutinize more recent changes that loosened access to the drug.

The plaintiffs—antiabortion medical associations and individual doctors—had argued that even though their challenge to the drug’s 2000 approval appeared to be time-barred by the statute of limitations, the FDA had essentially reset the clock by making subsequent changes.

Mifepristone is used in more than half of abortions around the country.

The appellate panel wasn’t persuaded by this argument, at least for now. “Although a close call, we are unsure at this preliminary juncture and after truncated review that FDA reopened the 2000 Approval” with those subsequent changes, the court said.

However, the court said it appeared that the FDA had failed to examine the relevant data when it loosened restrictions on the drug in 2016, including allowing the pill to be used up to about 10 weeks of pregnancy. The judges said the agency relied on studies that included some of the restrictions that it was eliminating. “This ostrich’s-head-in-the-sand approach is deeply troubling,” wrote the judges, who were all appointed by Republican presidents.

The judges’ ruling isn’t the final word in the case and they said they were scheduling the case for oral arguments on the next available date.

The Justice Department had asked for the appeals court to rule on its request for a stay by Thursday afternoon, so the administration would have enough time to seek intervention from the Supreme Court if necessary.

White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said Thursday, “We are going to continue to fight in the courts. We believe the law is on our side and we will prevail.”

The pill, known as mifepristone, is used in more than half of abortions in the United States. U.S. District Judge Matthew Kacsmaryk in Amarillo, Texas, ruled last Friday that the FDA had improperly approved the drug in 2000 under a pathway used for medications to treat life-threatening illnesses and had failed to adequately assess its safety. He put his ruling on hold for a week to give the parties an opportunity to appeal.

The case has captured nationwide attention over its potential to upend the abortion landscape even in places such as New York and California where the procedure remains legal.

Dozens of parties filed amicus briefs this week, including more than 300 members of Congress, 55 former high-ranking Justice Department officials, and Democratic and Republican state attorneys general. A coalition of pharmaceutical and biotech companies—including Pfizer Inc. and Gilead Sciences Inc.—filed a brief that said allowing the Texas judge’s ruling to stand would harm drug development and patients broadly.

The possibility that the pill could be yanked from the market has set off a scramble among Democratic governors to try to protect access. States including New York, California, Massachusetts and Washington have announced plans to stockpile abortion drugs. But other Democrats unhappy with the judge’s decision have said they believe such moves could prove counterproductive.

“I sometimes worry that if people keep talking about stockpiling there will be a rush for all these drugs and it will drive up prices for everybody,” said Connecticut Gov. Ned Lamont, who said he wants to maintain access in his state.
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rfenst wrote:
Dozens of parties filed amicus briefs this week, including more than 300 members of Congress, 55 former high-ranking Justice Department officials, and Democratic and Republican state attorneys general. A coalition of pharmaceutical and biotech companies—including Pfizer Inc. and Gilead Sciences Inc.—filed a brief that said allowing the Texas judge’s ruling to stand would harm drug development and patients broadly.


What's the worst that could happen? Git yer boostahs!!!! Jab up, pills down!!!
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DrMaddVibe wrote:


What's the worst that could happen? Git yer boostahs!!!! Jab up, pills down!!!


This coalition of pharmaceutical and biotech companies is more interested in profits over people I think.
LEFTY should be mad but no, they like killin' youngin's more.
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