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Trump’s Russia Policy Is Appeasement
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#1 Posted:
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Like Chamberlain in the 1930s, he sees Ukraine as a faraway quarrel to avoid. This won’t bring peace or stop Putin.


WSJ Opinion
With Donald Trump now heavily favored to be the Republican nominee for president, his policy ideas are in the limelight. But his proposed solution for Russia’s invasion of Ukraine—the greatest security threat to Europe and the West in decades—has drawn little scrutiny or pushback. It can be summarized in one word: appeasement.

The word is a charged one, and I don’t use it lightly. It points directly to failed policies, especially those of past Democratic presidents, and implies that Mr. Trump’s proposed solution to the war in Ukraine is similarly doomed.

Last year he suggested letting Russia “take over” parts of Ukraine, and a few months ago claimed he would “resolve the war within 24 hours.” The only way to do that is to give Vladimir Putin what he wants, including recognition of Moscow’s proclaimed annexations in eastern and southern Ukraine.

The stalemate in Ukraine is frustrating, as is Washington’s dithering over unlocking funds to buck up Ukrainian forces. But Mr. Trump’s proposals are far worse, for all the reasons the West supposedly learned years ago.

The perils of appeasement—of thinking that granting concessions to an autocrat on the offensive will sate him—are legion. It is also a gross misreading of lessons learned, particularly in the lead-up to World War II, when Western leaders rolled over in the face of a genocidal maniac attempting to conquer Europe.

Neville Chamberlain, the figure most closely associated with appeasement, framed the Nazis’ ambition to shatter Czechoslovakia as a “quarrel in a faraway country, between people of whom we know nothing.” Limited to Adolf Hitler’s designs on Sudetenland, Chamberlain’s view might have seemed reasonable. But his policy in Munich stoked Hitler’s ambitions further, leading to the near-destruction of European civilization.

The reasons for Chamberlain’s failures are simple. He misunderstood Hitler’s ultimate designs and convinced the German tyrant that he could barrel through Western warnings without consequence. Over and again, the West proved Hitler right, until it was too late to prevent a world war. With such a policy in Ukraine, Mr. Trump risks the same.

Mr. Trump wouldn’t be the first American president to push appeasement. The Obama administration’s Iran policy involved turning a blind eye to Tehran’s support for proxy militias around the Middle East, so long as Iran gave up its nuclear program. That merely fueled the regime’s ambitions. So, too, did Barack Obama’s shortsighted “Russian reset” policy, as did the Biden administration’s initial belief that it could “park” Russia.

This kind of appeasement has a bipartisan legacy. But in Ukraine we now risk a horrific and destabilizing outcome.

As Joseph Goebbels wrote after the Munich agreements, Hitler’s “determination to obliterate the Czechs is unbroken.” So, too, is Mr. Putin’s determination to shatter Ukraine, especially if a policy of appeasement is pursued.

The scale of Hitler’s atrocities may make the comparison seem overwrought, but history increasingly rhymes despite Moscow’s lack of death camps and spiraling invasions elsewhere. Hitler and Putin both rose to power on the backs of conspiracy theories and notions of restoring great-power status to their countries. Both entrenched dictatorship on a platform of revanchist rhetoric and neoimperialist ambitions. And both, as scholars like Timothy Snyder have detailed, viewed Ukrainians as subalterns and Ukraine as the launchpad to European dominance.

Thinking that appeasement will satisfy Mr. Putin’s ambitions is as foolhardy as Chamberlain’s belief that such a policy could halt Hitler—not least because it elides Mr. Putin’s broader goals in Europe. While Mr. Putin supposedly aims at “de-Nazifying” Kyiv, the Kremlin is pushing for broader and more unsettling goals. As Russia scholar Fiona Hill wrote in early 2022, “Putin hopes he can strike a new security deal with NATO and Europe to avoid an open-ended conflict, and then it will be America’s turn to leave, taking its troops and missiles with it.” Thinking the war is solely about territory in eastern Ukraine is as myopic as thinking that Hitler wanted reunification with Sudeten Germans and nothing more.

Contra Chamberlain, the war in Ukraine is hardly a faraway quarrel. Those pushing appeasement appear to know nothing of Mr. Putin or the Kremlin’s ultimate designs. The idea that appeasing him will bring peace in our time should be dismissed out of hand—and has no place in the White House.




Mr. Michel is author of the forthcoming book “Foreign Agents: How American Lobbyists and Lawmakers Threaten Democracy Around the World.”
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#2 Posted:
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First I was told Trump is Hitler. Now I’m told Trump is Neville Chamberlain. Which is it?


“We are at a turning point in America, where building is crucial and will history look back on this and say America has failed itself? Why is this crucial? Well, if we don’t help Ukraine, Putin will tour Ukraine and we will lose the war. And we could be fighting in Eastern Europe at a NATO ally in a few years. Americans won’t like that.” ~ Chuck Schumer


Looks like we need to get this World War 3 started before Trump wins the election.
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#3 Posted:
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Did I miss congress declaring war?

Has the WSJ ever seen a war they didn’t like? It’s a money maker baby, they know who butters their bread.
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What are we stopping Putin from btw…..don’t tell me annexing Ukraine because he could be doing far more than he is.

Nothing funnier than groups of people that think we should be disarmed, telling us to shut up and let our nation play world decider.
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HockeyDad wrote:
First I was told Trump is Hitler. Now I’m told Trump is Neville Chamberlain. Which is it?


“We are at a turning point in America, where building is crucial and will history look back on this and say America has failed itself? Why is this crucial? Well, if we don’t help Ukraine, Putin will tour Ukraine and we will lose the war. And we could be fighting in Eastern Europe at a NATO ally in a few years. Americans won’t like that.” ~ Chuck Schumer


Looks like we need to get this World War 3 started before Trump wins the election.


Succinct!
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IIRC they said Trump would start WW3... and he started NO new wars, brokered peace in the middle east and it has been Biden appeasing the likes of Iran and Hamas... while laundering our tax dollars in Ukraine and doing nothing about China.

WSJ - leftist propaganda.
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Have been of the mindset if the government wants a nice war, they need to save up for it.

7 trillion and how many dead, disabled and homeless did we get searching out the mythical Weapons of Mass Destruction?

It’s a math problem.

If you are 35 trillion dollars in debt, how much extra money do you have for a nice war? Oh… you don’t.

We’ve played with the Ukraine pawn long enough to bleed Russia of 300,000 troops. A good days work.
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About that saving up for it….

The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO) released a report Wednesday projecting that federal budget deficits will skyrocket to well over $2 trillion per year in the next decade.

The baseline in the CBO’s annual budget and economic outlook covers the 2024 to 2034 period and projects that the budget deficit will rise from about $1.6 trillion in 2024 to $2.6 trillion in 2034, with deficits topping $2 trillion each year after 2031.

As a percentage of gross domestic product (GDP) – or the size of the U.S. economy – the deficit rises from 5.6% of GDP in 2024 to 6.1% of GDP in 2034. That comes after the percentage briefly dips in the late 2020s due to the projected expiration of tax provisions from the 2017 Trump tax cuts resulting in increased tax revenue to the government.

"After 2028, deficits climb as a percentage of GDP, returning to 6.1 percent in 2034. Since the Great Depression, deficits have exceeded that level only during and shortly after World War II, the 2007-2009 financial crisis, and the coronavirus pandemic," the CBO wrote in the report.
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#9 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
IIRC they said Trump would start WW3... and he started NO new wars, brokered peace in the middle east and it has been Biden appeasing the likes of Iran and Hamas... while laundering our tax dollars in Ukraine and doing nothing about China.

WSJ - leftist propaganda.


War is the health of the stock market, it beats that unpredictable capitalism stuff they say.
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