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Brewha Offline
#51 Posted:
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And…he runs for the topic like someone was chasing him with a bazooka.
That fired spiders….
DrMaddVibe Offline
#52 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
And…he runs for the topic like someone was chasing him with a bazooka.
That fired spiders….



I was commenting that your last post was easily fodder broken down into dust. You cling to it though. But this post^^^


ROTHFLMAO!!!!!!
Brewha Offline
#53 Posted:
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Uh….I’m not sure you know what “fodder” is, oh master of the metaphor….
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#54 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
Uh….I’m not sure you know what “fodder” is, oh master of the metaphor….


You really are an idiot.
Brewha Offline
#55 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
You really are an idiot.

Yeah??

Well, you just leave my fodder out of this!
ZRX1200 Offline
#56 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
So if Braggs is stretching the law, don't the ends justify the means?

I think a President should be held to the highest standards - don't you?



This is pretty much the biggest problem in politics.
Brewha Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
This is pretty much the biggest problem in politics.

I would say the biggest problem is that so many Americans believe that no part of government - law enforcement, legislative, executive, hell even NASA, cannot be trusted as they are all hopelessly politically corrupt.

No wonder some crave a dictator.
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#58 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
Yeah??

Well, you just leave my fodder out of this!


Or what??? You'll choke yourself???

Applause
ZRX1200 Offline
#59 Posted:
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Tell me how they’ve earned respect?

They’re out of control. Administrative law is out of control. Congress delegates powers, we don’t have co-equal branches and people are ignoring the constitution.

Yes Houston we have a problem.

Ends justify the means leads us right back to the worst chapter in our nation’s history.
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#60 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
I would say the biggest problem is that so many Americans believe that no part of government - law enforcement, legislative, executive, hell even NASA, cannot be trusted as they are all hopelessly politically corrupt.

No wonder some crave a dictator.


Gavin Newsom for Emperor.
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#61 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
I would say the biggest problem is that so many Americans believe that no part of government - law enforcement, legislative, executive, hell even NASA, cannot be trusted as they are all hopelessly politically corrupt.

No wonder some crave a dictator.


The problem is that most government organizations ARE corrupt. They don't represent the people that they are supposed to serve. Most government officials are glorified prostitutes and are in the business to feather their own nest and don't really care about the common man. Government positions were not meant to be profession that lasted decades or a family bloodline (exhibit 1, the Kennedy's).

Fact not opinion.

Government "of the people, by the people, for the people..." has been bastardized. PACs and special interest groups with the means to float money to our elected officials run the show. The elected, and non elected government officials (cough, cough exhibit #2 Fauci) eat it up for money, power, and influence.
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Brewha wrote:
So….is any charge against Trump a witch hunt, as he is incapable of committing a crime?

And the Grand Jury - political pawns?





Because just from TODAY’S news:

Four investigations

On the national level. The Department of Justice has appointed a special counsel to look into two broad areas: the classified documents found at his Florida estate Mar-a-Lago and efforts to interfere with the 2020 election.

In New York state. The New York attorney general is behind a civil lawsuit alleging the Trump Organization lied to lenders and insurers about its assets.

In Georgia. The district attorney in Fulton County, Georgia, is considering charges surrounding efforts by the former president and his allies to overturn the 2020 election there.

In New York City. The Manhattan district attorney has been working with a grand jury on whether Trump hid payments that were hush money to silence Stephanie Clifford, aka Stormy Daniels, about an alleged affair with Trump.


1) Seems classified docs have been found at the homes of others. Real simple. Prosecute all or none. As far as interfering with the election, bring it on. That was what 2 1/2 years ago. If there was any solid proof then there has been ample time to make a case.

2) The Trump Organization is a buisness entity which exists on paper only. Is there any proof that Trump had an active part in this? Again this has been ongoing for quite some time. I suspect if credible proof existed Trump had played an active role in said deception then we would know about it by now.

3) See 1) above.

4) Like a dog with a bone. Can’t let it go even though there is no credible evidence years later.

I don’t like Trump. Shutter at the thought of him launching another bid for the Whitehouse. But, as long as the Dems continue to attempt to shoehorn him with ridiculous criminal charges he’ll have a base who follows him like a pack of rabid dogs.
ZRX1200 Offline
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Biden told a reporter while AT PENN ST that he didn’t have any classified documents. They were in the other room, paid for by the Chinese Communist government. And also in his garage….by his vette
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#64 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Biden told a reporter while AT PENN ST that he didn’t have any classified documents. They were in the other room, paid for by the Chinese Communist government. And also in his garage….by his vette



He also told multiple reporters multiple times he had no part of Hunter's business dealings too.


Oooops.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/chinese-american-bank-willingly-provided-biden-family-financial-records-gop-senator

But let's all talk about these salacious crimes that Trump paid for a whore that signed a letter she never had a relationship with campaign cash through a rat faced "fixer" that cannot tie his own shoes!

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#65 Posted:
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If there is probable cause of egregious tax fraud/cheating/non-payment or true financial fraud crimes leading to lender loss, charge him.

But, IIRC the charges being contemplated By NY are for misdemeanors. No jail time, just pay any fines and repay all fraud losses proven.

No one wants to have to see a former President indicted.

He should just put this all to bed with a deal he can live with.
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Robert, why would he make a deal when the charges are past the statute of limitations? Does a good lawyer take that deal or bill more hours.
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#67 Posted:
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BuckyB93 wrote:
The problem is that most government organizations ARE corrupt. They don't represent the people that they are supposed to serve. Most government officials are glorified prostitutes and are in the business to feather their own nest and don't really care about the common man. Government positions were not meant to be profession that lasted decades or a family bloodline (exhibit 1, the Kennedy's).

Fact not opinion.

Government "of the people, by the people, for the people..." has been bastardized. PACs and special interest groups with the means to float money to our elected officials run the show. The elected, and non elected government officials (cough, cough exhibit #2 Fauci) eat it up for money, power, and influence.


We all know that there is corruption in government, business, and even school counsels.

But to take the tact that “government is corrupt” puts us in a bad spot - and this is what I am talking about.
I saw corruption during the Nixon administration, but would not have said the government is corrupt.

The problem I see is people throwing out the baby with the bathwater; NOAA (they do the f*cking weather) has been accused of political corruption, due to there reporting of atmospherics observations relative to pollution. Which is unpopular with some.

If we say that most of the government is corrupt, where does that leave us?
Arguing that some acts of the FBI are corrupt or politically motivated is fair. We need tot be vigilant about corruption.
But to think the FBI in general corrupt is another matter.

So - if no agency can be trusted - who do you trust? What information is true?
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Abrignac wrote:
1) Seems classified docs have been found at the homes of others. Real simple. Prosecute all or none. As far as interfering with the election, bring it on. That was what 2 1/2 years ago. If there was any solid proof then there has been ample time to make a case.

2) The Trump Organization is a buisness entity which exists on paper only. Is there any proof that Trump had an active part in this? Again this has been ongoing for quite some time. I suspect if credible proof existed Trump had played an active role in said deception then we would know about it by now.

3) See 1) above.

4) Like a dog with a bone. Can’t let it go even though there is no credible evidence years later.

I don’t like Trump. Shutter at the thought of him launching another bid for the Whitehouse. But, as long as the Dems continue to attempt to shoehorn him with ridiculous criminal charges he’ll have a base who follows him like a pack of rabid dogs.


Pretty sure that’s not how the law works. Prosecutors weigh many things when they decide to indict.
Guess that makes them all corrupt (?).
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Robert, why would he make a deal when the charges are past the statute of limitations? Does a good lawyer take that deal or bill more hours.
There is usually no sol for fraud. And winning can sometimes be more expensive and self-damaging.
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Opinion: Has the Statute of Limitations Run Out on the Stormy Daniels Payment? Depends How You Count

Newsweek

AHARON SCHRIEBER , FORMER ASSISTANT DISTRICT ATTORNEY IN NEW YORK CITY

The Manhattan District Attorney's Office appears increasingly close to obtaining an indictment of former President Donald Trump over an alleged 2016 payment made to porn star Stormy Daniels. Trump was reportedly invited to testify before a grand jury, usually a sign that an indictment is coming, and over the weekend, Trump wrote on social media platform Truth Social that he expects to be arrested and called for protests.

New York's police spent the early part of this week preparing for a raucous showdown. But it may have been premature. The grand jury might hear from a witness who called into question DA Alvin Bragg's main witness, Trump's former lawyer Michael Cohen.

More importantly, potential criminal charges could be subject to dismissal due to New York's laws regarding statute of limitations for criminal offenses.

New York's Criminal Procedure Law establishes that the statute of limitations is two years for misdemeanors and five years for felonies, barring exceptions for certain heinous crimes like rape or murder. While it is not public knowledge exactly which charges Trump faces, it is expected that all charges are either non-violent felonies or misdemeanors, meaning that unless DA Bragg's office is able to indict Trump for a crime that took place in March of 2018 or later, Trump's alleged crimes are barred from prosecution under the statute of limitations.

Assuming that Trump is only under investigation for the alleged payment to Stormy Daniels, which took place in October of 2016, it seems all but certain that Trump can't be prosecuted, even if he committed the crime, due to untimeliness of the legal action.

Now, New York law does identify a couple of ways to stop the statute of limitations clock. If the defendant was continuously outside New York state or if the defendant's whereabouts were "continuously unknown and continuously unascertainable by the exercise of reasonable diligence," then the clock is tolled. While Trump's whereabouts were pretty much continuously known since the alleged payment to Stormy Daniels was made, as president, Trump was primarily living in Washington D.C. and spent considerable time in Florida as well.

Bragg and his office will no doubt argue that Trump was outside New York's prosecutorial jurisdiction for years following his alleged crime, and therefore the clock should have been stopped.

But a lot hinges on the word "continuous." Plainly read, the word seems to mean that the defendant would have to spend each and every day over a period of time outside of New York. And it's tough to see how this applies to Trump; after all, even while serving as president, Trump spent time at his New York home and until autumn of 2019 maintained his residence as New York.

Trump would easily counter argue that he never was continuously outside of New York and that the clock kept running throughout his time as presidency, making whatever crimes he is alleged to have committed time-barred from prosecution under New York law. But in 1999, New York's highest court, The New York Court of Appeals, clarified that the reason behind the exception to the statute of limitations it the difficulty to apprehend a criminal offender who is outside of the state. On this interpretation, the word "continuous" doesn't mean a single uninterrupted period of time but a tally of all the days put together.

By this logic, even though the alleged crime took place more than five years ago, Trump could still be prosecuted, as the limitations clock would have stopped multiple times whenever he left New York.

What this all boils down to is this: Whether or not Trump can be prosecuted could come down to a simple calculation of days that he was legally subject to apprehension for his offenses. Trumps defense team will point towards his continued residency in New York State during his presidency, and that he still spent considerable periods of time in New York even once declaring himself a resident a Florida. The prosecution will counter that Trump has ceased to live in New York once he assumed office as president, and since leaving office has lived as a resident in Florida. The prosecution might further argue that Trump's entire four-year presidential term should be subtracted from the clock. Justice Alito even noted in his Trump v. Vance dissent that this might be a valid interpretation of New York law.

The best case scenario for the prosecution is that the clock has been stopped ever since Trump assumed office on January 20, 2017. But, Trump may have a solid argument that the statute of limitations has indeed expired. Trump will note that even as president, he was still a New York resident from approximately October 2016 until October 2019, meaning at least three years of the clock has already run off. Next, in accordance with the rules set forth by The Court of Appeals, he will have to show that since maintaining residency in Florida he has still spent two plus years actually physically present in New York State. If he can successfully do that, then Trump might be able to argue that legally he is barred from being prosecuted for the Stormy Daniels payment, regardless of whether he committed an illegal act or not.

A more immediate problem for the government could come if it is unable to obtain a felony indictment. If DA Bragg can only move forward on misdemeanor charges, which afford only two years of time under the statute, it seems all but certain that the statute of limitations clock has run out.







This is the current SOL scenario explained very well.
As a retired civil lawyer and former prosecutor intern, I get both sides. SOL issues can often be complex and undeterminable by a party.
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An even larger elephant looms in the room. I can’t for the life of me understand why any male politician D or R want to see this through. Once the cat is out of the bag it can’t be returned.

I bet there are hundreds if not thousands of politicians who are scared chitless. Now that we are in the age of weaponized elected offices how many other politicians will be outed for having paid whores to keep quiet about their indiscretions?

Pass the Popcorn
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#72 Posted:
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#70 rfenst excellent post

#71 Abrignac
I know on famous person you scenario does not effect...

Tiger Woods
Had a girlfriend for 5-6 yrs who lived with him...prolly fed her lie upon lie ( aLLeDgEdLy) then after six yrs he got tired of her bull****...now the gash is suing him for $30? Million?

Cheaper to hire a whore or several whores...that does not cost $30 million...no way..
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Mr. Jones wrote:
Cheaper to hire a whore or several whores...that does not cost $30 million...no way..

I have a very well-off friend who spends $3,000/month being a sugar daddy to two college whores. He gets laid five times per month from each. I don't get why he plays the game like that, although they are rather hot. I could not ever do that. Sick
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Abrignac wrote:
An even larger elephant looms in the room. I can’t for the life of me understand why any male politician D or R want to see this through. Once the cat is out of the bag it can’t be returned.

I bet there are hundreds if not thousands of politicians who are scared chitless. Now that we are in the age of weaponized elected offices how many other politicians will be outed for having paid whores to keep quiet about their indiscretions?

Pass the Popcorn

I don't think voters on either side like candidates and elected officials who pay for it.
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rfenst wrote:
I have a very well-off friend who spends $3,000/month being a sugar daddy to two college whores. He gets laid five times per month from each. I don't get why he plays the game like that, although they are rather hot. I could not ever do that. Sick


He didn't even offer you sloppy seconds? Some friend he is. Not talking
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NEW YORK, March 30 (Reuters) - Donald Trump has been indicted by a Manhattan grand jury after a probe into hush money paid to porn star Stormy Daniels, becoming the first former U.S. president to face criminal charges even as he makes another run for the White House, the New York Times reported on Thursday.

Film at 11….
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#77 Posted:
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Biden knew... just sayin.. Mellow
Brewha Offline
#78 Posted:
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Maybe the Grand Jury was using Dominion voting machines……

LOL
ZRX1200 Offline
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When both sides show this lack of restraint we will have a tipping point and we will never be the same.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
When both sides show this lack of restraint we will have a tipping point and we will never be the same.

Tell us of the corrupt and dishonest Grand Jury -

All Jury’s are corrupt and political - right?
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You can indict a ham sandwich. Ever hear that one before?

I’m not going to engage anymore when you refuse to see the forest through the trees.
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Brewha wrote:
Maybe the Grand Jury was using Dominion voting machines……

LOL



They were supposed to be Cuban.. Mellow
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#83 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
They were supposed to be Cuban.. Mellow

that's it...we're going on the road.
I have to share your comic genius wif da rest of da world!
rfenst Offline
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Brewha wrote:
Maybe the Grand Jury was using Dominion voting machines……LOL


That is f'ing funny as $hit!
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Ready Frank.. all expenses paid right..?? Huh
DrafterX Offline
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I think I'm gonna need a learjet... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#87 Posted:
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done...and done.
DrafterX Offline
#88 Posted:
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For tax purposes we can say we're using it to find CROS... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
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you, sir, are like a genius!
and good wif numbahs to boot.
Brewha Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
You can indict a ham sandwich. Ever hear that one before?

I’m not going to engage anymore when you refuse to see the forest through the trees.

It’s been good talking through the years Z.

Enjoy the morels - I hear they are great.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
You can indict a ham sandwich. Ever hear that one before?

I’m not going to engage anymore when you refuse to see the forest through the trees.


Its prolly the fart car that has him distracted.
RayR Offline
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Brewha wrote:
Tell us of the corrupt and dishonest Grand Jury -

All Jury’s are corrupt and political - right?



That's right, the jury must have been chosen for their lack of intelligence and malleability. That's how it works in Communist countries.

Not only that, but somebody committed a crime in the George Soros-funded Manhattan DA's office weeks ago by leaking information. Will someone be indicted for that? Prolly not.
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Pelosi wrote. "No one is above the law, and everyone has the right to a trial to prove innocence."
Think
RayR Offline
#94 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
Pelosi wrote. "No one is above the law, and everyone has the right to a trial to prove innocence."
Think


Does that apply to the Biden Crime Family? Prolly not.
RayR Offline
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Also out of the Lizard People Echo Chamber...

WHAT A JOKE: Chuck Schumer Claims Trump ‘is subject to the same laws as every American’

By Mike LaChance Mar. 30, 2023

Quote:
In response to the Trump indictment, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer is saying that Trump is subject to the same laws as everyone else.

This has become a Democrat talking point. How many times have you heard Democrats say no one is above the law?

It’s a total lie. If it was true, Pelosi, Hillary, Biden and countless other Democrats would already be in jail.

More...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/03/what-a-joke-chuck-schumer-claims-trump-is-subject-to-the-same-laws-as-every-american/


I concur.
Brewha Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Its prolly the fart car that has him distracted.

Happens more than you think…
Brewha Offline
#97 Posted:
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Bragg: Knock, knock.

Trump: Who’s there?

Bragg: Joe.

Trump: Joe who?

Bragg: Joe assisgointojail
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When I was in the service we had pilots that were on flying status till the day they retired, then they were 100% disabled. I think Joe will be competent till the day after the next election, then he'll be mentally unfit to assist in his defense.
Mr. Jones Offline
#99 Posted:
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Sooooooo

What's the verdict???

Is he staying at TRUMP TOWERS TILL THIS IS SETTLED?

I FRIGGIN HOPE SO...

EVERYTIME THAT GOOFY OLD MUSHROOM DEEEK HEAD LEAVES MAR A LAGO IT COSTS THE U.S. TAXPAYER MILLIONS OF DOLLARS...LITERALLY MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS...

HE AINT WORTH IT...

STAY PUT DEEEK HEAD ...TILL THIS IS OVER...
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#100 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
Maybe the Grand Jury was using Dominion voting machines……

LOL


No voting machine here, I am sorry you are so hung up on them.

Now regarding the Grand Jury voting to indict, that was a forgone conclusion. Considering have vicious and violent Democrats are, if one of the jurors voted to not indict, their names would probably be leaked and the juror or jurors could expect to be attacked and their home or homes firebombed. There was virtually zero chance that they would have voted not to indict.
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