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President Desantis and the Florida Legislature Exemplify the Problem with One Party Rule
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Florida bills would ban gender studies, limit trans pronouns, erode tenure

A raft of laws proposed by the legislature’s GOP majority would transform how Florida educates children


WAPO
Florida legislators have proposed a spate of new laws that would reshape K-12 and higher education in the state, from requiring teachers to use pronouns matching children’s sex as assigned at birth to establishing a universal school choice voucher program.

The half-dozen bills, filed by a cast of GOP state representatives and senators, come shortly before the launch of Florida’s legislative session Tuesday. Other proposals in the mix include eliminating college majors in gender studies, nixing diversity efforts at universities and job protections for tenured faculty, strengthening parents’ ability to veto K-12 class materials and extending a ban on teaching about gender and sexuality — from third grade up to eighth grade.

The legislation has already drawn protest from Democratic politicians, education associations, free speech groups and LGBTQ advocates, who say the bills will restrict educators’ ability to instruct children honestly, harm transgender and nonbinary students and strip funding from public schools.

“It really is further and further isolating LGBTQ students,” said Sarah Warbelow, legal director for LGBTQ advocacy group Human Rights Campaign. “It’s making it hard for them to receive the full support that schools should be giving every child.”

Irene Mulvey, president of the American Association of University Professors, warned that the legislation — especially the bill that would prevent students from majoring in certain topics — threatens to undermine academic freedom.

“The state telling you what you can and cannot learn, that is inconsistent with democracy,” Mulvey said. “It silences debate, stifles ideas and limits the autonomy of educational institutions which … made American higher education the envy of the world.”

Sen. Clay Yarborough (R), who introduced one of the 2023 education bills — Senate Bill 1320, which forbids requiring school staff and students to use “pronouns that do not correspond with [a] person’s sex” and delays education on sexual orientation and gender identity until after eighth grade — said in a statement that his law would enshrine the “God-given” responsibility of parents to raise their children.

“The decision about when and if certain topics should be introduced to young children belongs to parents,” Yarborough said in the statement. “The bill also protects students and teachers from being forced to use language that would violate their personal convictions.”

The proposed laws have a high likelihood of passing in the State House, where GOP legislators make up a supermajority. Even before Gov. Ron DeSantis’s (R) landslide victory in November, very few Republicans pushed back against his policy proposals, instead crafting and passing bills that align with the governor’s mission to remake education in Florida from kindergarten through college.

This year’s crop of proposed education bills accelerates those efforts, expanding on controversial ideas from the past two years and adding a few more. Tina Descovich, co-founder of the conservative group Moms for Liberty and a Florida resident, said her group backs the DeSantis education agenda “100 percent” — and that she thinks his policies are catching on outside the state.

“You see governors picking up education as a top issue, and you even see presidential candidates now putting education as a top issue,” she said. “I think Gov. DeSantis has set the path for that.

Students at New College of Florida stage a walkout to protest far-reaching legislation that would ban gender studies majors and diversity programs at Florida universities. (Octavio Jones/Reuters)
Rick Hess, director of education policy studies for the right-leaning American Enterprise Institute, predicted the education laws will play well with voters both in Florida and nationwide, boosting DeSantis’s chances at the 2024 Republican presidential nomination.

“The direction of this policy is sensible policy,” Hess said, referring especially to laws limiting young children’s learning on sex and gender. “It is both attractive to the DeSantis base but also has been shown to poll quite well with the center right, the center and even with parts of the center left.”

A May 2022 Fox News poll found that 55 percent of parents favor state laws that bar teachers from discussing sexual orientation and gender identity with students before fourth grade. An October 2022 University of Southern California survey, meanwhile, found a partisan split: More than 80 percent of Democrats said high school students should learn about sexual orientation and gender identity, compared to roughly a third of Republicans. Just 7 percent of adults in both political camps supported assigning reading that depicts sex between people of the same sex to elementary-schoolers, per the survey.

The bills in Florida come as at least 25 states have passed 64 laws in the last three academic years reshaping what children can learn and do at school, according to a Washington Post tally. Many of these laws circumscribe education on race, gender and sexual identity, boost parental oversight of school libraries and curriculums or restrict the rights of transgender children in classrooms and on the playing field.

Florida already passed several such laws, including the “Stop W.O.K.E. Act,” which prohibits certain ways of teaching about race. (A judge blocked some aspects of the law in November.) Another is the “Parental Rights in Education” law, dubbed “don’t say gay” by critics, which forbids teaching about gender identity and sexual orientation during grades K-3 and requires that education on those subjects be age-appropriate in older grades.

One of the bills put forward in the 2023 legislative session builds directly on the parental rights law: House Bill 1223 would expand the ban on gender and sexuality education to extend through eighth grade. That bill also says school staffers, contractors and students cannot be required to use pronouns that do not match the sex a person was assigned at birth.

“It shall be the policy of every public K-12 educational institution,” the bill states, “that a person’s sex is an immtable biological trait and that it is false to ascribe to a person a pronoun that does not correspond to such person’s sex.

Jon Harris Maurer, public policy director for LGBTQ rights group Equality Florida, said the bill will compound damage already wrought by the “Parental Rights in Education” act.

“That resulted in book banning, eroding supportive guidelines and led teachers to leave the profession,” Maurer said. “This doubles down.”

House Rep. Adam Anderson (R-District 57), who sponsored the bill, did not respond to a request for comment.

Florida legislators have introduced two other pieces of similar legislation: the near-identical Senate bill filed by Yarborough and House Bill 1069, brought by Rep. Stan McClain (R-District 27). The latter bill requires that students in grades 6-12 be taught that “sex is determined by biology and reproductive function at birth.” It also grants parents greater power to read over and object to school instructional materials, as well as limit their child’s ability to explore the school library.

McClain did respond to a request for comment.

Another bill on the table is House Bill 999, targeted to higher education and introduced by Rep. Alex Andrade (R-District 2), who did not respond to a request for comment. The bill outlaws spending on diversity, equity and inclusion programs, says a professor’s tenure can come under review at any time and gives boards of trustees — typically appointed by the governor or Board of Governors — control of faculty hiring and curriculum review.

It also eliminates college majors and minors in “Critical Race Theory, Gender Studies, or Intersectionality.” It says colleges should offer general education courses that “promote the philosophical underpinnings of Western civilization and include studies of this nation’s historical documents” including the Constitution and the Federalist Papers.

The bill has a companion in the Senate, proposed by Sen. Erin Grall (R), who did not respond to a request for comment. Andrade previously told the Tampa Bay Times that his bill would ensure that institutions of higher education remain focused on legitimate fields of inquiry rather than disciplines “not based in fact.”

“It’s a complete takeover of higher education,” said Kenneth Nunn, who stepped down earlier this year from his role as professor of law at the University of Florida — in part because of the politics in the state. The “attacks” on higher education “reduce the reputation and perhaps the accreditation of the state institutions,” Nunn said.

Organizations focused on civil liberties are also objecting. PEN America, which advocates for free speech, said the bill would impose “perhaps the most draconian and censorious restrictions on public colleges and universities in the country.” The Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression said the bill is “laden with unconstitutional provisions hostile to freedom of expression and academic freedom.”

Adam Kissel, a visiting fellow for higher education reform at the Heritage Foundation, said there are a few easily fixed constitutional problems with the wording but praised the bill for holding “universities accountable in a few ways to the will of the people.” He added that post-tenure review is important because someone who earns that laurel at 28 may “become a dead weight” 30 years later. He said an ideological review would be inappropriate, but that if a professor has turned from intellectual pursuits to activism and is no longer producing scholarship, then that faculty member — regardless of viewpoint — merits scrutiny.

Andrade’s bill mirrors steps already taken by the DeSantis administration. In early January, the governor’s budget office mandated that all universities report the amount of money they are expending on diversity, equity and inclusion programs. Later that month, DeSantis announced a slate of reforms to higher education, including prohibitions on diversity, equity and inclusion initiatives.

A sixth education-related bill, House Bill 1, introduced by Reps. Kaylee Tuck (R-District 83) and Susan Plasencia (R-District 37), renders all parents eligible to receive state funds to send their children to private school, stripping away a previous low-income requirement, although low-income families would still be prioritized. It comes as the school choice movement is surging nationally, with Republican-led states passing laws that grant state funds to parents who can spend the money on religious and private schools. Tuck and Plasencia did not respond to requests for comment.

Pat Barber, president of the Manatee Education Association, said this bill is the one that hurts most.

“We’re not very well funded in public education in Florida to start with,” she said. “And their answer to that is to funnel money away from public education?”

The laws are moving through committee as DeSantis continues an ongoing feud with the College Board over a new AP African American studies course, which Florida has rejected as being too “woke.” DeSantis recently said the legislature “is going to look to reevaluate” whether the state should offer any AP courses at all, or the SAT exam.

Battles over state education have also spilled into other arenas. A dispute over the Parental Rights bill lasts year ended with DeSantis pushing for a state takeover of a half-century-old special taxing district for Walt Disney World. DeSantis began excoriating Disney after the company’s former CEO criticized the “Parental Rights in Education” law.
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More control for parents, less for unions and wackos that wanna teach gender dysphoria to 3rd graders?

OH THE HUGE MANTATEES!!!

OUTRAGEOUS!
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More DNC outrage because they can't groom kids.
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“The state telling you what you can and cannot learn, that is inconsistent with democracy,” Mulvey said. “It silences debate, stifles ideas and limits the autonomy of educational institutions

That Mulvey character ain't happy. WTF! No Cultural Bolshevism grooming to silence debate and stifles ideas? NO Critical Race Theory, Gender Studies, or Intersectionality? That SUCKS MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!Sad Boo hoo!

She doesn't like the state regime in power telling them pedagogues what they can teach. But I'm sure her skool takes in gobs of tax money. 💰
So here's the deal biatch...if you take the stolen loot, you have live by the rules set by the regime in power, which just happens to be a regime right now, a majority of which you don't like and they don't like you either.

Maybe she should just start her own pedagogical institution and advertise to potential customers that they teach all things woke.
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It’s funny to hear a bureaucrat whine about “the state” when parents/taxpayers are being targeting by the state.

#checkyourunionprivilidge
rfenst Offline
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Love not seeing the blocked posts of three angry people in a row, two of whom I think need to have their medication adjusted heavily before being allowed to meaningfully participate in a discussion of opposing views.
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rfenst wrote:
Love not seeing the blocked posts of three angry people in a row, two of whom I think need to have their medication adjusted heavily before being allowed to meaningfully participate in a discussion of opposing views.


You block people who don’t agree with you and then want meaningful discussion?

You really need to move to California. There you will find one party rule to your liking. Pretty much everything on this list of proposed laws already has the opposite in place in California. There are no parental rights. Children belong to the school district. Misuse of pronouns is a misdemeanor. Transgender education is required to progress from 3rd to the 4th grade.
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I think blocking people is a side effect of his medications.
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HockeyDad wrote:
You block people who don’t agree with you and then want meaningful discussion?

You really need to move to California. There you will find one party rule to your liking. Pretty much everything on this list of proposed laws already has the opposite in place in California. There are no parental rights. Children belong to the school district. Misuse of pronouns is a misdemeanor. Transgender education is required to progress from 3rd to the 4th grade.

No. I block people who (unlike you) can't comprehend that others are allowed to legitimately have different views, who do not address my posts directly, but who keep shouting the same mantra all the time, and who are also just plain immature, rude or incomprehensible.

Discussion and debate should (ideally) be civil, without hostility, threats and dumb F suggestions. I know there are "sharp elbows" in the Politics Section, but personal attacks/ad hominem abusives are not part of my mindset. I am a Floridian through and through. I just don't approve of what the current regime has up its sleeves. That's my prerogative as it is everyone else's at all times.

Eventually the pendulum will swing back towards the center, but I still won't attack those who disagree with me, just their ideas.
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The pendulum is a right wing extremist these days buddy.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
The pendulum is a right wing extremist these days buddy.


Ya, I heard there are "semi-fascist" MAGA people in Florida too and they are multiplying like wabbits...

That's much to the dismay of the FULL fascist progressives who say the regime owns the children and should groom them in all sorts of cultural Marxist stuff like Critical Race Theory, Transexual Gender Studies, and NEWSPEAK-like stuff like the proper use of gender identity terms, including pronouns, and without those pesky parents knowing about it and complaining.

I don't believe in blocking speech and ideas that are uncomfortable like Robert does, even those silly LEFTY op-eds he thinks are so visionary. You can criticize and make fun of them, but he'll just block you without discussion and debate on the premise that you are just "plain immature, rude, or incomprehensible."


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WAPO... worthless to read. All they do is push an agenda.

Someone needs to stand up to this ideology. I'm glad DeSantis chooses to do it.

Gender studies is already in schools. It's called BIOLOGY.
One can no more choose their pronouns than they can choose their gender.
Tenure has eroded our education system. It needs to be eroded itself.

Those first two comments^^... THAT is science.
RayR Online
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MACS wrote:
WAPO... worthless to read. All they do is push an agenda.

Someone needs to stand up to this ideology. I'm glad DeSantis chooses to do it.

Gender studies is already in schools. It's called BIOLOGY.
One can no more choose their pronouns than they can choose their gender.
Tenure has eroded our education system. It needs to be eroded itself.

Those first two comments^^... THAT is science.


BIOLOGY classes in schools traditionally teach that there are only 2 genders and that's the problem for the LEFT-O- CENTER revolutionaries. You can't remold the world nearer to the heart's desire without first doing away with old-fashioned science like that.

Well...I'm just one of the blocked "angry people", so what do I know?
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That DeSantis and his sinister scheme to ban gender studies, limit the use of transsexual pronouns, ban the grooming of children, and burn books, has emboldened the New College of Florida Board of Trustees to abolish its Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion ministry, ban the programming of mushheads through cultural Marxist propaganda, and prohibit discrimination in hiring, admissions, through identity-based inclinations. He even proposed returning to a curriculum based on the classical education model! MY LORD! GOD HELP US! This is like a virus that could spread to even bigger institutions and end up killing Progressivism's progress in its tracks! Scared

New College of Florida makes a stunning move…

https://www.revolver.news/2023/03/new-college-florida-stunner-first-to-abolish-dei-ban-diversity-prohibit-affirmative-action/
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rfenst wrote:
No. I block people who (unlike you) can't comprehend that others are allowed to legitimately have different views, who do not address my posts directly, but who keep shouting the same mantra all the time, and who are also just plain immature, rude or incomprehensible.

Discussion and debate should (ideally) be civil, without hostility, threats and dumb F suggestions. I know there are "sharp elbows" in the Politics Section, but personal attacks/ad hominem abusives are not part of my mindset. I am a Floridian through and through. I just don't approve of what the current regime has up its sleeves. That's my prerogative as it is everyone else's at all times.

Eventually the pendulum will swing back towards the center, but I still won't attack those who disagree with me, just their ideas.



Wow - I cannot imagine how quiet it is for you without the far right echo chamber running.

I could try to keep you posted on the drama if you like.

Right now the ankle biter going all in on cray cray - yes with emojis.
The doctor will be along presented to agree with him - they have a growling bromance you know.
and so on....
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Brew, he blocked me too….don’t leave me outta the play by play.

I can try to be loud and obnoxious if it helps rating, help me to help you.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Brew, he blocked me too….don’t leave me outta the play by play.

I can try to be loud and obnoxious if it helps rating, help me to help you.

Blocked you Z?
That doesn't seem right. You barely make snide comments....

Did he block MACS too?
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DeSantis conceals his travel records from public scrutiny



Orlando Sentinel

TALLAHASSEE — With a stroke of a pen, Gov. Ron DeSantis concealed his travel records – past, present and future – from public scrutiny at the same time he’s made frequent trips outside the state as a prelude to a possible presidential campaign kick-off.

It was difficult to trace the governor’s travel before he signed the bill into law Thursday night, which went into effect immediately. Hundreds of requests for the records going back more than a year are still in the pipeline.

Now it will be even harder, First Amendment advocates said.

“The retroactivity makes it such that we’re not going to get anything related to his travel,” said Michael Barfield, director of public access for the Florida Center for Government Accountability.


The bill, approved along party lines in both chambers, exempts travel records maintained by law enforcement agencies for the governor, his immediate family, the lieutenant governor, Cabinet members, legislative leaders and other dignitaries.

It also shields the names of guests to the governor’s mansion on non-government business.

While the bill applies to pending requests, a spokeswoman with the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, which maintains those records, said they will not be expunged.

“We’re still going to process requests like we always have,” Florida Department of Law Enforcement spokeswoman Gretl Plessinger said, denying that any pending requests are going to automatically be denied. “If there’s an exemption, we’ll apply it.”

When a record comes up, the FDLE’s public records officers pull it and review it to see if anything needs redaction. Each report is reviewed in the order received, Plessinger said.

“Once a request is received it can take a few months to review because of the volume of requests,” she said.

FDLE has over 700 requests on the backlog, some asking for investigations, member emails, as well as travel records, she said.

Reporters and the public will still be able to get the cost of security and travel, but not details such as which hotels they stay in because they frequently return to the same hotels, she said.

The annual reports summarizing the cost of travel and security for the governor, his family and other state officials and dignitaries will continue to be published, she said.

Republicans, who hold a supermajority in both chambers, said the law was needed to ensure the safety and security of the governor and other officials, as well as the officers who protect them when they travel. The exemption would prevent people from mapping out their future movements as well.

During an appearance last week in Titusville, DeSantis said the proposal was not his idea.

“With the security situation, how you do patterns of movements, if you’re somebody that is targeted, which unfortunately I am, and I get a lot of threats, that could be something that could be helpful for people that may not want to do good things,” DeSantis said.

Democrats and First Amendment advocates have objected that the exemption would go beyond travel itineraries and also prevent the release of information about where the governor went and who attended meetings and events.

Even when he is traveling on campaign business, the FDLE must still provide security at taxpayer expense. Use of the state jet is allowed as long as his campaign reimburses the state.

Records show he is a frequent flyer, logging in 139 days of flying time in a recent 12-month span. Several times a week, DeSantis travels around the state signing bills at campaign-style events and frequently travels out of state for book signings and political events in other states.

Friday, for example, DeSantis flew to Fort Myers to sign two bills before traveling to Peoria, Ill., to attend a Lincoln Day dinner sponsored by state Republicans.

An Orlando Sentinel examination of state records last year showed that DeSantis recruited a group of wealthy hoteliers, developers, restaurateurs, investment brokers, trucking magnates, health executives, gas station and convenience store owners, and oil distributors to foot his travel bill. Some of them benefited from appointments to state boards and laws enacted by DeSantis.

Not only did wealthy people donate tens of millions of dollars in cash to the governor, they made more than $500,000 worth of in-kind contributions to cover his transportation costs, the investigation found.

Going forward will be even tougher to tell if DeSantis is using the state plane for government business or if those trips overlap with campaign events, Barfield said. “People won’t bother to file because the governor has stopped these requests just by the inordinate delays.”


It was already difficult to get records when they were not exempt. The Florida Center for Government Accountability successfully sued DeSantis’ office to produce records related to the controversial relocation of 48 migrants from Texas to Martha’s Vineyard last fall.

The state paid at least $1.5 million to defend itself, records show, which is the same amount Panhandle contractor Vertol Systems was paid to arrange and conduct the flights.

Seven months after a Florida judge against the governor’s office, they still haven’t provided all the records requested, Barfield said. “That’s what you have to do to get records in this state.”


News Service of Florida contributed to this report.


I predict this law will be struck down by Florida courts as it is inconsistent with FOA, First Amendment and Florida's Open Sunshine Law.
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Good thing we allow you to participate in the meaningful exchange of ideas in the discussion of opposing views.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Good thing we allow you to participate in the meaningful exchange of ideas in the discussion of opposing views.

There will be nomeaningful exchange between you and I unless you actuall write/express your own opinion instead of taking one-sentence pot-shots.
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Ball busting……I did it twice because you have a pair!
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