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what does this symbolize to you??
Robby Offline
#101 Posted:
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John, you don't happen to wear a size 9 do you?
southernsupreme Offline
#102 Posted:
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I could use some new shoes, guess I will go take a walk : )
cwilhelmi Offline
#103 Posted:
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crazy as it seems, I agree with John on this one... ;-)

Whenever I see this disgusting symbol I cringe, whomever I see sporting it has that right, but I choose not to acknowledge them. I will not associate with the KIND of person that would wear or display this symbol of hatred. And anyone who thinks it has a place on any public building is dilusional at best.

It carries with it the same type of emotional scars as the swastika, this fact cannot be debated. The swastika had wide use unrelated to the nazi party prior to WWII, does it now? No, because of the association it holds, and neither should the confederate flag for the same reasons.
tailgater Offline
#104 Posted:
Joined: 06-01-2000
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Is it too late to say Lynyrd Skynyrd?
E-Chick Offline
#105 Posted:
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MY EYES ARE BLEEDING...

Right to bear arms...a wrist rocket or pellet gun shot into just the right spot will leave you just as dead as a M-14 or bomb or whatever other 'arms' you are bearing...

From now on, call me an German-Irish-English-Cherokee-American...I'm going back to my roots...

btw, LOL@tailgater...
rayder1 Offline
#106 Posted:
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This symbolizes to me a thread that was once a fully intact dead horse.

Now it seems people are beating the ground with their fists...now that the dead horse has been pulverized.

xaigoxx Offline
#107 Posted:
Joined: 01-01-2000
Posts: 122
well i dont agree with Robby still. But oh well. Ill just add sweet and sour sauce or kimichi flavor to all the cigars I trade with him in the future.

Obviously everyone here as too many opposing views and this debate will never end. Everyone is an idiot to everyone else and blah blah. Good discussion, lets go out for some rum and gars
E-Chick Offline
#108 Posted:
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And the congregation said, "Amen!"
usahog Offline
#109 Posted:
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This is a Exerpt from this web site Flags of History..
http://www.usflag.org/confederate.stars.and.bars.html

Note: It is necessary to disclaim any connection of these flags to neo-nazis, red-necks, skin-heads and the like. These groups have adopted this flag and desecrated it by their acts. They have no right to use this flag - it is a flag of honor, designed by the confederacy as a banner representing state's rights and still revered by the South. In fact, under attack, it still flies over the South Carolina capitol building. The South denies any relation to these hate groups and denies them the right to use the flags of the confederacy for any purpose. The crimes committed by these groups under the stolen banner of the conderacy only exacerbate the lies which link the seccesion to slavery interests when, from a Southerner's view, the cause was state's rights.

Note contributed by BJ Meksikatsi.

as I said before and in the Begining of this Debate that has led to Arguement... the Flag is a Symbol of History and Battle Flag of the Confederacy of the Civil War.. a War over "States Rights" Slavery was an issue in the war Yes.. it was actually the Final Straw that led to the first shots fired...

Now tomorrow I have posted another Flag... lets see how much attention it gets and who even knows what it stands for or belongs to!!!

This turned out to be an Amazing Thread...

John, Congratulations on your New Arrival... is this your first child? May God Bless your Whole Family and look over you also!!! One of the Greatest Gifts in the whole world is seeing a New Child Born!!

Hog
usahog Offline
#110 Posted:
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I would like to propose we put this Thread to rest and in closing use the words of Robert E. Lee himself and what he represented to the remainder of this Great Nation America!!!

Farewell to the Army of Northern Virginia
by Robert E. Lee
After four years of arduous service, marked by unsurpassed courage and fortitude, the Army of Northern Virginia has been compelled to yield to overwhelming numbers and resources.

I need not tell the survivors of so many hard-fought battles who have remained steadfast to the last that I have consented to this result from no distrust of them; but feeling that valor and devotion could accomplish nothing that could compensate for the loss that would have attended the continuance of the contest, I determined to avoid the useless sacrifice of those whose past services have endeared them to their countrymen. By the terms of the agreement, officers and men can return to their homes and remain until exchanged.

You may take with you the satisfaction that proceeds from the consciousness of duty faithfully performed, and I earnestly pray that a merciful God will extend to you his blessing and protection.

With an unceasing admiration of your constancy and devotion to your country, and a grateful remembrance of your kind and generous consideration of myself, I bid you all an affectionate farewell.

The Character of Lee: by John Williams Jones

He possessed every virtue of the great commanders, without their vices. He was a foe without hate; a friend without treachery; a private citizen without wrong; a neighbor without reproach; a Christian without hypocrisy, and a man without guilt. He was a Caesar without his ambition; a Frederick without his tyranny; a Napoleon without his selfishness; and a Washington without his reward. He was obedient to authority as a servant, and loyal in authority as a true king. He was gentle as a woman in life; modest and pure as a virgin in thought; watchful as a Roman vestal in duty; submissive to law as Socrates, and grand in battle as Achilles.

He Lost a War and Won Immortality: by Louis Redmond

Even among the free, it is not always easy to live together. There came a time, less than a hundred years ago, when the people of this country disagreed so bitterly among themselves that some of them felt they could not go on living with the rest.

A test of arms was made to decide whether Americans should remain one nation or become two. The armies of those who believed in two nations were led by a man named Robert E. Lee.

What about Lee? What kind of man was he who nearly split the history of the United States down the middle and made two separate books of it?

They say you had to see him to believe that a man so fine could e,xist. He was handsome. He was clever. He was brave. He was gentle. He was generous and charming, noble and modst, admired and beloved. He had never failed at anything in his upright soldier's life. He was a born winner, this Robert E. Lee. Except for once. In the greatest contest of his life, in the war beween the South and the North, Robert E. Lee lost.

Now there were men who came with smouldering eyes to Lee and said: "Let's not accept this result as final. Let's keep our anger alive. Let's be grim and unconvinced, and wear our bitterness like a medal. You can be our leader in this."

But Lee shook his head at those men. "Abandon your animosities," he said, "and make your sons Americans."

And what did he do himself when his war was lost? He took a job as president of a tiny college, with forty students and four profes- sors, at a salary of $1500 a year. He had commanded thousands of young men in battle. Now he wanted to prepare a few hun- dred of them for the duties of peace. So the countrymen of Robert E. Lee saw how a born winner loses, and it seemed to them that in defeat he won his most lasting victory.

There is an art of losing, and Robert E. Lee is its finest teacher. In a democracy, where opposing viewpoints regularly meet for a test of ballots, it is good for all of us to know how to lose occasionally, how to yield peacefully, for the sake of freedom. Lee is our master in this. The man who fought against the Union showed us what unity means.

http://www.usflag.org/confederate.stars.and.bars.html

I Named my Harley after Gen. Lee's Horse... does anyone know what his Horses name was or the type of horse it was? he had many horses, but he Truely had only one..

Gen. Grant was also one of my Favorite Gen.

Hog
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#111 Posted:
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"strange fruit"
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#112 Posted:
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E-Chick e

a wrist rocket or pellet gun shot into just the right spot will leave you just as dead as a M-14 or bomb or whatever other 'arms' you are bearing...

don't be silly
Robby Offline
#113 Posted:
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Outlaw knives, they're dangerous and must be controlled... People don't kill people, CARS kill people, outlaw cars and force people to mass transit. Outlaw all toys with small parts to prevent possible choking. Quarantine anyone with questionable lifestyles. Climbing in to my body condom now and pulling the sheets over my head.

Those that sacrifice liberty for safety will find that they loose both…
Spiny Norman Offline
#114 Posted:
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"I Named my Harley after Gen. Lee's Horse... does anyone know what his Horses name was or the type of horse it was? he
had many horses, but he Truely had only one.. "

"Traveller"
The iron gray horse was born in 1857 in Greenbrier County, which is now in West Virginia. He was first called Jeff Davis by Andrew Johnston, who raised him. He was renamed Greenbrier by his next owner, Captain Joseph M. Broun. Lee bought the horse from Capt. Broun for $200 during his late 1861 stay in South Carolina. Lee renamed his new mount Traveller. Traveller, who weighed about eleven hundred pounds and stood
nearly sixteen hands high.
Other horses owned by Lee....
Richmond
Brown-Roan
Lucy Long
Ajax

What I win?
E-Chick Offline
#115 Posted:
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Spiny Norman,

You know entirely too much info about the General's horses for jdrabinski...what is your philosophy on the reasoning behind this knowledge??? Huh? What? Let's here it! You must be a Klan member!


Tounge in check of course...
usahog Offline
#116 Posted:
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Spiny ^5's you are very good at the surfing and collecting information... did it say what kind of Horse it was??

IMPO when I visited Gettysburg battlefield in 94 and seen Lee on his Horse I told my Bike just then... That would be a good name for you!!! You have always gotten me home know matter where we have roamed or the Dangers we have Indured... just as Gen. Lee's horse did for him...the two of us have ventured and seen things in our own as Travlr and Lee had in there time.... so from then on it Stuck....that was my First Horse... Was Stolen April 96, was Replaced with the very same Shoes in July 96 after my return from a desert deployment... the new shoe had to earn the right to the same name... and in the begining was on a good start... I took 16 days off work and hit the highway... this time headed West to venture through the Indian Battle Grounds.... total round trip was 3,600 mile strech in 12 days... Hard riding of 600 miles in a day on a couple occasions...and still managed to see Yellowstone,Little Big Horn,Buffalo Bill "Cody Wyoming" Wounded Knee,Black Hills "Mount Rushmore,Badlands,Hells Half Acre,Stugis,Big Horn Mountian, Chief Josiph Highway,Devels Tower,Wind River Canyon,Cigars and a couple a Beers at the campgrounds every night Revived me for the next days run....But this new bike still didn't prove itself....To Be Continued...

Hog
Spiny Norman Offline
#117 Posted:
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from Southern Historical Society Papers.
Vol. XVIII. Richmond, Va., January-December. 1890.

The following communication from Major Thomas L. Broun, Charleston, Kanawha county, West Virginia, appeared in the Richmond Dispatch August 10, 1886:

"He was raised by Mr. Johnston, near the Blue Sulphur Springs, in Greenbrier county, Virginia (now West Virginia); was of the ' Gray Eagle' stock."

All other descriptions I was able to locate simply describe him as a "Gray". Or "Gray Gelding" of 16 hands.
Spiny Norman Offline
#118 Posted:
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LOL @ E-Chick.
usahog Offline
#119 Posted:
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Man Spiny you have been doing some Surfing... here is what and where I found this...

http://www.american-saddlebred.com/

The American Saddle Horse gained fame as a breed during the Civil War, 1861-1865. Saddlebreds served as mounts of many famous generals; Lee on Traveller, Grant on Cincinnati, Sherman rode Lexington, and Stonewall Jackson's mount was Little Sorrell. The three aforementioned horses were American type with close Thoroughbred crosses, and the latter was of pacing stock.

The Confederate commands of Generals John Hunt Morgan and Nathan Bedford Forrest were mounted almost exclusively on American Saddlebreds, and these horses performed legendary feats of endurance during the war.

Because most Confederate horses were privately owned, General Grant's order at Lee's surrender which allowed the men to keep their horses perhaps saved the breed.

some other sites that may be of Interest
http://www.scenic-idaho.com/ChiefJosephFoundation

http://www.users.ohiohills.com/%7Emorgans/index.htm

http://members.tripod.com/~NMMH/

Enjoy
Hog
Lowman Offline
#120 Posted:
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HOLY $HIT !! This post is catching up to the "pop quiz" and find the car posts!!

Are you guys NUTS ??? Would you rather look at pic of a flag or a NICE piece of A$$ ??? LOL

No offense E...

Low

J/K.. post away fellas...
Charlie Offline
#121 Posted:
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What flag?

Charlie
Tobasco Offline
#122 Posted:
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Lowman, I was thinking the same thing. I'll see ya at pop quiz! Gotta even things up now. :>)

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