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Four Proud Boys Are Found Guilty of Seditious Conspiracy
rfenst Offline
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Jury convicts members of far-right group on gravest charge brought in connection with Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol riot


WSJ
WASHINGTON—A jury found four leading figures of the Proud Boys, including its former chairman Enrique Tarrio, guilty of seditious conspiracy, the gravest charge brought in connection with the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol.

The verdict Thursday came more than a week after the jury started deliberating in a trial that dragged out for more than three months over legal objections and other courtroom wrangling between federal prosecutors and defense lawyers.

Proud Boys leaders Mr. Tarrio, Ethan Nordean, Joseph Biggs and Zachary Rehl were convicted of seditious conspiracy, which carries a maximum penalty of 20 years in prison, and other charges. The defendants have been in custody since their arrests and will be sentenced at a later date.

The jurors acquitted a fifth Proud Boys defendant, Dominic Pezzola, of seditious conspiracy after additional deliberations on Thursday. They found him guilty on other charges including obstructing a proceeding of Congress and destruction of government property.

The jurors were unable to reach a verdict on some lesser charges against all the defendants, and the judge declared a mistrial on those counts.

The result marked a significant victory for the Justice Department, which had invoked the rarely used seditious-conspiracy charge against members of the far-right group then- President Donald Trump told to “stand back and stand by” from the 2020 debate stage. During the trial, federal prosecutors said the Proud Boys were jubilant over the debate-stage remark and viewed themselves as “Donald Trump’s army” as the former president challenged his 2020 election defeat.

“Today’s verdict makes clear that the Justice Department will do everything in its power to defend the American people and defend democracy,” Attorney General Merrick Garland said.

“We respect the jury’s decision although we disagree with it,” said Nayib Hassan, a lawyer for Mr. Tarrio. “We are currently working on the appellate process.”

The Proud Boys has described itself as a men’s organization for “Western chauvinists” and has often fought with left-wing activists. “The fact that the Proud Boys leaders are officially seditionists will surely hurt the Proud Boys’ arguments that they are merely a fraternal drinking club,” said Jon Lewis, a researcher at the Program on Extremism at George Washington University.

Thursday’s verdict could deter some Proud Boys recruits, but the far-right group has shown remarkable resilience after the Capitol riot, extremism researchers say.

“The Proud Boys’ reputation will certainly be damaged due to the revelations during the trial and today’s convictions, but it won’t signal a death blow to the organization, and we expect their local activity to continue,” said Lindsay Schubiner, director of programs at Western States Center, a left-leaning Portland, Ore.-based civil-rights organization.

The guilty verdicts are among the highest-profile convictions the Justice Department has secured in the wave of more than 1,000 prosecutions stemming from the Jan. 6, 2021, assault on the Capitol. In the two years since the attack, federal prosecutors have extracted guilty pleas from hundreds of accused rioters while also winning numerous convictions at trial.

Still, the Justice Department expects the reckoning with the Capitol attack to continue for years to come, saying last year that more than 1,000 further people could face charges linked to the assault.

The government earlier secured seditious-conspiracy convictions against six members of another far-right group, the Oath Keepers, for their roles in the Jan. 6 attack. In two separate trials, prosecutors presented evidence that the group stashed weapons for a “quick reaction” force that could be summoned into Washington. They also showed video of some Oath Keepers members moving into the Capitol in military-style “stack formation.”

Prosecutors pursued a more ambitious theory in the Proud Boys case, arguing in court filings and hearings that the group planned to rile up the crowd, effectively mobilizing the mob of Mr. Trump’s supporters.

The government highlighted a message in which Mr. Tarrio celebrated the attack, writing: “Make no mistake. We did this.” While the most prominent of the five defendants, Mr. Tarrio wasn’t physically present at the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, having been ordered to remain outside Washington following his arrest days earlier on charges related to the burning of a Black Lives Matter flag the previous month.

The trial featured testimony from Jeremy Bertino, a former Proud Boy from North Carolina, who pleaded guilty in October to seditious conspiracy and agreed to cooperate with the Justice Department. On the witness stand, Mr. Bertino described how the Proud Boys grew increasingly desperate following the 2020 election and plotted “all-out revolution” to prevent the transfer of power.

“Time was running out to save the country,” Mr. Bertino said. “We were desperate at that point for anything else that could change the outcome of the election.”

Last week, in the Justice Department’s final words to the jury, prosecutor Nadia Moore outlined what she called the “devastating evidence of the defendants’ guilt.”

“Voting and protesting didn’t get these defendants what they wanted,” she said. “So they decided they would ignore the will of the people. They would influence the government with threats and violence. They saw a second Civil War coming, and they wanted to be on the front lines.”

Through weeks of trial proceedings, federal prosecutors presented jurors with messages and other evidence of an alleged scheme to keep Mr. Trump in office. After weeks of planning, with references to revolution and 1776, the Proud Boys effectively weaponized the pro-Trump mob that stormed the Capitol, prosecutors said.

Defense lawyers for the five Proud Boys rejected the notion that they hatched a conspiracy to prevent the certification of President Biden’s victory, arguing that federal prosecutors were overblowing the group’s blustery rhetoric.

Mr. Hassan, Mr. Tarrio’s lawyer, placed blame for the Capitol assault on Mr. Trump during his closing argument last week.

“It was Donald Trump’s words,” Mr. Hassan told jurors. ”It was his motivation. It was his anger that caused what occurred on January 6th in your amazing and beautiful city.”

Of the five defendants, only Messrs. Rehl and Pezzola took the stand to testify in their own defense—a risky gambit that made for a climactic end to the trial as they faced cross-examination from federal prosecutors.

Mr. Rehl testified that the Proud Boys had “no objective” on Jan. 6, 2021, saying its members “were just going to march around the city, because that’s all we ever do.”

During the cross-examination, a federal prosecutor presented video footage that appeared to show Mr. Rehl using pepper spray against police officers defending the Capitol. Mr. Rehl testified that he couldn’t recall whether he used pepper spray against officers, and his defense lawyer argued that federal prosecutors hadn’t presented convincing proof.

Mr. Rehl’s appearance on the stand was followed by testimony from Mr. Pezzola, a former Marine who wielded a stolen riot shield to break a window into the Capitol and was among the first in the pro-Trump mob to enter the building that day. In his testimony, Mr. Rehl distanced himself from Mr. Pezzola, casting him as a rogue actor.

“He went off on his own, I guess, and made us all look bad,” Mr. Rehl said.

Mr. Pezzola said the Jan. 6 mob wasn’t an “invading force” but rather “trespassing protesters.” He insisted that he acted alone, not as part of a conspiracy with the four other Proud Boys standing trial alongside him.
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There's your huge "insurrection".

Underwhelming isn't it?

Hardly worth the time...energy...and taxpayer money frothing at the mouth like rabid dogs.

Especially when its factored in that the FBI was there propping up the whole shebang the entire time.

Another TDS tirade the nation had to endure with the same letdown.
RayR Offline
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"Seditious conspiracy" These legal weasels have quite a verbal imagination to mind fudge the jury with, like painting pictures in their dull brains of these Proud Boys as if they were armed to the teeth conspiring to overthrow the state.

Now if they were armed leftist goons robbing, terrorizing, and burning the place down, they would just be called "peaceful protesting".
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Does anyone not think there was a "Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol riot?"
Rupert Murdoch's paper sure does.
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I guess BEING A F#CKIN' RAT P.O.S. INFORMANT didn't work for
Enrique Tarrio ...the FBI recruited him, they paid him RAT INFORMANT CASH for bogus information that he fed them...
So the FBI double crossed Eeeeeeemmmm' and turn coated their immunity from conviction of crimes...never ever trust the FBI ...
THEY ARE THE BIGGEST CRIMINAL ORGANIZATION ON THE ENTIRE GLOBE.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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rfenst wrote:
Does anyone not think there was a "Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol riot?"
Rupert Murdoch's paper sure does.



Sure, run with that. Seems to be working for you.
rfenst Offline
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Mr. Jones wrote:
I guess BEING A F#CKIN' RAT P.O.S. INFORMANT didn't work for
Enrique Tarrio ...the FBI recruited him, they paid him RAT INFORMANT CASH for bogus information that he fed them...
So the FBI double crossed Eeeeeeemmmm' and turn coated their immunity from conviction of crimes
...never ever trust the FBI ...
THEY ARE THE BIGGEST CRIMINAL ORGANIZATION ON THE ENTIRE GLOBE.

I don't think there is such thing as immunity for future crimes.
HockeyDad Offline
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rfenst wrote:
Does anyone not think there was a "Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol riot?"
Rupert Murdoch's paper sure does.



Yes there was a Jan 6 Capitol riot. (Mostly peaceful protest)

The correct term is “insurrection”. This was on par with the attack on Pearl Harbor and 9/11. Stick to the narrative.
rfenst Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
Yes there was a Jan 6 Capitol riot. (Mostly peaceful protest)

The correct term is “insurrection”. This was on par with the attack on Pearl Harbor and 9/11. Stick to the narrative.

No.
RayR Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
Yes there was a Jan 6 Capitol riot. (Mostly peaceful protest)

The correct term is “insurrection”. This was on par with the attack on Pearl Harbor and 9/11. Stick to the narrative.


I've also heard LEFTIES say that Jan. 6th parallels the act of the Southern states peacefully seceding from the Union, which they say while parroting Lefty Legal Weasel Lincoln was a rebellion and insurrection.

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I heard Lincoln was a Democrat... Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
I heard Lincoln was a Democrat... Mellow

That guy didn’t even pull 40% of the votes…Think
RayR Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
I heard Lincoln was a Democrat... Mellow


Well..you heard wrong. Shame on you Laugh

In the 19th Century, the Republican Party was the favorite of the radical left.

Quote:
In 1848, what was to become one of the world’s most influential political documents, the “Manifesto of the Communist Party” by Marx and Frederich Engels, was published in London. Four years later, Horace Greeley, the publisher of the “New York Daily Tribune,” a paper with definitely socialist views on many issues of that day, hired Marx as its London correspondent. For the next ten years, Marx wrote some five hundred articles for Greeley on events in Europe, as well as injecting his own radical political and social views, many of which appeared on the paper’s front page. With a daily circulation of over two hundred thousand readers, as well as being the virtual house organ of the new Republican Party, Marx’s views had a wide and important audience in the North . . . one of whom being Abraham Lincoln.

At that time, while the socialist movement had been sweeping through much of Europe since the end of the Eighteenth Century, most of its concepts had very little impact in the United States. However, the influx of radical socialists from Germany in the decade prior to the War of Secession had a strong effect on political thinking in America, particularly in the North.

Many of the former German revolutionaries were followers of Marxist communism and became avid supporters of the Republican Party. While the members of the Communist League in America were active in Lincoln’s 1860 election, those who remained in Europe worked to prevent recognition of the Confederacy by Great Britain and France. After the start of the war, as many as two hundred thousand German immigrants joined the Union Army, with some of the communist leaders rising to high rank, such as Joseph Weydemeyer who was appointed colonel of a Missouri regiment and August Willich who was brevetted a major general.

Excerpt from Lincoln and Marx

https://www.abbevilleinstitute.org/lincoln-and-marx/
HockeyDad Offline
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rfenst wrote:
No.


Can you have a conviction for seditious conspiracy for just a riot or would you need an insurrection?

Seditious conspiracy is a crime in various jurisdictions of conspiring against the authority or legitimacy of the state. As a form of sedition, it has been described as a serious but lesser counterpart to treason, targeting activities that undermine the state without directly attacking it.

I still want a January 6 national holiday.
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rfenst wrote:
No.



What's this rebelspeak???

https://youtu.be/77ORCHTsP9U
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One of the Jan. 6th rioters I met 2-3 days before he attempted suicide on the interstate that killed one woman and injured others.. we had an verbal altercation in our local bar one night, the Mrs. and I and friends were playing pool listening to the Jukebox and trying to mind our own business when this douche bag and a friend of his came into the bar and from start to finish started bragging about him being convicted of the Jan 6th riots and how we/more American's should stand up for their rights etc.. broken record BS that was interrupting our Music and fun, SO I impolitely told him to shut the fugg up! he did for a little bit, but his buddy started making comments we could here, So I said, ya know, if ya'll got an issue we can discuss it out back in the beer garden because the sign says absolutely no fighting inside the bar. they left... then a few days latter the bartender points out this same **** went on a suicide mission on the interstate that killed someone.. what a waist of life...

https://tinyurl.com/ys7vv484
RayR Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
What's this rebelspeak???

https://youtu.be/77ORCHTsP9U


Was that the word salad lady who was inciting violence and rebellion during the Summer of Love? Think
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I think we all can agree, the most horrific seditious riots are those that are guided by police where please and thank you’s are exchanged. Made even worse when those brave undercover provocateurs can’t even get credit for all the good they did that day. We as the law biding citizenry deserve to have them held up and awarded so that we can show our appreciation for their actions.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I think we all can agree, the most horrific seditious riots are those that are guided by police where please and thank you’s are exchanged. Made even worse when those brave undercover provocateurs can’t even get credit for all the good they did that day. We as the law biding citizenry deserve to have them held up and awarded so that we can show our appreciation for their actions.


Yea it was during the Obama Admin. that a crazy woman crashed her vehicle into a barrier outside the WH and the Officers SMOKED HER ARSS without hesitation!!!

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DrMaddVibe wrote:
What's this rebelspeak???

https://youtu.be/77ORCHTsP9U


Seriously, she's putting this on the same level as the attack on Peal Harbor and Sept 11th? It's not even in the same universe.

Our current administration is a disgrace.
RayR Offline
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LEFTIES live in an alternate universe where reality is whatever they imagine it is. That's the TRUTH! ㋛
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DrafterX wrote:
I heard Lincoln was a Democrat... Mellow

Cars don't have political parties.

Unless they are EV's....
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I am still amazed these guys pulled off a real actual insurrection and yet not one of them had a gun... Not even a single-shot muskett.
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Stogie1020 wrote:
I am still amazed these guys puylled off a real actual insurrection and yet not one of them had a gun... Not even a single-shot muskett.




"Inside job"

Just sayin'
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Stogie1020 wrote:
I am still amazed these guys pulled off a real actual insurrection and yet not one of them had a gun... Not even a single-shot muskett.


They were led by a bold Viking.
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Stogie1020 wrote:
I am still amazed these guys pulled off a real actual insurrection and yet not one of them had a gun... Not even a single-shot muskett.


Uh oh...


insurrection - ĭn″sə-rĕk′shən

noun

The act or an instance of open revolt against civil authority or a constituted government.

A rising up; uprising.

The act of rising against civil authority or governmental restraint; specifically, the armed resistance of a number of persons to the power of the state; incipient or limited rebellion.

rfenst Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
Can you have a conviction for seditious conspiracy for just a riot or would you need an insurrection?

Seditious conspiracy is a crime in various jurisdictions of conspiring against the authority or legitimacy of the state. As a form of sedition, it has been described as a serious but lesser counterpart to treason, targeting activities that undermine the state without directly attacking it.

I still want a January 6 national holiday.

Yes- to your question.

Remember that this was a conspiracy charge. Proof of completion of the conspired act is not . Only requires proof of intent and action(s) in furtherance thereof.
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Federal Statute §2384. Seditious conspiracy

If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.[/color]



(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808 ; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, §1, 70 Stat. 623 ; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, §330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148 .)

Historical and Revision Notes
Based on title 18, U.S.C., 1940 ed., §6 (Mar. 4, 1909, ch. 321, §6, 35 Stat. 1089 ).

Amendments
1994-Pub. L. 103–322 substituted "fined under this title" for "fined not more than $20,000".

1956-Act July 24, 1956, substituted "$20,000" for "$5,000", and "twenty years" for "six years".

Effective Date of 1956 Amendment
Section 3 of act July 24, 1956, provided that: "The foregoing amendments [amending this section and section 2385 of this title] shall apply only with respect to offenses committed on and after the date of the enactment of this Act [July 24, 1956]."

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Name the brave heroes that insurrected the upheaval of the government. Those guys that gave speeches were dangerous talking n stuff…..definitely should be executed

Their words hit delicate ears like torpedoes from Japanese Zeros. And they wore outfits that were scarier than an IED.

Poor AOC almost died from three buildings away, this was real serious guys.
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rfenst wrote:
Yes- to your question.

Remember that this was a conspiracy charge. Proof of completion of the conspired act is not . Only requires proof of intent and action(s) in furtherance thereof.


It is an interesting Civil War era law that has been rarely used. Last time was the blind sheikh who orchestrated the bombing of the World Trade Center.

This could be a useful new tool in jailing the opposition or maybe there was a conspiracy and not just mean words.
RayR Offline
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I heard if you want to place a charge of Seditious conspiracy on some peeps, one excuse is as good as another.
I think that's how it works in authoritarian places.
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I think it’s obvious they caused as much damage as the Blind Shiek.
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HockeyDad wrote:
It is an interesting Civil War era law that has been rarely used. Last time was the blind sheikh who orchestrated the bombing of the World Trade Center.

This could be a useful new tool in jailing the opposition or maybe there was a conspiracy and not just mean words.


I heard Dicktator Lincoln unilaterally suspended the right of habeas corpus and had thousands of civilians arrested and imprisoned, to silence them under his military tyranny for being traitors and conspirators who criticized his unconstitutional dicktates.
Lincoln even issued a presidential arrest warrant for Chief Justice Roger B. Taney after his Merryman decision which correctly required as set forth in the Constitution, that only the Congress could take away the right of habeas corpus. Lincoln ignored the Supreme Court's ruling, and Taney sent copies of his opinion to other judges, urging them to issue writs of habeas corpus, which many did, even enforcing writs against military arrests of civilians.

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