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RDC Offline
#1 Posted: Tue, Feb 4 2003, 5:52 AM EST
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Sorry Rick, had to post it:-)
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xibbumbero Offline
#2 Posted: Tue, Feb 4 2003, 7:24 AM EST
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Are those Rick's hands? X
xrundog Offline
#3 Posted: Tue, Feb 4 2003, 8:51 AM EST
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Whaddaya mean sorry Rick? This pokes fun at Republicans and the alarmist crap they bring into every election. Although at present they don't really need to. Now if it said vote Democrat, I would say it's relevant to the 2004 elections. The Dems are going to be ranting fire and brimstone by then!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#4 Posted: Tue, Feb 4 2003, 9:39 AM EST
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Yeah, I know what ya mean X-Dog!

Those mean old Republicans always throwing the "race card", and the Medi-scare, stealing an election and they only look out for big business, yeah, they really "scare" me.

NOT!

You've got it all turned around Chumley!
xibbumbero Offline
#5 Posted: Tue, Feb 4 2003, 9:54 AM EST
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Ya had going there DMV. I was saying ya,ya he's right on. Then I saw the NOT! LOL. X
DrMaddVibe Offline
#6 Posted: Tue, Feb 4 2003, 9:57 AM EST
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LMAO!

Not YOU too!
jjohnson28 Offline
#7 Posted: Tue, Feb 4 2003, 10:01 AM EST
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"Republicans and the alarmist crap they bring into every election."

Dude,what planet are you living on? As DrMaddVibe stated you boys got it all backwards.
xibbumbero Offline
#8 Posted: Tue, Feb 4 2003, 10:22 AM EST
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Neener neener,we're made out of rubber your're made out of glue,everything you say bounces off us and sticks to you,LOL. X
BMW Offline
#9 Posted: Tue, Feb 4 2003, 10:27 AM EST
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You crack me up X.

Barry
Charlie Offline
#10 Posted: Tue, Feb 4 2003, 11:31 AM EST
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Republicans and alarmist crap!!!!!!!!!!!! LMAFAO!!!!
Just listen to Senator Tommy Daschel and Sen Joey Libermann sometime............alarmist, nah, not at all!!!HO HO HO!

Charlie
xrundog Offline
#11 Posted: Tue, Feb 4 2003, 12:37 PM EST
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You guys did not read my post carefully. I SAID the Republicans don't need to use their usual dirty tricks in the next election. They currently have the upper hand. The DEMS will resort to fingerpointing and name calling! Although Joe Lieberman has had the chance to Bush bash and he took the high road. He bears watching. The pic is probably old. From back when Bob Dole was saying the country was going to ruin under Clinton's admin.
Tobasco Offline
#12 Posted: Tue, Feb 4 2003, 1:26 PM EST
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Dog, lets see you name some of the dirty tricks you speak of.

The democrats are the guys trying to use scare tactics, which anyone paying attention to politics can easily see through.

1. Vote Republican & a black church will burn!
2. Vote Republican & You will lose your social security!
3. Vote republican & the environment will be ruined!
4. Vote republican & the only the rich will benefit!
5. Vote Republican & Minorities will be will be descriminated against.
6. Vote Republican and the economy will go down the tubes!
7. Vote Republican and you will lose medicare!
8. Vote Republican and you may lose your welfare!

I could give many more but I'm at work now, so I can pay my taxes for the losers in #8.

Hahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You Demacrats are a Freakin JOKE!!!!!!!

Mag
xrundog Offline
#13 Posted: Tue, Feb 4 2003, 2:32 PM EST
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Right Mag! In 1996 and 2000 it was the Reps. who said all that stuff about the dems.! It just depends on who has the current majority or who sits in the white house. I am not a Dem. But I still don't like the way the Republican administrations operate. I know you can probably explain how a budget deficit is good for the economy, but I just don't believe that. Bush's budget projects 300billion this year and 300 more next year. And we get a tax cut. I'm thinking math was not his strongest subject. You say "We're at war here!" All the more reason NOT to cut taxes now. It is vote buying plain and simple. I guess it will be left to another administration to balance the budget again. And don't point at the Dems saying how screwed up THEY are and think it excuses all of it.
Tobasco Offline
#14 Posted: Tue, Feb 4 2003, 3:21 PM EST
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Dog, all I have to say is, you have ABSOLUTELY no facts to support your last post. The Idea behind the tax cuts is to stimulate the economy. Reagan did it and it worked.

None of the 8 items I pointed out have been said by republican ads. You must not have a TV in your house.

Mag

PS: watch Fox, Hannity & Colmes, they have shown the ads the Democrats used for the scare tactics I mentioned. I didnt make them up! Colmes, who is a far left winger had no Republican ads to use for his side of the debate. Thats because there werent any.
pshriver Offline
#15 Posted: Tue, Feb 4 2003, 5:24 PM EST
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Mag is right.
It is really quite simple.... consumer spending is 68% of GDP and govt spending is 13% of GDP. So when the economy is cranking (consumer spending is up) the govt doesn't need to accelerate spending so they contract which reduces the debt which makes them(Clinton) look good......but when consumer confidence is down and consumer spending slows the govt has to increase govt spending to keep the economy (GDP) growing. That increases the govt debt which makes the current administration look bad as the debt grows but actually they inherited the problem. Economy shifts don't happen overnight. It's a not rocket science it's simply accounting but politics gets in the way.
Retard
usahog Offline
#16 Posted: Tue, Feb 4 2003, 5:43 PM EST
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Great Input there CR but you'll catch some Repercussions off that Round... Simpletons don't want the True answers and for some reason they think we (Rep. side of the Fence) can't figure that **** out....

LMAO!!!!

Hog
Mr.Mean Offline
#17 Posted: Tue, Feb 4 2003, 6:36 PM EST
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You people can't be that naive to believe that only one party utilizes scare tactics and attack ads. Republicans, Democrats, Independant, all of them do it. It's campaigning.
Some of you need to get out more often
Tobasco Offline
#18 Posted: Tue, Feb 4 2003, 7:00 PM EST
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Mean, I gave some examples of REAL commercials that were run. You need to do the same or you are spewing a bunch of crap! I challenge you to give us one example, just one will work for me! I dont think you can.

Mag
Tobasco Offline
#19 Posted: Tue, Feb 4 2003, 7:05 PM EST
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Like I said, this topic was covered on Fox's "Hannity & Colmes". Colmes has more resources than you Mean & couldnt come up with even one ad to make an argument against Hannity.

You need to get out more before shooting off your mouth!

Mag
xrundog Offline
#20 Posted: Tue, Feb 4 2003, 7:16 PM EST
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Mag, we are not talking real time here. I understand you are. I'm not. It's history. When you have a Dem. Pres. or congress, the Reps vilify them. When the situation is as now, the Dems do the vilifying. The Republicans are currently riding the wave of public support for the war on terrorism. And yes, people find GW more likeable than BC. Me too. And quoting Reagan economic policies is interesting. He's the guy who ran up the biggest budget deficit in history. I know he didn't create it. But he really ran with it. Then, when everyone was sweating that, Clinton's admin balanced the budget and gave us the surplus. Now, I think there is a law which mandates a balanced budget. Why are we running up another massive deficit? Government spending stimulates the economy. Okay, can't the government spend and balance the budget too? At some point, the pendulum will swing the other way and the deficit will have to be payed back. Are reps hoping that there will be a democratic admin or 2 in between they can blame things on?
Mr.Mean Offline
#21 Posted: Tue, Feb 4 2003, 7:20 PM EST
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http://www.termlimits.org/Press/Press_Releases/20000524.html

http://www.clw.org/election/attackadtext.html

http://orion.csuchico.edu/Pages/Volume33Issue10/Opinion/WWiwcfCali.html

http://wvhc.drw.net/VoiceMay01/Misc.May01Voice.htm

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/10/27/michigan.governor/


http://www.rhythmandgroove.net/features/feature_twim%20_02-10-20.htm (references the drug=support terrorism)



Mr.Mean Offline
#22 Posted: Tue, Feb 4 2003, 7:20 PM EST
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Do a search cheeky monkey.
xrundog Offline
#23 Posted: Tue, Feb 4 2003, 7:38 PM EST
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Retard, had to give your post some thought. I get the gyst of your point. But is it wise, if you expect a recession, to give a surplus back to the taxpayers? And if you expect to submit budgets with deficits, to give taxcuts? Is it wise? Or is it politics?
Tobasco Offline
#24 Posted: Tue, Feb 4 2003, 7:44 PM EST
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The reason Clinton was succesful was part luck. He closed half of the military bases, raised taxes and had the luck of the computer revolution during his terms in office.

Any president that was in office during the rise of the computer would have benefited from it. Computers made just about every industry more efficiant than ever.

The people, not the government made the economy thrive! Without creative people and new inventions and Ideas the economy wouldnt have been as good as it was.

Bush's tax cuts will allow funds to be used for more research an development. This will bring new ideas and products to stimulate the economy. That will create more jobs and should help reduce the deficit with more people paying taxes.

Individual tax breaks will allow folks to be able to afford some of the new products that will come out. This will also help the deficit with sales taxes spent on these products.

Mag

xibbumbero Offline
#25 Posted: Tue, Feb 4 2003, 7:58 PM EST
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Mag, Hmmmm...let me think about what you said about Reagan. "Reagan stimulated the economy and it worked".
Pre-Reagan the nation debt was approx. 750 billion,after Reagan left office it was 2 TRILLION. Ya,I guess he did stimulate the economy. Voodoo economics does work indeed,LOL. X
Tobasco Offline
#26 Posted: Tue, Feb 4 2003, 9:08 PM EST
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Mean, Good try!

Your links are all left wing sources.

1. The first link speaks of smears by Nethercutt, from washingtons 5th district, but doesnt even give just one example of what they were. Strike one!

2. Second link is The council for a Livable world, this is a left wing organization which puts a spin on every article they have. They arent a nuetral news source, they are in support of all democrats! They dont speak favorably of even one Republican. Strike two!

3. This isnt an ad. this is an article by Mark Sikard, a humanities student and democrat giving his own opinions. Stike three.

4. This isnt even an ad. Its a news story by a left wing newspaper. This article never called the President by his name(Bush). They kept calling him several times the shrub! Does this sound like a nuetral source! no! It was about a black lung case. Strike 4!

5. This is a CNN(communist news network) article. Its about Geoffrey Fieger. He was upset about statements that Incumbent John Engler stated. He claims that Engler brought up court cases that he was a part of in the past. Fieger is a defence attorney, he said that it was mean spirited to bring up cases he was a part of.
This attorney will defend ANYBODY no matter how bad the client is. He deserves critisism. There were no lies, but Fieger said the statements were taken out of context, and from old cases. If any of you have seen him on CNN you would recognize him. He is a bad guy and the voters saw this, he lost the election and is pissed. Strike 5!

Mean, you will have to do much better than this! I dont think you can! You arent dealing with a dumb****, I will check your leftist sources and uncover your lies so everyone can see them. Try some nuetral sources, for a change!

Mag
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#27 Posted: Wed, Feb 5 2003, 1:18 AM EST
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Magnafide

"You arent dealing with a dumb****"


The lad doth protest too much, methinks
pshriver Offline
#28 Posted: Wed, Feb 5 2003, 3:03 AM EST
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xrundog,
it is wise to give tax cuts to taxpayers to hold up consumer spending but it had two down falls.
A. 10% of the people pay 90% of the taxes and we all got $300. The average tax payer who got the money applied it to debt rather than giving it to a retailer where it turns over 8 times.
B. Believe it or not if they would have given it back proportionately to what was paid in... in the end the rich were probably more likely to reinvest it in the econeomy through the businesses they own and the goods they buy. You see the rich aren't broke so excess income generally will be spent either personally or through business upgrades (which have been on hold for two years. Not so with the poor.
Hindsight is 20/20
Just my thoughts,
Retard
xrundog Offline
#29 Posted: Wed, Feb 5 2003, 4:17 AM EST
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I understand. I guess time will tell. One of the interesting things about our system of Gov. is that with high turnover in the upper echelons, they can take credit for things initiated by others. Or blame somebody else for things that are their fault. I guess I have an unrealistic expectation of Gov. to budget like I do. I ALWAYS have money put aside for unexpected expenditure. And I pay my bills before they are due.I know. The theory is completely different. Deficit spending when nobody can really predict what the economy will do, seems risky.
Mag, what about the ads that ran aginst Dukakis regarding Willie Horton. Reps made it sound as if Dukakis had personally put him on the street and handed him a knife. Pretty nasty! The implication was that Dukakis would flood the nation with violent felons.
pshriver Offline
#30 Posted: Wed, Feb 5 2003, 4:38 AM EST
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xrundog,
One quick note. The $300 would have been poured back in to the economy if the average citizen wasn't overburdened with credit card debt. That is a subject that hasn't been addressed yet that prior history can't tell us how to manage as a nation. It may be an economy breaker in time.
Retard
Mr.Mean Offline
#31 Posted: Wed, Feb 5 2003, 8:09 AM EST
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Slam campaign, scare ads, and discrediting the opponent are campaign techniques. Effictive ones at that. To say Republicans don't use this technique would make them martyrs for their cause. And it makes you naive.
I live in the Chicago area, this past election was nothing but slam campaign on both sides.
An interesting observation is that you discredit opinions so flipantly. Anything stated by someone who is not right next to you on your skewed political views has no say or is always incorrect. You have an opinion, I have an opinion, we all do. It's our right to voice that opinion. It is also your right not to listen to others opinions. It makes you narrow minded, but it's your right.

http://www.david-sadler.org/ after loss scare tactics.

http://www.joebirkett.com/ These two never spoke on issue, just discredited each other the entire time. No issues addressed

http://www.henryhyde.org/ Scare tactics, subtle but still plays on the fears
tailgater Offline
#32 Posted: Thu, Feb 6 2003, 6:30 PM EST
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Forget about ads intended for mature audiences. In the last elections here in Massachusetts, I know of MORE THAN one school district where the teachers spoke about the candidates for governor. And they warned that unless Shannon OBrien (D) won the state would lose all funding for their school activities.
And that was told to 2nd and 3rd graders!!
My point?
That although BOTH parties indulge in scare tactics when campaigning, only the left wing freaks who vote democratic carry that tactic into situations where they don't belong.
rookie139 Offline
#33 Posted: Thu, Feb 6 2003, 8:52 PM EST
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Do ya feel the love in this room?..."dumb****, retard, etc"...LMAO!
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#34 Posted: Fri, Feb 7 2003, 1:26 AM EST
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tailgater


"That although BOTH parties indulge in scare tactics when campaigning, only the left wing freaks who vote democratic carry that tactic into situations where they don't belong."


i'm not going to give you any facts or specifics, you're either not aware of them or you won't believe the truth.

that is your business and you have the inalianable
(love that word) right to believe whatever you do.

unfortunately, you are flat out completely wrong.
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