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2024 Election Predictions
Abrignac Offline
#1 Posted:
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Biden wins.

Dems widen majority in Senate.

Dems win majority in House.
DrafterX Offline
#2 Posted:
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Are we going to have a month long voting day again..?? Huh
MACS Offline
#3 Posted:
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Abrignac wrote:
Biden wins.

Dems widen majority in Senate.

Dems win majority in House.


Civil war happens...
KingoftheCove Offline
#4 Posted:
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If Biden comes off as in total control of his mental faculties tonight?
He refuses to debate Trump, and may well win.

If he babbles and completely fuqs up this SOTU?
He opens the door for Trump.

A LOT riding on this SOTU.
HockeyDad Offline
#5 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
Civil war happens...


I’m not seeing a civil war. I’m betting everyone just going gently into that good night.

Senate filibuster eliminated.
Supreme Court expanded by four members.
Large tax increases on “the rich” and corporations.
Amnesty for 30 million illegals.

Democracy saved.

DrafterX Offline
#6 Posted:
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Do you have any pitchforks and torches left..?? Huh
8trackdisco Offline
#7 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
I’m not seeing a civil war. I’m betting everyone just going gently into that good night.

Senate filibuster eliminated.
Supreme Court expanded by four members.
Large tax increases on “the rich” and corporations.
Amnesty for 30 million illegals.

Democracy saved.



The rich are getting a hell of a deal now compared to the mid 20th century.

From Following World War II tax increases, top marginal individual tax rates stayed near or above 90%, and the effective tax rate at 70% for the highest incomes (few paid the top rate), until 1964 when the top marginal tax rate was lowered to 70%. Kennedy explicitly called for a top rate of 65 percent, but added that it should be set at 70 percent if certain deductions were not phased out at the top of the income scale.[29][30][31] The top marginal tax rate was lowered to 50% in 1982 and eventually to 28% in 1988. It slowly increased to 39.6% in 2000, then was reduced to 35% for the period 2003 through 2012.[28] Corporate tax rates were lowered from 48% to 46% in 1981 (PL 97-34), then to 34% in 1986 (PL 99-514), and increased to 35% in 1993, subsequently lowered to 21% in 2018.
RobertHively Offline
#8 Posted:
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It is what it is

I'm hoping for a good growing season. Our goal is to grow enough vegetables to last us an entire year and still be able to give some away to people that live around here.

We came close last yr. We're still eating canned pickles, green beans, tomato sauce and assorted peppers from last years garden. Got to grow more corn and potatoes this year.

Turn your pitchforks into plowshares and work on producing some of your own food.
8trackdisco Offline
#9 Posted:
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Will have to wait for the inevitable October Surprise.
DrafterX Offline
#10 Posted:
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Look at da brain on 8... =d>
Good info....
deadeyedick Offline
#11 Posted:
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Depends on two or three main voting blocks.

Abortion- Biden by a landslide
Immigration - Trump
Inflation - Trump
DrMaddVibe Offline
#12 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,440
deadeyedick wrote:
Depends on two or three main voting blocks.

Abortion- Biden by a landslide
Immigration - Trump
Inflation - Trump



Abortion is just a lightning rod for ignorance. The entire thing should never have been made to be funded by taxpayers. EVER. It's now where it resides, back to a State's right. The SCOTUS corrected a botched ruling decades later with a death toll that rivals wars. I don't see this issue has a campaign slogan. It's simply used to be divisive.

Immigration, Inflation and the Economy...those are where the race gets buttoned down. These effect EVERYONE. You can't escape it.

I'd add the MIC and their global "Gotta have a war" party and funding the insanity that is Ukraine. It's a slush fund. Can't see it? Look harder. Been that way for decades and it was the Mavricky John McCain that pointed out to me that the neo-Nazi movement was alive and well there. If their own neighbors don't contribute...why should the American taxpayer? They're not even in NATO either!

I don't see anything the Democrats can run on that make them viable. Oh, there's plenty that will gaslight you, but seriously look at the issues, the facts and the history of what they're doing and it's just flat out wrong.
RayR Online
#13 Posted:
Joined: 07-20-2020
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RobertHively wrote:
It is what it is

I'm hoping for a good growing season. Our goal is to grow enough vegetables to last us an entire year and still be able to give some away to people that live around here.

We came close last yr. We're still eating canned pickles, green beans, tomato sauce and assorted peppers from last years garden. Got to grow more corn and potatoes this year.

Turn your pitchforks into plowshares and work on producing some of your own food.


I'm with you. I've got indoor seed starting going indoors with more to come this month and in April. More seed orders rolling in.
When the chit hits the fan, let the proles eat cake and government cheese.
8trackdisco Offline
#14 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Abortion is just a lightning rod for ignorance. The entire thing should never have been made to be funded by taxpayers. EVER. It's now where it resides, back to a State's right. The SCOTUS corrected a botched ruling decades later with a death toll that rivals wars. I don't see this issue has a campaign slogan. It's simply used to be divisive.

Immigration, Inflation and the Economy...those are where the race gets buttoned down. These effect EVERYONE. You can't escape it.

I'd add the MIC and their global "Gotta have a war" party and funding the insanity that is Ukraine. It's a slush fund. Can't see it? Look harder. Been that way for decades and it was the Mavricky John McCain that pointed out to me that the neo-Nazi movement was alive and well there. If their own neighbors don't contribute...why should the American taxpayer? They're not even in NATO either!

I don't see anything the Democrats can run on that make them viable. Oh, there's plenty that will gaslight you, but seriously look at the issues, the facts and the history of what they're doing and it's just flat out wrong.


Paid abortions is a money saver. Due to a lack of price transparency in healthcare, I don’t know the financial cost of an abortion. To pick a number out of the sky, I’ll say $10,000. That is a lot cheaper than a full term pregnancy and the first six months the baby is alive if it is being paid for by the taxpayers.

What I wonder about is …. Exactly how many abortions do women have? Is it their primary form on contraception?
Mr. Jones Offline
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#8 R.H.
Are u interspersing in-be-twixt low level heigth , cleverly concealed and overly cute back/pruned massive stumpy bud encrusted stalks of
Green hemp Thai & Afghani cross breeds to increase your monetary
Yields too?
drglnc Offline
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8trackdisco wrote:
Paid abortions is a money saver. Due to a lack of price transparency in healthcare, I don’t know the financial cost of an abortion. To pick a number out of the sky, I’ll say $10,000. That is a lot cheaper than a full term pregnancy and the first six months the baby is alive if it is being paid for by the taxpayers.

What I wonder about is …. Exactly how many abortions do women have? Is it their primary form on contraception?



Ahhh, you missed the key piece of info.... Wire Coat hangers are free with your dry cleaning and back alleys have no electricity bill... Republicans want to save us Billions!!!!

DrMaddVibe Offline
#17 Posted:
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8trackdisco wrote:
Paid abortions is a money saver. Due to a lack of price transparency in healthcare, I don’t know the financial cost of an abortion. To pick a number out of the sky, I’ll say $10,000. That is a lot cheaper than a full term pregnancy and the first six months the baby is alive if it is being paid for by the taxpayers.

What I wonder about is …. Exactly how many abortions do women have? Is it their primary form on contraception?


Not looking at it as a cost savings. Never did either. I don't choose whom people decide to sleep with. They get to do that. That's all on them. The repercussions of their own actions should NEVER be put into the pockets of a taxpayer. Can't afford to have babies? Look into sterilization. There's your cost savings! I'm radical enough to say if you've had more than 2 abortions perhaps you should be sterilized. All you want to do is **** and have someone else pickup your genetic mess? Get in that line over there. You genealogy branch ends there.

With so many contraceptives on the market today it's silly to even make the claim that an abortion is a viable alternative and taxpayers have to pay for it.

Sorry, but my stand by is this:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

It doesn't state that our Creator wants us shackled by our government tied to Death, Slavery and the pursuit of Misery! Then again, this nation was predicated on a Judeo/Christian mindset. A value system that we as a nation enjoyed as a basic platform to approach each other. Now, its become a gobbledygook of whatever twirls one's beeny and YOU have to be tolerant of their poor behavior no matter how low and deviant it is to you the individual. If we're going to lower everything to that common denominator then our entire government is in need of an overhaul and we need to scuttle the hull and let our "Grand Experiment" sink to the lower depths of History. Had a good run, sorry folks the "park"s closed!

I would much rather fight to defend what we have than fight to have my voice heard at the table when they're carving it all apart.
8trackdisco Offline
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Sterilization? Smells too Eugenicky for me, but I get what you are aiming at.
Stogie1020 Offline
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8trackdisco wrote:
Sterilization? Smells too Eugenicky for me, but I get what you are aiming at.

OTC birth control pills are $20/mo, $240/yr. Make it mandatory for repeat offenders. You know, like the Covid-19 vaccine was mandatory or you couldn't work, eat or play.
JGKAMIN Offline
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8trackdisco wrote:
Paid abortions is a money saver. Due to a lack of price transparency in healthcare, I don’t know the financial cost of an abortion. To pick a number out of the sky, I’ll say $10,000. That is a lot cheaper than a full term pregnancy and the first six months the baby is alive if it is being paid for by the taxpayers.

What I wonder about is …. Exactly how many abortions do women have? Is it their primary form on contraception?

I would’ve guessed it would be 10x that amount as a family member had a recent trip to the ER for the flu and it ran $10,000. I thought for sure an actual procedure such as that would be much much higher, then I did a search and it doesn’t cost much at all. Makes little sense how healthcare costs are determined.

Quote:
Updated on Sept. 22, 2023 with the most recent information and statistics.

An abortion generally costs less than $800, according to Planned Parenthood, and that has not changed a great deal in recent years. However, access to abortions was radically trimmed after the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade in June 2022, which ended federal protections for the procedure and opened the door to state-level restrictions on abortions.
You can use Planned Parenthood’s state-by-state guide on abortion access to determine what health care is accessible in your area.
Residents of at least 25 states now have no or severely limited legal access to abortion services, as of August 2022. Those who choose to travel to another state for the medical procedure will have to take on additional costs, while medication abortion (which now accounts for more than half of all abortions) is likely to continue to grow as an option.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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8trackdisco wrote:
Sterilization? Smells too Eugenicky for me, but I get what you are aiming at.


We're talking about abortion right? Just making it more convenient for the repeat customers!
ZRX1200 Offline
#22 Posted:
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Cheeto Jesus wins

Republicants pick up 2 senate seats

Republicants stay put in congress

Cheeto Jesus makes every democrat voter buy a gun and approved shoes so they can go fight in Gaza or Ukraine. Fines are issued to everyone who voted for Sleepy Joe in 2020 as reparations for the approved voters. 10 SCOTUS seats added so there’s a supermajority for decades. NFA is repealed and Republican voters are given a tax credit for either a machine gun or a functioning tank.

ZRX1200 Offline
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Also I’d like to see Lincoln covered with Cheeto Jesus on Mount Rushmore.
Brewha Offline
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Is it too early to start calling Trump "E. Jean Carroll's bitch"?

Asking for a friend.
Brewha Offline
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I have a bad feeling that RKF might draw enough votes to give Cinnamon Hitler a shot at it.
MACS Offline
#26 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
I have a bad feeling that RKF might draw enough votes to give Cinnamon Hitler a shot at it.


We can only hope...
RobertHively Offline
#27 Posted:
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RayR wrote:
I'm with you. I've got indoor seed starting going indoors with more to come this month and in April. More seed orders rolling in.
When the chit hits the fan, let the proles eat cake and government cheese.


Yeah we're going to start ours on March 16th. Wife got this "mini greenhouse" thing from Amazon, so this yr were going to start around 125 plants indoors--more than double what we did last yr.

Till and fertilize soil at the end of March and then till again when we plant mid May.

When do you plant up there in the north woods?



RobertHively Offline
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Mr. Jones wrote:
#8 R.H.
Are u interspersing in-be-twixt low level heigth , cleverly concealed and overly cute back/pruned massive stumpy bud encrusted stalks of
Green hemp Thai & Afghani cross breeds to increase your monetary
Yields too?


Not this year Jonesy. But maybe I would consider it if the shtf, and there's no risk of getting locked in a steel cage for growing a plant.

I have a good place for it. There's a nice flat up on the side of the mountain. It's around an acre give or take. Canopy is open enough to allow sunshine in...water would be a problem though.

I dont know what you guys call a flat on the side of a mountain/hill up in central Pennsylvania, but we call it a "bench"
RobertHively Offline
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Stogie1020 wrote:
OTC birth control pills are $20/mo, $240/yr. Make it mandatory for repeat offenders. You know, like the Covid-19 vaccine was mandatory or you couldn't work, eat or play.


Two weeks to flatten the embryo?
RobertHively Offline
#30 Posted:
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JGKAMIN wrote:
I would’ve guessed it would be 10x that amount as a family member had a recent trip to the ER for the flu and it ran $10,000. I thought for sure an actual procedure such as that would be much much higher, then I did a search and it doesn’t cost much at all. Makes little sense how healthcare costs are determined.



Come at it with the perspective that they want most of us dead, then it will start to make more sense.
RobertHively Offline
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Brewha wrote:
I have a bad feeling that RKF might draw enough votes to give Cinnamon Hitler a shot at it.


I prefer

🍊 MENG

©Jonesy 2023
RayR Online
#32 Posted:
Joined: 07-20-2020
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RobertHively wrote:
Yeah we're going to start ours on March 16th. Wife got this "mini greenhouse" thing from Amazon, so this yr were going to start around 125 plants indoors--more than double what we did last yr.

Till and fertilize soil at the end of March and then till again when we plant mid May.

When do you plant up there in the north woods?




I won't be working on any ground or containers till early May for most stuff. The last frost date here (Zone 6) is usually around mid-May. So warm weather crops like tomatoes, peppers, eggplant, cucumbers, squash, basil, etc . only go to their final home outside when the temps are warm enough. Until then they get started under lights indoors and then hardened off outside in early May in the daytime as the weather allows to get them acclimated to real sunshine and outside conditions. Cool-weather crops can be started earlier indoors or outside (if the soil temperatures are not too cold. (lettuce, spinach, kale, peas, radishes etc.)
JGKAMIN Offline
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RobertHively wrote:
Come at it with the perspective that they want most of us dead, then it will start to make more sense.

Kill our own and replace them with those from parts unknown…
MaduroJorge Offline
#34 Posted:
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Abrignac wrote:
Biden wins.

Dems widen majority in Senate.

Dems win majority in House.



I move to Spain!!
8trackdisco Offline
#35 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
I have a bad feeling that RKF might draw enough votes to give Cinnamon Hitler a shot at it.


You scored two giggles with Cinnamon Hitler. My wife was the other one.
8trackdisco Offline
#36 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
We can only hope...


She chuckled at your response as well.
MACS Offline
#37 Posted:
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8trackdisco wrote:
She chuckled at your response as well.


Only cuz she knows me. Otherwise she'd probably think I was a deranged MAGA right wing nut-job.

Soooo... she knows I'm not deranged. Angel
deadeyedick Offline
#38 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Cheeto Jesus wins

Republicants pick up 2 senate seats

Republicants stay put in congress

Cheeto Jesus makes every democrat voter buy a gun and approved shoes so they can go fight in Gaza or Ukraine. Fines are issued to everyone who voted for Sleepy Joe in 2020 as reparations for the approved voters. 10 SCOTUS seats added so there’s a supermajority for decades. NFA is repealed and Republican voters are given a tax credit for either a machine gun or a functioning tank.




Your bartender should cut you off and help you get a ride home.
8trackdisco Offline
#39 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
Only cuz she knows me. Otherwise she'd probably think I was a deranged MAGA right wing nut-job.

Soooo... she knows I'm not deranged. Angel


She knows you aren’t deranged. At least not totally!
DrafterX Offline
#40 Posted:
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I was deplorable when deplorable wasn't cool.... Mellow
Abrignac Offline
#41 Posted:
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Republicans had an opportunity to run someone who could have easily beat Biden. Instead they chose a demagogue who will energize the opposition.

Fifty percent of something is better than 💯 of nothing.

SMH
deadeyedick Offline
#42 Posted:
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Abrignac wrote:
Republicans had an opportunity to run someone who could have easily beat Biden. Instead they chose a demagogue who will energize the opposition.

Fifty percent of something is better than 💯 of nothing.

SMH


EXACTLY how I feel about BOTH parties at this point.
Abrignac Offline
#43 Posted:
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deadeyedick wrote:
EXACTLY how I feel about both parties at this point.


Welcome to the age of extremism.
drglnc Offline
#44 Posted:
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Abrignac wrote:
Republicans had an opportunity to run someone who could have easily beat Biden. Instead they chose a demagogue who will energize the opposition.

Fifty percent of something is better than 💯 of nothing.

SMH



100% agree, and this goes for BOTH parties... Both are choosing to run terrible Candidates... either could win... If RFK picks Rogers then he will take votes from Trump and probably give the election to Biden.

i am really interested to see who Trump Pics as a VP, Biden should Drop Kamala but who to replace her with? it has to be a minority and/or women or the backlash would be HUGE. Nikki Haley? that could be interesting...
rfenst Offline
#45 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
Civil war happens...

You gonna go out to mame and kill people just because their politics differ from yours? Even when they are unarmed and not involved in physical conflict?




Will Political Hatred Spill Into the Streets?
The atmosphere in Biden-Trump America carries the odor of Weimar Germany or Chicago in 1968.


WSJ Opinion

My mother hated Richard Nixon. She knew him when they were both young in Washington in the 1940s. He was an ambitious young congressman from California, and she wrote a weekly column for the Knight Syndicate and occasional articles for the Saturday Evening Post. They would sometimes run into each other at political dinners, like the one at the Shoreham Hotel one night when they both got a little drunk. Nixon couldn’t hold his liquor—his dark eyes, almost obsidian, would look wet, and he would slur a bit. My mother thought she could outdrink any man living. “******,” she told him, “you ought to get out of politics. You don’t like people, so why don’t you do everyone a favor and give it up?”

Nixon called my father next morning at his office and said in that growling basso of his: “Hugh, can’t you control your wife?”

The family thought the story was funny—typical Nixon, typical Mom—and passed it along down the years. But my mother’s hatred was serious and enduring. She really hated Nixon, and the hatred became, as it were, an aspect of her personality. Lots of people felt hatred toward Nixon. Hers lasted until her death in 2008. If I had mentioned his name to her on her death bed, her last words would have been: “That son of a bitch!”

I’m fascinated by politicians who are capable of arousing that kind of personal loathing. It’s the negative side of charisma—political magnetism as a repellent force, a pure distillate, well beyond the ambit of manners or compromise, demonic almost. The antimatter of politics.

Franklin D. Roosevelt brought forth that sort of hatred, especially on Wall Street: “That man!” was the withering understatement. Those of us who lived through the 1960s recall the visceral, unappeasable hatred that many Americans, especially young men vulnerable to the draft, felt for Lyndon Johnson. “Hey, hey, LBJ, how many kids did you kill today?” The rage and loathing spilled into the streets during the 1968 Democratic National Convention in Chicago. It was on Michigan Avenue outside the Hilton that I witnessed the purest and most violent demonstration of the kind of political hatred I’m talking about: National Guardsmen on one side of the barbed wire, Yippies and hippies and other ragamuffins on the other, most wearing football helmets to protect their skulls against what they knew was coming.

Sure enough, the spectacle of mutual political hatred enacted itself with the precision of Newton’s third law of motion: for every action, an equal and opposite reaction. The protesters provoked; the cops poured out of Balbo Drive, a side street, waving riot clubs. They went to work on the football helmets or unprotected skull bones of the young. Blood flowed.

Likability and loathability, a political version of the good-cop-bad-cop routine, alternate in an approximate way in American history. No presidents, whatever their politics, were as likable, in an iconically American style, as Dwight Eisenhower and Ronald Reagan. Both turned sunny charisma to considerable—even historic—advantage.

But sometimes politicians suffer from what might be called a deficit of detestability. One glum day in January 1988, I was seated at the counter of a diner in New Hampshire, stirring a cup of tepid coffee. Beside me sat Rep. ****** Gephardt of Missouri, a candidate for president. He was taking a break from the campaign. No one in the diner recognized him or paid the slightest attention to him. He had the snub nose, china-blue eyes and bleached-white eyebrows of a middle-aged altar boy, an air of vanilla innocence—of harmlessness that was almost embarrassing. He seemed a little disconsolate. We were talking about George Wallace’s fiery campaign for president in 1972 and the day someone shot him in a parking lot in Laurel, Md.

On an impulse, I asked Mr. Gephardt: “Do you ever get assassination threats?”

A faraway, wistful look came into his eyes, and he said: “Jeez, I wish.”

Although he won the Iowa caucuses, Mr. Gephardt’s campaign fizzled and he dropped out in March.

The Democratic field, which briefly included Sen. Joe Biden, was called the “Seven Dwarfs.” The party’s eventual nominee, Gov. Michael Dukakis, was a nice guy who lost in November to another nice guy, Vice President George H.W. Bush, “the last gentleman.” Bush, just in time, had fallen under the influence of a bare-knuckled political manager named Lee Atwater, who played dirty. Newsweek had published a cover story suggesting Bush was a “wimp”—entirely too much of a gentleman—and so for the duration of the ’88 campaign he impersonated a nasty brawler and good old boy who claimed that he loved to eat pork rinds and listen to country music. He went around saying “read my lips” and talking tough on crime, harping on the case of Willie Horton, a murderer who brutalized a Maryland couple while on furlough from prison in Mr. Dukakis’s Massachusetts.

For all that, nobody managed to hate George H.W. Bush very much. He was the sort of man who wrote thank-you notes, in longhand, on the same day, and no one quite hates a man like that. It remained for his son, George W. Bush, to arouse spasms of real loathing.

It’s the memory of Chicago in 1968, I’m afraid, that gives me a premonition of the presidential campaign of 2024. It’s possible that neither human nature nor political dynamics have changed much in the 56 years between then and now. If anything, both have deteriorated. This summer, the Democrats are again meeting in Chicago.

If there ever was a figure capable of conjuring up the kind of visceral hatred that my sainted mother used to feel, it is Donald Trump. If Messrs. Gephardt and Dukakis appeared in a police lineup next to Mr. Trump, they would look like a pair of accountants standing beside “Gorgeous George,” the professional wrestler of the 1940s and ’50s. George had long, dyed-platinum hair, a sequined robe and a ring valet named “Jeffries” who escorted him into the ring carrying a silver mirror and a vial of Chanel No. 5 with which he disinfected the ambient squalor. Gorgeous George’s motto was “Always cheat.” He did. He became, in wrestling terms, an immensely successful “heel.”

Mr. Trump has expanded and developed the theme: the heel as hero—the political outlaw, the white heartland’s Pancho Villa or Stagger Lee. Louisiana’s Huey Long played that role so successfully during the 1930s that the mighty FDR feared him. Mr. Trump’s fan base sticks with him no matter what. He is their favorite wrestler. Criminal indictments only strengthen his appeal. As a lightning rod of loathing, Mr. Trump is unlike anything previously seen in American politics. If he shot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue, MAGA would praise his marksmanship and his demonstration of the Second Amendment in action. My mother had a vivid vocabulary; I can imagine the tirade she would have emitted at the mention of “President Trump.”

Here is the dark side: Politics in a democracy must rely on spoken and written language—on rhetoric, homiletics, invective. Its disputes and even hatreds must be rendered physically harmless, and at least half-civilized, by being translated into words. When Americans reach the limits of their political vocabularies, the game becomes dangerous. Sticks and stones will break your bones, and people will start setting things on fire. Mom, with her resources of billingsgate, never became violent. (In any case, she was 5-foot-1.)

This year—and it’s only March—the idiom of hatred, especially the invective directed at Mr. Trump and the equal-and-opposite invective fired back, has advanced to the brink of violence. The George Floyd summer, I’m afraid, was a foretaste of things to come.

The comparison of Mr. Trump to Hitler, the 20th century’s ne plus ultra of evil, has become a cliché. There they go again. A once-mighty insult, grown familiar and exhausted by overuse, tends to lose its power with the general public, if not with the accuser. When language becomes impotent, people reach for their clubs.

Maybe things will work out. But it’s the Weimar comparison—not the Hitler part, but the general disintegration—that comes back with an ugly pertinence. German political dialogue took to the streets, and the world became infinitely worse.
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Political hatred will spill out into the streets if Donald Trump keeps polling well. I expect a repeat of 2020 level riots unless Biden is reelected. It worked last time. No reason to change.
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rfenst wrote:
You gonna go out to mame and kill people just because their politics differ from yours? Even when they are unarmed and not involved in physical conflict?...

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Because they are the willing tools of those doing their dandiest to subjugate the USA and turn it into a third world shithole.
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#48 Posted:
Joined: 07-20-2020
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Gene363 wrote:
Because they are the willing tools of those doing their dandiest to subjugate the USA and turn it into a third world shithole.


I've heard all sorts of violence like maiming, killing and looting are a form of reparations.
Political hatred has been spilling out into the streets for some time, but some people haven't noticed.
The left is completely bonkers.

Remember this?

BLM organizer who called looting ‘reparations’ dismisses peaceful protesting

By Social Links for Lee Brown
Published Aug. 13, 2020

Quote:
The Chicago Black Lives Matter organizer who justified looting as “reparation” has doubled down — insisting this week that even calling someone a criminal is “based on racism.”

Ariel Atkins told WBEZ that her group “100 percent” supports the violent looters who trashed chunks of the Windy City on Monday, again repeating her claim that it is “reparations.”

“The whole idea of criminality is based on racism anyway,” she told the NPR station.

“Because criminality is punishing people for things that they have needed to do to survive or just the way that society has affected them with white supremacist BS,” she said.

More...

https://nypost.com/2020/08/13/blm-organizer-who-called-looting-reparations-doubles-down/


I've also heard the “Green New Deal” is also a form of reparations.

‘Squad’ Dem Touts Housing Green New Deal As ‘Reparations’ For ‘Marginalized Communities’

Harold Hutchison
March 21, 2024

Quote:
Democratic Rep. Jamaal Bowman of New York claimed Thursday that a proposed “Green New Deal” aimed at public housing was a form of “reparations.”

Bowman made the remarks during an event at which Democratic Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York and Independent Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont promoted the “Green New Deal for Public Housing Act.” Bowman, a member of “The Squad,” said that “historically marginalized communities” would receive “reparations” through the “Green New Deal” program for public housing and a similar program for public schools.

More...

https://dailycaller.com/2024/03/21/jamaal-bowman-touts-green-new-deal-housing-reparations/

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#49 Posted:
Joined: 06-23-2007
Posts: 39,330
Gene363 wrote:
Because they are the willing tools of those doing their dandiest to subjugate the USA and turn it into a third world shithole.

Due process..
You can't be the judge, jury and executioner- or you will definitely make the U.S. a third-world country.
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#50 Posted:
Joined: 01-24-2003
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rfenst wrote:
Due process..
You can't be the judge, jury and executioner- or you will definitely make the U.S. a third-world country.


A reasonable point, however when despots control media/propaganda and the judicial system the alternatives are quite narrow.
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