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Combat Fatigue...
usahog Offline
#1 Posted:
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Posts: 22,691
How Many know what this is? Honest question here, and this platform/thread should not be made Political by any means...

anyone dealt with this first hand? How and Why if you do not mind posting?

Hog
Cavallo Offline
#2 Posted:
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hog: combat fatigue has gone by other names. in WWI it was "shell shock." in WWII it was "combat fatigue" and from 'nam on it's been categorized as PTSD -- post traumatic stress disorder.

i've never served so i've only studied "combat fatigue" from an academic POV. however, i do have PTSD. not from being in a "government issued" war, of course, but there are other causes; war is just the most commonly associated with PTSD.

there are a lot of myths about PTSD. it can be successfully treated. the symptoms are not always as blatent as being the wild-eyed nut job who jumps ten feet at the sound of a car backfiring, etc. i'd be happy to talk privately (and with 100% confidentiality) with anyone who has questions or wants to know more about it.
AVB Offline
#3 Posted:
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Patton had it right.
18delta Offline
#4 Posted:
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i happen to be one of "those wild-eyed nut job's" and have been known to jump at many loud, combat-like noises. but, as you've said, you never served so you wouldn't know about that. have had "personal experience" as well as clincal (phd in psychology/ma philosophy )
usahog Offline
#5 Posted:
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18Delta, I do not think Cav, meant anything derogitory in his statement above... Hell as I said I've had bouts of this myself... for me it is something that comes and goes... My Wife who has never in her life been in a combat environment will jump 10 ft and has simular symtoms... I think her's can be related to an abusive Ex Husband and her roll as a mother to protect her children, I cannot say for her though...

I can talk for myself and my experiances I dealt with...but as Cav pointed out this is probably a discussion that should be discussed off forum...

Tony Thank You for the links I forwarded them on to my family...

18delta Thank You for your service bro!!!!

Hog
echo4alpha Offline
#6 Posted:
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Never had a problem with PTSD or anything else. My fiancee jumps when she hears a loud bang, I don't. When I'm seiously injured, I never make a sound. And I'm by no means a tough guy either. Really average. You wouldn't even notice me in a crowd. Ask the guys who know me. I'm just the average dude.

Some get scrambled by combat. Some deal with it and move on. After my first firefight, I vommited and shook uncontrollably for about an hour. I even cried for few moments. I'm not ashamed of it. It was my way of dealing with it I guess.

I don't have flashbacks, I sleep well at night, and I'm not afraid of anything with teeth the same size or smaller than mine. Sorry I can't help you with the fatigue poll Hog, I don't have it.

All i can say is that if you deal with it, you should be fine. I know many other vets who are the same as myself. We were scared sh*tless, did what we had to, did things we weren't proud of, but came out of it fine.

Now if the black helos would just go away!!!
usahog Offline
#7 Posted:
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"Now if the black helos would just go away!!! " LMAO!!!

Thanks Echo for the imput... and also Thank You for your service and all the rest of the Vets on the Board and around the World....

Hog
Cavallo Offline
#8 Posted:
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thanks to all you gentlemen for your service!

18delta, i didn't mean anything derogatory towards those who do have overt PTSD symptoms -- i meant that the symptoms of it are just not ALWAYS the stereotypical responses (like jumping at loud noises, noises triggering flashbacks, etc.). people can look as "normal" as can be and have PTSD -- it's not always as it's stereotyped to be -- that's all i meant, but my apologies if i offended you.

i was unable to serve in the mil (tried right out of h.s. to join the marines). i became a cop later on, though, and that offers its own kind of "combat." there are similarities and there are differences, too.

there are many different events that can trigger PTSD -- domestic/child abuse (talk about a "personal war!"), rape, combat, torture, fires, dog attacks, hostage situations, natural disasters -- any traumatic situation where you feel that your life is imminently in danger can trigger it. the situations are different, and responses can be different, but the symptoms are all on the same list under PTSD in the DSM.

just one case in point -- my dad, usmc, fought in the south pacific in WWII where he saw lots of hand-to-hand combat. after the war, he seemed like he truly adjusted -- never had a problem with alcohol, drugs, etc., didn't seem to have reactions of any kind. his only manifestation came when he was asleep. when my mom would bump against him while they slept, dad would jump up and have her by the throat in a heartbeat. after a few episodes of that they decided to sleep in separate beds. it wasn't until late in his life that i finally got him into treatment (successful, thank god), but they both missed out on decades of sleeping together, and my mom developed symptoms of her own because of his responses, so they both ended up suffering from PTSD.

i continue to be interested in PTSD issues both from a personal POV and from a clinical/academic POV. if anyone wants to talk off the board about it in any form, please feel free to email me: BBELTRISI at ec.rr.com
echo4alpha Offline
#9 Posted:
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Hog,

First off, congrats on your retirement!!! Thanks for YOUR service. You served 4 times longer.

Cav, cops seem to suffer from PTSD way more than servicemen. I have no idea whay that it is. Any input would be helpful from your experience.

Respectfully,
E4A
echo4alpha Offline
#10 Posted:
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Tony,

I meant via e-mail, sorry!

R/S
Mike
18delta Offline
#11 Posted:
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my apologies to all who I may have offended. i tend to "jump the gun" sometimes and show my a@@ before anyone asks to see it. i realize that many different things/situations/experiences can cause someone to have ptsd. cavallo, i apologize directly to you, however, as i have seen that you are a friend to many people on this board and that your reputation is a good one. anyway, i deal with ptsd the best way that I can and ask god for help with these dreams, momentary lapses of reason, etc. He has never let me down, although i am afraid i let him down constantly. there is no better friend to have.
Cavallo Offline
#12 Posted:
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e4a: i've not been up to being at the 'puter lately, but i'll get back to ya asap!

18delta: no apology needed at all -- i'm always glad to see someone willing to speak out about ptsd; it's misunderstood by many, often including those who suffer from the symptoms but have not been diagnosed (or have been misdiagnosed, as often happens). all we can do is our best, and i'm 100% with you on the "god factor." hang in there, and keep on keeping on!
18delta Offline
#13 Posted:
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cavallo, send me your e-mail address and your street address as well......i am in a great mood.....i feel a bomb coming on.....small but no less lethal.....
18delta Offline
#14 Posted:
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cavallo, send me your e-mail address and your street address as well......i am in a great mood.....i feel a bomb coming on.....small but no less lethal.....
echo4alpha Offline
#15 Posted:
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18delta,

WTG!!! Some of the things the SpecOps community is exposed to will drive any man to the edge. It takes a strong man to apologize when he's wrong. And, you'll acquire a great friend in Tony. He's a helluva guy!

Repectfully,
E4A
18delta Offline
#16 Posted:
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up, up, up, up
Cavallo Offline
#17 Posted:
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right back atcha, e4a! this is altogether a great group of folks here at cbid, 18delta. we may be different as night and day on some political issues, but i'd gladly sit down and herf with anyone here.

my email: BBELTRISI at ec.rr.com (you gotta capitalize the first part, or sometimes it doesn't go through).
HockeyDad Offline
#18 Posted:
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A different type of combat fatigue....

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,133856,00.html
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