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Election Determines Fate of Nation
Gene363 Offline
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From the Wed 06 Oct 2004 issue of the Ellensburg Daily Record (Ellensburg, Washington)...written by Mathew Manweller...Central Washington University political science professor...

"Election determines fate of nation"

"In that this will be my last column before the presidential election, there will be no sarcasm, no attempts at witty repartee. The topic is too serious, and the stakes are too high. This November we will vote in the only election during our lifetime that will truly matter. Because America is at a once-in-a-generation crossroads, more than an election hangs in the balance.

Down one path lies retreat, abdication and a reign of ambivalence. Down the other lies a nation that is aware of its past and accepts the daunting obligation its future demands. If we choose poorly, the consequences will echo through the next 50 years of history. If we, in a spasm of frustration, turn out the current occupant of the White House, the message to the world and ourselves will be two-fold.

First, we will reject the notion that America can do big things. Once a nation that tamed a frontier, stood down the Nazis and stood upon the moon, we will announce to the world that bringing democracy to the Middle East is too big of a task for us. But more significantly, we will signal to future presidents that as voters, we are unwilling to tackle difficult challenges, preferring caution to boldness, embracing the mediocrity that has characterized other civilizations.

The defeat of President Bush will send a chilling message to future presidents who may need to make difficult, yet unpopular decisions. America has always been a nation that rises to the demands of history regardless of the costs or appeal. If we turn away from that legacy, we turn away from who we are.

Second, we inform every terrorist organization on the globe that the lesson of Somalia was well learned. In Somalia we showed terrorists that you don't need to defeat America on the battlefield when you can defeat them in the newsroom. They learned that a wounded America can become a defeated America. Twenty-four-hour news stations and daily tracing polls will do the heavy lifting, turning a cut into a fatal blow. Except that Iraq is Somalia times 10.

The election of John Kerry will serve notice to every terrorist in every cave that the soft underbelly of American power is the timidity of American voters. Terrorists will know that a steady stream of grizzly photos for CNN is all you need to break the will of the American people. Our own self-doubt will take it from there. Bin Laden will recognize that he can topple any American administration without setting foot on the homeland.

It is said that America's W.W.II generation is its 'greatest generation'. But my greatest fear is that it will become known as America's 'last generation.' Born in the bleakness of the Great Depression and hardened in the fire of WW II, they may be the last American generation that understands the meaning of duty, honor and sacrifice. It is difficult to admit, but I know these terms are spoken with only hollow detachment by many (but not all) in my generation. Too many citizens today mistake 'living in America' as 'being an American.' But America has always been more of an idea than a place. When you sign on, you do more than buy real estate. You accept a set of values and responsibilities.

This November, my generation, which has been absent too long, must grasp the obligation that comes with being an American, or fade into the oblivion they may deserve. I believe that 100 years from now historians will look back at the election of 2004 and see it as the decisive election of our century. Depending on the outcome, they will describe it as the moment America joined the ranks of ordinary nations; or they will describe it as the moment the prodigal sons and daughters of the greatest generation accepted their burden as caretakers of the City on the Hill."


Assistant Professor; BA in Economics from Whtiman College; MA in Political Science from the University of Montana; PhD in Political Science from the University of Oregon in 2003. Matt's research interests focus on constitutional law, democratic theory, and political economy. His more important skills and interests include fly fishing, backpacking, and ultimate frisbee. Matt's decision to move to Ellensburg represents a lifelong effort to stay as far away as possible from any city with a population over 50,000. E-mail: [email protected].

bloody spaniard Offline
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"The defeat of President Bush will send a chilling message to future presidents who may need to make difficult, yet unpopular decisions."

Yeah, it'll send the message NOT to lie & NOT to put other priorities above the needs/mandate of the constituency that put you in there. We don't need a true enemy of conservatism in there.

We'll survive the next four years. Hopefully this White House "purge" will allow us to come together & produce a better candidate next time.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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this is the pivotal election in the history of america.

a victory by bush will prove that king of queens, frasier, everyone loves raymond and all the rest of those sit-coms, and mad tv, and what is called saturday light live, are what this country expects for it's entertainment and what it expects for a president.

some of us watch the sopranos and can follow the plot line.
pabloescabar Offline
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but Rick there is lot's of killing in the soprano's yes, kind'a like real life. well the other's you mentioned are what others would like real life tobelike so they watch and laugh and have a good time in denial. they are at peace with that, is that a bad thing to want to laugh ?
eleltea Offline
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We survived Warren Harding. We can survive either of these two.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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pabloescabar

bro, you are truly a wise man and i have much to learn from you.

rick
snowwolf777 Offline
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RICKAMAVEN - "a victory by bush will prove that king of queens, frasier, everyone loves raymond and all the rest of those sit-coms, and mad tv, and what is called saturday light live, are what this country expects for it's entertainment and what it expects for a president."

Interesting theory. My television is cold 90% of the time, except to watch the evening news on Fox, Hannity and Combs occasionally, I never miss the Sopranos, and sometimes I like to watch the NHRA race. The rest of the time my wife and I read, listen to music, and talk. We want Bush back in the White House, without reservation.

On the other hand, my parents and my in-laws never miss King of Queens, Everybody Loves Raymond, Fear Factor, and a lot of the other tripe that passes for evening entertainment. They're died-in-the-wool Dems and can't wait for Kerry to get in office.

Put on your foil hat and plug that into your web poll, will ya?

THL Offline
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eleltea's got it right. I'm only 50 but every election that I can remember has been touted as "THE MOST IMPORTANT MOMENT IN OUR HISTORY!!!" One road may be more direct or more bloody that the other, but we'll get there just the same.
And Warren G. Harding is a good guy once you get to know him. Woodie Wilson was the scary one.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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snowwolf777

presently my wife, like many others are fasciated by the different forensic file type programs. the stories used to be in magazines like "true detective." i do make it a point to watch some of what is currently touted as being big hit shows. i am curious to find as entertainment. it gives me a feeling of superiority, i mean sustain my feeling of superiority.

i watch fox, particularly o'reilly amd some times i can listen to hannity for a few moments, but he is so anal, and doesn't have any sense of humor.

i will be disappointed if o'reilly doesn't fight the harrasment suit against him. if he settles it will be because he is guilty. i hope he is not, it is so adolescent making dirty phone calls.

i don't know much about what liberals watch, i have not done a survey. i myself am a rachmones conservative having been taught the value of conservatism by bloody spaniard.

i am waiting impatiently, more for bush to be thrown out of office, then for kerry to be sworn in.
snowwolf777 Offline
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I agree on O'Reilly. I presume he will fight it. I read last week somewhere he is counter-suing already, which I believe is the correct course of action IF you're not guilty. There is something to fighting fire with fire.

And hey, who doesn't love Bloody Spaniard?
Thom Offline
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Hey that's from my home town newspaper! I read it when it was printed. But out of curiosity, Gene363, how did you come across this article?

If you prefer;
thomkokenge at hotmail dot com
Gene363 Offline
#12 Posted:
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Thom,

I received the story in an email from a work acquaintance; it had been forwarded to him as well. I did a little checking on Google to see if it appeared to be real before porting it on Cbid.
thurson Offline
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LOL Thom, I didn't know anyone actually lived in E-burg!

Go Wildcats!!!
pabloescabar Offline
#14 Posted:
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Thank's Rickamaven, cuz I be in denial.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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bro
that is not just a river.
pabloescabar Offline
#16 Posted:
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but don't the river flow only one way ?
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#17 Posted:
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touché
bassdude Offline
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bloody spaniard Date: 10/23/2004 03:25 PM
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"The defeat of President Bush will send a chilling message to future presidents who may need to make difficult, yet unpopular decisions."

Yeah, it'll send the message NOT to lie & NOT to put other priorities above the needs/mandate of the constituency that put you in there. We don't need a true enemy of conservatism in there.

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Blood we both know that it will not.

Lazygardner Offline
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This election marks a crossroads in our history. We are presented with two radically different candidates with profound disagreements about how to conduct a historic worldwide war. We should remember that all our victorious past presidents were, at the moments of their crises, deeply unpopular precisely because they chose the difficult, long-term sacrifice for victory rather than submit to the expedient and convenient pleas for accommodation (if not outright capitulation). We are faced with just such an option today: a choice between a president whose call for patience and sacrifice promises victory, and a pessimist stirring the people with the assurances that we should not have fought, and now cannot win, the present war in Iraq.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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Lazygardner

that's strange. FDR got tlected 4 times. if he lived he would still be president.

care to know why?
SteveS Offline
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Because he was the great father of government giveaway, legislative largess, king of entitlements, the creator of Santa Goes To Washington ... the very reason for Hubert Humphrey, in his address to the Democratic convention in '48 predicting that the Dems would be in power for a long, long time to come ... "because we're the party of Santa Claus and the Republicans are the part of Scrooge and NO one will vote for Scrooge instead of Santa" ...
Lazygardner Offline
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Rickmaven,

Had Lincoln lost the 1864 bid for re-election, a victorious General McClellan would have settled for an American continent divided with slavery intact. Without Woodrow Wilson's re-election in 1916 — opposed by the isolationists — Western Europe would have lost millions of lives only to be trampled by Prussian militarism. Franklin Roosevelt's interventionism in the face of pacifists saved liberal democracy that exists today, and without the 1980 re-election of Ronald Reagan and his unpopular agenda for remaking the military, the Soviet Union might still be subsidizing global murder.

This war against Islamic fascism began with the Iranian seizure of the American embassy in 1979. Due to 25 years of American neglect and appeasement, we suffered continual escalating attacks culminating on September 11. Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, and John Kerry, so unlike their Democratic predecessors FDR, Harry Truman, and John Kennedy,have seen the struggle not as one for national survival, but at best as the lamentable dividend of mid-east poverty, and at worst as the felonious behavior of a few miscreants. Thus arose John Kerry's revealing use of "a more sensitive war plan" to suggest that we need to return either to further U.N. debate, Federal indictments or perhaps the occasional cruise missile — i.e., the status quo before 9/11 which had viewed this war against western civilization as a "nuisance."
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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Lazygardner

the soviet nation imploded. "tear down that wall" was nothing more then a photo opp. didn't he reagan visit a nazi ss cemetery?

kerry's use of the word nuisance, implies his plan to try to reduce the threat that bush and cheney have been using to scare the hell put of the part of their base, the non-contributers. the other part of his base, are the contributers to his election, the corporations that benifit financially.

even real conservatives don't like george's policies that are bankrupting the country.
Lazygardner Offline
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I'm dueling with an unarmed man.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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Lazygardner

perhaps you are smarter then you make yourself appear to be and you are only foiling with me.
SteveS Offline
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perhaps he is at that ... his assessments above are pretty accurate
usahog Offline
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LMAO @ Lazygardner!!!

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