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Australia Shows Why Americans Should Not Give Another Inch On Gun Rights
RobertHively Offline
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In 1996 in the Tazmanian city of Port Arthur a man by the name of Martin Bryant killed 35 people using semi-automatic rifles in what would later be known as the Port Arthur Massacre. This singular event was quickly used as a rationale for the banning of most firearms for Australian civilians, but the new regulations were not a product of Port Arthur. Rather, anti-gun politicians had been pushing for restrictions and confiscation for many years prior; Port Arthur simply gave them enough public panic to get their legislation passed.

This is the modus operandi of the typical anti-gun lobby – Wait for a tragedy and then exploit it to punish all law abiding citizens for the crimes of a handful of deranged people. It doesn't make much sense unless you realize that gun control laws are not meant to thwart criminals, they are meant to thwart good people who might object to government trespasses.

The difference between Australia and America is, of course, that the right to arms and the right to self defense are codified in the US Constitution. There is no legal right to guns in Australia, it is treated as a privilege subject to the whims of authorities. However, regardless of the laws of men or constitutional protections, self defense is also a natural right. Anyone trying to take it away is in violation of natural law.

Outside of the perfect timing of a Port Arthur scenario, most anti-gun measures are incremental as a means to trick good citizens into believing their rights are not being diminished. Once these rights are sufficiently whittled down and the public has been conditioned to give ground to the government over time, the violations will never stop. Give them an inch and they will take a mile.

They will argue that there's no need for civilians to have semi-automatic rifles, then they will come for the pistols, then they will come for the lever action rifles, the bolt action rifles, the shotguns, until there is nothing left. Gun grabbers deny this agenda at every turn, but all we have to do is look at countries where gun rights have been cut down to see what the overall strategy is. The end game is total confiscation.

In Australia, the few firearms that are allowed in civilian hands are being scrutinized once again. This time around, pump action rifles that would be considered a joke or a novelty in the US are being portrayed as potential tools for mass shooters. The Australian government has sought to squeeze the Port Arthur attack for every last drop of anti-gun sympathy, even though it happened almost 30 years ago.

One could argue it was the lack of firearms owners in places like Australia that made it possible for the national government to enforce insane and draconian measures during the covid pandemic. These measures included threats of mandatory vaccination, mandatory reporting of vaccination, denying people the right to travel more than 3 miles from their homes, the use of official intimidation and arrest to silence contrary information online, and the installation of “covid camps” which were used for everyone, not just people traveling from overseas.

It makes sense that governments with this level of disrespect for the civil rights of the populace would want to erode whatever means of protection citizens have left, if only to ensure full compliance during the next manufactured crisis. They are doing it in Australia and they desperately want to do it in the US.
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Ban on guns in post offices is unconstitutional, US judge rules


(Reuters) - A federal judge in Florida on Friday ruled that a U.S. law that bars people from possessing firearms in post offices is unconstitutional, citing a landmark U.S. Supreme Court ruling from 2022 that expanded gun rights.

U.S. District Judge Kathryn Kimball Mizelle, an appointee of Republican former President Donald Trump in Tampa, reached that conclusion in dismissing part of an indictment charging a postal worker with illegally possessing a gun in a federal facility.

Mizelle said that charge violated Emmanuel Ayala's right to keep and bear arms under the U.S. Constitution's Second Amendment, saying "a blanket restriction on firearms possession in post offices is incongruent with the American tradition of firearms regulation."
She declined to dismiss a separate charge for forcibly resisting arrest. Ayala's lawyer and a U.S. Justice Department spokesperson did not respond to requests for comment.

The decision marked the latest court decision declaring a gun restriction unconstitutional following the conservative-majority Supreme Court's June 2022 ruling in New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen.

That ruling recognized for the first time that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to carry a handgun in public for self-defense. It also established a new test for assessing firearms laws, saying restrictions must be "consistent with this nation's historical tradition of firearm regulation."


Ayala, a U.S. Postal Service truck driver in Tampa, had a concealed weapons permit and kept a Smith & Wesson 9mm handgun in a fanny pack for self-defense, his lawyers said.

He was indicted after prosecutors said he brought the gun onto Postal Service property in 2012 and fled federal agents who tried to detain him.

He was charged under a statute that broadly prohibits possessing a firearm in a federal facility, including a post office.

Mizelle said that while post offices have existed since the nation's founding, federal law did not bar guns in government buildings until 1964 and post offices until 1972. No historical practice dating back to the 1700s justified the ban, she said.

Mizelle said allowing the federal government to restrict visitors from bringing guns into government facilities as a condition of admittance would allow it to "abridge the right to bear arms by regulating it into practical non-existence."

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rfenst Offline
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RobertHively wrote:
This is the modus operandi of the typical anti-gun lobby – Wait for a tragedy and then exploit it to punish all law abiding citizens for the crimes of a handful of deranged people. It doesn't make much sense unless you realize that gun control laws are not meant to thwart criminals, they are meant to thwart good people who might object to government trespasses....

One could argue it was the lack of firearms owners in places like Australia that made it possible for the national government to enforce insane and draconian measures during the covid pandemic. These measures included threats of mandatory vaccination, mandatory reporting of vaccination, denying people the right to travel more than 3 miles from their homes, the use of official intimidation and arrest to silence contrary information online, and the installation of “covid camps” which were used for everyone, not just people traveling from overseas.


I don't get how you dovetail these two imatters an come up with a conclusion something like that the lack of second amendment rights in Australia would have prevented covid mandates in Australia.

RayR Online
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I understand RH just fine.

A public that is disarmed and therefore defenseless is a limited threat to a government and their draconian dictates since the government has all the guns.

Australia's COVID policies were very draconian. An armed public would have made the LEFTY government think twice before putting into force their authoritarian measures.

RobertHively Offline
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rfenst wrote:
I don't get how you dovetail these two imatters an come up with a conclusion something like that the lack of second amendment rights in Australia would have prevented covid mandates in Australia.




Personally, I visited 9 states in 2020, never wore a mask, and nobody, government or otherwise, said anything to me.

At that time I kept up with the Australian news and I saw people getting their ass beaten, by cops, for not wearing a mask in the outdoors. I saw a pregnant women get dragged out of her house by police for criticizing the government "covid" response, online.

Questions for you:

Do you think "Joe 6 pack", armed with an AR-15, would just sit back and watch his pregnant wife get dragged out of their house, by 4 or 5 cops, because she wrote something about the government online?

If it wasn't because we are heavily armed, why do you think we as Americans were able to tell the government to pound sand concerning "covid mandates", while in other countries, such as Australia, they were brutalized by the police and sent to concentration camps?
Abrignac Offline
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edit of rfenst post wrote:
I don't get how you dovetail these two matters into one and come up conclude that if Australian citizens enjoyed the same or similar right as US citizens in then those citizens may have prevented covid mandates in Australia.



Two things. First I think you I spoke. So I edited your post to reflect what I think you meant to say. If not the. I apologize my friend.

Second I do agree with the post in some way. RH’s argument seems to be that had Australians enjoyed the same or similar rights as Americans then that government may have been faced with an armed rebellion or at least a resistance.

I agree in part because we are a nation born out of armed resistance. It would in my opinion be tragic if a new armed rebellion happened here. Even so I think it would be un-American to deny the current citizenry the right to rebel against another tyrannical government.
HockeyDad Offline
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RobertHively wrote:
Personally, I visited 9 states in 2020, never wore a mask, and nobody, government or otherwise, said anything to me.

I’m gonna guess California wasn’t one of those states! I’m still amazed at what we did there and there was no objection.
RayR Online
#8 Posted:
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Joey B. said gun owners would need F-15s and nukes to take on his regime.
That's how a dicktator talks.Eh?
DrMaddVibe Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
I’m gonna guess California wasn’t one of those states! I’m still amazed at what we did there and there was no objection.



Told ya...it was an isolated incident...still is.

Nobody is facing the gallows over this yet. So? It's all a set up for the weaklings to bleet their feelings...pleading their feelings over facts. Who won? Well, who's DNA was altered?
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