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Shipping - does this not dry out the cigars
Freakazoid Offline
#1 Posted:
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I just won a lot of cigars, and the shipping time is going to be a week. In that 7 day period, do the cigars not dry out significantly? Research that I've done showed that after just 24 hours with a cigar being outside of a humidor, it begins to lose the oils and moisture.
DrafterX Offline
#2 Posted:
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they ship them wrapped in lettuce... they'll be fine... ThumpUp
SMOKEYOU Offline
#3 Posted:
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They'll be fine. If your worried buy boxes.
dstieger Offline
#4 Posted:
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You're screwed. Your cigars, I mean. Those of us who care deeply about shipping time's ill effects on cigars have moved. We all live in Nicaragua on the edges of the tobacco fields and in the lofts of the factories. It's a wonder that anyone buys cigars that need to be shipped.....crazy
Freakazoid Offline
#5 Posted:
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I just did a quick re-visiting of the topic, and strangely, most comments from cigar users are saying that a cigar can be "repaired" with the humidor. In the past, I read that the cigars lose some of the oils if they are left out for too long.
Freakazoid Offline
#6 Posted:
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dstieger wrote:
You're screwed. Your cigars, I mean. Those of us who care deeply about shipping time's ill effects on cigars have moved. We all live in Nicaragua on the edges of the tobacco fields and in the lofts of the factories. It's a wonder that anyone buys cigars that need to be shipped.....crazy


so funny and clever! Applause
dstieger Offline
#7 Posted:
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Freakazoid wrote:
I just did a quick re-visiting of the topic, and strangely, most comments from cigar users are saying that a cigar can be "repaired" with the humidor. In the past, I read that the cigars lose some of the oils if they are left out for too long.



'too long' is the operative word...one week in zip lock bags is not 'too long'...the only time I can recall destroying a cigar by leaving it 'out for too long' was one I managed to drop in between my driver's seat and console a couple years back. Nearly a year later, when I found it, I stuck it in my humi for about 3 weeks, or so...then, when I took it out and tried to smoke it, I found it less than satisfying
KingoftheCove Offline
#8 Posted:
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Freakazoid wrote:
I just won a lot of cigars, and the shipping time is going to be a week. In that 7 day period, do the cigars not dry out significantly? Research that I've done showed that after just 24 hours with a cigar being outside of a humidor, it begins to lose the oils and moisture.

Congrats Zoid.
You are a first post Hall of Fame contender!
Cameroon will come along to fix your handle.
ZRX will move you up the camping list.

As far as your dried out cigars? The Padrons, Fuentes and Ligas need special treatment after that long shipping period. Given your noobish question, despite being here for 4+ years, it's apparent that you do not have the skills, or the equipment to properly restore premium cigars.
To that end, you should know that I provide exactly such a service for "stale noobs" such as yourself. Simply send me your premiums, and I'll restore them for you. After testing a few of them to be sure they're ready, I'll send them back to you........but you pay shipping.
PM me for details.
cameroon Offline
#9 Posted:
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Welcome! 4 years is a long time to lurk.

For the sake of reference, can we call you Zoidberg? I would imagine you not only look like him, but sound like him too.
madspackler Offline
#10 Posted:
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When the cigars arrive, you can refresh them with a rest in your humidor. Whatever they lost in a week should be replenished in a week or two. If you think they are in need of an extended nap, purchase extras next time so some can vacation in the humidor while others smolder in your ashtray.


Welcome to the boards.
Freakazoid Offline
#11 Posted:
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Thanks madspackler, appreciated. Nice to see another adult here.
SMOKEYOU Offline
#12 Posted:
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Whatever, you should put your balls in the humidor cause I think you need to restore those too.
NWStogie Offline
#13 Posted:
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I always figured that as long as the smokes are shipped in an airtight container (preferably a ziploc type bag) with the cigar to air volume ratio to be biased towards the cigars, the humidity equilibrium reached during shipment should not be much different than what the cigars were being stored at prior to shipping.

As a result, outside of my own impatience, shipping times never have bunched my panties much.

Am I missing something, here?
Freakazoid Offline
#14 Posted:
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When I did research in the past, I read that although cigars can be re-humidified, they lose some of their oils as soon as they dry out. There seems to be some differing opinions out there, but in re-visiting the subject this morning, I've read most people seem to think it's no big deal for a week or so. I haven't read much about the oils being addressed specifically.
NWStogie Offline
#15 Posted:
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Where do the oils go? Water evaporates. Volatile fluids evaporate. I'm not so sure the oils in a cigar are all that volatile.

But wtf do I know? I'm still a Noob.
DrafterX Offline
#16 Posted:
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beetles drink it all up.... Beer
NWStogie Offline
#17 Posted:
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Dang beetles.
dharbolt Offline
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Freakazoid wrote:
When I did research in the past, I read that although cigars can be re-humidified, they lose some of their oils as soon as they dry out. There seems to be some differing opinions out there, but in re-visiting the subject this morning, I've read most people seem to think it's no big deal for a week or so. I haven't read much about the oils being addressed specifically.


Your over thinking it. No one has problems with this.
dstieger Offline
#19 Posted:
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As TG has taught us, cigars are a far more resilient commodity than we give them credit for. It takes some pretty significant mishandling to permanently harm them...short of breaking, bending, puncturing. It is true that a very badly dried out cigar may not be 'revive-able', but we're talking weeks or perhaps even months depending on ambient RH and temp. Every cigar consumer on this forum buys cigars on the internet and has them shipped to them....from scorching summer days to mid-winter single digit RH days. The cigars manage to survive...or we wouldn't buy them....well, some of you might...but I wouldn't...unless maybe I was really really low. Or...maybe its all BS perpetrated by the evil monster cigar retailers and Drafter is correct....fn beetles
Abrignac Offline
#20 Posted:
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Freakazoid wrote:
I just won a lot of cigars, and the shipping time is going to be a week. In that 7 day period, do the cigars not dry out significantly? Research that I've done showed that after just 24 hours with a cigar being outside of a humidor, it begins to lose the oils and moisture.



A week transit time???? Where are you having them shipped? The dark side of the moon?

Suggestion: Call customer service (hint: the number is on right of center). Ask them to switch you to weekly shipping closing on Tuesday and that your cigars are shipped via USPS. My orders usually arrived by Friday of the same week. It will cost $7.95 per order.

HTH
dharbolt Offline
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dstieger wrote:
I am really really low.


Whistle
jjanecka Offline
#22 Posted:
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Zoidberg, there are numerous considerations when thinking about your smokes and in reality the old 70/70 rule of thumb while not detrimental might not be optimal for smokes. In fact during summer heatwaves it's actually better for your cigars to be shipped with lower humidity in order to prevent mold from setting in.

In the winter yeah, it's 'better' for them to be shipped at a higher humidity since the temperatures are much cooler; however, consider the facts.

The smokes are always put in a ziplock bag which pretty much ensures a sealed environment for the duration of their transport. Stores usually keep their smokes at 70% so we can assume that they're shipped out at 70%. Then we have to acknowledge the fact that these cigars are sealed away in a box which was sitting in the store at 70% rh. Then we have to consider the thickness of the actual cigar wrapper. Is it a maduro? Yes? Maduros have significantly thicker wrappers than naturals and are much more optimal to smoke at 60-65%. Even yet still, there is much discussion and debate that most cigars can get as low as 55% and still retain full flavor.

The reality is that you shouldn't be concerned about 7 days shipping because the moisture loss is relatively slow considering the variables. What is a killer; however, are major fluctuations from dry to moist and moist to dry. You can see that in really crappy cigar shops where the lack of care has literally eaten away bits and pieces of cigar wrappers. I'll never forget walking into a liquor store in Ocean Springs, MS. They had a very well stocked walk-in but the wrappers were torn to shreds because they skimped on a good humidification system and the humidity would regularly swing 20 points in either direction over the course of a week. Translated over a few months that's something to worry about but a 5-10pt drop in humidity that's slowly aggregated over 7 days is nothing to worry about.
Freakazoid Offline
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thx for the suggestions/wisdom
MACS Offline
#24 Posted:
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Freakazoid wrote:
When I did research in the past, I read that although cigars can be re-humidified, they lose some of their oils as soon as they dry out. There seems to be some differing opinions out there, but in re-visiting the subject this morning, I've read most people seem to think it's no big deal for a week or so. I haven't read much about the oils being addressed specifically.


I've been doing my own research for 'round about 16 years now. I frequently take cigars on trips with me in a cigar caddy with no humidification. They're fine. You could leave it in a drawer for a week and it'd be fine.

Excessive heat and over-humidification are more worrisome than a week in a plastic bag in transit.

You be ayite, nome sayin'?
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NWStogie wrote:
Where do the oils go? Water evaporates. Volatile fluids evaporate. I'm not so sure the oils in a cigar are all that volatile.

But wtf do I know? I'm still a Noob.


They become plume ! EVERYBODY knows that !




















































Sarcasm (Just to remove any possible doubt.)
stinger88 Offline
#26 Posted:
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If you only have enough cigars that you have to smoke the ones as soon as you get them, you are doing something wrong and must be low. I don't think I have ever smoked a cigar (purchased online) sooner than three to four weeks from receiving them. Now if I receive them from one of the fine BOTL/SOTL on here, I don't have any problems lighting them up right away. A week in a Baggie does no harm unless they sit on your porch for four days in Key West sunshine. Not that that ever happened to me........more than once.

David
Freakazoid Offline
#27 Posted:
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stinger88 wrote:
If you only have enough cigars that you have to smoke the ones as soon as you get them, you are doing something wrong and must be low. I don't think I have ever smoked a cigar (purchased online) sooner than three to four weeks from receiving them. Now if I receive them from one of the fine BOTL/SOTL on here, I don't have any problems lighting them up right away. A week in a Baggie does no harm unless they sit on your porch for four days in Key West sunshine. Not that that ever happened to me........more than once.

David


No, I have no rush to smoke them at all. I was just curious of the oils of the cigar, and the effects. Seems to be the consensus that a little time in a ziplock is not going to affect them too much. I'm also going to take note and do my own personal analysis.
sd72 Offline
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I worry more about the weeks to months they sit in shipping company warehouses before they're cleared to ship to retailers and online cigar sellers. Or the time they sit in oven like containers clearing customs, or import inspections. Now that I think about it, they're prolly ruined before Cbid ever gets their hands on them.
gummy jones Offline
#29 Posted:
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dont let the "get off my lawn" crew scare ya away, they are harmless really

its a reasonable question that no one has (that ive seen) a great double blinded and measured experimental answer for
but anecdotally, most of us would agree that cigars benefit from a reacclimation period of 1-3 months after being shipped (assuming your humidor is setup properly)

once again, anecdotally, i have found shipped cigars are more likely to show up on the wet rather than dry side
in fact, when i throw them in one of the humis, if the purchase was substantial, the hydrometer goes up
i live in the northeast and keep my humis 65-67 so ymmv

all in all, if it is really terrible for the cigars then i would suggest that we have all been enjoying terrible cigars and ignorance is bliss
sd72 Offline
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We need another voice of reason as much as we need another silly question.
SMOKEYOU Offline
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https://youtu.be/RmBeg5YLpns


I just edited the link. Previous link was wrong.

I thought this video was informative.
gummy jones Offline
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sd72 wrote:
We need another voice of reason as much as we need another silly question.


Frying pan
DrMaddVibe Offline
#33 Posted:
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Freakazoid wrote:
I just did a quick re-visiting of the topic, and strangely, most comments from cigar users are saying that a cigar can be "repaired" with the humidor. In the past, I read that the cigars lose some of the oils if they are left out for too long.



Not for you.

You suck open ass.

Your posts show that you're weak and pathetic. You don't belong here. We all know it. Now, because you posted this...we DEFINITELY know it.

You will NEVER fit in here. Go scream to your momma or your Ken doll because nobody here wants to hear this nonsense.

Flush your own toilet.
MACS Offline
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^^He's not usually this dickish.

I believe he's just attempting to see if you have thick skin. Or if you're at least wearing a coat.
Buckwheat Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Not for you.

You suck open ass.

Your posts show that you're weak and pathetic. You don't belong here. We all know it. Now, because you posted this...we DEFINITELY know it.

You will NEVER fit in here. Go scream to your momma or your Ken doll because nobody here wants to hear this nonsense.

Flush your own toilet.


Hurricane headache Johann? Beer

Don't sweat the small stuff freak. Life's too short. fog
frankj1 Offline
#36 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
^^He's not usually this dickish.

I believe he's just attempting to see if you have thick skin. Or if you're at least wearing a coat.

you are making too much sense tonight. one of us needs another drink. I'll volunteer.
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