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FoxNews.com - Pence removing lobbyists from Trump transition team

Lobbyists are being purged from official roles in President-elect Donald Trump's transition team, sources told Fox News late Tuesday.

The move to get rid of lobbyists in key roles was one of the first decisions made by Vice President-elect Mike Pence in his role overseeing the construction of a Trump administration.

One source said the decision to remove the lobbyists "makes good on [Trump's] vision of how he wants his government constructed."

Tuesday evening, Pence formally signed a memorandum of understanding putting him in charge of the transition team. A similar document had been signed by New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, who spent months running transition operations before his demotion last week.

The switch slowed Trump's ability to coordinate the transfer of power with the Obama administration. White House spokeswoman Brandi Hoffine told the Associated Press the administration was waiting on more documents required by law before agencies could begin sharing information with the transition team.

Pence ignored questions from reporters Tuesday, both as he entered Trump Tower with a thick binder tucked under his arm, and as he left six hours later.

A person familiar with the transition efforts told AP different factions in Trump's team "are fighting for power."

"That organization right now is not designed to work," according to the person close to the efforts, who like others involved in the transition, insisted on anonymity because they were not authorized to publicly discuss the internal process.

The group organized by Christie had featured a litany of lobbyists, former bureaucrats, academics and corporate lawyers. That caused consternation from Trump, who won cheers on the campaign trail for his repeated promises to "drain the swamp" in Washington.

It had also drawn the attention of Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., who repeatedly attacked Trump during the campaign on behalf of his opponent, Hillary Clinton. On Tuesday, Warren called on Trump to replace more than 20 members of his transition team with ties to Wall Street firms and other corporations.

"If you refuse," Warren wrote, "I will oppose you, every step of the way, for the next four years. I will champion the millions of Americans you will fail to protect. I will track your every move, and I will remind Americans, every day, of the actions you take that fail them."

Among those who departed Trump's transition team Tuesday was former Rep. Mike Rogers, a Christie recruit and a respected Republican voice on national security issues. The Wall Street Journal reported that Frank Gaffney, a former defense official in the Reagan administration, had been brought in to assist on national security issues, along with Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., and former Rep. Pete Hoekstra.

Former GOP national security official Eliot Cohen blasted Trump's team on Twitter, calling them "angry, arrogant." Cohen opposed Trump during the campaign, but in recent days, he said those who feel duty-bound to work in a Trump administration should do so. But he said Tuesday that after an exchange with Trump's team, he had "changed my recommendation."

Trump's transition team was also reviewing secretary of state candidate Rudy Giuliani's paid consulting work for foreign governments, which could delay a nomination or bump Giuliani to a different position, according to a person briefed on the matter but not authorized to speak publicly about it.

Giuliani founded his own firm, Giuliani Partners, in 2001, and helped businesses on behalf of foreign governments, including Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Venezuela. He also advised TransCanada, which sought to build the controversial Keystone XL pipeline, and helped the maker of the painkiller drug OxyContin settle a dispute with the Drug Enforcement Administration.

Businessman Carl Icahn disclosed on Twitter, based on conversations with the president-elect, that Trump was considering Steve Mnuchin, a former Goldman Sachs banker, and Wilbur Ross, a billionaire investor, to lead the Treasury and Commerce departments.

Trump himself broke with protocol Tuesday night by leaving Trump Tower without his press contingent. The transition team had told reporters and photographers there would be no movement by the president-elect for the rest of the day and night, but less than two hours later a presidential-style motorcade rolled out of the building, suggesting that Trump was on the move and leaving reporters scrambling.

Trump turned up at Club 21, a midtown Manhattan restaurant where he was having dinner with his family. Reporters were not allowed inside, and Trump spokeswoman Hope Hicks asked that they respect that he was having an evening out with his family.

A short time later a tweet appeared on Trump's account: "Very organized process taking place as I decide on Cabinet and many other positions. I am the only one who knows who the finalists are!"

Fox News and the Associated Press contributed to this report.


(Spin #2) New York Times - Firings and Discord Put Trump Transition Team in a State of Disarray

WASHINGTON — President-elect Donald J. Trump’s transition was in disarray on Tuesday, marked by firings, infighting and revelations that American allies were blindly dialing in to Trump Tower to try to reach the soon-to-be-leader of the free world.


One week after Mr. Trump scored an upset victory that took him by surprise, his team was improvising the most basic traditions of assuming power. That included working without official State Department briefing materials in his first conversations with foreign leaders.

Two officials who had been handling national security for the transition, former Representative Mike Rogers of Michigan and Matthew Freedman, a lobbyist who consults with corporations and foreign governments, were fired. Both were part of what officials described as a purge orchestrated by Jared Kushner, Mr. Trump’s son-in-law and close adviser.


The dismissals followed the abrupt firing on Friday of Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey, who was replaced as chief of the transition by Vice President-elect Mike Pence. Mr. Kushner, a transition official said, was systematically dismissing people like Mr. Rogers and Mr. Freedman who had ties with Mr. Christie. As a federal prosecutor, Mr. Christie had sent Mr. Kushner’s father to jail.

Prominent American allies were in the meantime scrambling to figure out how and when to contact Mr. Trump. At times they have been patched through to him in his luxury office tower with little warning, according to a Western diplomat who spoke on the condition of anonymity to detail private conversations.

President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi of Egypt was the first to reach Mr. Trump for such a call last Wednesday, followed by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel not long afterward. But that was about 24 hours before Prime Minister Theresa May of Britain got through — a striking break from diplomatic practice given the close alliance between the United States and Britain.

Despite the haphazard nature of Mr. Trump’s early calls with world leaders, Mr. Trump’s advisers said the transition team was not suffering unusual setbacks. They argued that they were hard at work behind the scenes dealing with the same troubles that incoming presidents have faced for decades.

“Completely normal,” said Rudolph W. Giuliani, the former New York mayor, who emerged on Tuesday as the leading contender to be Mr. Trump’s secretary of state. “It happened in the Reagan transition. Clinton had delays in hiring people.”

Mr. Giuliani, who made his comments in a telephone interview, added: “This is a hard thing to do. Transitions always have glitches. This is an enormously complex process.”

There were some reports within the transition of score-settling.

One member of the transition team said that at least one reason Mr. Rogers had fallen out of favor among Trump’s advisers was that, as chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, he had overseen a report about the 2012 attacks on the American diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya, which concluded that the Obama administration had not intentionally misled the public about the events there. That report echoed the findings of numerous other government investigations into the episode.

Eliot A. Cohen, a former State Department official who had criticized Mr. Trump during the campaign but said after his election that he would keep an open mind about advising him, said Tuesday on Twitter that he had changed his opinion. After speaking to the transition team, he wrote, he had “changed my recommendation: stay away. They’re angry, arrogant, screaming ‘you LOST!’ Will be ugly.”

Mr. Cohen, a conservative Republican who served under President George W. Bush, said Trump transition officials had excoriated him after he offered some names of people who might serve in the new administration, but only if someone they saw as credible led the department.

“They think of these jobs as lollipops,” Mr. Cohen said in an interview.

Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona and the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, weighed in as well. On Tuesday, he issued a blunt warning to Mr. Trump and his emerging foreign policy team not to be taken in by President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia, whom Mr. Trump praised during the campaign. “The Obama administration’s last attempt at resetting relations with Russia culminated in Putin’s invasion of Ukraine and military intervention in the Middle East,” Mr. McCain said.

Some of the early transition difficulties may reflect the fact that Mr. Trump, who has no governing experience or Washington network and campaigned as an agent of change, does not have a long list of establishment figures from the Bush era to tap. His allies suggested that might ultimately prove positive for Mr. Trump if he was able to assemble a functioning team that would bring new perspectives to his administration.

For advice on building Mr. Trump’s national security team, his inner circle has been relying on three hawkish current and former American officials: Representative Devin Nunes, Republican of California, who is chairman of the House Intelligence Committee; Peter Hoekstra, a former Republican congressman and former chairman of the Intelligence Committee; and Frank Gaffney, a Pentagon official during the Reagan administration and a founder of the Center for Security Policy.

Mr. Gaffney has long advanced baseless conspiracy theories, including that President Obama might be a closet Muslim. The Southern Poverty Law Center described him as “one of America’s most notorious Islamophobes.”

Prominent donors to Mr. Trump were also having little success in recruiting people for rank-and-file posts in his administration. Rebekah Mercer, the scion of a powerful family of conservative donors and a member of Mr. Trump’s executive transition committee, has said in conversations with Republican operatives and previous administration officials that she was having trouble finding takers for posts at the under secretary level and below, according to a person familiar with her outreach efforts. She told them that the transition team was more than a month behind schedule and on a tight timeline.

In another delay, Mr. Pence did not sign legally required paperwork to allow his team to begin collaborating with Mr. Obama’s aides until Tuesday evening, a transition spokesman said. Mr. Christie on Election Day signed a memorandum of understanding to put the process into motion as soon as the outcome was determined, but once he was ousted from the job, Mr. Pence had to sign a new agreement.

The paperwork serves as a nondisclosure agreement for both sides, ensuring that members of the president-elect’s team do not divulge information about the inner workings of the government that they learn during the transition, and that the president’s aides do not reveal anything they may discover about the incoming administration’s plans.

Teams throughout the federal government and at the White House that have prepared briefing materials and status reports for the incoming president’s team are on standby, waiting to begin passing the information to their counterparts on Mr. Trump’s staff.

As of Tuesday afternoon, officials at key agencies including the Justice and Defense Departments said they had received no contact from the president-elect’s team.




Got to love the negative. Guess some just want or can't learn.












teedubbya Offline
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Either that or neither mouthpiece is completely accurate but both together give you a pretty good picture.
deadeyedick Offline
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No wonder over 92% of the DC vote went to Hillary. They all fear for their jobs.
sd72 Offline
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So many words.
teedubbya Offline
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One of the news outlets (CNN maybe? I dunno I was getting ready for work) held out both of these articles and presented them as conflicting but likely both accurate in some ways and inaccurate in others. .
DrafterX Offline
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Sounds more like the DIY channel... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
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you and your obsession with self pleasuring
DrafterX Offline
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Is that what that channel is about..?? I completely misunderstood that one... Think
teedubbya Offline
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there are a couple hot chicks on there doing work and stuff
ZRX1200 Offline
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The same CNN that was colluding with the Dems?
teedubbya Offline
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couldn't tell you. im not in the know like you.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
The same CNN that was colluding with the Dems?



It's not reported as the Clinton News Network for nothing! 30 years and counting!
DrafterX Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
there are a couple hot chicks on there doing work and stuff



I like hot chicks doing work and stuff.... Mellow
MACS Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
The same CNN that IS colluding with the Dems?


FIFY
Burner02 Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
One of the news outlets (CNN maybe? I dunno I was getting ready for work) held out both of these articles and presented them as conflicting but likely both accurate in some ways and inaccurate in others. .




I didn't rely on the Clinton News Network, I did my own comparison.
teedubbya Offline
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Burner02 wrote:
I didn't rely on the Clinton News Network, I did my own comparison.



Me too. I just found it interesting they were covering both slants.
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teedubbya wrote:
One of the news outlets (CNN maybe? I dunno I was getting ready for work) held out both of these articles and presented them as conflicting but likely both accurate in some ways and inaccurate in others. .

kinda the explanation I would expect from a liberal media organization desperately trying to save face after their "journalists" and "news anchors" were crying off camera at the defeat of hillary clinton...

the more likely explanation is that trump is doing what he said he would to lobbyists and the political elite and their media mouthpiece are doing everything they can to make it look bad...
teedubbya Offline
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Maybe so. I just don't trust one source. I tend to read many and make my best guess. Sounds like you are doing the same but drawing a different conclusion. Fair enough.

I just noticed they were not ignoring the other news outlet and found it odd. Baby steps.
ZRX1200 Offline
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Wiki leaks dude.
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>> It had also drawn the attention of Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., who repeatedly attacked Trump during the campaign on behalf of his opponent, Hillary Clinton. On Tuesday, Warren called on Trump to replace more than 20 members of his transition team with ties to Wall Street firms and other corporations.

"If you refuse," Warren wrote, "I will oppose you, every step of the way, for the next four years. I will champion the millions of Americans you will fail to protect. I will track your every move, and I will remind Americans, every day, of the actions you take that fail them." >>




I love when Pocahontas acts like she is not irrelevant!

Applause


tailgater Offline
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Not irrelevant.
She scares the sh*t out of me.

I wish her twisted policies were conservative, because she's the type of politician you want on your side.
She's completely misguided and without merit, and she spews hypocrisy that would make even Nancy Pelosi vomit. But she's becoming more effective each night that she sleeps upside down in the vampires lair.

She doesn't know where her bread is buttered.
She hates capitalism and doesn't understand that businesses pay the government that pay her salary.
She thinks it's OK to falsify racial identity in order to obtain a position.
She thinks that teaching a single course is "earning" her $350,000 salary, but running a company of 10,000 employees is akin to robbing the masses blind.
She is the architect of the "You didn't build that" quote, of that entire mentality. (emphasis on mental)

And she will be our first woman President, because her hateful anti-wealth hypocrisy is the elixir from which all liberals quench their thirst.

Plus, Z fantasizes about riding her doggy style.


ZRX1200 Offline
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In the 69 my nose will tickle her rear.
Mr. Jones Offline
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#1 burner O.P.

To semi-quote you....

"GOTTA LOVE KUSHNERS KARMA ATTACK
ON CHRIS CHRISTIE....
KARMA IS A BEOTCH!!!
And ALWAYS bites your ass when you least expect
It...."

Poor CHRIS CHRISTIE has kissed TRUMPS AZZ
FOR 18 + months...and a GEN-X "IN-LAW" with
A 25? Year grudge SMACKS HIM DOWN....

BIG-TIME....

I guess he has to wait for a few more
Natural disasters to get popular again.
Brewha Offline
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I think Nancy jilted Tailgater.....
tailgater Offline
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Brew's just mad because Trump hasn't tried to grab his kitty.

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The left-wing media is scared ****less. For the first time in recent history they don't have a hand in policy, not that they should. If Trumps's team is in such a disarray then one wonders why he is much farther ahead in his picks than any recent President-elect. Also, he's been more transparent. He isn't meeting people he's considering in private. They are parading in and out of TT for all to see.
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I bet they're not coming out with BigMacs either.... Mellow
Brewha Offline
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Abrignac wrote:
The left-wing media is scared ****less. For the first time in recent history they don't have a hand in policy, not that they should. If Trumps's team is in such a disarray then one wonders why he is much farther ahead in his picks than any recent President-elect. Also, he's been more transparent. He isn't meeting people he's considering in private. They are parading in and out of TT for all to see.

His picks are speedy, I would have thought the auction process would take longer.
DrafterX Offline
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I think they caught onto that when Obama became Senator... Mellow
Brewha Offline
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So thet's why the senate is mostly Repulican....

Better funding.
Burner02 Offline
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Brewha wrote:
His picks are speedy, I would have thought the auction process would take longer.




Must not be using the Obama plan.
Brewha Offline
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Burner02 wrote:
Must not be using the Obama plan.

No he is not at all using the Obama plan - of picking by merit.

Strictly the highest bidder sir.

Wanna be in office? What can you do for me?
Burner02 Offline
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Brewha wrote:
No he is not at all using the Obama plan - of picking by merit.



Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!


Get a grip Bre, your side screwed things up for eight years.

Our turn to play in the sand box, so enjoy the ride.

You may even like it.
Brewha Offline
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Burner02 wrote:
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!


Get a grip Bre, your side screwed things up for eight years.

Our turn to play in the sand box, so enjoy the ride.

You may even like it.

Well we are all going for a ride - that much is sure.

In all honesty I wish us all well and hope that Trump can deliver where he has failed so very often in the past.

But I think the Right will simply be happy with some back sliding on civil rights, large takes breaks for the wealth, a nice new war - maybe two.

You must be annoyed with his early flip floping on promises. Apparently he is loosing his nerve to go after the Clinton's - even called them "good people". That's just gotta pizz off all the folks who wanted their witch hunt. And apparently - according to Trump, there IS a link between pollution and climate change - OMG, what a turn coat.

But I'm sure PT Barnum will put on a good show.....
DrafterX Offline
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Well, he's not Hillary. .. so we got that going for us... Mellow
DrafterX Offline
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And ya, his aide said he may not assign a prosecutor to investigate her... but he won't step in front of the FBI like Obama did... it's not over... he prolly just wants the admission guilt. .. Mellow
DrafterX Offline
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Hillary and OJ have alot in common and will go in history together as such... Mellow
DrafterX Offline
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In fact I wouldn't be surprised if they sealed the records for fifty years. .. I'll prolly never know the truth but maybe Chelsea wiu spend her last crumbly years in Sing Sing... Mellow
DrafterX Offline
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Mellow
Brewha Offline
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Drafter, you sound like Ahab.

I mean I get the propaganda - make Clinton look like a crook. When Trump escapes his feloneis only by means of layers and money. Which by the way have failed him to the tune of $25 million in the last fraud suit alone.

But the GOP has spent over the last 30 years, $500 million trying to find some dirt on Clinton. And nothing, nada, buttkiss.





But at least you found your wail.

DrafterX Offline
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Laugh

It was getting slow... just stirring da pot...



She's been protected tho... Mellow
Covfireman Offline
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Brewha wrote:
His picks are speedy, I would have thought the auction process would take longer.



Trump is not like Hilary!!

He just prices his junk at retail then marks down what's left .


Hilary auctioned hers off through the Clinton Foundation .
Brewha Offline
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I don't think anyone wants Trump's junk.

Even Melania won't move into the White house with him.
(Can you blame her?)
Covfireman Offline
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I'm sure the chauffeur is banging that like a 5 year old with a new drum set.
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Brewha wrote:
No he is not at all using the Obama plan - of picking by merit.

Strictly the highest bidder sir.

Wanna be in office? What can you do for me?


Obama would never do such a thing! Please try again

Obama donors net government jobs
06/15/11 04:37 AM EDT

More than two years after Obama took office vowing to banish “special interests” from his administration, nearly 200 of his biggest donors have landed plum government jobs and advisory posts, won federal contracts worth millions of dollars for their business interests or attended numerous elite White House meetings and social events, an investigation by iWatch News has found.


http://www.politico.com/story/2011/06/obama-donors-net-government-jobs-056993#ixzz4NOdpABqB

Obama rewards big bundlers with jobs, commissions, stimulus money, government contracts, and more


Obama’s Donors Get Jobs & Contracts

http://emp.byui.edu/MarrottR/101_Obama donor jobs_JMSeidl.pdf


Report: Obama Administration Rewards Big Donors With Jobs

President Obama launched his campaign in 2007 promising a change in the way business is done in Washington, D.C., but today a report from the Center for Public Integrity says that when it comes to major campaign donors scoring plum administration positions, it's business as usual.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/report-obama-administration-rewards-big-donors-jobs/story?id=13849435



teedubbya Offline
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So obama didn't drain the swamp.

Trump is going to. He's gonna lock Hillary up to because of her lies, foundations fraud and pay for play etc.
Brewha Offline
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Yeah, Obama was too busy cleaning up Bush's mess to drain the swamp.

But I hear Trump already has Palin in there with a bucket......
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