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14th Amendment Challenges
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Abrignac Offline
#1 Posted: Fri, Dec 29 2023, 12:22 PM EST
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For the life of me I don’t quite understand the lemming mentality of those state officials seeking to prevent Trump from being on the primary ballots.

How many times have we heard elected officials speak of the rule of law? Considering the fact that Trump has never been convicted of participating in an insurrection or giving comfort or aid to anyone who has been convicted of such, what it the LEGAL basis to prevent him from being listed in the ballot?

Are the Democrats that scared that Trump will beat Biden that they will attempt to usurp the DEMOCRATIC will of the people and base their hopes to get Biden reelected on a Hail Mary approach? Instead why didn’t they seek out someone other than the current buffoon whose bureaucratic minions are hellbent on taking us over a fiscal cliff by pursuing ridiculously expensive initiatives that have been shown to be counterproductive to the actual problems they’re meant to solve?

I can only surmise that the rationale is not to prevent Trump from being on the ballot in all 50 states. I think anyone who looks at the issue objectively realizes that the SCOTUS is going issue a ruling that quells any hopes of using the 14th Amendment to keep him off ANY ballot. My guess is this is simply going to be used by said officials as some badge of courage in a later election in which they seek higher office.

Mind you as far as I’m concerned Trump is the absolute worst current Republican candidate. But, that is irrelevant in terms of who is on the ballot.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#2 Posted: Fri, Dec 29 2023, 12:34 PM EST
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Remember when the trope Jack Smith charged a President with insurrection?

Oh wait...he can't (I mean he could but that would completely blow up in his face faster than what he's doing now!) that would make all of these other charges stick.

Those wishing for the 14th Amendment to wipe away Trump are akin to what the Democrats in the South did to Lincoln and we ALL know how THAT turned out! Now, who really wants to FA&FO how the Supreme Court comes down on that?

Tick tock...
RayR Offline
#3 Posted: Fri, Dec 29 2023, 2:25 PM EST
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That 14th Amendment insurrectionist thing about preventing former Confederates from running for office was a real joke to begin with, a novel invention created by radical (leftist) Republicans to dominate the political landscape at that time.
Who committed insurrection? The Confederate States did not start an armed resistance to invade the Union and take control of the government in Washington D.C. Nope, they just wanted to be left alone.
The Lincolnites did however militarily invade the Confederacy with the clear intent to topple their constituted governments. Now that's a real INSURRECTION!

It's not surprising that the modern-day leftist Democrats are trying to use the same 19th-century leftist Republican strategy to label who the insurrectionists are with the intent to dominate the political landscape.Think
DrMaddVibe Offline
#4 Posted: Fri, Dec 29 2023, 3:44 PM EST
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RayR wrote:

Who committed insurrection? The Confederate States did not start an armed resistance to invade the Union and take control of the government in Washington D.C.


Actually thats EXACTLY what they did starting with Ft. Sumter.

At one point during the war they surrounded DC and could've taken the Capitol Building while in full session.
RayR Offline
#5 Posted: Fri, Dec 29 2023, 10:52 PM EST
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[quote=DrMaddVibe]Actually thats EXACTLY what they did starting with Ft. Sumter.

At one point during the war they surrounded DC and could've taken the Capitol Building while in full session.[/quote

They did surround DC and could've taken the Capitol Building while in full session but they didn't because they weren't interested in an insurrection.

Ft. Sumter. was on South Carolina land (A Confederate state)
The Union armies had already left all forts throughout the seven seceding states, except Ft Sumpter at Charleston and Ft. Pickens at Pensacola (with the South paying for costs). These were the two forts where Lincoln needed to collect his blessed tariffs.
President James Buchanan had already tried to resupply the fort once, but on January 9, 1861, the ships were driven back by Confederate gunfire, and not wanting to start a war they did not return fire.
When Lincoln took the oath of office in April, he began plans to send a second expedition to resupply the fort which members of his cabinet including Secretary of State William H. Seward warned would be construed as an act of war. The commanding general of the army, Winfield Scott, advised Lincoln to surrender Sumter. Scott argued that the cost of reinforcing the fort was simply too great, and that evacuation “would instantly soothe and give confidence to the eight remaining slave-holding States” in the Union and keep them tied to the nation and the administration. Dicktator Lincoln ignored all advice and dashed any hopes of a peaceful resolution. On April 14, 1861, Major Anderson formally surrendered the fort after the Confederate bombardment.
The next day, Lincoln issued a call for 75,000 men to put down the so-called rebellion and then called for a naval blockade of Southern ports.
Did you know that those are overt acts of war under international laws of war? Who started the war again?
rfenst Offline
#6 Posted: Sat, Dec 30 2023, 12:11 AM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
Mind you as far as I’m concerned Trump is the absolute worst current Republican candidate. But, that is irrelevant in terms of who is on the ballot.

I agree 100%.
MACS Offline
#7 Posted: Sun, Dec 31 2023, 3:50 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
I agree 100%.


I don't. He's the only one the mother forkers can't BUY. And he's going to win again. And I hope he does what Milei is doing. Start firing mother forkers... left and right.
Whistlebritches Offline
#8 Posted: Mon, Jan 1 2024, 1:46 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
I don't. He's the only one the mother forkers can't BUY. And he's going to win again. And I hope he does what Milei is doing. Start firing mother forkers... left and right.



Agree 100%...........DRAIN THAT MOTHERFORKING SWAMP ONCE AND FOR ALL!!!
RayR Offline
#9 Posted: Tue, Jan 2 2024, 2:19 PM EST
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An interesting story from the age of Wilsonian Progressivism:

Trump Wouldn't Be the First Non-Confederate Barred From Office by the 14th Amendment


The weird story of Victor Berger, the Espionage Act, and "Shoeless" Joe Jackson.

Eric Boehm | 12.29.2023 1:00 PM

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Last week's ruling by the Colorado Supreme Court that former President Donald Trump is ineligible to hold federal office under the terms of the 14th Amendment is a nearly unprecedented situation.

Nearly.

Per Section 3 of that constitutional amendment, passed in the wake of the Civil War, former elected officials guilty of having engaged "in insurrection or rebellion against" the federal government are forbidden from holding office. It is obviously a provision meant to keep former Confederates from returning to Congress after the war, but the Colorado Supreme Court has determined that Trump's role in instigating the January 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol meets the vague standards outlined set forth in the amendment. On Thursday, Maine Secretary of State Shanna Bellows announced that Trump would be removed from the state's primary ballot because he is ineligible for office under the terms outlined in the 14th Amendment.

Since the end of Reconstruction, Trump is just the second person ruled ineligible for federal office due to that provision.

The first: Victor Berger, who is perhaps slightly more well known for being the first Socialist elected to Congress.

Berger was born in Austria and immigrated to the United States as a young man. In 1910, he won a seat in Congress representing Milwaukee, Wisconsin, and served a single two-year term. After being defeated in 1912, Berger remained active in left-wing politics and opposed America's entry into the First World War. In 1918, he was convicted (along with several other Socialist organizers) of having violated the Espionage Act of 1917, which effectively criminalized any criticism of the war effort.

Officially, Berger was found guilty of 26 "disloyal acts" related to a series of editorials published by the Milwaukee Leader, a paper Berger helped run, arguing against America's involvement in the war.

More...

https://reason.com/2023/12/29/trump-wouldnt-be-the-first-non-confederate-barred-from-office-by-the-14th-amendment/
RayR Offline
#10 Posted: Fri, Jan 12 2024, 2:12 PM EST
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Oops...I guess he should have paid his fair share of tribute to the regime. Shame on you

Trump 14th Amendment challenge organizer arrested on tax charges

Castro, for his part, insisted that the case was retaliation for his efforts to challenge Trump's ballot eligibility.

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John Anthony Castro, the organizer of multiple lawsuits challenging former President Donald Trump's eligibility for the White House, was arrested this week on tax charges.

Authorities have alleged that he maintained a tax filing business in which he offered to secure higher tax refunds and submitted false filings to the government.

"In order to achieve these larger refunds, Castro generated false deductions, that were not based in fact, and which were submitted without the taxpayer’s knowledge," prosecutors said, according to The Hill. He was charged with 33 counts of aiding the preparation of false tax returns for filing 17 sets of false documents with the IRS.

More...

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/trump-14th-amendment-challenge-organizer-arrested-tax-charges
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