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bgz Offline
#51 Posted: Sun, Jul 17 2022, 1:35 PM EST
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Dg west deptford wrote:
Where do you get morality without faith?


It was a stretch, but is it not accurate?
Dg west deptford Offline
#52 Posted: Sun, Jul 17 2022, 2:24 PM EST
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to even begin arguing against my position, you must abandon your position.
bgz Offline
#53 Posted: Sun, Jul 17 2022, 2:32 PM EST
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Dg west deptford wrote:
to even begin arguing against my position, you must abandon your position.


You always say stuff that makes no sense what so ever.

This I gotta hear.
Dg west deptford Offline
#54 Posted: Sun, Jul 17 2022, 2:49 PM EST
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Is there sense arguing logically with you?

Is that your justification for knowledge & morality?

We could also sit here & argue whether or not the moon is made of green cheese, but since neither of us believe that
it would be a waste of time.


Even your strawman refutes you
bgz Offline
#55 Posted: Sun, Jul 17 2022, 3:19 PM EST
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Dg west deptford wrote:
Is there sense arguing logically with you?

Is that your justification for knowledge & morality?

We could also sit here & argue whether or not the moon is made of green cheese, but since neither of us believe that
it would be a waste of time.


Even your strawman refutes you



In your frame of reference does logical mean that I actually believe in Jesus, but I am saying I do not because what you see as a strawman is actual an inevitable extension of logic that you claim to utilize so resourcefully?

Ok, you twisted me in a circle... logic.
Whistlebritches Offline
#56 Posted: Sun, Jul 17 2022, 3:25 PM EST
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bgz wrote:


I don't consider a fetus to be sentient.

It's almost as if you think a deity is a requirement for morality.



You don't........... I believe a little research will reveal the majority of this country does

It is..........where do you think morality originated???
Dg west deptford Offline
#57 Posted: Sun, Jul 17 2022, 3:31 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
In your frame of reference does logical mean that I actually believe in Jesus, but I am saying I do not because what you see as a strawman is actual an inevitable extension of logic that you claim to utilize so resourcefully?

Ok, you twisted me in a circle... logic.


Well in atheism there is the implied claim that knowledge can be justified without God, and you have demonstrated that it can’t by abandoning atheism to make your argument.

You're ok I'll help you catch up

Answer whistles question
bgz Offline
#58 Posted: Sun, Jul 17 2022, 4:06 PM EST
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Dg west deptford wrote:
Well in atheism there is the implied claim that knowledge can be justified without God, and you have demonstrated that it can’t by abandoning atheism to make your argument.


Now you're just making sh*t up... there's a lot wrong with that statement.

1. You would have to define knowledge... and I would dispute your definition of it... because your definition would depend on some fundamentalness to the notion of absolute truth...

2. From that you say we have an implied claim of "knowledge" as mentioned above being "justified" without "God"...

WTF? That doesn't even make any sense at all. I have to attack that by saying knowledge in of itself needs no justification... you're implying that a supreme deity is necessary for even the concept of knowledge to exist...

That's out there dawg.

Dg west deptford wrote:

You're ok I'll help you catch up


3. Am I about to lap you again?

Dg west deptford wrote:

Answer whistles question


4. You expect me to believe Ron researches anything?

All I need to falsify Ron's asking of where morality comes from where he's implying it come from God who instilled it into Adam and Eve... is to give an example to the contrary.

Tyrannosaurs Rex... pack animal, predates stupid bald monkeys by millions of years...

Evidence suggests they hunted in packs. I'm guessing it was immoral to eat each other.

T-Rexes pre-date God... which didn't exist till we created it.

So I'm going to go with "not God" as my final answer.
Whistlebritches Offline
#59 Posted: Sun, Jul 17 2022, 5:12 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
Now you're just making sh*t up... there's a lot wrong with that statement.



4. You expect me to believe Ron researches anything?

All I need to falsify Ron's asking of where morality comes from where he's implying it come from God who instilled it into Adam and Eve... is to give an example to the contrary.

Tyrannosaurs Rex... pack animal, predates stupid bald monkeys by millions of years...

Evidence suggests they hunted in packs. I'm guessing it was immoral to eat each other.

T-Rexes pre-date God... which didn't exist till we created it.

So I'm going to go with "not God" as my final answer.



Believe what you want Buckwheat............

O ye of little faith
Dg west deptford Offline
#60 Posted: Sun, Jul 17 2022, 6:38 PM EST
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So ... your justification for morality comes from the pack?

A pack of old lizards to be precise.
bgz Offline
#61 Posted: Sun, Jul 17 2022, 9:16 PM EST
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Dg west deptford wrote:
So ... your justification for morality comes from the pack?

A pack of old lizards to be precise.



Uh... No... I just said the lizards came before God... Cause we made God, we didn't discover it.
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#62 Posted: Sun, Jul 17 2022, 11:33 PM EST
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Stogie1020 wrote:
Frank, I appreciate your point of view more often than I mention aloud in posts. I used those examples of clear hyperbole because, while I am sure the majority of the people receiving abortions have a significant moral dilemma, they have allowed their cause to be spearheaded by vocal proponents being the public face of the pro-choice movement who are the hyperboles, the extremes.

I think this point furthers my argument that if the pro-choice movement had said "ok, enough" and not pushed for things like federal funding, late term procedures, etc. There likely would not have been a major backlash. The pro- choice movement shot for the moon but their rocket exploded. Kind of.

I hear all of what you say, but I am on vacation and this discussion might fade away without me giving it the full attention and respect it deserves...sorry.
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#63 Posted: Mon, Jul 18 2022, 5:28 AM EST
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Ok, now you take it back, you don't get your morality from a pack of lizards.

I'll let you try again

Justify your morality

The reason you're stuck is Morality makes no sense without God.

If humans are merely evolved bags of primordial soup what one bag does to another bag is neither moral nor immoral, it just is.

Furthermore

Truth makes no sense without God. If thoughts are merely the result of electrochemical reactions in evolved brains they are neither true or false, they just are.

You could be wrong about everything you think you know

bgz Offline
#64 Posted: Mon, Jul 18 2022, 8:57 AM EST
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Dg west deptford wrote:
Ok, now you take it back, you don't get your morality from a pack of lizards.


WTF? Your reading comprehension is trash... and dinosaurs weren't lizards... they were dinosaurs.

Dg west deptford wrote:

I'll let you try again

Justify your morality


Natural evolution of our development... we as a species uses cooperation to succeed... if you are going to cooperate, you better have some rules.


Dg west deptford wrote:

The reason you're stuck is Morality makes no sense without God.

If humans are merely evolved bags of primordial soup what one bag does to another bag is neither moral nor immoral, it just is.


I don't believe "Morality(TM)" is baked into the fundamental nature of the universe. That's just absurd...

You are correct about one thing though... events intrinsically are not moral or immoral... events don't have a morality attribute to we assign one to the event.

Just like God, our Morals are ours and ours alone... because we made them... without us, they do not exist.

Now some other species might have their own set of morals... but they would not be the same as ours.

There's nothing that makes your morality special over another beings morality.

There's nothing that makes you special.

There's nothing that makes us special except we are the current alpha predator on this planet.

Dg west deptford wrote:

Furthermore

Truth makes no sense without God. If thoughts are merely the result of electrochemical reactions in evolved brains they are neither true or false, they just are.

You could be wrong about everything you think you know



I could be wrong about some beliefs in the way the universe works(in fact... I'm sure there's gaps in our collective knowledge)... but areas of hypotheticals... I base hypotheticals on what's already known, you just ignore it all and say... God did it...

You are almost certainly wrong in your beliefs... countless 9s of improbability, to where if you stretched them out on a strip of paper around the earth in normal size font... the paper would lap itself multiple times... Just due to Bayesian reasoning alone...

Your hypothesis has already been destroyed, most high level thinkers already know this... even if they are religious. The strong thinkers among us are careful in what we proclaim due to wanting to be as accurate as possible...

You and your ilk just proclaim... without reason, without logic... then claim your beliefs are of logic.

Illogical.
RayR Offline
#65 Posted: Mon, Jul 18 2022, 9:31 AM EST
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You sound MAD Ben.

I heard dinosaurs were birds.🦖🦕
...and lizard people have no morals.🦎
bgz Offline
#66 Posted: Mon, Jul 18 2022, 10:05 AM EST
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Mad... you've been lying to me!


Lizard people are actually bird people.
Dg west deptford Offline
#67 Posted: Mon, Jul 18 2022, 5:39 PM EST
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bgz wrote:



Natural evolution of our development... we as a species uses cooperation to succeed... if you are going to cooperate, you better have some rules.


Sorry about my reading compression Ben,
Does the above knowledge claim mean you get your morality from corporate lizards?



bgz wrote:
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You are correct about one thing though... events intrinsically are not moral or immoral... events don't have a morality attribute to we assign one to the event.

Just like God, our Morals are ours and ours alone... because we made them... without us, they do not exist.





There's nothing that makes your morality special over another beings morality.


Are these absolute, universal truths?


bgz wrote:

I could be wrong about some beliefs in the way the universe works(in fact... I'm sure there's gaps in our collective knowledge)... but areas of hypotheticals... I base hypotheticals on what's already known, you just ignore it all and say... God did it...



You're knowledge claims are based on your senses, memory & reason.

So how do you reconcile your senses, memory & reason with your fallibity?
(I'll help you)
Using your senses, memory & reason to validate your senses, memory & reason is known as circular reasoning.


The claim that anyone is wrong without an absolute standard of truth?


If truth is arbitrary than claims that refute your worldview could not be wrong

Your strawmen expose contradictions in your source of knowledge & refute you.

Your hypotheticals would make sense in other instances but we are talking about the necessary starting point to make sense of argumentation, so it would not make sense to argue from a position that you don’t hold.

You could be wrong about everything you think you know

horse
bgz Offline
#68 Posted: Mon, Jul 18 2022, 6:38 PM EST
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So you are absolutely certain your world view is universally true?

For the record... Just so you know...

True == universal true == absolutely true


They mean the same thing, you just try to make it sound all woowooey...
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#69 Posted: Mon, Jul 18 2022, 9:33 PM EST
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Alright, now I can go through and try to decipher this woo of yours.

Dg west deptford wrote:
Sorry about my reading compression Ben,
Does the above knowledge claim mean you get your morality from corporate lizards?


Sure... you seem to be prone to believe in some pretty off the wall sh*t, so ya... go with that.

Dg west deptford wrote:

Are these absolute, universal truths?


The stuff about actions no being fundamentally moral or immoral?

Yes, that is true.

The part about the notion of God (capital G) didn't exist until we made him. Consider that on our first attempt, we attributed greatness to many gods (little g). The consolidation from polytheism to monotheism was a great stride in humanity, because it meant we got to spend less time praying!!!

Amen to that... oh, and that part was true too.


Dg west deptford wrote:

You're knowledge claims are based on your senses, memory & reason.

So how do you reconcile your senses, memory & reason with your fallibity?


wtf?!?!?...

Dg west deptford wrote:

(I'll help you)
Using your senses, memory & reason to validate your senses, memory & reason is known as circular reasoning.


Are you high on crack right now?


Dg west deptford wrote:

The claim that anyone is wrong without an absolute standard of truth?


Is that a statement or a question?

Dg west deptford wrote:

If truth is arbitrary than claims that refute your worldview could not be wrong


Yep... high on crack.

Dg west deptford wrote:

Your strawmen expose contradictions in your source of knowledge & refute you.


You're misusing the word strawman in this context. RayR gets it right... please don't copy RayR... he's a deflector, so he gets what he gets.

Dg west deptford wrote:

Your hypotheticals would make sense in other instances but we are talking about the necessary starting point to make sense of argumentation,


Yes... hypotheticals about the things we don't know... like what happened before the big bang?

Your answer... unequivocally, absolutely with universal certainty... God did it.

Personally, I like Roger Penrose's answer (ccc)... unfortunately it's hard as sh*t to explain to anyone. They just give you blank looks like you triggered a cluster bomb in their head. Admittedly, it's hard to explain because I don't fully understand all aspects of the theory... but I do understand it well enough that the reasoning behind it makes sense to me. Unfortunately... despite the wealth of information on it, I have my doubts that you would understand it with better teachers... for that you would have to have an open mind...

Another sample of what we don't know...

How to interpret the measurement problem of quantum mechanics... there are several interpretations... none of which includes the term "God did it".

Is space continuous or discrete?

Hmmm.... that's a tough one... I keep flip flopping on that one... but there's no room in your theology for flip flopping is there? There's no real room for free thought... quick, find a circle and say "God did it"... logic... see, it's a circle? Don't you get it? Truth!!!

Yes... I get it... circles are amazing, and if I believed in divinity, then a circle would certainly be worthy of being called divine... but I'm not, so I don't.

Dg west deptford wrote:

...so it would not make sense to argue from a position that you don’t hold.


You don't know me very well do you?

Dg west deptford wrote:

You could be wrong about everything you think you know

horse


Yep!!! But I'm less likely to be wrong than you... that's the important part here.
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#70 Posted: Mon, Jul 18 2022, 9:34 PM EST
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1. YES! For the record...so are you. You just deny it.

The FACT that you KNOW things to be TRUE proves you KNOW where morality comes from.

Contradictions amount to lieing, as opposing statements can't both be true. So stop contradicting yourself.

The FACT that you do KNOW things proves you do KNOW that God exists but are stealing your foundation for knowledge from Him.

Psalms 96:5 is your verse tonight. A truth you already know, so I hope you'll find it encouraging to your budding faith brother
bgz Offline
#71 Posted: Mon, Jul 18 2022, 9:42 PM EST
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Dg west deptford wrote:
1. YES! For the record...so are you. You just deny it.

The FACT that you KNOW things to be TRUE proves you KNOW where morality comes from.

Contradictions amount to lieing, as opposing statements can't both be true. So stop contradicting yourself.

The FACT that you do KNOW things proves you do KNOW that God exists but are stealing your foundation for knowledge from Him.

Psalms 96:5 is your verse tonight. A truth you already know, so I hope you'll find it encouraging to your budding faith brother


Morality has nothing to do with facts... like, zero, zilch, nada, nope... nice try.

How did I contradict myself? Please be specific... and for your sake, I hope it's a valid contradiction, because it's only going to further validate my dg on crack hypothesis.

And... how exactly does me knowing things prove that I "know" that God (big G) exists...

WTF?!?!?!

Dude... YOU ARE HIGH ON CRACK!!!

That's my official hypothesis... prove me wrong.
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#72 Posted: Mon, Jul 18 2022, 9:43 PM EST
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^thought I was replying to 68

Didn't know about your foolishness in 69
My guess is you were sober in 68 & stoned in 69

Your slip is showing with your cowardly "high on crack" dodge.
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#73 Posted: Mon, Jul 18 2022, 10:03 PM EST
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Cowardly?

Ok charliebarr.

Seriously ... Go re-read some of the sentences you wrote
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#74 Posted: Mon, Jul 18 2022, 10:11 PM EST
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All I get from this is the forum is pro rape anchor baby
bgz Offline
#75 Posted: Mon, Jul 18 2022, 10:12 PM EST
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Major Boobage wrote:
All I get from this is the forum is pro rape anchor baby


We don't have any anchor babies for you to rape in here, gtfo.
Major Boobage Offline
#76 Posted: Mon, Jul 18 2022, 10:13 PM EST
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Damn. And I was just getting comfortable.
bgz Offline
#77 Posted: Mon, Jul 18 2022, 10:14 PM EST
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We got some old fat guys, will those do?
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#78 Posted: Mon, Jul 18 2022, 10:16 PM EST
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As an anchor? Probably. Unless they are so fat they float
Major Boobage Offline
#79 Posted: Mon, Jul 18 2022, 10:17 PM EST
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I hate fat people
bgz Offline
#80 Posted: Mon, Jul 18 2022, 11:02 PM EST
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Well... You should get along with RayR .. he hates people too!
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#81 Posted: Mon, Jul 18 2022, 11:05 PM EST
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I can already tell Ray is a pillow biting bed wetter that is missing a chromosome or two. But don’t tell him he still thinks he’s normal.
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#82 Posted: Mon, Jul 18 2022, 11:06 PM EST
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And I like people. I just don’t like Ray. But that does not contradict the fact that I like people.
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#83 Posted: Mon, Jul 18 2022, 11:10 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
Well... You should get along with RayR .. he hates people too!


I only hate lizard people.
You hate babies.
bgz Offline
#84 Posted: Tue, Jul 19 2022, 6:26 AM EST
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RayR wrote:
I only hate lizard people.
You hate babies.


Now you're using the "think of the children" schtick?

Damn .. you have no shame.
Dg west deptford Offline
#85 Posted: Tue, Jul 19 2022, 4:48 PM EST
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Is shame something you get from your corporate lizards also?
bgz Offline
#86 Posted: Tue, Jul 19 2022, 4:57 PM EST
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Dg west deptford wrote:
Is shame something you get from your corporate lizards also?


Not sure, is that how you got yours?
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#87 Posted: Tue, Jul 19 2022, 6:17 PM EST
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Major Boobage wrote:
All I get from this is the forum is pro rape anchor baby



bgz wrote:
We don't have any anchor babies for you to rape in here, gtfo.



Ben this banter back and forth with yourself isn't healthy.Have you been experiencing this split personality disorder very long?Has it worsened since hitting the crack pipe harder these days?We're here to help Brother............admitting you have a problem is the first step to recovery.
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#88 Posted: Tue, Jul 19 2022, 6:26 PM EST
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I feel bad for laughing

I say let him have a shot at being someone else.

He screwed the pooch on his last guy.

How many lives do you get though?

I say we cap it at 3

Then you got pay each of us a quarter
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#89 Posted: Tue, Jul 19 2022, 7:05 PM EST
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Dg west deptford wrote:


He screwed the pooch on his last guy.


Where you from, brother?

I was told that expression was purely New England.
I didn't think it was.

Of course, if literal then it's born and bred right in KC with our pal TW.
But that's another story.
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bgz wrote:
Alright,


Sure... you seem to be prone to believe in some pretty off the wall sh*t, so ya... go with that.

Me-Justify morality yet? Or are you refuted?


The stuff about actions no being fundamentally moral or immoral?

Yes, that is true.

Me - You just refuted yourself. Go read your title to your post.

The part about the notion of God (capital G) didn't exist until we made him. Consider that on our first attempt, we attributed greatness to many gods (little g). The consolidation from polytheism to monotheism was a great stride in humanity, because it meant we got to spend less time praying!!!

Amen to that... oh, and that part was true too.

Me- ^Just blasphemy for foolishness sake.
& is that absolutely true or could you be wrong about everything you know?




wtf?!?!?...
Me- apologies I'm 5 steps ahead of you in this debate



Are you high on crack right now?
Me- Cowardly




Is that a statement or a question?

Me- Yes



Yep... high on crack.
Me - Now I suspect you're a mouth breather



You're misusing the word strawman in this context. RayR gets it right... please don't copy RayR... he's a deflector, so he gets what he gets.

Me- Ray loves you too Ben



Yes... hypotheticals about the things we don't know... like what happened before the big bang?

Me - Strawman alert.
At the risk of repeating myself, we are talking about the necessary starting point to make sense of argumentation.


Your answer... unequivocally, absolutely with universal certainty... God did it.

Me- "Before the mountains were born
Or You gave birth to the earth and the world,
Even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God."


The fact you know anything proves it.

Personally, I like Roger Penrose's answer (ccc)... unfortunately it's hard as sh*t to explain to anyone. They just give you blank looks like you triggered a cluster bomb in their head. Admittedly, it's hard to explain because I don't fully understand all aspects of the theory... but I do understand it well enough that the reasoning behind it makes sense to me. Unfortunately... despite the wealth of information on it, I have my doubts that you would understand it with better teachers... for that you would have to have an open mind...

Me- Roger Penrose sounds like a liar bit I can't tell because he didn't say anything besides "have an open mind"


Another sample of what we don't know...
Me- say it with me strawman alert ⚠️

How to interpret the measurement problem of quantum mechanics... there are several interpretations... none of which includes the term "God did it".

Me - I have answers you don't know about yet but the answers you already have you deny so... no soup

Is space continuous or discrete?
You don't know if you exist & you want me to tell you secrets?

Ok I'll give you a little taste read Isa 40:12

Hmmm.... that's a tough one... I keep flip flopping on that one... but there's no room in your theology for flip flopping is there?

Me- are contradictions valid in your reality?

There's no real room for free thought... quick, find a circle and say "God did it"... logic... see, it's a circle? Don't you get it? Truth!!!

Me - Pitiful . I'm just gonna put you out of your misery & call you refuted

Yes... I get it... circles are amazing, and if I believed in divinity, then a circle would certainly be worthy of being called divine... but I'm not, so I don't.





You don't know me very well do you?

Me- nope & yet more than you KNOW anything. Right?



Yep!!! But I'm less likely to be wrong than you... that's the important part here.

Me- there it is. Gentleman we have a winner! Speak clearly into the microphone & tell us again what is necessary to deny God.
The Yep!!! Is You could be wrong about everything.
You've reduced yourself to an absurdity that doesn't know anything.



bgz Offline
#91 Posted: Tue, Jul 19 2022, 7:46 PM EST
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Dg west deptford wrote:
...


God want's his tithings...

Times are a little tough right now... he needs a new car and his baby needs a new pair of shoes.

The only we he's going to get what he needs is from good people like you!
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#92 Posted: Mon, Jul 25 2022, 4:53 PM EST
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But, you could be wrong about that
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#93 Posted: Mon, Jul 25 2022, 5:57 PM EST
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I fairness, he does have a point.
Historically God has been very bad with money….
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#94 Posted: Mon, Jul 25 2022, 6:11 PM EST
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Money can't buy me love
Brewha Offline
#95 Posted: Mon, Jul 25 2022, 6:20 PM EST
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Maybe you just don’t have enough.




- Just kidding….
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#96 Posted: Mon, Jul 25 2022, 6:23 PM EST
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I'm just glad I'm confident like frank in that regard

But I digress
Brewha Offline
#97 Posted: Mon, Jul 25 2022, 6:25 PM EST
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I think they call that “political capital”
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#98 Posted: Mon, Jul 25 2022, 6:28 PM EST
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Tell us your justification for morality brew

It'd be helpful if very succinct
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#99 Posted: Mon, Jul 25 2022, 6:57 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
I fairness, he does have a point.
Historically God has been very bad with money….


What do you expect? His son did turn over the money changers’ tables.
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#100 Posted: Mon, Jul 25 2022, 6:59 PM EST
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When we are moral and do the right thing, we all win. Being moral benefits us and society as a whole - which benefits the individual.
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