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The Biden Recession
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Accenture, a Dublin-headquartered management and technology consulting firm, on Thursday said it will cut 19,000 jobs over the next 18 months.

The cuts represent 2.5% of the company’s global 738,000 employees, of which approximately 40% are located in India.

“These actions are expected to impact roughly 2.5% or 19,000 of our current workforce, of which over half are non-billable corporate functions and include over 800 of our leaders across our markets and services. Nearly half of the 19,000 people will depart by the end of fiscal year 23," CFO KC McClure told analysts during the Thursday earnings call.
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HockeyDad wrote:
Accenture, a Dublin-headquartered management and technology consulting firm, on Thursday said it will cut 19,000 jobs over the next 18 months.

The cuts represent 2.5% of the company’s global 738,000 employees, of which approximately 40% are located in India.

“These actions are expected to impact roughly 2.5% or 19,000 of our current workforce, of which over half are non-billable corporate functions and include over 800 of our leaders across our markets and services. Nearly half of the 19,000 people will depart by the end of fiscal year 23," CFO KC McClure told analysts during the Thursday earnings call.

So basically, the world is having/going to have a recession?
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#203 Posted:
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8trackdisco wrote:
Their programming over the last three years has been atrocious.
Now I listen to several hours in a row. I only turn it off if I hear one of a few words.

Racism
Black and or Brown people
LGBT etc.
Trigger, Triggering
Disenfranchised
Substance Abuse Disorder
Trump
drag show story hour
racist cops
underserved
social unrest
mostly peaceful
safe and effective

Am sure I'm missing a few.

More Happy News on NPR:

🌐 NPR cancels 4 podcasts amid mass layoffs : NPR
npr.org
› 2023 › 03 › 23 › 1165559810 › npr-layoffs-cancels-podcasts-invisibilia-rough-translation
1 day ago - Through the layoffs of about 100 people and the elimination of dozens of vacant positions, NPR intends to cut back its workforce from approximately 1,200 to about 1,050 employees. The nonprofit network's layoffs represent its largest reduction in staff since the 2008 recession. "It's been emotional, I have to tell you that," said Pat O'Donnell, executive director of SAG-Aftra's Mid-Atlantic division.

🌐 NPR to Cut 100 Jobs - The Lancaster Patriot
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› npr-to-cut-100-jobs
March 23, 2023 in National News 0 NPR building. (David King/Flickr) NPR, the Washington, D.C.-based nonprofit media organization, announced last month that it will lay off approximately 10% of its current workforce.

🌐 NPR Talent In Solidarity As Layoffs Due By Friday - Radio Ink
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› home › news › headlines › npr talent in solidarity as layoffs due by friday
1 day ago - NPR announced 10% of staff would be cut by the week of March 20. With that week here, and almost over, many talent prepare for the worst.





https://chicksonright.com/blog/2023/03/27/npr-lays-off-10-of-workforce-as-msm-rendered-obsolete-by-destroying-their-own-credibility/
HockeyDad Offline
#204 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
So basically, the world is having/going to have a recession?


No. Accenture is firing consultants but McDonalds and a Taco Bell are hiring. People need to learn to fry.

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https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2023/03/what-is-a-rolling-recession-economy-news/

(World Economic Forum!)


When is a recession not a recession?

If that feels like a trick question, the answer – when it is rolling – also feels a bit tricksy.

Traditionally, in the US, recessions are defined by the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) as “a significant decline in economic activity that is spread across the economy and that lasts more than a few months”.

The difficulties of defining recession

Other rules of thumb include two consecutive quarters of falling real gross domestic product, but the NBER definition gives some leeway, so although the economy might be contracting and it might not feel very good to consumers, they may stop short of applying the recession label.

The other difficulty with those definitions is that they rely on different areas of the economy all contracting at roughly the same time. In other circumstances, individual sectors might all decline, just not at exactly the same moment.

Add the layers of uncertainty that are shaping the prospects at the moment – supply chains, war, inflation - and you get a decidedly cloudy outlook that’s subject to change. Last year, the World Economic Forum’s Chief Economists Outlook flagged the risk of a 2023 recession, as inflation choked global growth. By the time they convened for the Forum’s Annual Meeting in January, the mood had improved, with glimmers of hope and the International Monetary Fund (IMF) nudging up its 2023 growth forecast.

So what is a rolling recession?

“A rolling recession … is in progress,” Sung Won Sohn, professor of finance and economics at Loyola Marymount University, announced in February.

The uncertainty and uneven nature of what’s happening, particularly in the US, has given rise to the term rolling recession. Whereas a standard recession hits all sectors at approximately the same time, a rolling recession means some industries are contracting as others expand.

Sector-by-sector data seems to confirm this, with the S&P Global US Sector Purchasing Managers’ Index - a gauge that tracks output across seven US sectors - showing a mixed picture.

Business activity increased in three out of seven sectors during February, the data shows. While this was the highest since October 2022, the picture is mixed with Consumer Services and Industrials returning to growth, while the Healthcare category saw a renewed decline.

Technology was the strongest sector, while Financials was the worst-performing.

What are the implications of a rolling recession?

Some areas of the economy remaining strong could head off an outright recession and help the job market stay buoyant. And all of that has implications for inflation, interest rates and the cost of money.

In the latest Chief Economists Outlook from the Forum, almost two-thirds of respondents said a global recession was likely in 2023, while a third of respondents said it was unlikely, showing how unclear the outlook is.

US Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell told Congress this month that the US economy “slowed significantly last year” and the current data is mixed.

“Although consumer spending appears to be expanding at a solid pace this quarter, other recent indicators point to subdued growth of spending and production,” he said. “Activity in the housing sector continues to weaken, largely reflecting higher mortgage rates. Higher interest rates and slower output growth also appear to be weighing on business fixed investment.”

And data shows the labour market remains strong, with the US unemployment rate at its lowest level since 1969.

Economic data and reports will be key to determining any action the Federal Reserve takes, he said.

“We will continue to make our decisions meeting by meeting, taking into account the totality of incoming data and their implications for the outlook for economic activity and inflation,” Powell said.

All the more reason to watch the data as it rolls in.
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#206 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
Accenture, a Dublin-headquartered management and technology consulting firm, on Thursday said it will cut 19,000 jobs over the next 18 months.

The cuts represent 2.5% of the company’s global 738,000 employees, of which approximately 40% are located in India.

“These actions are expected to impact roughly 2.5% or 19,000 of our current workforce, of which over half are non-billable corporate functions and include over 800 of our leaders across our markets and services. Nearly half of the 19,000 people will depart by the end of fiscal year 23," CFO KC McClure told analysts during the Thursday earnings call.


If you thought tech support sucked balls now just wait until the cuts kick in.
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Lucid Group, the U.S. automaker that produces the luxury all-electric Air sedan, is cutting its workforce by 18% as part of a restructuring, the company disclosed in a regulatory filing.

The layoffs, which will affect 1,300 employees, will be completed by the end of the second quarter. Lucid expects to incur about $24 million to $30 million in charges connected with its restructuring plan, namely due to severance payments, employee benefits and stock-based compensation. The layoffs will be across the organization and will include executive positions.
rfenst Offline
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The traditional view is/was that inflation and interest rates increase with higher employment and are reduced with layoffs being the trade-off.



Like I repeated before:

"It's a recession when you lose your job. It's a depression when I lose mine.
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#209 Posted:
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I live very near uber wealthy communities and find it depressing that though I see several Maseratis and their ilk every day, I have yet to (knowingly) see a Lucid.
I'm thinking they may not be a harbinger of anything Economy and might just be a well funded yet floundering corporation.


I think Spey may have one though. I think he loves it.
deadeyedick Offline
#210 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
I live very near uber wealthy communities and find it depressing that though I see several Maseratis and their ilk every day, I have yet to (knowingly) see a Lucid.
I'm thinking they may not be a harbinger of anything Economy and might just be a well funded yet floundering corporation.


I think Spey may have one though. I think he loves it.


I have seen several in areas near me along with hundreds of Teslas. Course the Lucid are manufactured not far from Phoenix so they get more press coverage.
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I see every expensive vehicle on a daily basis and have seen the demos on a showroom floor in an expensive shopping center. I have also never actually seen one being driven on the street by its owner.
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UPS to layoff nearly 12,000 employees across the globe to 'align resources for 2024'



UPS plans to layoff nearly 12,000 employees following a massive year-over-year decline in revenue, company officials told USA TODAY Tuesday morning.

The workforce reduction is part of an effort to align resources in 2024 and will save the company nearly $1 billion, the Atlanta-based company's CEO Carole Tomé said on a company earnings call.

“I want to thank UPSers for providing the best on-time performance of any carrier for the sixth year in a row,” Tomé said in a statement released by the company Tuesday. “2023 was a unique and difficult year and through it all we remained focused on controlling what we could control, stayed on strategy and strengthened our foundation for future growth.”

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2024/01/30/ups-layoffs-2024/72405535007/


And they just settled with their union to give them epic raises and bonuses. Think
HockeyDad Offline
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PayPal plans to cut its workforce by 9%, the San Jose-based tech giant announced Tuesday — almost exactly one year after a similarly sized layoff round.

CEO Alex Chriss announced the cuts in a Tuesday email to staff, now published on the company’s website. He called the decision “difficult but necessary,” and wrote that the reduction would include both layoffs and “the elimination of open roles” and would take place “over the course of the year.”
A company spokesperson told SFGATE on Tuesday that 311 San Jose-based employees are among the layoffs, but did not provide further details.

“We are doing this to right-size our business, allowing us to move with the speed needed to deliver for our customers and drive profitable growth,” wrote Chriss, who took over the CEO job in September, in his email. PayPal turned a $1 billion profit from July to September, the company reported in a November filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission.
PayPal counts Venmo and Xoom among its subsidiaries and had 29,900 total employees at the end of 2022, per a February 2023 filing. The financial payments giant laid off about 2,000 workers on Jan. 31, 2023, meaning the 9% cut announced Tuesday will likely eliminate around 2,500 jobs.
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#214 Posted:
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Bidenomics is an opportunity to rehire back part timers and claim VICTORY!
rfenst Offline
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Near record unemployment rate at 3.7%
Inflation close to or within target range
Great GDP 3%+
Interest rates trend downward
Consumer sentiment significantly increased
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frankj1 Offline
#216 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
Near record unemployment rate at 3.7%
Inflation close to or within target range
Great GDP 3%+
Interest rates trend downward
Consumer sentiment significantly increased
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not if you care more about the election!
And God forbid that some kind of border policy gets done after a half century of using it as an election marketing ploy...if only it wasn't an election year, says Trump.
ZRX1200 Offline
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Robert did you LOL when you typed that?
RayR Offline
#218 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
Near record unemployment rate at 3.7%
Inflation close to or within target range
Great GDP 3%+
Interest rates trend downward
Consumer sentiment significantly increased


Only one problem with that propaganda. Peeps ain't feeling it.
I asked my wife. She asked her hairdresser today. Neither one feeling it.
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HA!
RayR Offline
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The other problem with inflation...corruption is booming in the United States and around the world..

I'm a fan of the work of the late great Henry Hazlitt (1894-1993), so this article intrigued me.

“During every great inflation there is a striking decline in both public and private morality,” - Henry Hazlitt


The (Other) Cost of Inflation: Inflation Erodes More Than the Value of Money, History Shows

Jon Miltimore
January 26, 2024

Quote:
Across the world, people are struggling under the specter of inflation.

In Venezuela, the inflation rate is 360 percent. In Argentina, it’s 160 percent. In Turkey, inflation is about 50 percent, about 10 percent higher than its neighbor Iran.

In Europe, inflation of the euro has finally cooled to about 3 percent, down from more than 10 percent a year ago. Canada and the United States have witnessed a similar pattern.

Even if Europe and North American countries can continue to rein in inflation — and that’s a very big if — the consequences of governments’ inflationary policies have already been realized. The value of people’s earnings and savings has been severely (and likely permanently) eroded.

The depreciation of real income causes serious pain for consumers and families, particularly poorer families who spend a higher percentage of their income on food and housing, commodities that tend to be disproportionately impacted by inflation.

“Lower-income households experienced above-average inflation because of their higher proportional spending on food and housing, categories for which prices were rising more rapidly at the time (especially during 2020, with the onset of the pandemic),” a study by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York concluded earlier this year.

While the pernicious effects of inflation have been exhaustively detailed in recent years, one effect of inflation has received little attention: its impact on morality.

More...

https://www.aier.org/article/the-other-cost-of-inflation-inflation-erodes-more-than-the-value-of-money-history-shows/


HockeyDad Offline
#221 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
Near record unemployment rate at 3.7%
Inflation close to or within target range
Great GDP 3%+
Interest rates trend downward
Consumer sentiment significantly increased
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You prolly didn’t see the Fed statement today that blew up the stock market.
Abrignac Offline
#222 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
Near record unemployment rate at 3.7%
Inflation close to or within target range
Great GDP 3%+
Interest rates trend upward
Consumer sentiment significantly increased
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FIFY

From 2013 - 2020 inflation ranged from 0.7 - 1.4. In 2021 it was 7.0, in 2022 it was 6.5 and 2023 it was 3.4. Try to buy a meal from McDonald’s for under $10.

Since March of 2022 the rate has increased at every Fed meeting except today where it was left unchanged.

Has been in a steady decline from 2020 - 2023

In Q1 2020 UofM CC score was 96.4. It bounced up and down until Q3 2021 then tanked. Beginning in Q1 2023 it started bouncing again then rose to 78.1 where it is still significantly lower than Q1 2020.

Where did you get that data?
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#223 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
You prolly didn’t see the Fed statement today that blew up the stock market.


Listening to Paul Krugman will do that to a person!
RayR Offline
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Paul Krugman's mind is shot, too many years of spouting idiotic progressive economic theories. I don't know why anybody would listen to that guy.
Then you have this guy Lyin' Biden whose brain is also shot...


Biden’s Absurd New Economic Messaging Strategy

01/31/2024
Connor O'Keeffe

Quote:
After spending months trying to sell his economic agenda under the banner of “Bidenomics,” the president’s team is frustrated. Voters aren’t believing them when they say that the economy is doing excellent and that Joe Biden deserves the credit.

Rather than make a meaningful attempt to understand the American people’s economic pain and recognize why it isn’t being detected by traditional economic indicators, the president’s team has settled on a different solution—experimenting with different economic messaging.

As the general election fast approaches, Team Biden is rolling out a new economic argument that, in the words of POLITICO’s Adam Cancryn, “tries to frame former President Donald Trump as the candidate of corporate tax cuts and Biden as a scourge of the ultra-wealthy.”

But Biden is no scourge of the ultrawealthy. In fact, he is a dear friend and ally of the wealthy cronies and plutocrats that make up the worst of America’s upper classes.

More...

https://mises.org/wire/bidens-absurd-new-economic-messaging-strategy
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New York Community Bancorp Stock Plunges 38%, Reigniting Fears for Regional Banks

NYCB built up capital after acquiring most of the failed Signature Bank in last year’s crisis

Shares of New York Community Bancorp NYCB plummeted 38% Wednesday after the company swung to a fourth-quarter loss and slashed its dividend to shore up capital following its purchase of the assets of the collapsed Signature Bank.
RayR Offline
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Does anybody actually believe what comes out of Biden's Bureau of Labor Statistics?

Zeohedge: https://x.com/zerohedge/status/1752502655270666324?s=20

Dear @BLS_gov
, since you have trouble finding actual data, we've made it easy for you - here are the layoffs announced in the past few months:

1. Twitch: 35% of workforce
2. Hasbro: 20% of workforce
3. Spotify: 17% of workforce
4. Levi's: 15% of workforce
5. Zerox: 15% of workforce
6. Qualtrics: 14% of workforce
7. Wayfair: 13% of workforce
8. Duolingo: 10% of workforce
9. Washington Post: 10% of workforce
10. eBay: 9% of workforce
11. Business Insider: 8% of workforce
12. Paypal: 7% of workforce
13. Charles Schwab: 6% of workforce
14. UPS: 2% of workforce
15. Blackrock: 3% of workforce
16. Citigroup: 20,000 employees
17. Pixar: 1,300 employees



January Jobs Shocker: Payrolls Explode By 353K, Double The Expected And Higher Than All Estimate As Wages Surge

by Tyler Durden
Friday, Feb 02, 2024 - 08:55 AM

Quote:
Well, we did warn readers that anyone hoping for a negative print in an election year would be disappointed, and moments ago the BLS proved us right.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/january-jobs-shocker-payrolls-explode-353k-double-expected-and-higher-all-estimate-wages
rfenst Offline
#227 Posted:
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RayR wrote:
Does anybody actually believe what comes out of Biden's Bureau of Labor Statistics?

Zeohedge: https://x.com/zerohedge/status/1752502655270666324?s=20

Dear @BLS_gov
, since you have trouble finding actual data, we've made it easy for you - here are the layoffs announced in the past few months:

1. Twitch: 35% of workforce
2. Hasbro: 20% of workforce
3. Spotify: 17% of workforce
4. Levi's: 15% of workforce
5. Zerox: 15% of workforce
6. Qualtrics: 14% of workforce
7. Wayfair: 13% of workforce
8. Duolingo: 10% of workforce
9. Washington Post: 10% of workforce
10. eBay: 9% of workforce
11. Business Insider: 8% of workforce
12. Paypal: 7% of workforce
13. Charles Schwab: 6% of workforce
14. UPS: 2% of workforce
15. Blackrock: 3% of workforce
16. Citigroup: 20,000 employees
17. Pixar: 1,300 employees



January Jobs Shocker: Payrolls Explode By 353K, Double The Expected And Higher Than All Estimate As Wages Surge

by Tyler Durden
Friday, Feb 02, 2024 - 08:55 AM


rfenst Offline
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Abrignac wrote:
Where did you get that data?

Wall Street Journal.
Rates have been artificially depressed until the Fed raised them. For like ten years or so. We all got addicted to cheap money compared to historical rate trends. (Wish I could post graphs.
Abrignac Offline
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rfenst wrote:
Wall Street Journal.
Rates have been artificially depressed until the Fed raised them. For like ten years or so. We all got addicted to cheap money compared to historical rate trends. (Wish I could post graphs.


Wouldn’t necessarily agree that they were artificially depressed. But, don’t necessarily disagree that they were.

Kinda like being for the war before being against it.
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#230 Posted:
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remember when Trump begged for rates to go below zero on national TV?


edit: that's actually a thing
RayR Offline
#231 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
Wall Street Journal.
Rates have been artificially depressed until the Fed raised them. For like ten years or so. We all got addicted to cheap money compared to historical rate trends. (Wish I could post graphs.


You like graphs?

Another Inflation Whopper From the BLS Puzzle Palace

By David Stockman
David Stockman's Contra Corner

January 29, 2024

Quote:
We sometimes think that the honchos at the BLS and other government statistical mills had a previous career selling swampland in Florida. After all, they often want you to believe absolutely preposterous things such as their latest report claiming the battle against inflation has been won—with the Fed’s favorite PCE deflator coming in at a below target 1.65% annualized rate in Q4.

So with the inflation genie allegedly back in the 2.00% bottle, the pot-banging on Wall Street has gotten downright shrill. According to the toddlers in the gambling pits, the Fed should make haste to crank-up its printing presses again, and right soon.

Then again, the wondrous disappearance of inflation reported in the PCE deflator does need some ‘splainin’. That’s because the 1.65% headline gain consisted of some fairly discordant sub-components:

More...

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2024/01/david-stockman/another-inflation-whopper-from-the-bls-puzzle-palace/

RayR Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
remember when Trump begged for rates to go below zero on national TV?


edit: that's actually a thing


Ya, that wasn't one of his most brilliant verbal economic policy statements.
It was pretty LEFTY actually, I'd say. More like something Paul Krugman would prescribe.


David Stockman in his book 'Trump's War on Capitalism' wrote:
"When it comes to what the GOP's core mission should be…standing up for the free markets, fiscal rectitude, sound money, personal liberty, and small government at home and non-intervention abroad," he writes, "Donald Trump has overwhelmingly come down on the wrong side of the issues."
RayR Offline
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More for charts and graph fans.

Yes, it's true, "...the Biden admin will do everything in his power to insure there is no official recession before November... and is why after the election is over, all economic hell will finally break loose. Until then, however, expect the jobs numbers to get more and more ridiculous."

Inside The Most Ridiculous Jobs Report In Recent History

by Tyler Durden
Saturday, Feb 03, 2024 - 10:00 AM

Quote:
On the surface, it was an blockbuster jobs report, certainly one which nobody expected. Starting at the top, the BLS reported that in January the US unexpectedly added 353K "jobs" - the most since January 2023 (when the print was 482K compared to 131K) , double the consensus forecast of 185K and more than the highest Wall Street estimate (300K from Natixis). In fact, this was a 4-sigma beat to estimate, unheard of in the past year.

The headline data was stellar across the board, starting with the unemployment rate which once again failed to rise - denying expectations from "Sahm's Rule" that a recession may have already started - all the way to average hourly earnings, which unexpectedly spiked from 4.1% (pre-revision) to 4.5%, the highest since last September, and a slap in the face to the Fed's disinflation narrative...

... or it would be if one didn't think of checking how the average rose: well, it turns out that, since average hourly earnings is a fraction, it did not rise due to a jump in actual wages but - since it is earnings over a period of time - "rose" because the BLS decided to sharply slash the number of estimated hours that everyone was working, from 34.3 to just 34.1, which may not sound like a lot until one realizes that the last time the workweek was this low was when the economy was shut down during covid. Excluding the covid lockdowns, one would have to go back to 2010 to find a workweek that was this anemic.

And speaking of revisions, we had a lot of those: in January, the BLS conducted its annual "annual re-benchmarking and update of seasonal adjustment factors." Long story short, what was until December a decline in jobs has now been miraculously transformed into gains, as shown in the chart below.

More...

https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/inside-most-ridiculous-jobs-report-recent-history
rfenst Offline
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Where is the recession?
RayR Offline
#235 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
Where is the recession?


What? It hasn't hit your cul de sac yet? I know, the regime economists say the economy is strong. Biden says Bidenomics is working
Just give it some more time for you to feel it and you'll be Yellen recession too. Inflation is still deflating purchasing power and $40 trillion here we come!

41% of Americans say US is in a recession, poll shows. What do data and experts say?


Moira Ritter, Brendan Rascius
January 11, 2024

Quote:
Large minorities of Americans are pessimistic about the state of the U.S. economy — even as key indicators reveal promising signs of growth, according to a new poll.

Nearly half, 45%, of Americans believe the economy is getting worse, according to a YouGov poll released Jan. 10.

The poll surveyed 1,593 U.S. adult citizens between Jan. 7 and Jan. 9 and has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.2 percentage points.

Additionally, 40% of respondents rated the economy as “poor,” while 41% said the U.S. is currently in a recession.

When it comes to personal finances, responses were similarly gloomy, with 40% of respondents saying they are worse off financially than one year ago.

The poll is just the latest in a string of surveys revealing widespread dissatisfaction with the state of personal finances and the broader economy.

Nearly 70% of respondents to a Suffolk University poll released in September said the economy is heading in the wrong direction.

Similarly, 71% of respondents said the U.S. economy is “not so good” or “poor” in a Quinnipiac University poll released in August. The poll questioned 1,818 U.S. adults and has a margin of error of plus or minus 2.3 percentage points.

https://news.yahoo.com/41-americans-us-recession-poll-141722373.html
HockeyDad Offline
#236 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
Where is the recession?


Existing home sales.
Technology.
Manufacturing.

Next up: regional banks.

We’ve been in a rolling recession for a while.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#237 Posted:
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CRE!

You can't lockdown the entire nation and not have some residual effect to it.

Malls = ghost towns

Downtowns = ghost towns

Any high rise USA = ghost towns


"Someone" is paying for the heat/air, cafeteria, dry cleaning, gyms at most corporate work places. Work from home isn't the "thing" needed. Where I work they estimate they're only getting 60% productivity from the work from homers. They sent out letters the past few weeks notifying them that the train is leaving the station. With or without them. They're NOT playing. I've been privvy to decisions on how to deal with the mass layoffs if they have to go there.
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#238 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:

We’ve been in a rolling recession for a while.


Like Mike Johnson’s rolling CRs with a tiered approach?
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#239 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
CRE!

You can't lockdown the entire nation and not have some residual effect to it.

Malls = ghost towns

Downtowns = ghost towns

Any high rise USA = ghost towns


"Someone" is paying for the heat/air, cafeteria, dry cleaning, gyms at most corporate work places. Work from home isn't the "thing" needed. Where I work they estimate they're only getting 60% productivity from the work from homers. They sent out letters the past few weeks notifying them that the train is leaving the station. With or without them. They're NOT playing. I've been privvy to decisions on how to deal with the mass layoffs if they have to go there.



Disagree with downtowns being ghost towns. In places like San Francisco, Oakland, Baltimore, Chicago, and Washington DC, there are many, many people downtown. Robbing, mugging, murdering, etc. *

*The source of this post is me. Not a cut and paste of someone else’s thought. Did all by my sef!

A friendly elbow to Brewha, DMV, and Anthony on another thread.
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#240 Posted:
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More graphs from Stockman...

Why Keynesians Never Say Sorry

By David Stockman
David Stockman's Contra Corner

February 3, 2024

Quote:
Keynesians never say I’m sorry—they just make excuses until they can cherry-pick data to show that their destructive policies are working. In this respect our tiresome Keynesian school-marm, Janet Yellen, was in fine fettle upon the Friday jobs report, announcing that a “soft landing” had been achieved. Everything is now hunky-dory on main street, said she, because wages were up by 4.1% versus an estimated 3.2% rise in headline inflation for the 2023.

Let’s see. Here are the values for average hourly wages and the headline CPI indexed to December 2020. As it has transpired, since Yellen and the Biden puppeteers purportedly took over economic policy, the cost of living (black line) has risen 25% more than the average hourly wage (purple line).

[GRAPH]

Then again, our paint-by-the-numbers monetary central planners apparently believe that the world starts anew every month, quarter and year and that there is no such thing as the actual level of wages and prices. It’s all about the short-run rate of change. Since the inflationary battering of wages that has been underway for several years is now purportedly in the rearview mirror, apparently it just didn’t happen.

More...

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2024/02/david-stockman/why-keynesians-never-say-sorry/
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#241 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
Existing home sales.
Technology.
Manufacturing.

Next up: regional banks.

We’ve been in a rolling recession for a while.

Define recession apples to apples.
rfenst Offline
#242 Posted:
Joined: 06-23-2007
Posts: 39,330
DrMaddVibe wrote:
CRE!

You can't lockdown the entire nation and not have some residual effect to it.

Malls = ghost towns

Downtowns = ghost towns

Any high rise USA = ghost towns


"Someone" is paying for the heat/air, cafeteria, dry cleaning, gyms at most corporate work places. Work from home isn't the "thing" needed. Where I work they estimate they're only getting 60% productivity from the work from homers. They sent out letters the past few weeks notifying them that the train is leaving the station. With or without them. They're NOT playing. I've been privvy to decisions on how to deal with the mass layoffs if they have to go there.

WSJ says the first employees to lose their job is remote workers at an increased rate/chance around 35%
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#243 Posted:
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Posts: 17,278
DrMaddVibe wrote:
CRE!

You can't lockdown the entire nation and not have some residual effect to it.

Malls = ghost towns

Downtowns = ghost towns

Any high rise USA = ghost towns


"Someone" is paying for the heat/air, cafeteria, dry cleaning, gyms at most corporate work places. Work from home isn't the "thing" needed. Where I work they estimate they're only getting 60% productivity from the work from homers. They sent out letters the past few weeks notifying them that the train is leaving the station. With or without them. They're NOT playing. I've been privvy to decisions on how to deal with the mass layoffs if they have to go there.



Where are these ghost towns you speak of?

In the past 3 weeks I’ve passed Tanger Outlet Malls in Nashville, TN; Barstow, CA; Gonzales, LA and Foley, AL. Saw plenty of cars and plenty of shoppers at each location.

Drove through downtown Bozeman, MT yesterday. It was snowing like hell. I got stuck twice trying to get backed in to a dock to get loaded. But that didn’t stop the people from going downtown. Saw plenty driving and walking around while my trailer was getting loaded. Over the past few weeks I’ve seen plenty of people in the downtown areas of Davenport, IA, Graham, NC; El Paso, TX; Baton Rouge, LA; Oklahoma City, OK.

Can’t speak for the high rises since I couldn’t see inside of any of them. But the ones I did see along I-40, I-80, I-95, I-75, I-15 and I-10 seemed to have plenty of cars parked around them. Saw plenty of lights shining through the windows with non-reflecting glass.

It’s amazing what one sees when they drive 500-750 miles a day going coast to coast and north to south.

What would Henny Penny say?

As far as “tele-commuting” big joke. I know a few people who do it. They’ve all figured out a way to game the system to make it look like they’re online more than they really are.
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#244 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
Define recession apples to apples.


A rolling recession, or rolling adjustment recession, occurs when the recession only affects certain sectors of the economy at a time. As one sector enters recovery, the slowdown will ‘roll’ into another part of the economy. On the whole, rolling recessions occur regardless of nationwide or statewide economic recession, and the effects may not be in the national economic measures (e.g., gross domestic product (GDP)). The recession of 1960–61 in the United States is an example of a rolling-adjustment recession.


Now I’ll define inflation apples to apples.

You had enough money to buy two apples. Now it will only buy one apple but will be called Bidenomics!
HockeyDad Offline
#245 Posted:
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Abrignac wrote:

As far as “tele-commuting” big joke. I know a few people who do it. They’ve all figured out a way to game the system to make it look like they’re online more than they really are.


Telecommuting can be very successful in some industries. I’ve telecommuted for 22 of the last 25 years. My company has many remote workers and when Covid hit we permanently transferred many more over to remote work and closed entire offices and sold off millions in real estate.

My wife’s company was a more traditional everyone in the office company and they’ve struggled to get people back in the office in the California locations. In Houston everybody is three days a week in the office. Part of the issue is for many jobs they figured out that they could be 100% remote. For many jobs a remote option is impossible.


As for commercial real estate, there are still massive vacancies. San Francisco is 30% vacant. One of the problems this creates is much of the financing comes from regional banks. A lot of regional banks also have a ton of assets in treasuries paying 2% yet skyrocketing interest rates now have rates at 5%.
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Snap, the Santa Monica company behind Snapchat and the recently recalled “Pixy Flying Camera,” announced a plan to lay off hundreds of workers on Monday. Snap joins a flood of California tech companies slashing their workforces this year.

The social media giant will give pink slips to around 10% of its full-time workers, according to a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Based on the 5,367-person full-time headcount the company reported as of September, the layoff will hit more than 500 staffers.
Asked by SFGATE about the reasoning behind the layoffs, Snap spokesperson Russ Caditz-Peck said in an email, “We are reorganizing our team to reduce hierarchy and promote in-person collaboration.” Tech companies ranging in size and age have cited desires to cut back "hierarchy" when laying off workers over the past two years, often blaming pandemic-era over-hiring.
Abrignac Offline
#247 Posted:
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Posts: 17,278
HockeyDad wrote:
Telecommuting can be very successful in some industries. I’ve telecommuted for 22 of the last 25 years. My company has many remote workers and when Covid hit we permanently transferred many more over to remote work and closed entire offices and sold off millions in real estate.

My wife’s company was a more traditional everyone in the office company and they’ve struggled to get people back in the office in the California locations. In Houston everybody is three days a week in the office. Part of the issue is for many jobs they figured out that they could be 100% remote. For many jobs a remote option is impossible.


As for commercial real estate, there are still massive vacancies. San Francisco is 30% vacant. One of the problems this creates is much of the financing comes from regional banks. A lot of regional banks also have a ton of assets in treasuries paying 2% yet skyrocketing interest rates now have rates at 5%.


An over-generalized view on my part. I should have noted that the people I was referring to are mostly clerical and secretarial. The ones I know tend to sit by the pool with a glass of wine or cocktail while on the clock.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#248 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,440
Abrignac wrote:
What would Henny Penny say?


Prolly "figure it out". YMDV.


https://wolfstreet.com/2024/02/05/us-office-cre-mess-is-spread-far-and-wide-across-investors-banks-around-the-globe-us-banks-eat-only-a-portion-of-the-losses/
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DocuSign, the San Francisco-based maker of tools for filling out forms online, announced Tuesday that it is giving pink slips to 400 employees. The layoff round is the company’s third major job cut since September 2022.

The tech company revealed the layoff round, set to impact 6% of DocuSign’s staff, in a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission submitted Tuesday. In a press release, DocuSign described the reduction as a “restructuring plan” and said “the majority of impacted positions” were among the sales and marketing teams.
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The Confusingly Strong Economy Told in Three Stories
The plausible explanations for the economy’s apparent immunity to high interest rates each lead to different outcomes for the markets

WSJ
Why America’s economy proved surprisingly resilient to the biggest rise in interest rates in 40 years isn’t a question of merely historical interest. Depending on the explanation you prefer for the unusual strength, you should be piling into stocks, worrying about government debt or fearing recession.

Uncertainty about which of the three is right helps to explain why no one—including the Federal Reserve—seems to be able to settle on a single story about what’s going on.

I see three plausible explanations for the economy’s apparent immunity to high interest rates:

Private-sector productivity, measured as output per hour, has been rising strongly since the first quarter of 2022 when the Fed belatedly started to increase interest rates. At the end of last year, it passed its pandemic peak, which anyway was a figment of statistics due to the distortions of the lockdown economy.

The bullish story is that productivity has been boosted by workers moving en masse to better-paid and more productive jobs. Rather than flipping burgers, recent graduates have been in demand as the economy runs hot and unemployment stays near half-century lows.

Corporate investment has also rebounded much faster than it did after the 2007-2009 recession, now 10% higher than its prepandemic peak even when adjusted for inflation, against just 5% by the end of 2012, the same length of time from the 2009 low. The benefits of artificial intelligence, if they come through, might allow productivity to keep rising.

The bearish story is that productivity only rose because supply chains snarled by the pandemic were finally freed up, and that isn’t going to happen again.

The gains in productivity that have come through have allowed the economy to grow even as inflation comes down. If technology allows productivity to keep rising fast, the economy should be better able to resist higher interest rates—and stocks do well in the future even as the Fed keeps rates high.

The government financed everything, so of course it has been fine (sell Treasurys!)
Fiscal spending is also a good explanation for what happened. The Federal government ran a record peacetime deficit during the pandemic, and last year increased its deficit to 6.2% of GDP even as the economy grew strongly. Combine subsidies for anything with a hint of green with leftover stimulus savings and it is easy to see how the economy could resist higher interest rates.

Unfortunately, this can’t end well: Either the government will rein in spending, removing support and so most likely slowing growth, or it won’t, and higher borrowing will keep pushing up bond yields. Both are worth worrying about.

Monetary policy is taking longer than normal to bite (eventually it will, threatening growth)
The ineffectiveness of rate increases so far is obvious. Far from reducing demand, the economy grew faster as rates rose further. Much of that was just luck. But the risk is that the impact of rates on the economy hasn’t been abolished, merely delayed.

With hindsight, it is easy to see why higher rates didn’t immediately reduce corporate investment or household consumption. Big companies and homeowners had locked in record amounts of debt at record-low rates. Instead of Fed tightening hurting their income, major corporations and people with a mortgage kept paying the same rate but earned more in interest on their savings.

American nonfinancial companies are estimated by the Bureau of Economic Analysis to be paying about 40% less in interest, net of interest on savings, than they were before the Fed’s rate rises started. This shouldn’t be taken too literally, since recent data are calculated as the leftovers after adding up government, consumer and foreign interest, not measured directly. Still, assuming the direction of the data is right, it is the precise opposite of what the Fed’s been trying to achieve.

The U.S. economy gained strength during the year, as Americans continued to spend money, giving the economy an unexpected boost. WSJ’s Dion Rabouin digs into the latest GDP report to explain the most important details for investors in 2024. Photo: Frederic J. Brown/AFP/Getty Images
Not everyone in the U.S. benefited. The U.S. has a two-speed economy, something I’ll come back to in future columns. Small companies and those with poor credit ratings tend to have shorter-dated debt that needs to be refinanced at higher rates or have floating-rate debt. Individuals who borrowed on credit cards or to buy high-price secondhand cars are struggling, with delinquency rates now above prepandemic levels—and the young and poor have the biggest problems, according to the New York Fed.

As time passes and rates stay high, more and more debt needs to be refinanced. More borrowers who put off moving to avoid having to take a new mortgage at much higher rates will bite the bullet. More companies have to repay their bonds. And more economic activity that would have been financed by debt at lower rates just doesn’t happen.

For now, investors aren’t concerned that a delayed impact of higher rates will turn the two-speed economy into an overall slowdown. Even the worst-rated CCC junk-bond borrowers only yield about the same—13.5%—as they did in December 2019. Interest rates are higher, but offset by investors demanding a lower spread over safe Treasurys to compensate for extra risk.

SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS
What is your explanation for the health of the American economy despite high interest rates? Join the conversation below.

The danger is that the mess in the slow-speed part of the economy drags down the rest. This could be transmitted via trouble in highly-leveraged private equity, commercial real estate or lenders such as regional banks particularly exposed to weaker borrowers. But it seems more likely just to be a slow burn as delinquencies and defaults steadily rise.

The problem for investors is that all three explanations of recent history are attractive and lead to completely different predictions if they continue to hold: Solid growth, government debt bomb or hard landing.

In the past few months, the markets have swung from one extreme to the other, and back again. Expect that to continue. Nobody can get their story straight.
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