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College Football Playoffs
KingoftheCove Offline
#51 Posted:
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Ugh……….went down a few brutal Internet rabbit holes on this whole thing….
And well, my stance has changed………somewhat…
FSU is getting FUQED……….with no lube……….and it’s embarrassing.
Bama 5, FSU in at 3 or 4………Texas/washington stay in

Let Bama and UGA slug it out……….

Problem is, NOW, several, and possibly more than several players from BOTH FSU AND UGA, wont play in the”We Got Snubbed” Bowl game, either because of the transfer portal, or the NFL dream.
That said, the “result” of the game will “prove” nothing, if each team is only playing 6 or 7 starters on both sides of the ball.

The whole thing is FUBAR, driven by TV money and corporate greed.
(what else is new?)
HockeyDad Offline
#52 Posted:
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The important thing is the SEC has one or two teams in the championship.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#53 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
The important thing is the SEC has one or two teams in the championship.


And Notre Dame get a bowl game too... God bless us one and all!
Abrignac Offline
#54 Posted:
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Horst what you said actually helps drive a nail into the coffin of the current post season bowl format.

As it stands, only 4 teams compete for the championship. From a desirable and draft eligible player’s perspective there is little incentive to play in a post season bowl absent national championship implications. They aren’t going to be paid to play in a game that for them is essentially meaningless even though their school will be paid handsomely. So I don’t see any incentive for them to risk injury thus a large paycheck.

On the other hand a playoff with say 16 teams where beginning with the first round each team has an equal chance to eventually play for the title and a ring for each player along with bragging rights there is some incentive for those players to play until their team is eliminated or they win the title game.
MACS Offline
#55 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
If both teams have all available players…..well there is the asterisk. How many will decline to play and turn pro? Perhaps enough to say any result is irrelevant.


And that's what the committee gets... if those kids are all like... Eff this... I don't blame them.
KingoftheCove Offline
#56 Posted:
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Regarding college stars not playing in bowl games due to…………….NFL dreams, the portal, or whatever…

Me wonders how the NIL people will structure future deals with the college football “stars”……………maybe, “no play, no pay” will soon become the norm in contracts…
Ha!
Abrignac Offline
#57 Posted:
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KingoftheCove wrote:
Regarding college stars not playing in bowl games due to…………….NFL dreams, the portal, or whatever…

Me wonders how the NIL people will structure future deals with the college football “stars”……………maybe, “no play, no pay” will soon become the norm in contracts…
Ha!


Honestly I don’t think the people offering the money for the deals really care if the person plays in a bowl game.
KingoftheCove Offline
#58 Posted:
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Abrignac wrote:
Honestly I don’t think the people offering the money for the deals really care if the person plays in a bowl game.

Hmmm……….I dont know what percentage of NIL money comes from corporate sponsors versus private donors.
I would think the corporate ones would want their pound of flesh so to speak.
KingoftheCove Offline
#59 Posted:
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Then again, as i think of it more, you are probably right Anthony, especially if they ( corporate sponsor) want to keep the athlete beyond college for NIL money, etc.
Abrignac Offline
#60 Posted:
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KingoftheCove wrote:
Then again, as i think of it more, you are probably right Anthony, especially if they ( corporate sponsor) want to keep the athlete beyond college for NIL money, etc.


Basically the player is nothing more than a paid spokesperson. The NIL contract is to attract a player to a specific school.

The sponsor is simply a booster willing to pay to get a player. Once the player’s eligibility is exhausted the incentive to pay them NIL money expires.

Couple that with the fact that anyone worth an NIL deal can be expected to receive a huge pro sports signing bonus within say a year of signing the deal. So I’m certain part of the negotiation includes language exempting the player from post season play if the school isn’t playing for a championship.

It’s now common practice for players to skip post season play. So why sign a deal that risks injury from a booster of school A when they can sell their services, including favorable terms to said deals, to the highest bidder via the portal?
HockeyDad Offline
#61 Posted:
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aZm3pc5HbsY
DrMaddVibe Offline
#62 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aZm3pc5HbsY



This checks out
Burner02 Offline
#63 Posted:
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From where I sit the selection committee got it right under the circumstances. FSU was a stronger team early and Alabama stronger late, plus defeated UGA.

The truth of the matter is that FSU only needs to look as far as the ACC Conference office to see who screwed them out of the playoffs this year.

The “Alliance” took care of that a couple of years ago. The major conferences were already in discussions to expand the playoffs beyond the current number of four. Then out of the blue, Texas and Oklahoma announced they were going to make application to join the SEC. I’m guessing the PAC 12, Big 12 and the ACC were butt hurt, that they were cut out of the action. As a result, the PAC 12, Big 12 and ACC formed the “Alliance.”

I’m not sure what the “Alliance” was going to accomplish other than resisting the SEC in future playoff negotiations. They were successful, the SEC was pushing for the playoffs to expand to 12 teams for the 2023 season and the “Alliance” won out. The playoffs expand to 12 teams in 2024, not 2023.

So, if FSU wants to blame someone for missing the playoffs look no further than the ACC office.
KingoftheCove Offline
#64 Posted:
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Burner02 wrote:
From where I sit the selection committee got it right under the circumstances. FSU was a stronger team early and Alabama stronger late, plus defeated UGA.

The truth of the matter is that FSU only needs to look as far as the ACC Conference office to see who screwed them out of the playoffs this year.

The “Alliance” took care of that a couple of years ago. The major conferences were already in discussions to expand the playoffs beyond the current number of four. Then out of the blue, Texas and Oklahoma announced they were going to make application to join the SEC. I’m guessing the PAC 12, Big 12 and the ACC were butt hurt, that they were cut out of the action. As a result, the PAC 12, Big 12 and ACC formed the “Alliance.”

I’m not sure what the “Alliance” was going to accomplish other than resisting the SEC in future playoff negotiations. They were successful, the SEC was pushing for the playoffs to expand to 12 teams for the 2023 season and the “Alliance” won out. The playoffs expand to 12 teams in 2024, not 2023.

So, if FSU wants to blame someone for missing the playoffs look no further than the ACC office.

Wrong.
The major sin was the fact that the “committee” was fine letting previous school’s in, when THEY were using a backup quarterback, but suddenly it becomes an issue?
Bullchit.
Furthermore, FSU beat the 14 ranked team with their third stringer, and their second stringer is set to come back.
This was strictly a $$$ decision, and a historical SEC bias driven result……historical, because THIS year, they weren’t all that!

Just for chits and giggles, just “switch” positions with FSU and Alabama.
Make Alabama undefeated, but down to third string quarterback, and they win against the 14 ranked team last game of the season.
And FSU is the one loss team, that needed a hail mary the previous week, and wins a close one against Georgia.

Who is the committee going to pick?
Exactly, because they are undefeated afterall….

FSU got fuqed, plain and simple.
delta1 Offline
#65 Posted:
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but...but...ya cain't have a college football champeenship widdout an SEC team...plain and simple...
MACS Offline
#66 Posted:
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Well... what he said is true, so he's not wrong.

What you said is accurate, so neither are you. Both things can be true.

I still think dropping UGA was a crime.
Burner02 Offline
#67 Posted:
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KingoftheCove wrote:
Wrong.
The major sin was the fact that the “committee” was fine letting previous school’s in, when THEY were using a backup quarterback, but suddenly it becomes an issue?
Bullchit.
Furthermore, FSU beat the 14 ranked team with their third stringer, and their second stringer is set to come back.
This was strictly a $$$ decision, and a historical SEC bias driven result……historical, because THIS year, they weren’t all that!

Just for chits and giggles, just “switch” positions with FSU and Alabama.
Make Alabama undefeated, but down to third string quarterback, and they win against the 14 ranked team last game of the season.
And FSU is the one loss team, that needed a hail mary the previous week, and wins a close one against Georgia.

Who is the committee going to pick?
Exactly, because they are undefeated afterall….

FSU got fuqed, plain and simple.



What if all you want and while doing so, thank the ACC and the "Alliance."





Burner02 Offline
#68 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
but...but...ya cain't have a college football champeenship widdout an SEC team...plain and simple...



You are getting wise in your old age.
delta1 Offline
#69 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
Well... what he said is true, so he's not wrong.

What you said is accurate, so neither are you. Both things can be true.

I still think dropping UGA was a crime.



UGA is better than Texas and Alabama

comparing the teams statistically, comparing their offensive and defensive rankings, UGA is the best one loss team, Texas is second and both are superior to FSU
Burner02 Offline
#70 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
UGA is better than Texas and Alabama

comparing the teams statistically, comparing their offensive and defensive rankings, UGA is the best one loss team, Texas is second and both are superior to FSU



I will have to retract #68.
ZRX1200 Offline
#71 Posted:
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Bama sux
8trackdisco Offline
#72 Posted:
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KingoftheCove wrote:
Wrong.
The major sin was the fact that the “committee” was fine letting previous school’s in, when THEY were using a backup quarterback, but suddenly it becomes an issue?
Bullchit.
Furthermore, FSU beat the 14 ranked team with their third stringer, and their second stringer is set to come back.
This was strictly a $$$ decision, and a historical SEC bias driven result……historical, because THIS year, they weren’t all that!

Just for chits and giggles, just “switch” positions with FSU and Alabama.
Make Alabama undefeated, but down to third string quarterback, and they win against the 14 ranked team last game of the season.
And FSU is the one loss team, that needed a hail mary the previous week, and wins a close one against Georgia.

Who is the committee going to pick?
Exactly, because they are undefeated afterall….

FSU got fuqed, plain and simple.


Best post of the thread.
Whistlebritches Offline
#73 Posted:
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As long as LSU isn't in the playoffs I'm good......... while not a Longhorn fan it is nice to see a Texas team make the cut and have a damn good chance of winning a National Championship
frankj1 Offline
#74 Posted:
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Burner02 wrote:
I will have to retract #68.

this is the type of post that keeps me coming back!
delta1 Offline
#75 Posted:
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Angry
rfenst Offline
#76 Posted:
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Florida's attorney general is taking steps toward a lawsuit over college football playoffs

AP
Florida State coach Mike Norvell lifts the trophy after the team's win over Louisville in the Atlantic Coast Conference championship NCAA college football game, Saturday, Dec. 2, 2023, in Charlotte, NC.
In a step toward a potential lawsuit, Attorney General Ashley Moody on Tuesday demanded wide-ranging information from the College Football Playoff Selection Committee about Florida State University’s exclusion from the upcoming four-team playoff.

“In Florida, merit matters. FSU proved that they deserved to be in the playoffs,” Moody told The News Service of Florida. “If the selection committee believes that is not the case, and there was truth in that deliberative process and they truly followed their protocols, then we expect them to be cooperative and provide us all of this information.”

The demand, known as an antitrust civil investigative demand, is a way to gather information ahead of a possible lawsuit.

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The document said it is part of an investigation to determine if antitrust violations have occurred through “the nature of possible contracts, conspiracies in restraint of trade or monopolization of trade and commerce relating to anticompetitive effects of the College Football Playoff.”

The FSU football team went undefeated and won the Atlantic Coast Conference championship this fall, but the playoff committee selected Michigan, Washington, Texas and Alabama to compete for the national championship.

Moody’s request seeks information about such things as votes and vote tallies by committee members during closed-door deliberations; statements relating to the deliberations, including media talking points and interview notes; and committee ethics and conflict-of-interest standards.

In a proposed budget released last seek, Gov. Ron DeSantis included $1 million for any legal action related to FSU being left out of the playoff.

Chris Spencer, director of the governor’s Office of Policy and Budget, told members of the Senate Appropriations Committee on Tuesday that DeSantis believes FSU was “wronged” and that there is economic harm to the school.

The football team and involvement in playoff “drives a lot of focus on recruitment for students,” Spencer said. “It also drives other non-athletic related donations that end up supporting the institution and defrays the amount of investment the state has to commit towards these institutions.”


Poor sportsmanship.
MACS Offline
#77 Posted:
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^Yup... dumb move.
8trackdisco Offline
#78 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
Florida's attorney general is taking steps toward a lawsuit over college football playoffs

AP
Florida State coach Mike Norvell lifts the trophy after the team's win over Louisville in the Atlantic Coast Conference championship NCAA college football game, Saturday, Dec. 2, 2023, in Charlotte, NC.
In a step toward a potential lawsuit, Attorney General Ashley Moody on Tuesday demanded wide-ranging information from the College Football Playoff Selection Committee about Florida State University’s exclusion from the upcoming four-team playoff.

“In Florida, merit matters. FSU proved that they deserved to be in the playoffs,” Moody told The News Service of Florida. “If the selection committee believes that is not the case, and there was truth in that deliberative process and they truly followed their protocols, then we expect them to be cooperative and provide us all of this information.”

The demand, known as an antitrust civil investigative demand, is a way to gather information ahead of a possible lawsuit.

Looking for MORE trusted news? Subscribe to WFSU's Daily News to receive all the day's stories right in your inbox. Don't miss a beat!

The document said it is part of an investigation to determine if antitrust violations have occurred through “the nature of possible contracts, conspiracies in restraint of trade or monopolization of trade and commerce relating to anticompetitive effects of the College Football Playoff.”

The FSU football team went undefeated and won the Atlantic Coast Conference championship this fall, but the playoff committee selected Michigan, Washington, Texas and Alabama to compete for the national championship.

Moody’s request seeks information about such things as votes and vote tallies by committee members during closed-door deliberations; statements relating to the deliberations, including media talking points and interview notes; and committee ethics and conflict-of-interest standards.

In a proposed budget released last seek, Gov. Ron DeSantis included $1 million for any legal action related to FSU being left out of the playoff.

Chris Spencer, director of the governor’s Office of Policy and Budget, told members of the Senate Appropriations Committee on Tuesday that DeSantis believes FSU was “wronged” and that there is economic harm to the school.

The football team and involvement in playoff “drives a lot of focus on recruitment for students,” Spencer said. “It also drives other non-athletic related donations that end up supporting the institution and defrays the amount of investment the state has to commit towards these institutions.”


Poor sportsmanship.


I get why they are doing it. But to what end?
A stay, so all of the bowl games stop?
Do they stop the Final Four and the FSU v. Georgia games until this weaves its way through the court?

If the move is let the games play out and they are able to rip the festering scab of corruption and SEC cronyism off, and sanitize the wound, then I’m on board.

Waiting for after Christmas sales to get myself an FSU hoodie.
MACS Offline
#79 Posted:
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8trackdisco wrote:
Waiting for after Christmas sales to get myself an FSU hoodie.


Hmmmm... given my proximity to FSU I could prolly get ya one at the local Ross on the cheap.
KingoftheCove Offline
#80 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
Hmmmm... given my proximity to FSU I could prolly get ya one at the local Ross on the cheap.

You should prolly wait until after Georgia smashes FSU………they will be cheap then….

Then again……..if FSU wins??
Ya might not find one…

Edit
Looks like both starting wideouts and the second string QB for FSU not gonna play……….that hurts………a little…
Probably more FSU players will skip it in the coming days.
MACS Offline
#81 Posted:
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^That's unfortunate, but they're doing it because they know they're gonna get crushed... this gives them the "we didn't play our starters" excuse.
rfenst Offline
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I think the bowls did the right thing given FSU's struggles without its star quarterback over the last few games.

In my mind, I want to see the best matchups that have the best chance of three individually great games.

I am a Michigan fan and am concerned Alabama just might beat them. I believe that FSU would have little to no chance against either of them right now..

And, someone always gets left out...

Suit might force a settlement for lost compensation, but the state should NOT be spending taxpayer money for this.
HockeyDad Offline
#83 Posted:
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A lawsuit would be silly. Every team should just apply to join the SEC.

There are only two games that matter anymore during bowl season. Georgia and FSU have many players turning pro, entering transfer portals, or just sitting out their game. Damage is done, time to move on.
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#84 Posted:
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I remember years ago Oklahoma State was in the running... most judges/whoever votes ranked OSU 3 to 5.. one judge ranked them like 21 so the average took OSU out of the playoffs... it sucked but nobody cried or threatened lawsuits... just sayin... Mellow
KingoftheCove Offline
#85 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
That's unfortunate, but they're doing it because they know they're gonna get crushed... this gives them the "we didn't play our starters" excuse.

Eh………..maybe…….If FSU was full strenght?
Might have been a game.
No idea why the second string QB is sitting, other than ………….mebee he doesnt wanna take 6-8 hard sacks.

Those wideouts will be playing on Sundays.
They are simply protecting their “investment”…
Burner02 Offline
#86 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
Hmmmm... given my proximity to FSU I could prolly get ya one at the local Ross on the cheap.



Make sure you get him the model with free sneakers or stolen crab legs. (True FSU fans will understand)
Burner02 Offline
#87 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
A lawsuit would be silly. Every team should just apply to join the SEC.

There are only two games that matter anymore during bowl season. Georgia and FSU have many players turning pro, entering transfer portals, or just sitting out their game. Damage is done, time to move on.



FSU was invited to join the SEC in 90 or 91 and declined. Coach Bowden elected to go the ACC route instead.
MACS Offline
#88 Posted:
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Burner02 wrote:
Make sure you get him the model with free sneakers or stolen crab legs. (True FSU fans will understand)


There's a reason their nickname is "Free Shoes University". LOL
8trackdisco Offline
#89 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
There's a reason their nickname is "Free Shoes University". LOL


Yeah, am aware of that one. Crab legs?

A day of viewing an orgy of college football today.
dkeage Offline
#90 Posted:
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8trackdisco wrote:
Yeah, am aware of that one. Crab legs?

A day of viewing an orgy of college football today.

When Jameis Winston was at FSU, he was caught walking out of a store with a couple pounds of Crab Legs in his pants….d'oh!
8trackdisco Offline
#91 Posted:
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dkeage wrote:
When Jameis Winston was at FSU, he was caught walking out of a store with a couple pounds of Crab Legs in his pants….d'oh!



Winston having crabs sounds about right. He was probably quite popular.

Looks like a watery mess in Orlando for the Avocado (and Fentnyl) from Mexico Bowl.
MACS Offline
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UGA just poured FSU a hot cup of STFU.

63-3? Largest margin of victory. Breaking their own record.

Georgia's players played. Except Bowers... but they did throw in the backups 2nd half. FSU knew they were gonna get the brakes beat off them so had a whole lotta opt outs... damn shame.

GEORGIA should have been pissed about being left out. They had ONE bad game all year and it was at the wrong damn time.
8trackdisco Offline
#93 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
UGA just poured FSU a hot cup of STFU.

63-3? Largest margin of victory. Breaking their own record.

Georgia's players played. Except Bowers... but they did throw in the backups 2nd half. FSU knew they were gonna get the brakes beat off them so had a whole lotta opt outs... damn shame.

GEORGIA should have been pissed about being left out. They had ONE bad game all year and it was at the wrong damn time.



We see it differently. Here's my perspective.

I'm thrilled FSU had 12, or was it 14? players opt out for one reason or another for the the game. The Bowl Committee made a joke out of the "Power 5" playoff, so FSU made a joke out of the bowl game.

Plus, it gave a bunch of new blood onto the field. Experience for next year.

Go Noles!
KingoftheCove Offline
#94 Posted:
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I didnt watch…
I knew it would be ugly……..but it was UGLY.

NIL has ruined college sports……..that said………it needed to happen.
Just wish “they” could have figured out a better way to address the situation.

We will see if next year is any better.
ZRX1200 Offline
#95 Posted:
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a girl once, she made me feel like Winston.

HockeyDad Offline
#96 Posted:
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8trackdisco wrote:
We see it differently. Here's my perspective.

I'm thrilled FSU had 12, or was it 14? players opt out for one reason or another for the the game. The Bowl Committee made a joke out of the "Power 5" playoff, so FSU made a joke out of the bowl game.

Plus, it gave a bunch of new blood onto the field. Experience for next year.

Go Noles!


FSU had 29 opt out. The second and third team played. FSU is suing the ACC to leave the conference. Only three bowl games matter. They can cancel the rest.
MACS Offline
#97 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
FSU had 29 opt out. The second and third team played. FSU is suing the ACC to leave the conference. Only three bowl games matter. They can cancel the rest.


Even Kirby Smart said it was a travesty. I'm not saying the 29 opt outs didn't matter, it most certainly did. But all of Georgia's players played. Why couldn't FSU's?

You want to make a statement? You play everyone and win.
Abrignac Offline
#98 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
Even Kirby Smart said it was a travesty. I'm not saying the 29 opt outs didn't matter, it most certainly did. But all of Georgia's players played. Why couldn't FSU's?

You want to make a statement? You play everyone and win.


Because they are a bunch of petulant crybabies. FSU dominated a nothing conference. They didn’t deserve to play in the CFP. The fact that they were undefeated doesn’t matter. It’s like saying Florida A&M should have been in the CFP had they not lost to the mighty South Florida Bulls.

All FSU had to do was win a decisive victory against Louisville in their most important game of the season and the muffed it. If they want to blame someone for not being in the CFP they need to look in the mirror.
8trackdisco Offline
#99 Posted:
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Abrignac wrote:
Because they are a bunch of petulant crybabies. FSU dominated a nothing conference. They didn’t deserve to play in the CFP. The fact that they were undefeated doesn’t matter. It’s like saying Florida A&M should have been in the CFP had they not lost to the mighty South Florida Bulls.

All FSU had to do was win a decisive victory against Louisville in their most important game of the season and the muffed it. If they want to blame someone for not being in the CFP they need to look in the mirror.


That “Nothing conference” had a winning record against SEC teams.
Guess that makes the SEC less than nothing.
Burner02 Offline
#100 Posted:
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Guess I can blame Auburn's loss to Maryland a result of optouts.























Nope, after further review Auburn thought they were playing New Mexico State and got their azzzs handed to them.
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