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Speyside Offline
#1 Posted: Thu, May 11 2017, 9:45 AM EST
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Political correctness run amuck. What is offensive about a statue of Jefferson Davis, or general Lee? They are historic figures.


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DrafterX Offline
#2 Posted: Thu, May 11 2017, 9:57 AM EST
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Thanks Obama..!! Mad
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#3 Posted: Thu, May 11 2017, 9:58 AM EST
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Think


I bet Obama statues go up in their places.... Mellow
ZRX1200 Offline
#4 Posted: Thu, May 11 2017, 10:01 AM EST
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Idiots willingly forget history
DrafterX Offline
#5 Posted: Thu, May 11 2017, 10:08 AM EST
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and re-write it... Mellow
gummy jones Offline
#6 Posted: Thu, May 11 2017, 10:09 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Think


I bet Obama statues go up in their places.... Mellow


if they replace it with a statue of elizabeth warren will they sculpt her in a ceremonial head dress per her heritage?
TMCTLT Offline
#7 Posted: Thu, May 11 2017, 10:26 AM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Idiots willingly forget history




ARE BOUND TO REPEAT IT.....d'oh!
Gene363 Offline
#8 Posted: Thu, May 11 2017, 10:43 AM EST
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Yeah, except the first one they took down, it was dedicated to a post Civil war group that opposed a reconstruction government.

Quote:
The monument New Orleans took down Monday marks a battle that occurred several years after the Civil War’s end in which white paramilitaries battled a mixed-race police force, causing deaths on both sides. A plaque removed from the monument in 1989 once hailed “white supremacy in the South,” according to the Times-Picayune.
Stinkdyr Offline
#9 Posted: Thu, May 11 2017, 11:08 AM EST
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I don't understand why taxpayer $ was spent to rebuild N.O. when global warming says it is going to end up under water anyway.

Think
dstieger Offline
#10 Posted: Thu, May 11 2017, 11:12 AM EST
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If this thread doesn't get Jet back, he's prolly gone for good :(
Speyside Offline
#11 Posted: Thu, May 11 2017, 12:13 PM EST
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Gene, I did not mention the first 1, I can see justification to remove that 1, but what about the others.
tonygraz Offline
#12 Posted: Thu, May 11 2017, 3:23 PM EST
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Perhaps a museum is a better place for them.
DrafterX Offline
#13 Posted: Thu, May 11 2017, 3:26 PM EST
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I bet that's just temporary... someone's gonna complain about them until they melt them down and make an Obama... Mellow
Speyside Offline
#14 Posted: Thu, May 11 2017, 8:45 PM EST
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Tony, I follow your point, but removing a statue of general Lee seems like PC run amuck to me. This has not yet happened, but is supposed to. He is a historical figure who is beloved in the south. This is like taking down the Washington monument, since he was a slave owner.
Abrignac Offline
#15 Posted: Thu, May 11 2017, 9:16 PM EST
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The mayor, Mitch Landrieu, is eyeing a Presidential bid in 2020. No doubt we will be reminded as nauseam about him leading the charge. At the end of the day, it's another example of sticking one's finger in the air to determine which way the political winds are blowing. He's not running for mayor again since he's term limited. He has nothing to lose and can now hail himself as a leader against the oppressors.

Ther are many, many pro-slavery monuments in Washington, DC. All one has to do I'd look at each end of the national mall, or for that matter check the history on sigenors of the Declaration of Independence. Perhaps we should put that in a drawer tucked away in the basement of a museum as well, Tony?
Speyside Offline
#16 Posted: Thu, May 11 2017, 10:07 PM EST
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^ Thanks for the insight, I wondered where this was coming from and could not find out why.
tonygraz Offline
#17 Posted: Fri, May 12 2017, 8:21 AM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
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Ther are many, many pro-slavery monuments in Washington, DC. All one has to do I'd look at each end of the national mall, or for that matter check the history on sigenors of the Declaration of Independence. Perhaps we should put that in a drawer tucked away in the basement of a museum as well, Tony?


Why not ! I always wondered why statues were erected to the leaders that lost a civil war in the 1800's and Vietnam only got a wall.
Gene363 Offline
#18 Posted: Fri, May 12 2017, 8:31 AM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
The mayor, Mitch Landrieu, is eyeing a Presidential bid in 2020. No doubt we will be reminded as nauseam about him leading the charge. At the end of the day, it's another example of sticking one's finger in the air to determine which way the political winds are blowing. He's not running for mayor again since he's term limited. He has nothing to lose and can now hail himself as a leader against the oppressors.

Ther are many, many pro-slavery monuments in Washington, DC. All one has to do I'd look at each end of the national mall, or for that matter check the history on sigenors of the Declaration of Independence. Perhaps we should put that in a drawer tucked away in the basement of a museum as well, Tony?


The IRS building for example.
Mr. Jones Offline
#19 Posted: Fri, May 12 2017, 8:31 AM EST
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They're moving all of them...

To GEORGIA....

Re-erecting them right beside
The ILLUMINATI GEORGIA GUIDESTONES
Gene363 Offline
#20 Posted: Fri, May 12 2017, 8:34 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Gene, I did not mention the first 1, I can see justification to remove that 1, but what about the others.


Leave them there, history happened, good and bad.

If they really wanted to get rid of slavery and it's contemporary problems they would demolish all government housing projects. fog
Gene363 Offline
#21 Posted: Fri, May 12 2017, 8:37 AM EST
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Mr. Jones wrote:
They're moving all of them...

To GEORGIA....

Re-erecting them right beside
The ILLUMINATI GEORGIA GUIDESTONES


Elbert County prolly would not agree to that.

The Georgia Guide Stones is an interesting site, ever visited there?
Mr. Jones Offline
#22 Posted: Fri, May 12 2017, 8:47 PM EST
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#21 gene

No, I have not...

Since they were erected.

I have been to Georgia...
Many many times in the 1980's...
But that was another life and different times...

No Guidestones back then, to my knowledge.
tonygraz Offline
#23 Posted: Fri, May 12 2017, 10:50 PM EST
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Now if they had a statue of Sherman along with those rebs, I guess it would be ok.
DrafterX Offline
#24 Posted: Fri, May 12 2017, 11:23 PM EST
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That would be gay


Mellow
bassman45 Offline
#25 Posted: Sat, May 13 2017, 6:24 AM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
The IRS building for example.

Applause Applause lol
TMCTLT Offline
#26 Posted: Sat, May 13 2017, 7:24 AM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
Now if they had a statue of Sherman along with those rebs, I guess it would be ok.




No that'll never happen, but an Obummer with BLM rioters statue is very possible. Whistle
tonygraz Offline
#27 Posted: Sat, May 13 2017, 8:00 AM EST
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Hey trolly - better - a statue of you kissing trumps azz.
TMCTLT Offline
#28 Posted: Sat, May 13 2017, 8:02 AM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
Hey trolly - better - a statue of you kissing trumps azz.




Or even better Mr. Original....YOU kissing


































MINE fog
tonygraz Offline
#29 Posted: Sat, May 13 2017, 8:22 AM EST
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Did I see you peeking out of the closet again, trolley ?
Mr. Jones Offline
#30 Posted: Sat, May 13 2017, 8:25 AM EST
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Back to the "GUIDESTONES"...
tamapatom Offline
#31 Posted: Sat, May 13 2017, 9:41 AM EST
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There are Roman statues of hated despots that could have been destroyed for same reasons but it is amazing what a couple of thousand years does to transform them into revered art.
Brewha Offline
#32 Posted: Sat, May 13 2017, 10:47 AM EST
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To me this is really an issue if is it an appropriate symbol of Americans shown in a municipal setting. But people will look at the Civil War statues from to differ the perspectives;
"Our Fathers fought and died for what they believed."
Or
"Those loosers killed to protect slavery"

Even today we have people that would put a statue of Wallance blocking a college door in their state capital because "it's our history".

Myself;I stay put the Confederate loosers in a museum. They don't represent my vision of America.
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#33 Posted: Sat, May 13 2017, 10:53 AM EST
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Brewha..!! Laugh
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#34 Posted: Sat, May 13 2017, 11:12 AM EST
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I think the NEW motto of BUSYBODY

"SNOWFLAKES"

Is...
( quote)

"If I don't approve of what I see...

It must go away at all costs,
& if GEORGE SOROS WILL PAY ME CASH...
in stuffed No. 10 business envelopes, in a back alley out of a Bagman's white jobber windowless van with a Metal cage divider behind the front seats....
Then I must protest it and traverse the country
Stirring SHIIT....as a professional DOUCHEBAGG"
( unquote)
tamapatom Offline
#35 Posted: Sat, May 13 2017, 11:26 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
To me this is really an issue if is it an appropriate symbol of Americans shown in a municipal setting. But people will look at the Civil War statues from to differ the perspectives;
"Our Fathers fought and died for what they believed."
Or
"Those loosers killed to protect slavery"

Even today we have people that would put a statue of Wallance blocking a college door in their state capital because "it's our history".

Myself;I stay put the Confederate loosers in a museum. They don't represent my vision of America.


The Indians were losers too and they did their share of violence........but I think statues of their warrior chiefs are OK. Many are on public land. If my peaceful farming ancestors were massacred by a scalping party, I'm not sure it would be part of my "vision" to celebrate.

I don't have a problem removing Lee from a public space................I just hope they don't destroy the statue or relegate it to a junkyard. Many statues were destroyed in Russia and other places. ISIS is destroying historical relics because these artifacts "don't reflect their vision" just like Lee does not reflect your vision of America. Is that OK?
Gene363 Offline
#36 Posted: Sat, May 13 2017, 12:46 PM EST
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tamapatom wrote:
The Indians were losers too and they did their share of violence........but I think statues of their warrior chiefs are OK. Many are on public land. If my peaceful farming ancestors were massacred by a scalping party, I'm not sure it would be part of my "vision" to celebrate.

I don't have a problem removing Lee from a public space................I just hope they don't destroy the statue or relegate it to a junkyard. Many statues were destroyed in Russia and other places. ISIS is destroying historical relics because these artifacts "don't reflect their vision" just like Lee does not reflect your vision of America. Is that OK?


+1
Speyside Offline
#37 Posted: Sat, May 13 2017, 12:49 PM EST
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Brewha Offline
#38 Posted: Sat, May 13 2017, 1:39 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Brewha..!! Laugh

Drafter! Woot
Brewha Offline
#39 Posted: Sat, May 13 2017, 1:47 PM EST
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tamapatom wrote:
The Indians were losers too and they did their share of violence........but I think statues of their warrior chiefs are OK. Many are on public land. If my peaceful farming ancestors were massacred by a scalping party, I'm not sure it would be part of my "vision" to celebrate.

I don't have a problem removing Lee from a public space................I just hope they don't destroy the statue or relegate it to a junkyard. Many statues were destroyed in Russia and other places. ISIS is destroying historical relics because these artifacts "don't reflect their vision" just like Lee does not reflect your vision of America. Is that OK?

The American Indians? Really?
We practically committed genocide upon them and pooched them is evey other way. I'm good with honoring the original Americans.

And I'm talking about what should be in a museum as opposed to what we should have in the town square as a symbol of who we are and what we honor. So, no - don't destroy the monuments - move them.
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#40 Posted: Sat, May 13 2017, 2:07 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
The American Indians? Really?
We practically committed genocide upon them and pooched them is evey other way. I'm good with honoring the original Americans.


Happened all over the world. Rival tribes raiding each other, and fighting over land and resources. Happened here, in Africa, in Asia, in Europe... once again, just Americans obsess over it. Everyone else chalks it up to history... because it is.

There are winners and losers.

Edit: http://www.ozzyman.com/1the-creator-of-history-of-japan-has-just-released-his-epic-sequel-and-its-amazing/

Scroll down a little ways and watch the video. Simplistic, but historically accurate and shows how every-f***ing-body was conquering everything. And oncce again... only some Americans feel guilty about it. I'm not one of them.
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#41 Posted: Sat, May 13 2017, 3:35 PM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
Why not ! I always wondered why statues were erected to the leaders that lost a civil war in the 1800's and Vietnam only got a wall.


No one would expect you to understand. You have to be smarter than a 3rd grader.
Speyside Offline
#42 Posted: Sat, May 13 2017, 3:52 PM EST
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Go sit by the wall for an hour and watch, maybe then you will understand.
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#43 Posted: Sat, May 13 2017, 3:59 PM EST
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I think the South should keep all their Confederate stuff. Reminds them they were defeated and keeps em from getting uppity again.
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#44 Posted: Sat, May 13 2017, 6:27 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
No one would expect you to understand. You have to be smarter than a 3rd grader that rides the short bus.


I fixed it for you. Some third grades were pretty upset with the original comparison. Beer
Gene363 Offline
#45 Posted: Sat, May 13 2017, 6:28 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Go sit by the wall for an hour and watch, maybe then you will understand.


True, just be sure to bring some tissues. Sad
Gene363 Offline
#46 Posted: Sat, May 13 2017, 6:35 PM EST
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JadeRose wrote:
I think the South should keep all their Confederate stuff. Reminds them they were defeated and keeps em from getting uppity again.


Here we have an example of picking a scab with style and guile.

At lest the South sings the National Anthem at event opening and celebrate The of July 4th. They also celebrate Flag Day instead of being triggered by displays of the The Stars and Stripes.
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#47 Posted: Sat, May 13 2017, 7:07 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
No one would expect you to understand. You have to be smarter than a 3rd grader.


Of course I am.
Abrignac Offline
#48 Posted: Sat, May 13 2017, 7:17 PM EST
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JadeRose wrote:
I think the South should keep all their Confederate stuff. Reminds them they were defeated and keeps em from getting uppity again.



That really has very little to do with anything. Kinda reminds me of when the Taliban where blowing up 1000 year Buddhist statues. Or when everyone got butt hurt when people where burning the Korans.


It's nothing but a ploy for an outgoing mayor of a bankrupt big city to catapult himself on the national stage.
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#49 Posted: Sat, May 13 2017, 8:49 PM EST
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Gene, sitting at the wall and watching the emotional reactions was a profound experience for me. And yes, it was a tear jerker. Then I moved up close , spoke with people and listened to their stories. That was even more emotional and profound.
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#50 Posted: Sat, May 13 2017, 11:11 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Gene, sitting at the wall and watching the emotional reactions was a profound experience for me. And yes, it was a tear jerker. Then I moved up close , spoke with people and listened to their stories. That was even more emotional and profound.


Yes, the Wall makes an impression. My wife and I visited DC several years ago. We visited a Smithsonian exhibit depicting an interment camp where the Japanese were kept during, WWII and an exhibit of objects that have been left at the Vietnam War Memorial Wall. After that we walked to the Wall itself. We could see a long black wall as we approached, once we got there the names were printed so mall and there were sooo many of them. It made quite an impression to say the least.

I think everyone should see the Wall.
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