I want the investigation to be complete, but this sure looks bad.

Drafter you're right, but did he do anything to warrant lethal force? To me it appears he didn't. I hope the investigation vindicate the officer.

I guess the cops should have waited and confirmed he was in fact reaching for a gun and pointing it at them before they shot... I dunno...


It just seems like common sense to me.. there would have been plenty of time to complain about being treated unfairly, if that was the case, to a judge or an attorney the next morning.. just sit down or lay down or what ever they ask.. especially if there's a gun pointed at you...


I think they said the Lady cop got to the scene first and called for back-up.. I'm guessing he had none or very little respect for the Lady cop and things prolly got weird...

It's a bad deal all around....

Well you can hear her screaming "SHOTS FIRED!!"...now...ifn'he didn't have a gun...how'd he shoot?

Shots fired is a general statement that a gun was fired for the dispatch, marking a time stamp and for informing other officers in route. That "SHOTS FIRED!!" was for her firing.

So by not complying with the officers commands and walking back to the vehicle then reaching in through the window, that doesn't make this guy a threat? Really! If you have nothing to hide, comply.

I have not seen that in any video (which doesn't mean it didn't happen).

Basic suicide by cop 101.

The right thing to do was to follow a progression...

-see if he was really reaching for a gun.
-watch to see if he picked the gun up.
-wait until he points the gun at the officer.
-wait till he pulls the trigge-wait until the first officer falls (wait to see if the shot is fatal, and assess the race of the officer shot.)
-follow the same protocol if a second officer goes down
- the next officer should ask why he is angry, if he is lashing out due to expensive Affordable Healthcare plans, was raised by a single parent, or is disenfranchised.
-wait till the third office is killed.
- blame No Child Left Behind.
-wait for the fourth officer to go down.
-bring in an officer of the same hue of the shooter (or darker)
-ask him to (pretty please, with sugar on top) to drop the gun.
-pay the gun man's family a multi million dollar settlement because pretty please with sugar on top is offensive because the shooter had diabetes, and he was actually killed by sugar WHITE sugar.
-provide free excellerant so people can burn down their own neighborhoods and businesses.
-give the neighborhood a multi million dollar grant to rebuild.

It's the American way.

Hillary's gonna tell the white peoples to stop... it'll be ok soon... if she gets elected that is...

selling division is sexy
gotta prime the people
get them begging for daddy government to control their lives even more

It IS a bad deal all around. You guys have no idea ,unless you are in law enforcement, the "lack of respect" these
people show officers. I see it daily and it really is sickening. Perps of all ages have no respect for ANY authority,
police or not.

Damn racist cops.....

Interesting statement in that she distances herself from white people.

Of course that depends on her audience..

I think that was the point. A position of authority told them to and you must obey authorities.

There are plenty of interesting reads about the reaction to the requests even at the point of separating adults from children. Some obeyed authorities assuming that's what you should do and everything would be alright (the way we are conditioned) others did not.

I'm not sure what happened in tulsa and not ready to jump on either side like most are. I do get the point however.

signed fencepost

teedubbya - just pick a side... once the facts come out, if we find out we're wrong, we'll just sneak over to the other side while no one is looking... I do it all the time...

I'm ok with the Cove comments as written. Point made and not 'classless' to me.

I'm just down the fence from TW on the next post. I've always believed that cop authority is to be respected. And even if not truly respected or undeserved, the only smart move is to pretend.
But, its also clear to me that a lot of cops are screwing up lately....in some pretty surprising and glaring ways...while knowing full well that the eyes of the world are watching every move. I've been in those shoes and personally know very well how even the most 'routine' traffic stop can put even the best officers in anxious, if not scary and precarious positions. And I get that cops have been targeted and that makes things even worse...but there's too many people killed who do not present an immediate lethal threat. Hindsight/armchairing is unfair, but jeez....I get that people are upset

I think if I felt I was being harassed I'd make it clear verbally they were being **** but you can bet my hands will be where they can see them... And I'm sure as hell not going to make any sudden moves or walk away.. there's gonna be time to sort all the bad stuff out later...

was there time for Sandra Bland?

Nobody said it was appropriate to get shot...

Drafter... Your entire set of comments in this thread boil down to "its appropriate to shoot a suspect who isn't doing what they're told"....

I'm sorry you think that way... But you probably should move to Russia or North Korea or some other country more in line with your values.

Hey it's cool drafter. A guy got shot... Your stance is that he must not have done what the cops said, and he musta mouthed off to them or something... And that justifies it in your mind. .. I'm fine with that... Just want to make sure we're clear on what appropriate responses are to that's stuff.

Am I allowed to shoot people for not doing what I tell them too? Or is it just the cops that you think it's OK for?

I was just speculating but it is a common denominator in many shootings... I never said I was fine with it either... just stating how I would and have acted with a gun in my face...

I think that right there is where you did a little conclusion-jumping-to...

you interpret stuff funny... just sayin...