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HaJi's & a ....B.A.R.G.E. in baltimore...
Mr. Jones Offline
#1 Posted:
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Bring down a major bridge !

Barge loaded with shipping containers 6-10+? High...

Brings East coast traffic TOO ITS KNEES...

For a second time!!!!

I doubt this will be a 14 day fix...


RAMMIE? : "awe, it was an Irishman on 10 day hangover from St. PATTIES DAY"..." ram27bat ram27bat ram27bat
drglnc Offline
#2 Posted:
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Mr. Jones wrote:
Bring down a major bridge !

Barge loaded with shipping containers 6-10+? High...

Brings East coast traffic TOO ITS KNEES...

For a second time!!!!

I doubt this will be a 14 day fix...


RAMMIE? : "awe, it was an Irishman on 10 day hangover from St. PATTIES DAY"..." ram27bat ram27bat ram27bat



they are saying it will take several years to repair/replace. Traffic will suck but... having lived and worked in and around Baltimore for 3/4 of my life i can say that it is far from bringing "East coast traffic to0 its knees" with the Harbor tunnel and various ways around the city without the need for either the bridge OR tunnel it will be fine. If you were traveling 95 through Baltimore then you were never taking the bridge anyway.

the people most affected are those that live east of the city in Dundalk, Edgemere and Sparrows Point.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#3 Posted:
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I thought they were talking about the bridge replacement and the port only when they were talking about years.

I dunno...could be wrong.
RayR Offline
#4 Posted:
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Tragic. At least it happened in the middle of the night.

I was shaking my head at some of the STUPID questions that those college edumacated journalists were asking the city officials at the press conference. Like: "How much will it cost to replace the bridge?"

MACS Offline
#5 Posted:
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Unchecked mass invasion... guess who is coming in??

Yep... terrorists.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#6 Posted:
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My mind goes there too (Military Intellignece programming is tough to quit!) as well, but it's looking like this wasn't terrorist related OR they're doing a great job burying that angle.
Mr. Jones Offline
#7 Posted:
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I can't believe they are showing the complete video on T.V.???

Usually , when people actually die...which they did...it is censored...

This shows everything, cars dropping, semi trailer trucks falling ,
but no audio at all...
I can only imagine how those poor ROAD WORKERS FIXING THE BRIDGE OVERNIGHT FELT...IT had to be a rough ending...I would been swearing the entire way down...

Prayers sent to the victims ...
RayR Offline
#8 Posted:
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Demented Joe misremembered something again.

Biden claims he took the train over collapsed Key Bridge, but it had no rail line

The White House later clarified Biden's remarks, claiming he only meant to reference prior drives by car over the bridge.

Quote:
President Joe Biden on Tuesday claimed that he previously crossed over the now-collapsed Francis Scott Key Bridge near Baltimore by train while commuting from Delaware, but the bridge did not have a rail line.

A container ship struck a main column of the bridge around 1:30 a.m., resulting the bridge's swift collapse. While discussing the incident in a press conference, Biden said he'd "been over many many times commuting from the state of Delaware either by train or by car."

More...

https://justthenews.com/government/white-house/biden-claims-he-took-train-over-collapsed-key-bridge-it-had-no-rail-line
Gene363 Offline
#9 Posted:
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Bridge update:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoPRz7wk3WY

ZRX1200 Offline
#10 Posted:
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Ship clearly lost power twice before London Bridge came rolling down, rolling down….

I seriously doubt that’s haji work, they like beheadings, bombs and animal husbandry.

I think it’s rather convenient timing for Sean Combs. And that’s got me rethinking the Bad Boys 2 song “Shake ya Tail feather” and Will Smith in that movie….and Martin Lawrence getting shot in his butt by Will Smith…and the scene in the TV store.
rfenst Offline
#11 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Ship clearly lost power twice before London Bridge came rolling down, rolling down….

I seriously doubt that’s haji work, they like beheadings, bombs....

I think it’s rather convenient timing for Sean Combs....

I agree with the above. Diddy is indeed benefitting from the tragedy- right now. But, it's too big of a story to not capitalize on.
Mr. Jones Offline
#12 Posted:
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Sean combs is a GANGSTA AND a human trafficker...aLLedGeDly, according to the ATF AND FBI...I LOVE HIS RIGHT HAND MAN...SOME SKINNY WHITE DUDE with a rap sheet a mile long is his daily DRUG MULE aLLedGeDly too...Sean puffy combs was a mentor to several young singers and got them laid by skanks twice their age...Justin Bieber, that black guy who looks like webster??
Mr. Jones Offline
#13 Posted:
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Sean Diddy got USHER LAID when he was barely 18?
aLLedGeDly
Gene363 Offline
#14 Posted:
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Another update Q&A on the Dali accident.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-t5EZov7b0

They discuss how it may have been bad fuel that disabled the engine. Apparently the bunker oil used to run ocean going ships can be contaminated with plastic material. Clean air restrictions dictate low sulfur fuel, ironically the sulfur would tend to dissolve the plastics, hence engine troubles caused by "cleaner" fuel.
ZRX1200 Offline
#15 Posted:
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I drove by a gas station today and a “Blue Solar” van was gassing up at a gas station.

I don’t know why but that stuff just cracks me up.
rfenst Offline
#16 Posted:
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Day after bridge collapse, Republicans are blaming Democrats, floating unfounded and sometimes racist theories

WSJ[


Following Tuesday’s deadly collapse of the Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore, some Republican officials, candidates and right-wing pundits attempted to connect the tragedy to some of their most frequent political targets: diversity initiatives, illegal immigration, coronavirus lockdowns and the Biden administration. And early reaction to the incident also provided fresh ground for unfounded theories that the collapse was not an accident at all.

The collapse along a key East Coast corridor early Tuesday sent at least eight people into the Patapsco River. The remains of two people have been recovered, and four others have been presumed dead. They were immigrant construction workers making bridge repairs at the time of the collapse.

Since the incident, several sitting Republican officials have sought to tie the Biden administration to the collapse of the nearly 50-year-old bridge.

Rep. Nancy Mace (R-S.C.) told Newsmax on Tuesday that the government is focusing on spending federal funds on “waste,” “when it could be going to things that are the government’s purpose, just like this.”

“We’re not spending it on roads and bridges. Look at the $1.2 trillion infrastructure bill that was done a couple of years ago that the left hails as this massive success. But it was mostly Green New Deal, actually, in that bill,” Mace said, referencing the 2021 bipartisan infrastructure bill signed into law by President Biden.


Republicans previously criticized Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg as not visiting East Palestine, Ohio, quickly enough after a toxic train derailment there last year. But after the secretary visited Baltimore on the day of the bridge collapse, Rep. Jeff Van Drew (R-N.J.) suggested without evidence that the visit was politically motivated and that Buttigieg was preoccupied with diversity policies.

“Well, this is an election year, so he probably, if it was two years ago might have been a month before he went at all,” Van Drew told Fox Business Network’s Maria Bartiromo on Wednesday. “He’s worried too much about pronouns, worried too much about DEI policies, worried too much about being the cool kid on the block. … I’m disappointed in the job that he does.”

Along with Van Drew, conservative political candidates and right-wing media personalities have turned to blaming diversity, equity and inclusion policies — a loosely defined term broadly used to refer to efforts to diversify the workforce and academia — for the collapse. It’s the latest in a series of issues that the right has blamed on DEI.

Utah state Rep. Phil Lyman (R) blamed DEI policies for the bridge collapse. The Utah gubernatorial candidate running against Gov. Spencer Cox (R) shared a post online attacking Port of Baltimore Commissioner Karenthia Barber, a Black woman whose biography says she owns a consulting practice that takes on work related to DEI. Responding to the post about Barber’s background, Lyman wrote on X on Tuesday morning that “this is what happens when you have Governors who prioritize diversity over the wellbeing and security of citizens.” In a subsequent post referencing the collision, he said: “DEI = DIE.”

Lyman told the Salt Lake Tribune later Tuesday that he had not authorized the comments before they were posted by his team, saying the post about Barber “was not our best moment” and that it “was a knee-jerk reaction to some of the things others were putting out there.”

Anthony Sabatini, a Florida congressional candidate, also blamed DEI for the bridge collapse in a post on X the morning of the collapse.



And, here I thought tragic accidents simply happen unrelated to politics...
DrMaddVibe Offline
#17 Posted:
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It doesn't matter what they say or do...NOTHING is going to prevent an accident like that. It happened. No amount of maintenance or care would save it.

Gene363 Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
It doesn't matter what they say or do...NOTHING is going to prevent an accident like that. It happened. No amount of maintenance or care would save it.



True, like many other highly engineered bridges, the failure of one part, will cause the entire structure to collapse. What they could have done was build an artificial island around the bridge supports, that might have saved the bridge, but a few thousand tons of moving shipping has many thousand tons of energy.
RayR Offline
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I blame Transportation Secretary Pete Butthead, while he was crusading against racist roads and wasting zillions of dollars doing so, he ignored critical infrastructure like the Key Bridge.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#20 Posted:
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RayR wrote:
I blame Transportation Secretary Pete Butthead, while he was crusading against racist roads and wasting zillions of dollars doing so, he ignored critical infrastructure like the Key Bridge.



Show some compassion! He was chestfeeding his twins! He obviously has his hands full.
rfenst Offline
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Here come the lawyers...

Lawyers Gear Up for Swift Start in Legal Fight Over Baltimore Bridge
Battle could take a decade but insurance payouts will come much faster


WAPO

The first shot in the legal fight over who will pay for the damage and loss from the collapse of the Francis Scott Key Bridge will likely occur in the next few days in a Baltimore courtroom, insurance academics said.

The Singaporean owner of the cargo ship that took down the bridge is expected to invoke a law dating back to the 19th century that limits the liability of ships’ owners, according to Lawrence Brennan, a law professor at Fordham University in New York. The law is similar to one used by the Titanic’s owners after that “unsinkable” liner hit an iceberg.

This Limitation of Liability Act law caps the liability of the cargo ship’s owners—and their several insurers—at the value of the goods the ship was carrying and the value of the ship itself.


A representative of the ship’s owner, Grace Ocean, didn’t respond to a request for comment.

The fight, maritime lawyers say, could run as long as a decade. “It will be one of the most content]ous marine insurance cases in recent decades,” said Brennan, the law professor and a retired captain in the U.S. Navy.

While the lawyers fight, most claims will likely get paid by the insurers, including money for the bridge’s reconstruction. Then they will duke it out among themselves. Other claims might take longer, including those by the families of the people killed in the crash.

Other big sources of claims include the loss of revenue for the port, for the vessels now stuck inside it, and for businesses affected by the resulting supply-chain snarl-ups.

The bridge part of this web of claims may be the simplest to resolve. The structure cost some $60 million to build in 1977, which is around $300 million today when adjusted for inflation.

The bridge is covered by the state of Maryland’s insurance. The policy, covering property damage and business interruption for bridges and tunnels, pays up to $350 million, documents show.

The state, with its insurers in support, will likely be among many claimants that sue the Singaporean owner of the giant cargo ship that struck the bridge, seeking to recover their losses.

That ship, the Dali, has coverage through a specialized property and indemnity insurer, the Britannia P&I club. It said it is “working closely with the ship manager and relevant authorities to establish the facts and to help ensure that this situation is dealt with quickly and professionally.”

Britannia is one of a dozen protection and indemnity, or P&I, clubs, which between them insure around 90% of the world’s oceangoing tonnage. Each club, owned by shipowners, operates independently. But the clubs pool resources to buy reinsurance, allowing them to pass on much of the risk they underwrite. That reinsurance covers up to $3.1 billion per ship, according to ratings firm AM Best.

This generous reinsurance safety net is led by French insurer Axa, according to people familiar with the matter, but involves in total around 80 insurers from across the globe. That means, despite a likely eye-popping overall claim, the payout is “unlikely to be significant for individual reinsurers since it will be spread across so many,” said Brandan Holmes, an official at ratings firm Moody’s.

Not all claims springing from the incident will be covered by the ship’s insurance agreements.

The bridge collapse is a significant blow for a marine insurance market already hit by the costs of the recent Red Sea attacks. Increased rates and new restrictions on coverage are expected to follow.

“This probably will be one of the biggest marine losses in history,” John Neal, chief executive of the Lloyd’s of London insurance marketplace, said Thursday. “It clearly will have an impact on cover and premium.”

The insured losses could total between $2 billion and $4 billion, surpassing the Costa Concordia catastrophe, ratings firm Morningstar DBRS said.


The bridge collapse will likely affect the operations of scores of importers, exporters and other companies that use the port. Many will likely find the event isn’t covered by their business-interruption insurance, according to Robert Merkin, a law professor at the University of Reading.

“Only some policies will cover this—it depends on the wording,” Merkin said. Business-interruption insurance is designed primarily to cover damage to the company’s own premises, although some policies have extensions that might cover external events, such as the bridge collapse, he added.



Hopefully, but not likely, this will all be resolved quickly like the condo collapse case in Miami. But, that will take a very experienced, no b.s. judge who ramps things up in the beginning.
Gene363 Offline
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Responsibility for the crash and the cleanup is going to be a long term cluster.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alpaDfnT-Bk

rfenst Offline
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Gene363 wrote:
Responsibility for the crash and the cleanup is going to be a long term cluster.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alpaDfnT-Bk


Not really.

The ship and its engine were in the exclusive custody and control. Engines don't fail when properly maintained. Boats aren't supposed to crash into anything. It could have had some type of emergency propulsion or other system to prevent this when the engine stopped working.

This is known as Negligence Per Se. One only has to prove damages related to the crash in such a case.
RayR Offline
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I thought I heard Crooked Joe say that he was going to pay the entire cost of fixing the bridge, out of his crime family funds I assume. Confused
Gene363 Offline
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rfenst wrote:
Not really.

The ship and its engine were in the exclusive custody and control. Engines don't fail when properly maintained. Boats aren't supposed to crash into anything. It could have had some type of emergency propulsion or other system to prevent this when the engine stopped working.

This is known as Negligence Per Se. One only has to prove damages related to the crash in such a case.


I am afraid properly maintained engines can and do fail. They can also fail because they are run on fuel mandated by clean air standards that make them more vulnerable to failure. This is not the first such engine failure, unfortunately it's an example that occurred in a ship channel and not on the high seas. I do admire your optimism.

As long as consumers insist on cheap quality imported good, we will have cut rate shipping.

I don't disagree with your point about blame, but getting to the actual responsible parties is going to be a long process.

I posted a picture of an explanation from:

Michae E. Buckley III
Chief Engineer
Maersk Line Ltd. *

It's on the escape pod site here:

https://cigarbid.freeforums.net/thread/35/ship-captains-opnion

* yes, I do know they are involved.
Gene363 Offline
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What we learned from the collapse in 1980 of the Tampa Sunshine Skyline Bridge?

The older bridge is to the right and the new to the left. Notice that the channel pillars are on artificial islands and the concrete dolphins that protect the smaller foundations.


More like what we didn't learn from the Sunshine bridge collapse.

https://x.com/mercoglianos/status/1773395222430650382?s=20

HockeyDad Offline
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Indictments are being prepared to charge Donald Trump with destroying the bridge.
Gene363 Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
Indictments are being prepared to charge Donald Trump with destroying the bridge.


That basturd! LOL
Stogie1020 Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
Indictments are being prepared to charge Donald Trump with destroying the bridge.

"... in collusion with Russia."


Don't forget to include Russia, it makes it much scarier.
Mr. Jones Offline
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MTG from Georgia is frothing at the mouth too...Marjorie taylor greene...

That beotch is a certifiable nut job with CRO-MAGNON D.N.A....
aLLedGeDly...

HER NEW LOOK will be Flintstone attire and a wooden club...
RayR Offline
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Yes, it didn't take long for the LEFTIES to come for Francis Scott Key. They'll probably want to rename that racist bridge the George Floyd Bridge.

Washington Post hits 'controversial poet' Francis Scott Key after namesake Baltimore bridge collapses

The paper says Key is now 'at the center of renewed public attention,' revisits his 'racist views'

By Joseph A. Wulfsohn Fox News
Published March 27, 2024 8:00pm EDT

Quote:
It didn't take long for The Washington Post to revisit the history of "controversial poet" Francis Scott Key, whose namesake bridge suffered a devastating collapse in Baltimore.

All eyes were on Charm City early Tuesday morning after a cargo ship crashed into a support beam of the Francis Scott Key Bridge. Six construction workers who were on the bridge at the time are presumed dead and two were rescued from the Patapsco River. An investigation is underway.

But roughly 24 hours later, The Post insisted Key himself was "at the center of renewed public attention" because the bridge named after him collapsed.

"The incident has shaken Baltimore and brought Key once again to the fore," The Post wrote Wednesday.

The Post offered a biographical history lesson of Key, a lawyer famous for writing what's now known as "The Star-Spangled Banner."

But as the paper noted in its previous report about Key published in 2020 following the George Floyd riots, there was an "ugly reason" why the iconic poem wasn't chosen as the national anthem for more than 100 years.

"'The Star-Spangled Banner' did not become the national anthem until more than a century after it was written because of controversy, partly over Key’s racist views," The Post wrote. "One section of the poem’s third verse, in particular, has come under scrutiny from those who say it was intended to mock or threaten African Americans who escaped slavery to join the British forces, after being promised land in exchange for their service."

The article then printed what Key had written in the third verse, which read, "No refuge could save the hireling and slave, From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave, And The Star-Spangled Banner in triumph doth wave, O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave."

The National Park Service, which The Post quotes later, says of the lyric, "It is not clear what Key intended this line to mean, and he could have been referring to the foreign troops serving with the British, or perhaps the escaped enslaved men that comprised the British Colonial Marines."

More...

https://www.foxnews.com/media/washington-post-hits-controversial-poet-francis-scott-key-namesake-baltimore-bridge-collapses
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