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Why DeSantis Has to Run
rfenst Offline
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Opinion NYT
The resurgence of Donald Trump in the 2024 primary polls, the unsurprising evidence that his supporters will stand by him through a prosecution, and the tentativeness of Ron DeSantis’s pre-campaign have combined to create a buzz that maybe DeSantis shouldn’t run at all. It’s been whispered by nervous donors, shouted by Trump’s supporters and lately raised by pundits of the left and right.

Thus the liberal Bill Scher, writing in The Washington Monthly, argues that Trump looks too strong, that there isn’t a clear-enough constituency for DeSantis’s promise of Trumpism without the florid drama, and that if DeSantis runs and fails, he’s more likely to end up “viciously humiliated,” like Trump’s 2016 rivals, than to set himself up as the next in line for 2028.

Then from the right, writing for The Spectator, Daniel McCarthy channels Niccolò Machiavelli to argue that while DeSantis probably will run, he would be wiser to choose a more dogged, long-term path instead — emphasizing “virtu” rather than chasing Fortune, to use Machiavelli’s language. In 2024 Trump might poison the prospects of any G.O.P. candidate who beats him, while Joe Biden could be a relatively potent incumbent. But if the Florida governor continues to build a record of conservative accomplishment in his home state, “2028 would offer a well-prepared DeSantis a clear shot.”

I think they’re both wrong, and that if DeSantis has presidential ambitions he simply has to run right now, notwithstanding all of the obstacles that they identify. My reasoning depends both on the “Fortune” that McCarthy invokes and on an argument that Scher’s piece nods to while rejecting: the idea that presidential candidates are more likely to miss their moment — as Chris Christie did when he passed on running in 2012, as Mario Cuomo did for his entire career — than they are to run too early and suffer a career-ending rebuke.

It’s true that fortune doesn’t always favor the bold. (As McCarthy notes, that phrase originates in Virgil’s “Aeneid,” where it’s uttered by an Italian warlord just before he gets killed.) But the key to the don’t-miss-your-moment argument is that when it comes to something as difficult as gaining the presidency, mostly fortune doesn’t favor anybody. Every would-be president, no matter their virtues as a politician, is inevitably a hostage to events, depending on unusual synchronicities to open a path to the White House.

A great many successful political careers never have that path open at all. A minority have it open in the narrowest way, where you can imagine threading needles and rolling lucky sixes all the way to the White House. Only a tiny number are confronted with a situation where they seem to have a strong chance, not just a long-shot possibility, before they even announce their candidacy.

That’s where DeSantis sits right now. The political betting site PredictIt places his odds of being president in 2024, expressed as a share price, at 23 cents, slightly below Trump and well below Biden, but far above everybody else. Those odds, representing a roughly 20 percent chance at the White House, sound about right to me. If you look at national polls since Trump’s indictment, DeSantis’s support has dipped only slightly; if you look at polls of early primary states he’s clearly within striking distance, Trump has a floor of support but also a lot of voters who aren’t eager to rally to him (his indictment may have solidified support, but it didn’t make his numbers soar) and DeSantis has not yet even begun to campaign. He’s in a much better position than any of Trump’s rivals ever were in 2016, and you could argue that he starts out closer to the nomination than any Republican candidate did in 2008 or 2012.

Not to run now is to throw this proximity away, in the hopes of starting out even closer four years hence. But DeSantis’s current position is itself a creation of unusual political good fortune. Yes, he’s been skillful, but that skill wouldn’t have gotten him here without events beyond anyone’s control — the Covid-19 pandemic, the woke revolution in liberal institutions, the split between Mike Pence and Trump after Jan. 6, the strength of the Florida economy, and more.

It’s obviously possible to imagine a future where fortune continues to favor DeSantis and he goes into 2028 as the prohibitive favorite. But time and chance are cruel, and there are many more paths where events conspire against him, and he wakes up in 2027 staring at PredictIt odds of 5 percent instead.

If he were at 5 percent odds right now — if Trump were leading him 75-20 in New Hampshire and Iowa rather than roughly 40-30, or if Biden’s approval ratings stood at 70 percent instead of 43 percent — I would buy the argument for waiting.

But DeSantis today is a man already graced by Fortune. And even if the goddess doesn’t always favor boldness, she takes a stern view of those to whom favor is extended who then refuse the gift.
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Loved this post - it's intelligent, level, and interesting... on a subject matter that, by it's very nature, gets beaten to death. Don't know if I'm genuinely looking forward to the 2024 race or wanting to avoid it for the ad infinitum chaos, chatter and volatility that comes with it. Regardless, great post!
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I really hope he doesn't!

The state needs him here.

He could do the "Obama" and take Rick Scott's seat and then run for POTUS.

THAT would be the smart play. Let them show their hands while Lefty thinks he's running. Don't get caught in the Trump train and sit back and laugh at it all.

He said while he was campaigning for his 2nd term as gov. that he wouldn't run. I can't imagine much changing except he's making bank.
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MrShelby wrote:
Loved this post - it's intelligent, level, and interesting... on a subject matter that, by it's very nature, gets beaten to death. Don't know if I'm genuinely looking forward to the 2024 race or wanting to avoid it for the ad infinitum chaos, chatter and volatility that comes with it. Regardless, great post!


Oh STFU...its a New York Times OP article. That rag has more blood on its hands than Chairman Mao!
MACS Offline
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Also could be titled... "Why the republicans need to forfeit the election by splitting their votes between 2 people that would crush Biden, otherwise".
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
I really hope he doesn't!

The state needs him here.

He could do the "Obama" and take Rick Scott's seat and then run for POTUS.

THAT would be the smart play. Let them show their hands while Lefty thinks he's running. Don't get caught in the Trump train and sit back and laugh at it all.

He said while he was campaigning for his 2nd term as gov. that he wouldn't run. I can't imagine much changing except he's making bank.
. I agree that taking Rick Scott's job would be best for Desantis eventual run for presidency.
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Oh STFU...its a New York Times OP article. That rag has more blood on its hands than Chairman Mao!

Maybe reading opposing views you don't agree with would enlighten you and make your arguments stronger?
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rfenst wrote:
Maybe reading opposing views you don't agree with would enlighten you and make your arguments stronger?


Maybe if a frog had wings it wouldn't bump its ass when it hopped.
MACS Offline
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rfenst wrote:
Maybe reading opposing views you don't agree with would enlighten you and make your arguments stronger?


Today's "opposing views" come straight from folks who believe there are more than 2 genders, men can get pregnant and menstruate, children should be able to "transition" to another gender before they can vote or buy alcohol, and that America was founded on racism.

I'm sorry, Robert. I've had it up to my scalp with the ridiculous garbage that's been tolerated for far too long. The NYT and WAPO do nothing but perpetuate it. Reading anything from them makes my blood boil, and not because I disagree with it, but because I can see what they're trying to do to the country and communities I spent 33 years of my life trying to protect from it.

No. It's time rational people pushed back.
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MACS wrote:
Today's "opposing views" come straight from folks who believe there are more than 2 genders, men can get pregnant and menstruate, children should be able to "transition" to another gender before they can vote or buy alcohol, and that America was founded on racism.

I'm sorry, Robert. I've had it up to my scalp with the ridiculous garbage that's been tolerated for far too long. The NYT and WAPO do nothing but perpetuate it. Reading anything from them makes my blood boil, and not because I disagree with it, but because I can see what they're trying to do to the country and communities I spent 33 years of my life trying to protect from it.

No. It's time rational people pushed back.

Ever consider they are often just publishing social norms norms or norms in flux, as well as opinion?

Kind of like two different kinds of dictionaries. One kind tells you the exact way words are supposed to be used. The other kind tells you how words are actually presently being used...

I respect that your opinions differ from mine.

And, that is where it should end unless the back and forth bothers either of us.
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rfenst wrote:
Maybe reading opposing views you don't agree with would enlighten you and make your arguments stronger?

No - we tried that with D...
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I agree that DeSantis has to run.

Trump was already thrashed in the last election and is a criminal POS. Meaning that not all republicans would vote for him.

Trouble with DeSantis is he is a gay hater, woman hater, sells and believes crazy shit. Worse, those that love him believe even more crazy shit.
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Brewha wrote:
I agree that DeSantis has to run.

Trump was already thrashed in the last election and is a criminal POS. Meaning that not all republicans would vote for him.

Trouble with DeSantis is he is a gay hater, woman hater, sells and believes crazy shit. Worse, those that love him believe even more crazy shit.


You forgot racist, misogynist, deplorable, and clings to his guns and bibles.
MACS Offline
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Yeah... Biden, the big guy, and his kid aren't POS criminals... it's Trump.

And simply because of a Soros bought DA that is okay letting murderers off the hook, but needed a little fancy work to have Trump indicted on some, ahem... Trumped up BS.

I just shake my head in disbelief at some of the absolute ignoramuses that are allowed to vote. Baffling.
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HockeyDad wrote:
You forgot racist, misogynist, deplorable, and clings to his guns and bibles.

Thank you HD, But I did not want to play Capt. Obvious.

In fairness - I did cover misogyny.
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MACS wrote:


I just shake my head in disbelief at some of the absolute ignoramuses that are allowed to vote. Baffling.


At last we agree!!!
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I think the elephant in the room is, where are they going to find enough knuckle draggers to get Trump the RNC nomination - so he can loose?

Florida?
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Brewha wrote:


Trouble with DeSantis is he is a gay hater, woman hater, sells and believes crazy shit. Worse, those that love him believe even more crazy shit.



Just more proof that hardcore liberals have deep psychological issues.How's the weather in fantasy land Brew?
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Ya Brew, how's dat fantasy land? I hear it's still full of slogans, platitudes, and disinformation.

It has always been a primary strategy of the left to expand the population of absolute ignoramuses who can vote.
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Whistlebritches wrote:
Just more proof that hardcore liberals have deep psychological issues.How's the weather in fantasy land Brew?


Look at the bight side WB, when you done giving Trump a hand job, you can do DeSantis next!
MACS Offline
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Brewha wrote:
I think the elephant in the room is, where are they going to find enough knuckle draggers to get Trump the RNC nomination - so he can loose?

Florida?


At least this knuckle dragger knows the difference between LOSE and loose.
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Any Which Way But Loose is my favorite movie, with a close second the classic hit Shaving Ryan’s Privates.
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MACS wrote:
At least this knuckle dragger knows the difference between LOSE and loose.


Hey! MACs got one right!!

Applause
Brewha Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Any Which Way But Loose is my favorite movie, with a close second the classic hit Shaving Ryan’s Privates.


I would have to compare that to On Golden Blond.

But my favorite is still In Diana Jones....
RayR Offline
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I heard Joey B. has a new ominous slogan for his reelection campaign..."FINISH THE JOB"
And the ignoramuses cheer. ⊙▂⊙
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RayR wrote:
I heard Joey B. has a new ominous slogan for his reelection campaign..."FINISH THE JOB"
And the ignoramuses cheer. ⊙▂⊙


Of what Tanking this Country?? She can't take much more of his BS!!! Brick wall Brick wall
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RayR wrote:
I heard Joey B. has a new ominous slogan for his reelection campaign..."FINISH THE JOB"
And the ignoramuses cheer. ⊙▂⊙

But “Build, Back, Better” was working so well…except nothing positive is built or back and nothing is better unless we’re comparing it to the Great Depression.
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JGKAMIN wrote:
But “Build, Back, Better” was working so well…except nothing positive is built or back and nothing is better unless we’re comparing it to the Great Depression.


Understanding the fact that “Build, Back, Better” is not an original, but a retread of a European socialist commie slogan, then
the result that "nothing positive is built or back and nothing is better" follows.

"FINISH THE JOB" is therefore a threat to continue the failed “Build, Back, Better”.
MACS Offline
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Meh... Biden has been in office for over 2 years and all the left can do is say Orange man bad...

Ask them to tell you ONE good thing Biden has done.

*crickets*
RayR Offline
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Wait for Brewha...

🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗
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Why is Ron DeSantis so determined to keep taking on Disney?


Orlando Sentinel
Gov. Ron DeSantis’ war with Disney has some fellow Republicans questioning why he’s spending so much time battling Florida’s biggest name in its tourism industry.

The yearlong squabble keeps growing as the governor’s presidential poll numbers plummet, and critics say he didn’t react quickly enough to massive flooding and ensuing gasoline shortages in South Florida.

DeSantis may be in too deep to stop, said Gregory Koger, a professor of political science at the University of Miami.

“It’s hard for him to back out,” Koger said. “It’s in his book as something that he’s very proud of doing. And to fail at this, having picked this very public fight would really weaken his brand.”

DeSantis has made his dispute with Disney a core part of his political identity. In his new book, he devoted a chapter to “The Magic Kingdom of Woke Corporatism.”

DeSantis recounted how he got married at Disney World but grew disillusioned with the corporation as it moved “beyond mere virtue signaling to liberal activists.”

Koger said DeSantis is sending a message to all companies in the state.

“One of the things he wanted to demonstrate was that in DeSantis’ Florida, businesses must accept the social agenda of the Republican Party, and if anyone speaks out they will be punished,” Koger said. “... And it’s important to him to actually follow through, and make sure [Disney] actually ends up suffering for their exercise of free speech.”

The image of DeSantis victorious over Disney is also what an independent group supporting him for president is boasting about to GOP voters.

In a new flyer being sent out to important primary states by the pro-DeSantis political committee Never Back Down, according to Axios, a cartoon of DeSantis wearing boxing gloves looms over a white-haired man lying knocked out on the ground. The figure could be considered to represent President Joe Biden before one notices the mouse nose and whiskers wrapped around his face with a string.

‘Florida is being laughed at’
Randy Ross, the Orange County chair of the Donald Trump campaign in 2016 and a Trump supporter again this year, said the Disney feud was taking a toll.

“DeSantis is taking it too far, in an effort to try to illustrate that he can be Superman for Florida,” Ross said. “Florida is being laughed at. You can turn on any program, and it’s one of the top news stories and it’s not necessarily in a good way.”

Increasingly, DeSantis’ potential Republican presidential rivals are criticizing the governor’s actions, saying they are at odds with conservative principles of limited government.

“Sometimes in politics, you just have to admit when you screwed up and you got taken,” former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie said in an interview with Semafor. “It happens. It’s hard to admit it because it happens to you on a public stage. Everybody gets to see your mistake, but if you’re not used to that, then don’t get in this business.”

DeSantis’ feud with Disney started when the entertainment giant opposed the Parental Rights in Education law, known by critics as “don’t say gay.” That legislation limited classroom instruction on sexual orientation and gender identity in public schools.

DeSantis accused Disney of being a “woke corporation.” Disney announced it would halt its political contributions in Florida and pledged to work to get the law overturned.

DeSantis and his Republican allies then escalated the battle by taking aim at the Reedy Creek Improvement District, which had overseen Disney World’s government services since the 1960s.

Vowing to end Disney’s “special privileges,” they passed a law to put the district under state control, and Disney responded by reaching a development agreement meant to undo that law. So now the Legislature is considering a new law to maintain Florida’s power over the district.

During a news conference on Monday, DeSantis talked about how he wanted the state to take over safety inspections for rides and monorails at Disney World, or potentially sell off the company’s utilities.

But then he said he might consider building a state prison near Disney World, a comment that made national headlines and became fodder for cartoonists and comedians.

“I think the intent was to threaten Disney, to make Disney wonder about what range of counter moves and retaliatory actions the governor might have in store for them,” Koger said. “But it just came off as openly retaliatory, [as if] we’re beyond the question of what’s the best public policy for the economy and citizens of the state of Florida.”

Trump said the governor was trying “to save face” after being embarrassed.

“Disney’s next move will be the announcement that no more money will be invested in Florida because of the Governor,” Trump warned on his social media site.

As all this was happening, a Wall Street Journal poll released Friday was just the latest to show DeSantis quickly losing ground to Trump in a prospective 2024 primary battle.

The poll showed DeSantis’ 14-point lead over Trump among likely GOP primary voters in December had nosedived into a 13-point lead for Trump. It comes as many Republicans rally around Trump after his 34-count indictment in New York accusing him of falsifying business records.

Trump lines up endorsements
In the days since DeSantis’ Disney press conference, the dam has also burst on congressional endorsements from Florida Republicans.

Eleven members of Congress joined Trump at Mar-a-Lago in Palm Beach on Thursday night for a gathering of his supporters, including U.S. Rep. Michael Waltz, R-St. Augustine Beach, a seat DeSantis once held.

U.S. Rep. Greg Steube, R-Sarasota, who endorsed Trump, echoed what has become a familiar complaint about DeSantis, telling Politico that the governor has never reached out to talk to him during his five years in Congress. Steube also said DeSantis never called after he badly injured himself falling off a ladder at home in January.

U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio also told Semafor he hasn’t spoken to DeSantis in months. The senator, who said he was not ready to endorse yet, has been vocal on Twitter on how “they still can’t figure out how to get enough gasoline to South Florida” in the wake of last week’s floods, without saying who “they” are.

DeSantis said at his Monday event that his crusade was backed by Floridians because of his landslide reelection in November.

“This is something that the voters understood,” DeSantis said. “We won big. And you know, we did better in Central Florida [than] Republicans [had] done in a long time, including areas that have a lot of employees at Disney, like Osceola County. ... At the end of the day, we made the decision as a state, as a people, through the medium of our elections.”

In a statement, DeSantis spokesman Bryan Griffin said Disney had attempted to “subvert the will of the people of Florida, and Gov. DeSantis will not stand for that.”

“Good and limited government (and, indeed, principled conservatism) reduces special privilege, encourages an even playing field for businesses, and upholds the will of the people,” Griffin said. “Gov. DeSantis is the champion of the people of Florida.”

Ross, the Orange County GOP leader, said DeSantis’ problem is that he isn’t listening to what Florida Republicans actually want.

“He’s got all the gatekeepers, he’s very good at keeping everybody away,” Ross said. “He comes out and makes a statement, and the doors close, and there’s not really an opportunity to question him. But if I had five minutes with him, I would remind him he’s not Trump. And he never will be.”
RayR Offline
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Perhaps if Disney wasn't on the side of those advocating chopping off kids' genitals, transforming them chemically into hermaphrodites, and entertaining woke fantasies, Desantis wouldn't be so hard on them sick basturds?

Let the Libturds and Fake Conservatives WHINE. Desantis should remain as Governor and not run for President as the Presidency may just corrupt him as it has done for many others.

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rfenst wrote:
Why is Ron DeSantis so determined to keep taking on Disney?


Because the California corporation is meddling in Florida politics it doesn't agree with and are quite vocal about the ways they want to continue to do so and go after children.

One doesn't need a whole Op Ed article to determine that.

I'm bewildered why you continue to carry water for them. It's not a good look.
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RayR wrote:
Perhaps if Disney wasn't on the side of those advocating chopping off kids' genitals, transforming them chemically into hermaphrodites, and entertaining woke fantasies, Desantis wouldn't be so hard on them sick basturds?

Let the Libturds and Fake Conservatives WHINE. Desantis should remain as Governor and not run for President as the Presidency may just corrupt him as it has done for many others.


yeah, it's believable that Disney or anyone is excited about the idea of chopping off kids genitals and whatever else you find titillating.

I told ya last year you were starting to leak. Now your oozing...


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The MAGA Right always needs shared fear/hated of some group to bring them together.

So now LGBTQ are bad because,….because,………….They are after our children!
Yeah - that’s the ticket.




“That’s right you True Americans - Disney is destroying your children!
And your little dog too!”
RayR Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
yeah, it's believable that Disney or anyone is excited about the idea of chopping off kids genitals and whatever else you find titillating.

I told ya last year you were starting to leak. Now your oozing...




You are just a denier Frank, like Brewha, a denier of reality, of what is real. It's leaking and oozing all over the place.
BTW...are they still trannying kids at Boston Childrens Hospital, at taxpayers' expense no less? I remember you weren't outraged, or even concerned as if it wasn't real.

rfenst Offline
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It's a private property ownership right issue, people.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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rfenst wrote:
It's a private property ownership right issue, people.



Um...no it is not. Just like you wanted to claim the bill said "Don't Say Gay", you're wrong on this as well.

You didn't answer the question I posed either.
RayR Offline
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They are MAD! They, Them, Zer are MAD that they won't be able to groom the children. So they are picking up their prosthetic genital toys and are going home.

LGBTQ Organization Cancels Florida Pride Parade Over Bill Banning Children From Lewd Adult Performances

By Cassandra MacDonald Apr. 23, 2023 3:00 pm

Quote:
The organization was concerned that Florida Governor Ron DeSantis could sign Senate Bill 1438 into law before the event took place.

If the bill was signed into law before the event took place, and it was for all ages, the venue risked losing its liquor license and the organization could have lost its non-profit status. Anyone doing a lewd performance in drag in front of children would have been at risk of fines or jail time.

The legislation, which DeSantis is expected to sign, does not specifically state that drag performances in front of minors is banned, but defines “adult live performances” as “any show, exhibition, or other presentation in front of a live audience which, in whole or in part, depicts or simulates nudity, sexual conduct, sexual excitement, or specific sexual activities … lewd conduct, or the lewd exposure of prosthetic or imitation genitals or breasts.”

The cancelled parade was scheduled to be part of PrideFest.

Other events that were part of the festival were changed from all ages to 21 plus.

More...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/04/lgbtq-organization-cancels-florida-pride-parade-over-bill-banning-children-from-lewd-adult-performances/
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RayR wrote:
You are just a denier Frank, like Brewha, a denier of reality, of what is real. It's leaking and oozing all over the place.
BTW...are they still trannying kids at Boston Childrens Hospital, at taxpayers' expense no less? I remember you weren't outraged, or even concerned as if it wasn't real.


never happened, as arousing as it is for you to fantasize about, Childrens' Hospital is not chopping off kids' genitals, even if a special request comes in from Disney...simply another insane wingnut fable...and they still haven't found a basement under that Pizza Parlor either.

But fantasizing can be healthy, but not like this ray. Serious concerns over this obsession of yours.

RayR Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
never happened, as arousing as it is for you to fantasize about, Childrens' Hospital is not chopping off kids' genitals, even if a special request comes in from Disney...simply another insane wingnut fable...and they still haven't found a basement under that Pizza Parlor either.

But fantasizing can be healthy, but not like this ray. Serious concerns over this obsession of yours.




Believe me, Frank. I don't fantasize about you.
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RayR wrote:
Believe me, Frank. I don't fantasize about you.

ray, I kid around a lot, but I mean this from my heart...

fantasizing about me would be healthier than this sick obsession you have of images of children with mutilated genitals, and then climaxing imagining with absolutely no basis in reality that it is being done by people who simply don't share your politics.

you make Pillow Biter Guy look like the picture of mental health.

so, yah, some levity, but believe me when I tell you to get help.

Hey, wasn't I worried enough to check in on you when you vanished for a while? I mean it ray. Your thoughts are sick. I am concerned.

Boston Children's Hospital and Disney and pizza parlors are not cutting off children's genitalia, even if they are liberals.

And no one, I repeat NO ONE on Earth has any serpent DNA, again, even if they are liberal.

I can't be the only person who has cared enough to urge you to get help.
RayR Offline
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So now you are a gender-affirming surgery denier?
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get help.
ASAP.
RayR Offline
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It's a THING, Frank! It's a THING! Stop Denying it. Join DENIERS ANONYMOUS

https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/feminizing-surgery/about/pac-20385102
frankj1 Offline
#46 Posted:
Joined: 02-08-2007
Posts: 44,221
oh, it's a thing for sure...been happening for decades. You may recall a pretty good tennis player named Rene Richards from a while ago...actually, mediocre men's pro but pretty good women's pro! HA!

I'm wondering if you read the article from the Mayo Clinic as it explains in great depth every element that goes into why some may (or may not) seek out this surgery, the procedures themselves, the physical and mental and emotional reactions as well. And it stresses several times to discuss this with various professionals at each step in the process whether to go forward or seek non surgical solutions...

and most importantly, nowhere in any sentence of this article does it mention nor encourage this for children.
There is no recruiting nor "grooming" in your link, nor from any source be it Disney or the Democratic Party or Children's Hospital.

That is your issue, yours and the dangerous sources in which you find comfort.

Get help. I am being sincere.
rfenst Offline
#47 Posted:
Joined: 06-23-2007
Posts: 39,330
What are the 7 stages of sexual grooming?


1) Identifying and targeting the victim.
2) Gaining trust and access.
3) Playing a role in the child's life.
4) Isolating the child.
5) Creating secrecy around the relationship.
6) Initiating sexual contact.
7) Controlling the relationship.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#48 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,440
rfenst wrote:
What are the 7 stages of sexual grooming?


1) Identifying and targeting the victim.
2) Gaining trust and access.
3) Playing a role in the child's life.
4) Isolating the child.
5) Creating secrecy around the relationship.
6) Initiating sexual contact.
7) Controlling the relationship.



https://www.cigarbid.com...is-vs-Disney#post4660837
frankj1 Offline
#49 Posted:
Joined: 02-08-2007
Posts: 44,221
rfenst wrote:
What are the 7 stages of sexual grooming?


1) Identifying and targeting the victim.
2) Gaining trust and access.
3) Playing a role in the child's life.
4) Isolating the child.
5) Creating secrecy around the relationship.
6) Initiating sexual contact.
7) Controlling the relationship.



in response to Hungary passing laws (similar to DiSantis' agenda) the leader of Luxembourg said:

BRUSSELS (AP) — The gay prime minister of Luxembourg used the dais of the European Union’s parliament Wednesday to stand up for LGBTQ rights in the 27-nation bloc and to chastise member state Hungary, which wants to curtail discussions of homosexuality in schools and the media.

“If there’s anyone in this house who thinks that you’ve become a homosexual by watching the television or listening to a song, then you’ve not understood anything,” Prime Minister Xavier Bettel told legislators at the European Parliament’s plenary session in Strasbourg, France. “The most difficult (thing) for a homosexual is to accept themselves.”
RayR Offline
#50 Posted:
Joined: 07-20-2020
Posts: 8,892
frankj1 wrote:
oh, it's a thing for sure...been happening for decades. You may recall a pretty good tennis player named Rene Richards from a while ago...actually, mediocre men's pro but pretty good women's pro! HA!

I'm wondering if you read the article from the Mayo Clinic as it explains in great depth every element that goes into why some may (or may not) seek out this surgery, the procedures themselves, the physical and mental and emotional reactions as well. And it stresses several times to discuss this with various professionals at each step in the process whether to go forward or seek non surgical solutions...

and most importantly, nowhere in any sentence of this article does it mention nor encourage this for children.
There is no recruiting nor "grooming" in your link, nor from any source be it Disney or the Democratic Party or Children's Hospital.

That is your issue, yours and the dangerous sources in which you find comfort.

Get help. I am being sincere.


If you were smart, what goes unsaid is what should set off alarm bells.
Of course, you would deny that encouraging children for Trans grooming doesn't exist, and never existed. Pathetic!

Since you are not the least bit outraged at the modern-day Dr. Mengele's performing genital mutilation, that raises a question since you are Jewish. Outside of male circumcision, I thought any form of genital mutilation, including chopping off dix, female circumcision, etc.. is considered bodily mutilation and forbidden under Jewish law.
Or are you from some long-lost WOKE tribe where those laws don't apply? Think



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